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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 23:50:18
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Bro Ebou4,
You have the finest approach. Thank you in the first place for your kind response to earlier questions. I can now appreciate much better how you stand by the significant role played by Halifa on the ground. Again Ebou4, politics, like other regimes of social progress form part of a dynamic scheme of things. For this generation, the most readily available tool for mass communication is multi media as it has now come to reign supreme over other forms. Halifa and others made very good use of paper communication at times when that was the best form of preserving and distributing vital information needs for socio-economic advancement. Schools were pegged on the same paper mode of information sharing. For us to move using the current means of communication only goes to prove that we are also tuned up for 21st century gains. It has to start at some point. If Gambians are not using Internet as a facility, it shows they are not properly tuned and equipped for it. Now that you and I are able to share these views with one strike of a computer keyboard is ample evidence that we can take up to others less previliged. Even in highly industrial economies, a large proportion of society still remain in the dark ages when it comes to competent use of computers. We don't want to wait. Given our least previleged resource positioning, starting it at a pace like this can be to our advantage in the long run. There is a local Wollof saying that a person with the least reserve of tears must start shedding tears long enough so that when others join, it is just in time. For us to limit the use of Internet because of reasons as you advanced could only keep us lower. Computers are not simple toys for just anyone even in developed countries. Computers are still universal tools for boosting knowledge generation and information delivery. There are programmes being developed to suit even remote areas without power generators. We want a Gambia where the next generation can boast of many Halifa, many Sidia, and all the other good men society already knows. While we appreaciate and emulate our good men in society, the need to multiply knowledge through collective capacity building will pay more dividend. To end it here for now, we still need the Internet as one means of mass communication while still keeping the paper documentation of events and ideas. I accept that the dream of a paperless information society is yet to come totally true but we are getting somewhere. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 23:50:18
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Bro Ebou4,
You have the finest approach. Thank you in the first place for your kind response to earlier questions. I can now appreciate much better how you stand by the significant role played by Halifa on the ground. Again Ebou4, politics, like other regimes of social progress form part of a dynamic scheme of things. For this generation, the most readily available tool for mass communication is multi media as it has now come to reign supreme over other forms. Halifa and others made very good use of paper communication at times when that was the best form of preserving and distributing vital information needs for socio-economic advancement. Schools were pegged on the same paper mode of information sharing. For us to move using the current means of communication only goes to prove that we are also tuned up for 21st century gains. It has to start at some point. If Gambians are not using Internet as a facility, it shows they are not properly tuned and equipped for it. Now that you and I are able to share these views with one strike of a computer keyboard is ample evidence that we can take up to others less previliged. Even in highly industrial economies, a large proportion of society still remain in the dark ages when it comes to competent use of computers. We don't want to wait. Given our least previleged resource positioning, starting it at a pace like this can be to our advantage in the long run. There is a local Wollof saying that a person with the least reserve of tears must start shedding tears long enough so that when others join, it is just in time. For us to limit the use of Internet because of reasons as you advanced could only keep us lower. Computers are not simple toys for just anyone even in developed countries. Computers are still universal tools for boosting knowledge generation and information delivery. There are programmes being developed to suit even remote areas without power generators. We want a Gambia where the next generation can boast of many Halifa, many Sidia, and all the other good men society already knows. While we appreaciate and emulate our good men in society, the need to multiply knowledge through collective capacity building will pay more dividend. To end it here for now, we still need the Internet as one means of mass communication while still keeping the paper documentation of events and ideas. I accept that the dream of a paperless information society is yet to come totally true but we are getting somewhere. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2007 : 00:57:55
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"The internet is a powerful tool some will use it to teach and some willl use it to fool." (SBa07) One thing for certain more Gambians will be able to write online once they have been hooked up or have access to the net. Why? Because more children are actually attending school.Women have more economic power in Gambia than before. More children are literate in Gambia than ever before,(including girls) and guess who do you have to thank for this Karamba et al Jammeh! 
peace
Sister Omega
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 20 Apr 2007 01:02:26 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2007 : 00:57:55
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"The internet is a powerful tool some will use it to teach and some willl use it to fool." (SBa07) One thing for certain more Gambians will be able to write online once they have been hooked up or have access to the net. Why? Because more children are actually attending school.Women have more economic power in Gambia than before. More children are literate in Gambia than ever before,(including girls) and guess who do you have to thank for this Karamba et al Jammeh!
