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kobo
United Kingdom
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jambo
3300 Posts |
 Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 15:36:12
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hello Kobo, still taking a politically stance, i think you shuld run for a minister's job.
any way out, always but that is how the president got into power, human rights are easy but putting it into practice is harder
opposition parties are not effective because they were not honest about being there in the first place
have the right to discuss politicis definately , but you do so at your own peril think big brother |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 15:36:12
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hello Kobo, still taking a politically stance, i think you shuld run for a minister's job.
any way out, always but that is how the president got into power, human rights are easy but putting it into practice is harder
opposition parties are not effective because they were not honest about being there in the first place
have the right to discuss politicis definately, but you do so at your own peril think big brother |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2007 : 16:18:27
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| From past contributions, Kobo emerged very clear about the need to have our diverse issues harmonised and focused. What I understand by Kobo's advocacy is that lot of relevant issues come up during our various exchange of views. We can certainly organise these thoughts and to mount a solid platform for positive and progressive resolve. This we can do by picking on the key issues that relate in many ways. For example, we know Gambians want total DEMOCRACY; nothing but that. Out of the many topics, it is possible to pick and link some very sensible issues that crept under this topic. The way our democractic process is being derailed, the military blend, politics of personality and gross deception etc. When you take account of all these and many others, it comes out clear that Gambians in their right minds HATE to see our democratic values being flawed. Then we extend the issue on economic management of public resources. There again, some very topical issues have been raised and partially brushed in past postings of various contributors. To scale it down from general to specific is another way of gaining focus and progressive direction. Under each issue, we can then brainstorm over what prevails, what we like/dislike about it and so on. This is no perfect solution, only a raw suggestion. If anyone thinks of something to advance the whole process of regaining our lost democracy and sanity in the political process, the better. For now Kobo, that is one way of looking at matters. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2007 : 16:18:27
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| From past contributions, Kobo emerged very clear about the need to have our diverse issues harmonised and focused. What I understand by Kobo's advocacy is that lot of relevant issues come up during our various exchange of views. We can certainly organise these thoughts and to mount a solid platform for positive and progressive resolve. This we can do by picking on the key issues that relate in many ways. For example, we know Gambians want total DEMOCRACY; nothing but that. Out of the many topics, it is possible to pick and link some very sensible issues that crept under this topic. The way our democractic process is being derailed, the military blend, politics of personality and gross deception etc. When you take account of all these and many others, it comes out clear that Gambians in their right minds HATE to see our democratic values being flawed. Then we extend the issue on economic management of public resources. There again, some very topical issues have been raised and partially brushed in past postings of various contributors. To scale it down from general to specific is another way of gaining focus and progressive direction. Under each issue, we can then brainstorm over what prevails, what we like/dislike about it and so on. This is no perfect solution, only a raw suggestion. If anyone thinks of something to advance the whole process of regaining our lost democracy and sanity in the political process, the better. For now Kobo, that is one way of looking at matters. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2007 : 23:08:11
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Thanks Karamba. You are welcome on board amongst others clear in their conscience about the need to MOBILISE OUR RESOURCES AND FIGHT THE STRUGGLE AS A TEAM. Its not UDP, NADD, PDOIS, NDAM, GPDP or APRC. Its about PATRIOTISM AND FOR THE LOVE FOR A BETTER GAMBIA, OPPORTUNITIES FOR ITS DIVERSE PEOPLES. No political VICTIMISATIONS, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, RESPECT FOR THE RILE OF LAW AND JUSTICE, PROGRESS, PEACE AND STABILTY.
Gambians should take control of their DESTINY, STEWARDSHIP AND ACCOUNTABILITY. A President elect does not own THE STATE AND ITS CITIZENS. Its about BASIC CIVIC RIGHTS AND EQUITY!!!
Long live The Gambia!
