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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 14:14:15
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Siste Omega, no ammount of roads and electricity make up for a basic lack of human rights. Journalists are frightened to speak their minds or they may be fired or worse. People are frightened to make a free vote because they are watched at the polls by government spies.Even in public company people are afraid to say what they really think because the president has people on his pay roll everywhere. The police and army are corrupt and take bribes and are aginst their own people. They stop and search and bully their own people. Young people in Gambia are ANGRY about all this under the surface. You need to take of your rose tinted spectacles and really take a LOOK at the realities of Gambian life.
For ordinary Gambians food prices are esculating and getting work is almost impossible. Daily life is getting HARDER not easier.Keeping children in education is a struggle, getting health care is a struggle.
I think the average Gambian would prefer all of the above mentioned to be addressed rather than prioritising roads and electricity!
Finally without personal freedom life is very oppressive. This is the presidents regime the Gambian people are having to suffer. No wonder it gets a bit personal. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 14:14:15
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Siste Omega, no ammount of roads and electricity make up for a basic lack of human rights. Journalists are frightened to speak their minds or they may be fired or worse. People are frightened to make a free vote because they are watched at the polls by government spies.Even in public company people are afraid to say what they really think because the president has people on his pay roll everywhere. The police and army are corrupt and take bribes and are aginst their own people. They stop and search and bully their own people. Young people in Gambia are ANGRY about all this under the surface. You need to take of your rose tinted spectacles and really take a LOOK at the realities of Gambian life.
For ordinary Gambians food prices are esculating and getting work is almost impossible. Daily life is getting HARDER not easier.Keeping children in education is a struggle, getting health care is a struggle.
I think the average Gambian would prefer all of the above mentioned to be addressed rather than prioritising roads and electricity!
Finally without personal freedom life is very oppressive. This is the presidents regime the Gambian people are having to suffer. No wonder it gets a bit personal. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 16:35:20
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Gambiabev on the contrary Bev there are also Gambians who genuinely support the President. Like all countries not all the population is supports the government of the day and it is totally unrealistic for everyone to presume so. I doubt it very much Bev you speak for all young people in Gambia because there are young people who support the APRC and of course their are those who don't. It is untrue to make a generic statement that Gambian people are suffering directly as a result of the government.
After all government is only one accept governing peoples' lives not the entirity of their existence. There are indeed many successful Gambians who are not in the public sector. Also Gambians have a responsibility to do what they can do to improve the quality of their lives.
I don't buy into the victim culture blaming everyone else for an individual's situation negates reponsibility from that person to empower themselves. Let's face reality poverty is a world wide issue and effects the Majority of the world regardless whether they are in so called developed world or the developing world. We have an international system geared towards making a certain class of people rich.
Everywhere there are limitations, personal, institutional etc. It is what people can do within those limitations, is what matters. As for infratructructural development of course this is important, as both I and yourself sit in relevant comfort we can go into the kitchen and guarantee 99.9 % of the time that when we turn on the tap water will come out and that it is fit for human consumption. We needn't walk two miles or so "x" amount of times per day to do our routine choirs. We switch on the light and it works etc. These are things we take for granted I also think everyone should be able to do that. But of course the majority of people don't have such priviledge, the same applies to universial education.
Governments are only one limited vehicle to progress, the major effort has to come from people themselves. Your telling me to look at the realities of life ok. You are under the presumption that I know nothing about Gambia life, all I can do is laugh. The reality is in real terms is Gambia has changed dramatically in the past 13 years and of course has further to go. When we turn back the clock the level of poverty was far higher, so was illiteracy and mortality rates. As Patrice Lumumba said "To educate a man is to educate and individual. But to educate a woman is to educate a nation. Jammeh has put this into practice by educating girls. Under the last government only girls' from rich families had this priviledge. Of course one can't be complacent and as you become more familiarised with Gambian culture there are many layers to it. As Human Beings we are never satisfied once we achieve certain goals, we reach for the next one this is positive because it leads to progress. We can either get involved in progressive developments and make our individual or collective contributions or shout on the sidelines.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 21 Apr 2007 16:42:00 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 16:35:20
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Gambiabev on the contrary Bev there are also Gambians who genuinely support the President. Like all countries not all the population is supports the government of the day and it is totally unrealistic for everyone to presume so. I doubt it very much Bev you speak for all young people in Gambia because there are young people who support the APRC and of course their are those who don't. It is untrue to make a generic statement that Gambian people are suffering directly as a result of the government.
