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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
 Posted - 07 May 2007 : 03:20:20
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Brothers Madis and Santanfara,
Thank you for your very good advice. This move is only a pulse feeler. It was calculated to stimulate the passive sentiments of those die hard blind supporters. I am aware that we are not yet at that stage but simply chose to send a reminder to all those who feel offended by this posting to mark that the day they all despise is a day coming along. Just in case some of them want to offer their service to defend the King Doctor or Doctor of Kings, they need not get nervous but take strength from this. It is a bitter dose injected to agitate the antibodies in preparation for the inevitable occasion. By this slot, it is easy to know where the guilty rats are hibernating in the bunkers. I have no doubt the trap already caught some living things within short time. For now, I stand by your advice. We can surely move our debates without the mention of names even those of the worst criminals prevailing over innocent Gambians. Lot of thanks. |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2007 : 03:51:15
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I am in complete agreement with Madiba. In fact I have always maintained that Jammeh is just as powerful as the people working for him. The brutality of his regime is not an all out command given by him on a daily basis.
The blame cannot be squarely put on one person. Please do not mistake my statements with an endorsement of Jammeh's misjudgements and ignorant behaviors. The reality is that he cannot be at the state house and at the same time shot at unarm students peacefully demonstrating against injustices. There are *****s or should I say babaric cowards who carry all the brutality in darkness in the name of protecting the regime.
These people who commit their crimes cannot compete on a level playing field. Therefore, they are willing to commit all crimes that they do not deserve.
If the army commander says no to brutality, the police commander says not in my watch, the secretary of state holds their ground to protect the interest of the country Jammeh will back down. So the blame while it stops with Jammeh, he is being used by the likes of Baba Jobe, and others. Jammeh himself is ignorant that is why he is allowing such bandids to use his platform.
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Karl
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Posted - 08 May 2007 : 09:20:48
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| Come on breadman, no matter how much you enjoying this bread of yours, there is suffering,injustice and abuse of power under a system of administration for so called national development chaotically handle by these selfish people. The fact of the matter is, "history always repeate itself" Lets take a good look around, the situation in The Gambia is not an isolated one, similar cases seen elsewhere under power hungry dictators. But one thing is acertain the end is always thesame or quite similar, Mabutu, Sadam, Charles Taylor and before him Samual Doe, Edi Amin, and many many others all over the world ( Afirca, Middle East, South America, Asia) Their countries end up in chaos. This is why sincere Gambians and friends of The Gambia are putting their efforts together to avoid by any means necessary to speak out against the present government inorder to see more positive changes for the future. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2007 : 19:52:47
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Bread man you have the right to be afilliated to any political party you choose. These rants from Karamba are quite tiresome and boring. Karamba is acting out a fantasy with his over extended ego professig that he has the power to put Jammeh behind bars, as he posts comfortably from the UK. If this champion anti-Jammehite had any balls at all he would go to State House himself and lay these accusations at Jammeh's door but alias his banta is like an empty barrel making lots of noise because it is full of nothing just empty air!
peace
Sister Omega
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
KARAMBA GET OVER IT! JAMMEH SEIZED POWER BY COUP THEN GOT ELECTED BACK INTO POWER 3 TIMES! NOW WHAT IS IT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND???????
You profess to know about Gambian Politics but since you've been posting your stale postings here with nothing but negative statements about Gambia. You seem to be out of touch or you are trying whip up instability in Gambia through posting so much B.S all the time!!!
Sister Omega
QUOTES OF THE DAY FROM SISITER OMEGA:
"Bread man you have the right to be afilliated to any political party you choose. These rants from Karamba are quite tiresome and boring. ........ but alias his banta is like an empty barrel making lots of noise because it is full of nothing just empty air!
IN A DEMOCRACY AND OPEN DEBATE OF POLITICS DO YOU EXPECT EVERYBODY TO SPEAK THE SAME LANQUAGE AND BE ON THE SAME PLATFORM TOGETHER? There are bound to differences of opinions and DIVERSE VIEWS am afraid Sister? DON'T SHOW SIGNS OF WEAKNESSES AND NERVOUSENESS? Just stay calm and share your opinions. Lots of RESPECT TO U but don't be BIASED BY FAVOURING WITH JAMMEH ALL THE TIME. Its GAMBIAN NATIONAL ISSUES AT STAKE AND THE STEWARDSHIP? It's really hot at BANTABA on THE CURRENT POLITICS TOPICS. ALL ALIAS BANTAS are GAMBIANS and follow the POLITICAL TRENDS.
