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kayjatta
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 Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 08:36:01
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This is an interesting discourse. I think both Karamba and Ebou4th are onto something relevant here.
It is true that "the pen is mightier than the sword". the problem here though is that Gambians in the diaspora constitute a small group that largely does not vote , and while our cyber-contributions of ideas is extremely important it reaches a very small reading audience in the Gambia. The majority of the Gambian people who go to the polls do not read and do not share(or understand) our ideals of government and economics. Freud may again be right that "man is an irrational being".
The glorious ideas coming from the diaspora might be crucial but any real change in the Gambia , political or otherwise, must come from within.The majority of Gambians must develop modern political thinking and conciousness in order to bring about any meaningful change in government.This may still take some time unfortunately , but that should be no cause for despair , we must keep talking and writing until... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 11:32:08
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We have ineffective opposition parties, total dominance of APRC and THREATS AGAINST GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY THAT CAPITALISED ON THE ELECTORATE AND THE ELECTIONS UNDER ITS CONTROL, DIRECTION AND MANIPULATIONS.
Majority of Gambians not HIGHLY POLITICAL CONSCIOUS LIKE YOU GUYS OUT THERE.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A UNITED FRONT, STRATEGICALLY AND TACTICALLY TO CHALLENGE THEM!
Like in Zimbabwe a pastor gave hope to them that GOD IS COMING TO SAVE THEM
GOD SAVE THE GAMBIA! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 11:32:08
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We have ineffective opposition parties, total dominance of APRC and THREATS AGAINST GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY THAT CAPITALISED ON THE ELECTORATE AND THE ELECTIONS UNDER ITS CONTROL, DIRECTION AND MANIPULATIONS.
Majority of Gambians not HIGHLY POLITICAL CONSCIOUS LIKE YOU GUYS OUT THERE.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A UNITED FRONT, STRATEGICALLY AND TACTICALLY TO CHALLENGE THEM!
Like in Zimbabwe a pastor gave hope to them that GOD IS COMING TO SAVE THEM
GOD SAVE THE GAMBIA! |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 11:35:36
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Kayjatta, Ebou4, Kobo and all Dear Compatriots,
To have it started at all is a move by itself. If it takes even four members of this forum keeping the ideas alive, I would count on that as way of preserving and keeping good custody of the seed of truth. All sectors of society have ways of preserving the truth as we live through these transitory yet very trying times. We need the records. How many good ideas our wise elders in remote location share and none of it is recorded? But word travels far enough. I still hold it that the views expressed in this forum and other sites remain very vital to the conservation and preservation of what we shall be needing sooner or later. It is difficult to measure the impact of literature on society. Even highly industrial countries are having to crawl when it comes to the population of readership. On public buses, train stations, and other locations, we find free publications. Some people only take short glances and others never do. That is the way it goes. Therefore we are catching up faster than anticipated. Coming to know that there stands in the crowd Kayjatta, Ebou4, Santanfara, Kobo, Baldeh, and many more is quite assuring. The skill and competence Momodou committed in creating this wonderful platform is a progressive advance in the highest accord. Our routes may differ but we share same destination. "One, one coco, full a basket"-B.Marley. On my part, I am paying keen attention to the level and standards Gambians have taken on discussing. That for me is a more progressive advance than a bogus University of Gambia where Masters and PhD courses are dished out without the required educational infrastructure. We may be slow, but we are certainly moving. Perhaps what we share over these sites is what others are piecing together at their own levels of competence for some use we may not know. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 11:35:36
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Kayjatta, Ebou4, Kobo and all Dear Compatriots,
To have it started at all is a move by itself. If it takes even four members of this forum keeping the ideas alive, I would count on that as way of preserving and keeping good custody of the seed of truth. All sectors of society have ways of preserving the truth as we live through these transitory yet very trying times. We need the records. How many good ideas our wise elders in remote location share and none of it is recorded? But word travels far enough. I still hold it that the views expressed in this forum and other sites remain very vital to the conservation and preservation of what we shall be needing sooner or later. It is difficult to measure the impact of literature on society. Even highly industrial countries are having to crawl when it comes to the population of readership. On public buses, train stations, and other locations, we find free publications. Some people only take short glances and others never do. That is the way it goes. Therefore we are catching up faster than anticipated. Coming to know that there stands in the crowd Kayjatta, Ebou4, Santanfara, Kobo, Baldeh, and many more is quite assuring. The skill and competence Momodou committed in creating this wonderful platform is a progressive advance in the highest accord. Our routes may differ but we share same destination. "One, one coco, full a basket"-B.Marley. On my part, I am paying keen attention to the level and standards Gambians have taken on discussing. That for me is a more progressive advance than a bogus University of Gambia where Masters and PhD courses are dished out without the required educational infrastructure. We may be slow, but we are certainly moving. Perhaps what we share over these sites is what others are piecing together at their own levels of competence for some use we may not know. |
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ebou4th
USA
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 16:53:41
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Sister Kobo, I beg to differ. Unlike me, there are a few good men and women in this forum who are very politically conscious.
