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Karl
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 Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:27:28
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| Karamba, please don't get me wrong. The nearest meaning to the word president in our traditional languages is what i mean. Before the modern form of Governance and the term president, our ancestor use these words "burr or mansa" to described their leaders, elected or selected. These words "presidan or presidanno" as wollof and Mandinka may pronounce it respectively, are framed from English. True or false? I am not saying, the use of the words give Yaya or any so called elected president any tittle to stick to the seat for good. no! no! no Karamba dont interprete it that way. But could you kindly tell us the exect meaning of the word president in Wollof, Mandinka or in any of our local languages. I am not objecting to your point, it's true the context of these words has no place in our modern constitution. My refferance to terms in my previous posting was just for translation purpose from historical meanings. That all. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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bread man
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:29:11
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Good point Karl, you got me and I hope bro Karamba gets me too.
"A DRIVER is not a PILOT. Yet they both serve the same purpose of moving passengers from A-B". That was a good point Karamba, the best i have seen for a long time. Yes I agree that Buur is king in english, but how do you call president in wollof was my question. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
Edited by - bread man on 20 May 2007 14:31:59 |
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bread man
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:29:11
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Good point Karl, you got me and I hope bro Karamba gets me too.
"A DRIVER is not a PILOT. Yet they both serve the same purpose of moving passengers from A-B". That was a good point Karamba, the best i have seen for a long time. Yes I agree that Buur is king in english, but how do you call president in wollof was my question. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
Edited by - bread man on 20 May 2007 14:31:59 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:33:03
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Originally posted by bread man
Good point Karl, you got me and I hope bro Karamba gets me too.
"A DRIVER is not a PILOT. Yet they both serve the same purpose of moving passengers from A-B". That was a good point Karamba, the best i have seen for a long time. Yes I agree that Buur is king in english, but how do you call president in wollof was my question.
president .since wolof have no equivant for president. or we can think of one  |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:33:03
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quote:
Originally posted by bread man
Good point Karl, you got me and I hope bro Karamba gets me too.
"A DRIVER is not a PILOT. Yet they both serve the same purpose of moving passengers from A-B". That was a good point Karamba, the best i have seen for a long time. Yes I agree that Buur is king in english, but how do you call president in wollof was my question.
president .since wolof have no equivant for president. or we can think of one |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:35:19
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| What happened to the word Buur bro Santangfara, not good enough?? |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:35:19
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| What happened to the word Buur bro Santangfara, not good enough?? |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:51:01
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quote:
Originally posted by bread man
What happened to the word Buur bro Santangfara, not good enough??
well since we are struggling to find an appropriate term for president ,lets borrow from the anglo-saxon for the mean time ,i hope they don't mind i am what the mandinkas will call banan ( not real ) i mean it in the context of my fanafana origin .i am a fanafana who speak little fanafana saw my wolof brothers should try a bit hard to coin words .in mandinka one can say bankuteo ,nyatotonko ,nnabankukantatala . bankutoe may mean ruler of the nation ,nyatotonko may mean our leader and nnabankukantala may mean the protector of the nation .so a little bit of alternative . may be alhasan and some others can find alternative wolof words for president. let always remember our languages it is important. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:51:01
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quote:
Originally posted by bread man
What happened to the word Buur bro Santangfara, not good enough??
well since we are struggling to find an appropriate term for president ,lets borrow from the anglo-saxon for the mean time ,i hope they don't mind i am what the mandinkas will call banan ( not real ) i mean it in the context of my fanafana origin .i am a fanafana who speak little fanafana saw my wolof brothers should try a bit hard to coin words .in mandinka one can say bankuteo ,nyatotonko ,nnabankukantatala . bankutoe may mean ruler of the nation ,nyatotonko may mean our leader and nnabankukantala may mean the protector of the nation .so a little bit of alternative . may be alhasan and some others can find alternative wolof words for president. let always remember our languages it is important. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:55:13
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bread man , i got a dutch /english dictitionary i find it to may be use the dutch word for president ,you never know it may similar pronounce to wolof .
what do the dutch call a president ? or the Swedish ? one of them may be similar to wolof . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 14:55:13
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bread man , i got a dutch /english dictitionary i find it to may be use the dutch word for president ,you never know it may similar pronounce to wolof .
what do the dutch call a president ? or the Swedish ? one of them may be similar to wolof . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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bread man
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 15:09:36
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| Well, itīs not anything like wollof in both Dutch and Swedish. I can guarantee you that much. How about (Borrom Deika)or (Njeeti Rewmi)? |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 15:09:36
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| Well, itīs not anything like wollof in both Dutch and Swedish. I can guarantee you that much. How about (Borrom Deika)or (Njeeti Rewmi)? |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Karl
136 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 17:36:33
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Good effort Santanfara & Breadman. Others contributors might be keen to join in as well.
In a nutshell, comparing the two answers given by both of you ie BANKO NYANTONKO in mandinka and NJEETI REWMI in Wollof could be use to describe the meaning "president. However, despite standing for the same purpose, in the true sense of their translation, they may mean "Head of State". I am not saying there is a difference between president and head of state, because these two stroll together in many Countries including The Gambian. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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Karl
136 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2007 : 17:36:33
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Good effort Santanfara & Breadman. Others contributors might be keen to join in as well.
In a nutshell, comparing the two answers given by both of you ie BANKO NYANTONKO in mandinka and NJEETI REWMI in Wollof could be use to describe the meaning "president. However, despite standing for the same purpose, in the true sense of their translation, they may mean "Head of State". I am not saying there is a difference between president and head of state, because these two stroll together in many Countries including The Gambian. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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