On the second QUOTE, REFERE BELOW:
"JAMMEH SEIZED POWER BY COUP THEN GOT ELECTED BACK INTO POWER 3 TIMES! NOW WHAT IS IT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND???????"
WHERE ARE THE BRAVE SOLDIERS AND PATRIOTS? Is JAMMEH THE ONLY PATRIOT WHO SHOULD LED A COUP AND CONSIDERED HIS LEGAL RIGHTS TO BE THERE? IS THE ARMY SERVING THE COMMANDER IN-CHIEF or THE STATE? Sister these are difficult and legal questions any INTELLIGENT PERSON OR REASONABLE APPRECIATES when there are POLITICAL MESS for e.g towards the demise of Jawara days there were genral discontent and lost of confidence on his leadership as HEAD OF SATE. Isn't it?
FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
Integrated topic Rt. Lt. Col. Samsudeen M.Sarr On Sana Sabally
under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=3617#25970 |
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bread man
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Posted - 08 May 2007 : 22:22:58
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| Karl, as i have always said "I do not enjoy any special favours from Jammeh or his regime". However as a citizen of the Gambia seeing today what I should have seen 30 years ago, I am convince Jammeh has done and is doing more than the comparison, (Jawara) and thats what I am enjoying |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2007 : 23:23:10
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Jammeh has succeeded in DECEIVING some good people in society with this claim of bringing DEVELOPMENT in Gambia. For the sake sane thinking, this FAKED display of white elephant structures is NO DEVELOPMENT. The APRC regime is very brutal and corrupt. There is no good to use comparable adjectives between Jammeh, Jawara, Abacha, Mobutu or anyone for that matter. We are now concentrating on the BRUTAL and CORRUPT reality of Jammeh and the APRC. We don't need comparisons to justify brutality, terror, or corruption. Can any sane person in Gambia or outside Gambia stand by the claim that Jammeh's faked development is justification for all the brutality, and terror Gambians continue to suffer. Kobo. You have a point to capture here. We are not comparing. We are rightly pegging on a situation of massive destruction. |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 00:01:36
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Thanks karamba,
Development has to be sustainable if not recalcitrant minds dont called that development.We dont need another loan to repair our infrastructure( if there is any). |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 03:44:41
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Interesting debate, anyway, as I use to say we have to be objective and analyse things fairly without been bias. Jammeh's government have acheived so many developments since he came to power such as UEP, GRTS, advance Telecommunications (compare to neighbours), built Health care centres, built schools, Traffic Lights, Airport terminal building, Arch 22, Banjul modernized, Jammeh Foundation providing tuition assistances to the needies,Street light in Brikama and many parts in GB areas, Skilled centres opened, boreholes in many villages. However, there were weakness mainly in one area which is the judiciary system. The frequent arrest, hiring and firing, detentions, missing, harassments and torture are thing that needs adjustments.
Jammeh should be given credit for his efforts. He is kind hearted person, most of these problems, he is not aware of but being given the blame for nothing. If Jammeh is to go by what others were saying, ie (taking him to gallow) then by now all the coupe suspects will be six feet deep.
More of Jammeh's miracles are emerging, accordingly he just got some revelations, and he will talk about it sooner.
KARAMBA JAMMEH CAME TO POWER THROUGH COUPE AND THEN BEEN RE-ELECTED 3 TIMES JUSTIFY YOUR CLAIMS AS BASELESS. |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 03:50:32
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| I FORGOT ABOUT THE GREATEST ACHEIVEMENT WHICH IS THE BREAKTHROUGH OF CURING HIV, ASHMA AND DIABETIES. MANY MORE MEDICINES WILL BE DISCOVERED FOR CURING ANY DISEASE THAT AFFECT HUMAN BEING. |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 07:21:14
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Ebra,
You remind me of Sankofa, you guys are really funny.Anyway i like your stance. Very confident indeed.Lets just pray for the better.My worry is being a singapore of Africa without proper medical care( no drugs),with a salary that cannot even buy you a bag of rice,the military is free to do everything with regardless to law and order,no proper judiciary system,social norms degrading,education-the bedrock of sustainability is in disrepair,no proper checks and balances in the civil services,tribalism,authoritarianism by the so called democrat,no press freedom, gagging order to the citizenery,instill fear and hopeless in the military, segregation,no sustainability in the public services by hiring and firing at will, dissapearance of citizens without proper explaination,bro, if these are the sorts of developments you called development, i am not a party to that cause.We need to explain a lot to our kids not yet born. And finally i think its scary, a waiting time bomb. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 10:48:15
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Ebra & Co.