I will repeat my self, the primary challenge we face is not the APRC Administration, but the task of educating the Gambian electorate to use freedom and the power of a vote wisely. Since the internet is not the most effective method of reaching the majority of the electorate, lets us turn to Haliffa Sallah. Mr. Sallah is an intellectual of the highest caliber and he is willing to render his services to a nation in dare need of intellectuals.
In February Haliffa said “I will devote my time to production of literature for schools in Social Sciences, I intend to write children stories, novels and hand books on parliamentary procedure and other issues of governance and conduct research in general. I intend to build a major Pan African library and travel widely to promote knowledge of a new vision for Africa, Africans and humanity at large. I intend to be more prominent in the national and the world scene than I have been as a National Assembly member."
Why not encourage and support him to start publishing a free educational newsletter. Another version of FOROYAA, a vast majority of us must admit that FOROYAA has done a lot in educating Gambians in the early nineties.
Let us start sharing ideas, before you know it there will be a young and energetic Francis Small among Gambians. Keep up the good work fellow countrymen and women.
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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ebou4th
USA
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 16:53:41
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Sister Kobo, I beg to differ. Unlike me, there are a few good men and women in this forum who are very politically conscious.
I will repeat my self, the primary challenge we face is not the APRC Administration, but the task of educating the Gambian electorate to use freedom and the power of a vote wisely. Since the internet is not the most effective method of reaching the majority of the electorate, lets us turn to Haliffa Sallah. Mr. Sallah is an intellectual of the highest caliber and he is willing to render his services to a nation in dare need of intellectuals.
In February Haliffa said “I will devote my time to production of literature for schools in Social Sciences, I intend to write children stories, novels and hand books on parliamentary procedure and other issues of governance and conduct research in general. I intend to build a major Pan African library and travel widely to promote knowledge of a new vision for Africa, Africans and humanity at large. I intend to be more prominent in the national and the world scene than I have been as a National Assembly member."
Why not encourage and support him to start publishing a free educational newsletter. Another version of FOROYAA, a vast majority of us must admit that FOROYAA has done a lot in educating Gambians in the early nineties.
Let us start sharing ideas, before you know it there will be a young and energetic Francis Small among Gambians. Keep up the good work fellow countrymen and women.
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 17:12:44
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Mr. Sallah is an intellectual of the highest caliber and he is willing to render his services to a nation in dare need of intellectuals.
Ebou, I do not think the country is short of interllectuals. I think interllectuals lack breathing space in the Gambia. Otherwise, there are hundreds if not thousands of Halifa Sallahs in the Gambia. In my view, he is not even one of the best. He only uses arrogance [not intelligence] to get his voice over dissent. That is what he is good at. In that regard, he is probably one of the best.
I suppose that is just my opinion to which I am entitled to.
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 19 Apr 2007 18:28:23 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 17:12:44
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Mr. Sallah is an intellectual of the highest caliber and he is willing to render his services to a nation in dare need of intellectuals.
Ebou, I do not think the country is short of interllectuals. I think interllectuals lack breathing space in the Gambia. Otherwise, there are hundreds if not thousands of Halifa Sallahs in the Gambia. In my view, he is not even one of the best. He only uses arrogance [not intelligence] to get his voice over dissent. That is what he is good at. In that regard, he is probably one of the best.
I suppose that is just my opinion to which I am entitled to.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 19 Apr 2007 18:28:23 |
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 19:16:12
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Nyarinkangbanna, while it is true that the Gambia is not short of interllectuals, you cannot argue the fact that most of the interllectuals are not in the trenches/on the ground. our interlectuals are silent, it is the likes of Halifa who are bearing the burden of establishing a more free society in the Gambia. Foroyaa is a well established newspaper due to the tireless efforts of Halifa and Sidia.
Let us put our personal diffrences and party loyalty aside for a second, who else do you think is suited for undertaking my sugession? If in your opinion Halifa is not the best person then put forward a sugesstion and identify a person.
Derailing and shooting down of ideas without putting foward ideas is a non starter, remember the presdential election was nine months ago. Let us not forget to choose elect and defend to put the intrest of the Gambia first.
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 19:16:12
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Nyarinkangbanna, while it is true that the Gambia is not short of interllectuals, you cannot argue the fact that most of the interllectuals are not in the trenches/on the ground. our interlectuals are silent, it is the likes of Halifa who are bearing the burden of establishing a more free society in the Gambia. Foroyaa is a well established newspaper due to the tireless efforts of Halifa and Sidia.
Let us put our personal diffrences and party loyalty aside for a second, who else do you think is suited for undertaking my sugession? If in your opinion Halifa is not the best person then put forward a sugesstion and identify a person.