peace
Sister Omega
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 20 Apr 2007 01:02:26 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2007 : 02:10:00
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Sister Omega,
You have a serious problem. How do you think you are able to distract accurately focused Gambians from making progress with this joke of casting Jammeh's BE ALL image over everything. Can you accept that Jammeh staged a coup and since then, killings and abductions have remained norms in Gambia. Are you only reading these Bantaba exchanges or simply closing your mind's eye to all that obtains on Jammeh around the globe. Have life. Be real. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2007 : 02:10:00
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Sister Omega,
You have a serious problem. How do you think you are able to distract accurately focused Gambians from making progress with this joke of casting Jammeh's BE ALL image over everything. Can you accept that Jammeh staged a coup and since then, killings and abductions have remained norms in Gambia. Are you only reading these Bantaba exchanges or simply closing your mind's eye to all that obtains on Jammeh around the globe. Have life. Be real. |
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2007 : 06:40:02
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Sister Omega I admire your intrest in the Gambia but it seems your support for the current administration hinders you from beign objective. This may be unintentional, it is unequivocal that there are more schools, but we need to look at the big picture; building more schools is not the solution to fixing an educational system, those schools need qualfied teachers, they need to be affordable, there have to accessible. I do not know how familiar you are with the Gambia, regardless you cannot ague the fact that the quality of education has gone down during the APRC tenure, not the mention the massive drop out rate due to unaffordable schools fees. Due to the economic constrain some Gambians parents that I know personally are more worried about feeding their children that sending them to school. Finally, the current standard of mass promotion are well below the standards of the West African Examination Council's ( WAEC)
I will not mention the negative effects of the sudden abolishment of holding students accountable through coporal punishment. As an outsider looking in you might not be aware of all of these issues. We do not need anymore sabarr/tanta jalos we have enough of those in the Gambia. What the Gambian needs is objective and progressive minded citizen.
Thanks for coming out sister! |
“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2007 : 06:40:02
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Sister Omega I admire your intrest in the Gambia but it seems your support for the current administration hinders you from beign objective. This may be unintentional, it is unequivocal that there are more schools, but we need to look at the big picture; building more schools is not the solution to fixing an educational system, those schools need qualfied teachers, they need to be affordable, there have to accessible. I do not know how familiar you are with the Gambia, regardless you cannot ague the fact that the quality of education has gone down during the APRC tenure, not the mention the massive drop out rate due to unaffordable schools fees. Due to the economic constrain some Gambians parents that I know personally are more worried about feeding their children that sending them to school. Finally, the current standard of mass promotion are well below the standards of the West African Examination Council's ( WAEC)
I will not mention the negative effects of the sudden abolishment of holding students accountable through coporal punishment. As an outsider looking in you might not be aware of all of these issues. We do not need anymore sabarr/tanta jalos we have enough of those in the Gambia. What the Gambian needs is objective and progressive minded citizen.
Thanks for coming out sister! |
“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2007 : 13:00:16
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Originally posted by ebou4th
Sister Omega I admire your intrest in the Gambia but it seems your support for the current administration hinders you from beign objective. This may be unintentional, it is unequivocal that there are more schools, but we need to look at the big picture; building more schools is not the solution to fixing an educational system, those schools need qualfied teachers, they need to be affordable, there have to accessible. I do not know how familiar you are with the Gambia, regardless you cannot ague the fact that the quality of education has gone down during the APRC tenure, not the mention the massive drop out rate due to unaffordable schools fees. Due to the economic constrain some Gambians parents that I know personally are more worried about feeding their children that sending them to school. Finally, the current standard of mass promotion are well below the standards of the West African Examination Council's ( WAEC)
I will not mention the negative effects of the sudden abolishment of holding students accountable through coporal punishment. As an outsider looking in you might not be aware of all of these issues. We do not need anymore sabarr/tanta jalos we have enough of those in the Gambia. What the Gambian needs is objective and progressive minded citizen.
Thanks for coming out sister!
Brother Ebou,
I do not agree with you that the standard of education dropped during Jammeh's reign. This problem started when Jammeh was in school himself. I was a teacher, but left because of maldaministration and lack of good order in the schools. Unqualified teachers were employed without being able to speak proper english or even spell properly. I got mad because of the way things were done and could not do anything about it.
That parents cannot afford school fees is not new eigther. I have withnesed many a times when kids would be sent home for the lack of schoolfees. Remember there was a time when the unqualified teachers did not even go to the College, but got promoted. Children had to take their own desks and chairs with them to school. Classes under trees and ect.Most of the good teachers left because of bad administration. Anyway as we have different experiences, we must remind each other of them.
Things are not as good yet, but I hope they will get better. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 20 Apr 2007 : 13:00:16
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Originally posted by ebou4th
Sister Omega I admire your intrest in the Gambia but it seems your support for the current administration hinders you from beign objective. This may be unintentional, it is unequivocal that there are more schools, but we need to look at the big picture; building more schools is not the solution to fixing an educational system, those schools need qualfied teachers, they need to be affordable, there have to accessible. I do not know how familiar you are with the Gambia, regardless you cannot ague the fact that the quality of education has gone down during the APRC tenure, not the mention the massive drop out rate due to unaffordable schools fees. Due to the economic constrain some Gambians parents that I know personally are more worried about feeding their children that sending them to school. Finally, the current standard of mass promotion are well below the standards of the West African Examination Council's ( WAEC)
I will not mention the negative effects of the sudden abolishment of holding students accountable through coporal punishment. As an outsider looking in you might not be aware of all of these issues. We do not need anymore sabarr/tanta jalos we have enough of those in the Gambia. What the Gambian needs is objective and progressive minded citizen.