Keep us GREAT GOD OF NATIONS To The Gambia EVER TRUE! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2007 : 23:08:11
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Thanks Karamba. You are welcome on board amongst others clear in their conscience about the need to MOBILISE OUR RESOURCES AND FIGHT THE STRUGGLE AS A TEAM. Its not UDP, NADD, PDOIS, NDAM, GPDP or APRC. Its about PATRIOTISM AND FOR THE LOVE FOR A BETTER GAMBIA, OPPORTUNITIES FOR ITS DIVERSE PEOPLES. No political VICTIMISATIONS, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, RESPECT FOR THE RILE OF LAW AND JUSTICE, PROGRESS, PEACE AND STABILTY.
Gambians should take control of their DESTINY, STEWARDSHIP AND ACCOUNTABILITY. A President elect does not own THE STATE AND ITS CITIZENS. Its about BASIC CIVIC RIGHTS AND EQUITY!!!
Long live The Gambia!
Keep us GREAT GOD OF NATIONS To The Gambia EVER TRUE! |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 00:07:22
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Kobo,
If only we cast the big picture of Gambia wide enough, no individual appears bigger. Our first step towards meeting the goal you have in mind is by setting apart GAMBIA on one side and all INDIVIDUALS on another side. Let us concentrate on building the body and muscles of Gambia. By directing our thoughts and productive energy reserves on rebuilding Gambia, little heads and fingers of destruction will find no place to exist. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 00:07:22
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Kobo,
If only we cast the big picture of Gambia wide enough, no individual appears bigger. Our first step towards meeting the goal you have in mind is by setting apart GAMBIA on one side and all INDIVIDUALS on another side. Let us concentrate on building the body and muscles of Gambia. By directing our thoughts and productive energy reserves on rebuilding Gambia, little heads and fingers of destruction will find no place to exist. |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 02:18:58
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Brother Kobo, Karamba, thanks for the challenge for a new direction. I must add that gambians are very smart people, but we are not good in creating new ideas or atleast we have not demonstrated that we can be original and different from the status quo.
Only lack of creativity and vision can restrict us in looking at Gambian politics within the perimeters of NADD, UDP, NRP and NDAM. These are political parties or should I say interest groups created for a need to replace an existing government.
It has been proven that majority of these parties with their original ideas has failed to win the support of the people for several years. What then is wrong with being creative and coming up with new ideas given the time and circumstances to challenge the current regime?
I would want to belief that NADD was created under these circumstances. The idea originated from STGDP and the folks there must be given credit for simply thinking along those lines. Unfortunately, the idea failed at first trial because of lack of understanding of the bigger picture at stake. People went on a rampage critizing the plans instead of embracing the idea and helping it succeed for the interest of all.
Gambians should only be royal to ideas that represent the general interest of the populace. As Karamba said, no single political entity or person is bigger than the Gambia. Therefore, our loyalty should be to the nation and its progress. We can out live any of these political parties by simply coming up with new creative ideas to challenge Jammeh's regime.
Many of these old failed politicians can be sent to long over due retirement by the younger generation by simply taking over. We have abundant opportunities to use endless state of the earth resources to reshape the political battle in the Gambia. We have the responsibility to address the issues or fall prey to the old political ideas which has taken us no where except under Jammeh's arms. It is a shame to refuse to think and hope others will think for us. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 02:18:58
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Brother Kobo, Karamba, thanks for the challenge for a new direction. I must add that gambians are very smart people, but we are not good in creating new ideas or atleast we have not demonstrated that we can be original and different from the status quo.
Only lack of creativity and vision can restrict us in looking at Gambian politics within the perimeters of NADD, UDP, NRP and NDAM. These are political parties or should I say interest groups created for a need to replace an existing government.
It has been proven that majority of these parties with their original ideas has failed to win the support of the people for several years. What then is wrong with being creative and coming up with new ideas given the time and circumstances to challenge the current regime?
I would want to belief that NADD was created under these circumstances. The idea originated from STGDP and the folks there must be given credit for simply thinking along those lines. Unfortunately, the idea failed at first trial because of lack of understanding of the bigger picture at stake. People went on a rampage critizing the plans instead of embracing the idea and helping it succeed for the interest of all.