After all government is only one accept governing peoples' lives not the entirity of their existence. There are indeed many successful Gambians who are not in the public sector. Also Gambians have a responsibility to do what they can do to improve the quality of their lives.
I don't buy into the victim culture blaming everyone else for an individual's situation negates reponsibility from that person to empower themselves. Let's face reality poverty is a world wide issue and effects the Majority of the world regardless whether they are in so called developed world or the developing world. We have an international system geared towards making a certain class of people rich.
Everywhere there are limitations, personal, institutional etc. It is what people can do within those limitations, is what matters. As for infratructructural development of course this is important, as both I and yourself sit in relevant comfort we can go into the kitchen and guarantee 99.9 % of the time that when we turn on the tap water will come out and that it is fit for human consumption. We needn't walk two miles or so "x" amount of times per day to do our routine choirs. We switch on the light and it works etc. These are things we take for granted I also think everyone should be able to do that. But of course the majority of people don't have such priviledge, the same applies to universial education.
Governments are only one limited vehicle to progress, the major effort has to come from people themselves. Your telling me to look at the realities of life ok. You are under the presumption that I know nothing about Gambia life, all I can do is laugh. The reality is in real terms is Gambia has changed dramatically in the past 13 years and of course has further to go. When we turn back the clock the level of poverty was far higher, so was illiteracy and mortality rates. As Patrice Lumumba said "To educate a man is to educate and individual. But to educate a woman is to educate a nation. Jammeh has put this into practice by educating girls. Under the last government only girls' from rich families had this priviledge. Of course one can't be complacent and as you become more familiarised with Gambian culture there are many layers to it. As Human Beings we are never satisfied once we achieve certain goals, we reach for the next one this is positive because it leads to progress. We can either get involved in progressive developments and make our individual or collective contributions or shout on the sidelines.
Peace
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 17:02:29
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| Beyond the dark concrete walls and buildings, clear sighted Gambians have our mind's eye set on the true bigger picture of reality. It is only adults with child minds who rejoice over gifts of candy sticks. Jammeh is not capable and never is he willing to develop Gambia. He is there to occupy the state seat and extending his long hands of corruption to get personally rich. In the process, he casts out images intended to persuade fools that it is development. To all you good Gambians, can't you make simple difference between peppery dust and refreshing sea breeze? We need no expert from jupiter to judge or interprete truth for us. Gambians, yes, may be poor but not crazy. We can advance our discussion on Gambia by avoiding the name of Jammeh; an accident in history with big stains nobody likes. Anyone who refuses to take account of the suffering and pain meted out to Gambians by Jammeh, such a person is clear enemy of Gambians. In the name of youth, women, and special groups, we are sick and tired of the child jokes. Truth shall triupmh at end of day. Brothers and sisters, Jammeh is real enemy of Gambia with all evidence before our open eyes. If he was sincere enough, he would allowed more competent persons to take on a job he now finds impossible to man. No child jokes, we have to move on. Gambia forever!! |
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Edited by - Karamba on 21 Apr 2007 20:53:32 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 17:02:29
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| Beyond the dark concrete walls and buildings, clear sighted Gambians have our mind's eye set on the true bigger picture of reality. It is only adults with child minds who rejoice over gifts of candy sticks. Jammeh is not capable and never is he willing to develop Gambia. He is there to occupy the state seat and extending his long hands of corruption to get personally rich. In the process, he casts out images intended to persuade fools that it is development. To all you good Gambians, can't you make simple difference between peppery dust and refreshing sea breeze? We need no expert from jupiter to judge or interprete truth for us. Gambians, yes, may be poor but not crazy. We can advance our discussion on Gambia by avoiding the name of Jammeh; an accident in history with big stains nobody likes. Anyone who refuses to take account of the suffering and pain meted out to Gambians by Jammeh, such a person is clear enemy of Gambians. In the name of youth, women, and special groups, we are sick and tired of the child jokes. Truth shall triupmh at end of day. Brothers and sisters, Jammeh is real enemy of Gambia with all evidence before our open eyes. If he was sincere enough, he would allowed more competent persons to take on a job he now finds impossible to man. No child jokes, we have to move on. Gambia forever!! |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 17:12:29
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Yes Karamba let's zoom back to planet Earth and face reality it is Yaya Jammeh who rules Gambia at present whether you or anyone likes it or not. When election time comes aroun once again remember to have your vote if you are indeed a Gambian Citizen.As the saying goes Presidents and Prime Ministers come and go. But the land lives on forever!
