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Originally posted by Janko

Thank you for the clarification.
Not to deviate from the topic, just curious.
Am sure you are aware of the symbolism of Sulu in mandingka.
Is there any difference between Mansa sulu and Sulu mansa?
What connotation do you give to your usage of Mansasulu?

Correct me if am wrong;
Samori was a Manding Manso that resisted colonial rule and reformed the traditional structure of governance by mandincanizing islam, he did not islamise Manding. Do you mean Gambia would be better off if she gambianises Islam or you mean she is better off being islamised?

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janko ,you are asking mansasulu personally so i will not answer for him .but as a touray i will only highlight that Almamy Samouri was a great resistance fighter. he did not only mandicanise islam he also played a big role is making the animist manding people aware of islam .we the touray's ans ceesay's have a long connection . almamy samouri was taught by the ceesay kunda but later took it upon himself to challenge the french dominance and the traditional idol worship in his region .there is well documented book writen about his role is spreading islam in genuea and those area's. a book written by a british professor of the person of harold thomas . i don't aggree with some of his method's though but overall he is ok. the ceesay kunda later left it upon us tourays to spear head islam the camara were also warrior fighters but then the french end up capturing our ancestor Almamy samouri ,he was killed .may Allah bless his soul .i still cry for for him .

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Santanfara,
Almami Samori was one of our greatest leaders.
I see why you are just like a Touray.
As we say "TOURAY NGANA MANDINGMORI, JANNEH NGANA MANDINGMORI, KOMMA NGAMANDINGMORI,CEESAY NGANA MANDINGMORI". In Manding , you people are the Mansas and Marabouts. So you know now that Touray, Janneh, Ceesay and Komma are the same,the differents between you Tourays are your places of settelments. I hope we can meet some day. Jalikunda have even plans to organise an evening for the history Mali Empire together with the organisation SUNDIATTA to begin with.Both the Jelis and JeliDjonos(The Kuyatehs)are going to take part. Look out for the program.
I hope you will tell your children about your great, great great grandfather.

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ALHASAN , nice tribute to the mandingmoris . i also wish we could met one day. but on another note ,i am not a mori at all so i will try to learn from the njie's and other very strong gambian family traditions .
as for janko , your misunderstanding of islam and what it's stand for is not restricted to just you .if jambo stand tooth and nail to any idea of some form of islamic tradition in the gambian politics i will uderstand ,he is openly a christian but for a muslim who claim ''i am gambian first and then muslim '' you need a lot to learn about what faith is all about. the Quran states that ''enter into islam completely '' .so if you pick and choose ,well good for you .
mansasulu have answered a lot so i will not unnecessaryly elaborate on any issue.
the tourist industry is bringing much needed foriegn currency but how much nowadays .remember the all inclusive parkage .

i am not being malicous or been arrogant when i said 'lets cut the grap '. what i meant was ,if we think that at our current state we can do every thing with 100% secularist phylosophy then we are wrong. i made reference to britain and rome for the simple reason that this leaders are sworwn in using the bible not the stick .also before they go to any wars they take advice from the clergy ,the laws have every thing to do with the old tastament 'read judges in the bible . in america what principle is the constitution base on ? or more appropraitely why ban abortion ? why practice the death penalty ? why award military officers with the cross as a symbol of bravery and galantry ? heey brother i wish good governance for my people as you do . we need to have a principle that best shuit us .why would our muslim president sworn in using the quran if he can discard it at will ? so you seems to be very superficail about politics. this game is about life and death .politics is not just about human right .if that is what it should be all about then why the most advance countries lobby together to saction unfortunate country's where women ,children ,the old and men die as a result of those dragonian international power laws ? look at it this way my learned friend ,we need to identify ourslef with what can work for us . the christian will have there rights in any form of government ,they have been having those rights in the gambia for centuries .

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ALHASAN

you forced me to reply . i am touray mori but the term MORI is some thing else . may be you know what a mori is . a mori or moro is a marabout or teacher in islamic tradition in our senegambia and mali,genuea,siera leon ,ivory coast end. so my touray kunda family tradition bear that hallmark but in reality i cannot practice moria .people may say touraymori ,that is fine ,in in practice i am not .that is what i mean .thanks any way.

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