For just one moment, do you share the pain families have to live with since Koro Sisay was set on fire, more than a dozen young students masacred, Deyda Murdered, family members abducted, rampant arrests, FEAR induced, etc. etc. ???? Are you still HAPPY to call it DEVELOPMENT in the absence of PEACE for the majority? When citizens are butchered as the president chooses to quench his blood thirst, no amount of White Elephant structures is enough to compensate the human loss. Stop the chicken politics. Life is too precious to play with. Let Jammeh produce the bodies of slain citizens. If you credit him for what you call his DEVELOPMENT of structures in Gambia, you must gather enough courage to tag him with being responsible for loss of precious lives. Jammeh deserves a total sweep off if this is the type of development he calls it. When all the good citizens are killed, what do we do with the structures? Not one of is still able to provide a credible explanation about why many citizens get slain or disappear in Jammeh's regime. Forget about COMPARING Jammeh to Sekou Toure or Idi Amin, or Kabila. The question is about what we have in Gambia from 22 July 1994 until today 9 May 2007. Nothing about Jawara, Leopold Sedar Senghore, or Abdoulaye Wade. It is about Gambia 1994-2007 !!! |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 11:35:37
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Originally posted by Karamba
Ebra & Co.
For just one moment, do you share the pain families have to live with since Koro Sisay was set on fire, more than a dozen young students masacred, Deyda Murdered, family members abducted, rampant arrests, FEAR induced, etc. etc. ???? Are you still HAPPY to call it DEVELOPMENT in the absence of PEACE for the majority? When citizens are butchered as the president chooses to quench his blood thirst, no amount of White Elephant structures is enough to compensate the human loss. Stop the chicken politics. Life is too precious to play with. Let Jammeh produce the bodies of slain citizens. If you credit him for what you call his DEVELOPMENT of structures in Gambia, you must gather enough courage to tag him with being responsible for loss of precious lives. Jammeh deserves a total sweep off if this is the type of development he calls it. When all the good citizens are killed, what do we do with the structures? Not one of is still able to provide a credible explanation about why many citizens get slain or disappear in Jammeh's regime. Forget about COMPARING Jammeh to Sekou Toure or Idi Amin, or Kabila. The question is about what we have in Gambia from 22 July 1994 until today 9 May 2007. Nothing about Jawara, Leopold Sedar Senghore, or Abdoulaye Wade. It is about Gambia 1994-2007 !!!
NOTHING TO ADD KARAMBA .as for ebra ,just go for some well earned holiday then you will know what is happening in the dog house. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 09 May 2007 : 12:02:45
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Do you know that you cannot try Jammeh under the current Gambian constitution ? The coup makers of July 22 are covered by the indemnity clause of the consttitution . |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 12:28:16
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Karamba, you are right with big white elephant buildings without the equipments or resources to run them couple with starvation, disappearing and torturing are things that Jammeh government need to focus on and change the whole system.
DEVELOPMENT CANNOT TAKE PLACE WHEN THE CITIZENS ARE UNDER DURESS CONDITION, AND LIVING WITH UNCERTAINITY OF BEEN FIRED NEXT DAY WILL ONLY FUEL CORRUPTION. AS EVERYBODY WILL LIKE TO STEAL AS MANY AS POSSIBLE B4 BEEN FIRED. GAMBIANS WANT FREEDOM, JUSTICE, AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
WHAT IS JAMMEH'S NET MONTHLY INCOME? |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2007 : 13:39:06
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Ebra,
This is the utter beauty of a decent debate. You have proven that yours is not about serving a die hard supporter for vanity. The question you raised on Jammeh's net salary is quite relevant. If he is seen dishing out bunches of new Dollar notes, that is serious. After all Jammeh is not paid in Dollars. What is it that he wants to show? With that amoung of cheap money, Jammeh is capable of paying thugs and mercenaries to eliminate perceived enemies as he now does. That is why there is sense in questioning about his extra-financial involvements. Why will anyone think Jammeh is suitable to stay live president? Is there any provision for that in the Gambia's dodgy constitution? Thank you Ebra for bringing out this most important issue on Jammeh's extra-financial involvements.
About INDEMNITY of the coup makers and the APRC government. That is the prove that the regime and Jammeh for that matter preconceived the current crimes and bearing in mind the aftermath someone thought of building that fire wall calling it INDEMNITY. It is up to Gambians to allow criminals roam our streets when they get disarmed at end of day. |
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