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 17:12:29
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Yes Karamba let's zoom back to planet Earth and face reality it is Yaya Jammeh who rules Gambia at present whether you or anyone likes it or not. When election time comes aroun once again remember to have your vote if you are indeed a Gambian Citizen.As the saying goes Presidents and Prime Ministers come and go. But the land lives on forever!
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 18:21:56
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| Voting only means something if it is free from fear and there is a worthwhile opposition. Although Gambians have a vote it is in reality a dictatorship. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 18:21:56
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| Voting only means something if it is free from fear and there is a worthwhile opposition. Although Gambians have a vote it is in reality a dictatorship. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 18:27:07
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Sister Omega, it is in the context of your last statement that I recognise the fact that we are not about individuals. For whatever reasons, you seem to bear too biased towards Jammeh much to the risk of loosing your sound opinion. I have no doubt that you have good views but they are clouded with bias. Jammeh or anyone who does what he is currently doing will not expect appreciation. He kills and steals. You seem not bothered about him killing so long he mounts up concrete jungles you choose to call development. If you retreat just for a moment, you will surely regain your rational balance and getting the big picure clear. Like you many others embraced Jammeh and later when they fall out of grace with him shifted platform. Good number of those who enjoyed with him and now fallen out of grace do wish that it did not happen before. There are genuine Gambians too who from day one never fall for the error of thinking Jammeh as head of state is right for Gambia. That is the lot Jammeh knows he is unable to tackle because they see beyond the clouds. Him being president for now is no pride to warrant all the bragging many of you lot portray. He found the position of president established and will have to leave it so. We cannot take the rampant killings and stealing of nationals and their resources. Concrete jungle development will not compensate loss of life and resources that make up a good and peaceful country. Gambians deserve better. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 18:27:07
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Sister Omega, it is in the context of your last statement that I recognise the fact that we are not about individuals. For whatever reasons, you seem to bear too biased towards Jammeh much to the risk of loosing your sound opinion. I have no doubt that you have good views but they are clouded with bias. Jammeh or anyone who does what he is currently doing will not expect appreciation. He kills and steals. You seem not bothered about him killing so long he mounts up concrete jungles you choose to call development. If you retreat just for a moment, you will surely regain your rational balance and getting the big picure clear. Like you many others embraced Jammeh and later when they fall out of grace with him shifted platform. Good number of those who enjoyed with him and now fallen out of grace do wish that it did not happen before. There are genuine Gambians too who from day one never fall for the error of thinking Jammeh as head of state is right for Gambia. That is the lot Jammeh knows he is unable to tackle because they see beyond the clouds. Him being president for now is no pride to warrant all the bragging many of you lot portray. He found the position of president established and will have to leave it so. We cannot take the rampant killings and stealing of nationals and their resources. Concrete jungle development will not compensate loss of life and resources that make up a good and peaceful country. Gambians deserve better. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 20:29:17
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Originally posted by Karamba
Beyond the dark concrete walls and buildings, clear sighted Gambians have our mind's eye set on the true bigger picture of reality. It is only adults with child minds who rejoice over gifts of candy sticks. Jammeh is not capable and never is he willing to develop Gambia. He is there to occupy the state seat and extending his long hands of corruption to get personally rich. In the process, he casts out images intended to persuade fools that it is development. To all you good Gambians, can't you make simple difference between peppery dust and refreshing sea breeze? We need no expert from jupiter to judge or interprete truth for. Gambians, yes, may be poor but not crazy. We can advance our discussion on Gambia by avoiding the name of Jammeh; an accident in history with big stains nobody likes. Anyone who refuses to take account of the suffering and pain meted out to Gambians by Jammeh, such a person is clear enemy of Gambians. In the name of youth, women, and special groups, we are sick and tired of the child jokes. Truth shall triupmh at end of day. Brothers and sisters, Jammeh is real enemy of Gambia with all evidence before our open eyes. If he was sincere enough, he would allowed more competent persons to take on a job he now finds impossible to man. No child jokes, we have to move on. Gambia forever!!