Thanks for coming out sister!
Brother Ebou,
I do not agree with you that the standard of education dropped during Jammeh's reign. This problem started when Jammeh was in school himself. I was a teacher, but left because of maldaministration and lack of good order in the schools. Unqualified teachers were employed without being able to speak proper english or even spell properly. I got mad because of the way things were done and could not do anything about it.
That parents cannot afford school fees is not new eigther. I have withnesed many a times when kids would be sent home for the lack of schoolfees. Remember there was a time when the unqualified teachers did not even go to the College, but got promoted. Children had to take their own desks and chairs with them to school. Classes under trees and ect.Most of the good teachers left because of bad administration. Anyway as we have different experiences, we must remind each other of them.
Things are not as good yet, but I hope they will get better. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 17:02:25
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Let's not also forget that for 29 years Gambia had no university even though the previous government was given enough money to build five of them. In 1999 Univerity of gambia came into existence teaching
o Health and allied sciences, including medicine, public and environmental health, and nursing;
o Agriculture and natural resources;
o Economics and management sciences;
o Construction management;
o Physical and natural sciences including computer science; and
o Humanities and social sciences, including education.
peace
Sister Omega |
Peace
Sister Omega |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 17:02:25
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Let's not also forget that for 29 years Gambia had no university even though the previous government was given enough money to build five of them. In 1999 Univerity of gambia came into existence teaching
o Health and allied sciences, including medicine, public and environmental health, and nursing;
o Agriculture and natural resources;
o Economics and management sciences;
o Construction management;
o Physical and natural sciences including computer science; and
o Humanities and social sciences, including education.
peace
Sister Omega |
Peace
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 19:45:15
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Sister Omega,
Tell us as matter of fact you are on Jammeh's PR payroll and that way you coud be excused to trade for him. Please save it for sake of goodness anything about Jammeh building schools and hospitals. That is the biggest drama of a whole century. Like all other initiatives, anything Jammeh does goes with a personal interest. He tells Gambians about schools (including un-versity of Gambia) See what he does. Before the university got its name properly settled Jammeh was already crowned Doctor of what he calls it. Everyone knows where the balance of benefit lies. Jammeh never getting tired of feeding on titles jumped the Atlantic Ocean and soon to tell Gambians he earned another PhD from a Un-versity in the United States of America. Of late, a third doctoral degree bounced in Jammeh's net. For a man that is ready to deceive himself, who else is safe? Hospitals, hospitals, hospitals. Kanilai with the smallest population now boasts of a Children's Hospital thanks to the kindness of a president with drawing rights from Allah (God's) World Bank. Gambians can complete the list of self seeking interest schemes ventured by Jammeh only for his narrow self-centred interest. From 22 July 1994, there is NOTHING Jammeh does without selfish interest. Come up with just one and I will draw the line of self seeking interest. Don't tell me about the Airport extension. Anything else. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 19:45:15
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Sister Omega,
Tell us as matter of fact you are on Jammeh's PR payroll and that way you coud be excused to trade for him. Please save it for sake of goodness anything about Jammeh building schools and hospitals. That is the biggest drama of a whole century. Like all other initiatives, anything Jammeh does goes with a personal interest. He tells Gambians about schools (including un-versity of Gambia) See what he does. Before the university got its name properly settled Jammeh was already crowned Doctor of what he calls it. Everyone knows where the balance of benefit lies. Jammeh never getting tired of feeding on titles jumped the Atlantic Ocean and soon to tell Gambians he earned another PhD from a Un-versity in the United States of America. Of late, a third doctoral degree bounced in Jammeh's net. For a man that is ready to deceive himself, who else is safe? Hospitals, hospitals, hospitals. Kanilai with the smallest population now boasts of a Children's Hospital thanks to the kindness of a president with drawing rights from Allah (God's) World Bank. Gambians can complete the list of self seeking interest schemes ventured by Jammeh only for his narrow self-centred interest. From 22 July 1994, there is NOTHING Jammeh does without selfish interest. Come up with just one and I will draw the line of self seeking interest. Don't tell me about the Airport extension. Anything else. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 19:48:16
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Sister Omega , you are absolutely right that jammeh must be commended for his oustanding performance in infrastructural development. However Jammeh's performance in the human rights area is not all that outstanding. There is a lot of room for improvemnet. Besides that there is an ideal of government that we want to see flourish in the Gambia. We want the executive , the legislature and the judiciary be completely independent of one another by appropriate checks and balances , and that one person must not stay in power for too long. Democracy works best where there is a contest of ideas.
Think about the case of Fatou Jaw Manneh. While I do not completely agree with her views and I certainly would not use the tone of her language , I don't think anyone wins by putting her in jail. The only casualty is Gambian democracy. |
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