Gambians should only be royal to ideas that represent the general interest of the populace. As Karamba said, no single political entity or person is bigger than the Gambia. Therefore, our loyalty should be to the nation and its progress. We can out live any of these political parties by simply coming up with new creative ideas to challenge Jammeh's regime.
Many of these old failed politicians can be sent to long over due retirement by the younger generation by simply taking over. We have abundant opportunities to use endless state of the earth resources to reshape the political battle in the Gambia. We have the responsibility to address the issues or fall prey to the old political ideas which has taken us no where except under Jammeh's arms. It is a shame to refuse to think and hope others will think for us. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 16:31:17
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Baldeh,
We can do it all the way. For a start, our commitment must transcend self gains. If I wish to create a political entity with a mind to enjoy office title and personal benefit, that is a whole matter. That is different to a case where a person involves in a process without the motivation for personal inducements. Many will tell you that Gambians are opportunistic. By that they mean, Gambians only participate in activities where they expect personal gains. We have to recognise this as a matter of concern. That does not mean a smaller number of humanistic Gambians do not exist. The case of those we hitherto call opposition politicians in Gambia falls in the category of self seeking opportunists. One group wanting to unseat another just to play the same game is not why any serious electorate will think of casting a vote for. If there are Gambians up/down somewhere who are thinking more of the country than personal gain, they can become useful ingredients in the process of developing a new Gambia. What failed the current and defunct opposition parties from Jawara days to now has more to do with the selfish desire for position and personal gain. It is not possible to distribute gains when such gains are not created in the forst place. In the minds of our opposition, they have settled for jobs of president, minister, permanent secretary, director, and so on even before creating the environment to cultivate those jobs. What we need at this point onwards is to work on cultivating not only the environment but more so the type of minds that get to accept that personal gain is of lesser weight than collective gains. It is hard to detach people from their selfish desires but nothing impossible. Politics in Gambia as in other places is highly contaminated unfortunately. That should not stop progressive members of society to reach out for untried systems and processess. We can do it. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2007 : 16:31:17
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Baldeh,
We can do it all the way. For a start, our commitment must transcend self gains. If I wish to create a political entity with a mind to enjoy office title and personal benefit, that is a whole matter. That is different to a case where a person involves in a process without the motivation for personal inducements. Many will tell you that Gambians are opportunistic. By that they mean, Gambians only participate in activities where they expect personal gains. We have to recognise this as a matter of concern. That does not mean a smaller number of humanistic Gambians do not exist. The case of those we hitherto call opposition politicians in Gambia falls in the category of self seeking opportunists. One group wanting to unseat another just to play the same game is not why any serious electorate will think of casting a vote for. If there are Gambians up/down somewhere who are thinking more of the country than personal gain, they can become useful ingredients in the process of developing a new Gambia. What failed the current and defunct opposition parties from Jawara days to now has more to do with the selfish desire for position and personal gain. It is not possible to distribute gains when such gains are not created in the forst place. In the minds of our opposition, they have settled for jobs of president, minister, permanent secretary, director, and so on even before creating the environment to cultivate those jobs. What we need at this point onwards is to work on cultivating not only the environment but more so the type of minds that get to accept that personal gain is of lesser weight than collective gains. It is hard to detach people from their selfish desires but nothing impossible. Politics in Gambia as in other places is highly contaminated unfortunately. That should not stop progressive members of society to reach out for untried systems and processess. We can do it. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2007 : 17:28:10
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From TOPIC:Citizen M.L. Drammeh Ignite Debate on Tribal Appts by Mansasula
QUOTES FROM MANSASULA:
"We all agree that the man is tyrant, but he has a mandate and not Jolas voted for him. I think we are better served at turning our energies to something else that continuing to beat a dead horse."
We will test the genral consensus under opinion polls whether Jammeh is a TYRANT later!
The second point would be shifted under the topc "LETS SERIOUSLY DISCUSS GAMBIAN POLITICS AND DEMOCRACY!. I appreciate your comments. |
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