karamba ,thanks for the last call .i cannot make any further comment .there is still hope not every gambian will be a sell out.may be some people enjoy freedom soo much that they cannot tell the difference when one is oppressed.like gandi said '' freedom in pooverty is better than affluence in captivity''. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Edited by - Santanfara on 21 Apr 2007 21:51:06 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 20:29:17
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Originally posted by Karamba
Beyond the dark concrete walls and buildings, clear sighted Gambians have our mind's eye set on the true bigger picture of reality. It is only adults with child minds who rejoice over gifts of candy sticks. Jammeh is not capable and never is he willing to develop Gambia. He is there to occupy the state seat and extending his long hands of corruption to get personally rich. In the process, he casts out images intended to persuade fools that it is development. To all you good Gambians, can't you make simple difference between peppery dust and refreshing sea breeze? We need no expert from jupiter to judge or interprete truth for. Gambians, yes, may be poor but not crazy. We can advance our discussion on Gambia by avoiding the name of Jammeh; an accident in history with big stains nobody likes. Anyone who refuses to take account of the suffering and pain meted out to Gambians by Jammeh, such a person is clear enemy of Gambians. In the name of youth, women, and special groups, we are sick and tired of the child jokes. Truth shall triupmh at end of day. Brothers and sisters, Jammeh is real enemy of Gambia with all evidence before our open eyes. If he was sincere enough, he would allowed more competent persons to take on a job he now finds impossible to man. No child jokes, we have to move on. Gambia forever!!
karamba ,thanks for the last call .i cannot make any further comment .there is still hope not every gambian will be a sell out.may be some people enjoy freedom soo much that they cannot tell the difference when one is oppressed.like gandi said '' freedom in pooverty is better than affluence in captivity''. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
Edited by - Santanfara on 21 Apr 2007 21:51:06 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Apr 2007 : 20:51:01
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Originally posted by anna
Should this argument become so personal?
lady anna ,well we are not getting personal just factual. you see anna ,some times i use to argue with some of your opinion but that never make me take it personal with you.
when some one try his/her utmost best to make you accept tyranny then you need to react big time.
malcolm x once states that '' when the white americans throw a bone at the oppress blacks ,they forget instantly what happen to them for 400 years ''.
similarly you as an european knew very well how some of your ancestors die as result of fighting dictatorship and tyranny. from that of hitler,franco of spain,mosuline of italy,napolion of france and many other facist element who are willing to maim and kill for there personal satisfaction and evil ideology.many british son's and daugters lost there lifes ,many germans .hollanders ,french,and so on just because some people support the dictators doesn't make their actions justified.
for us now we have the same situation.the man yahya feel so inferior that he is willing to take on anybody deemed his enemy personally by using his long arms of the law enforecers to do his dirty works for him.we most speak out .let some brack about his achievemnets ,he will never achieve any thing more than what hitler achieve during his tyranny in germany. most american sciencitist were formerly germans ,most inventions took place during that time ,so boarsting about yahya's achievement is very baby like.
and after all it is not his personal income .i pay tax and so are many other decent gambians who are afraid to even use the computer since yaya make them paranoid.
just go to our embassy in london for any information ,thay will try to find out your political affiliation what kind of situation is this ? so if some one enjoying the freedom in britain wants us to zip it just because she is bewitched by yahya's cult personality then some times it gets personal.i don't have any grudges against the lady ,i don't even know her.
gambians want real freedom. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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