Derailing and shooting down of ideas without putting foward ideas is a non starter, remember the presdential election was nine months ago. Let us not forget to choose elect and defend to put the intrest of the Gambia first.
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 20:11:22
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Ebou4,
If I get you wrong please correct me. From what I understand, you are suggesting that Halifa opens his gate of knowledge to serve not only Gambia but the sub-region. Are you also letting us know that Halifa is not fully supported and before we consider diverse options for knowledge and opinion sharing, we have to rally behind Halifa until his mission is accomplished. From what I recall Halifa has been in this business of public education for more than 20 years. If up to now his message is not sunken, don't you think a change of medium and approach is something worth looking at. In a better way of putting it, I would say let Halifa not give up. At the same time, in the spirit of free expression, other avenues and media options can be tried. When Halifa started, there was no Internet so to state. Now that the medium of Internet permits faster interaction, Halifa might as well go for a change of tools and turn to the Internet particularly on open furum like Bantaba. Even with a different name, his good message can be shared. For now, those who choose to stay tuned with Halifa are still reading FOROYAA. What comes from FOROYAA is quite relevant but other publications are equally good for variety and freedom of choice. If you are now advising that the Internet is not the most effective medium for socio-political exchange, I wonder how FOROYAA publications could be, especially when after more than 20 years the good message is still not sinking according to what I understand from you. Who then will be the generation of readers you target for this venture? This is my understanding of your position. Already, other media openings are creating slots for Halifa and FOROYAA. Don't you accept that as a form of generosity that Halifa and FOROYAA also help publicise the works of other media establishments. Please help me to understand better if this is in varience with your true position. How many times has FOROYAA published some of the good and relevant opinions expressed in other media openings? In this exchange, do we have sell and buy only the superior information products of Halifa and FOROYAA and not even a bit of what others have for sale to the same public needing a move from stagnation? Thank you for bringing up your very good opinions. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 20:11:22
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Ebou4,
If I get you wrong please correct me. From what I understand, you are suggesting that Halifa opens his gate of knowledge to serve not only Gambia but the sub-region. Are you also letting us know that Halifa is not fully supported and before we consider diverse options for knowledge and opinion sharing, we have to rally behind Halifa until his mission is accomplished. From what I recall Halifa has been in this business of public education for more than 20 years. If up to now his message is not sunken, don't you think a change of medium and approach is something worth looking at. In a better way of putting it, I would say let Halifa not give up. At the same time, in the spirit of free expression, other avenues and media options can be tried. When Halifa started, there was no Internet so to state. Now that the medium of Internet permits faster interaction, Halifa might as well go for a change of tools and turn to the Internet particularly on open furum like Bantaba. Even with a different name, his good message can be shared. For now, those who choose to stay tuned with Halifa are still reading FOROYAA. What comes from FOROYAA is quite relevant but other publications are equally good for variety and freedom of choice. If you are now advising that the Internet is not the most effective medium for socio-political exchange, I wonder how FOROYAA publications could be, especially when after more than 20 years the good message is still not sinking according to what I understand from you. Who then will be the generation of readers you target for this venture? This is my understanding of your position. Already, other media openings are creating slots for Halifa and FOROYAA. Don't you accept that as a form of generosity that Halifa and FOROYAA also help publicise the works of other media establishments. Please help me to understand better if this is in varience with your true position. How many times has FOROYAA published some of the good and relevant opinions expressed in other media openings? In this exchange, do we have sell and buy only the superior information products of Halifa and FOROYAA and not even a bit of what others have for sale to the same public needing a move from stagnation? Thank you for bringing up your very good opinions. |
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ebou4th
USA
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 22:06:32
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Thanks for your questions, I was throwing an idea around for the members of the forum. Anyone with the ability to educate our electorate should be backed and supported and the more the better. I was not necessarily endorsing only Halifa for the job. He is the only one I know who is on the ground. If you know anyone how will be as dedicated please share that information.
On the issue of using the internet as a medium for educating Gambian; I know most Gambians do hot have access to the net so it will be less effective that a free hard copy news letter/publication. It is through ideas like this comes solutions, let’s call it brain storming if you will.
I am trying to take the politics out of the debate... if that is possible.
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 22:06:32
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Thanks for your questions, I was throwing an idea around for the members of the forum. Anyone with the ability to educate our electorate should be backed and supported and the more the better. I was not necessarily endorsing only Halifa for the job. He is the only one I know who is on the ground. If you know anyone how will be as dedicated please share that information.
On the issue of using the internet as a medium for educating Gambian; I know most Gambians do hot have access to the net so it will be less effective that a free hard copy news letter/publication. It is through ideas like this comes solutions, let’s call it brain storming if you will.
I am trying to take the politics out of the debate... if that is possible.
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