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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 21:00:30
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FGM is illegal in UK but I still feel a judge would be reluctant to be involved in what would be considered a cultural matter.
MUCH better to concentrate on the illness she has and the effect that would have on her life should she be returned to Gambia.
Is anyone who doesnt agree with you ignorant?! 
If we all agree all the time it just becomes a self indulgent love in! As mature adults we should be able to discuss issues without insulting anyone. Though you may disagree with my opinions I have never personally insulted anyone. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 21:36:25
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Gambiabev, How can you possibly know what the judge is going to decide?
My Gambian sister knows what impacts FGM could possible have on her health having witnessed her friends dying from the procedure. The United Nations has also declared that FGM is a Human Rights Violation and the UK has made the practice illegal. As a Judge he will have to go by both UK and International law and take all the facts into consideration ie. medical and social needs etc.
In the Gambian village where she comes they believe that her condition is caused by evil spirits and the only cure is FGM. And she has exercised her Human Right not to have it done to her. As she is a defenseless woman with hardly any family support how can she stop the procedure being done against her will by force? Which will undoubtedly happen to her if the village still retains these beliefs.
So Bev why are you advising her to omit this important fact from her case on Wednesday. Do you think that deportation is in her and the UK's best interest? If she were a white friend or relative of yours would you view the case in the same light?
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 21:40:58
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| Your last paragraph is beyond contempt and I wont reply to it. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 21:53:50
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Why did I hit a nerve? Didn't you know that even white women were onced forced to have FGM read your own history! http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_woman_mag?id=128543848
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/brady1/
Now gambiabev these are facts and guess what none of the subjects are about you. They are just facts. Now tell my Gambia sister that she should omit FGM from her appeal because it is a cultural matter. Let's face it women who buy products from Anna Shears in Britain would be circumcised in 19th Century.
Oh how you make me laugh with all your negative stereotypes they are so predictable. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 22:09:09
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| You seem to be a very angry person. Perhaps you need to deal with your own issues rather then project your anger onto me? |
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Bronx
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 22:17:10
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| Ladies...let it go. This is becoming personal between y'all. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 22:24:50
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toast99, you are indeed a very good person trying your best to help this poor Gambian woman. I really hope things will turn out good for her on Wednesday.
God bless you all.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 22:34:41
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Bronx this is not personal this a real situation affecting a real African woman facing deportation and bev with her condescending racist bigotted inflated ego wants everyone to feel sorry for her sorry ass. The sequence of the postings are misleading because I've edited my one to substantiate the fact that white women in 19th Century used to have FGM forced on them. Bev has decided to take this as a personal attack on herself. Because I asked her if one of her friends or relatives was threatened with FGM on returning home would she ask her to omit it from her appeal case to the Immigration office in the UK. As Gambianbev cannot confront her racism I thought I'd help her too see that my Gambia sister is a Human Being, just like her Sisters before her in England were subjected to FGM someone stood up for them to stop the practice. So women born in England of all different races are now protected under the law. And white women have erased the practice from their memories because the practice was stopped in 20th Century England.
That's just the facts recognised by those in the know about FGM. Now if Gambianbev can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Or simply think out her arguments without having to result to self-pitying girly tactics.
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Bronx
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 22:36:33
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| I will like to join Babylon in wishing Toast99's friend the best of luck in her case. Living in the US, I don't know much about UK immigration issues. But thats another story for another day. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 02:03:36
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Gambiabev,
Am sorry to say this but I have to say it.Some times YOU Europeans and Americans(maybe not you perticularly) are so selfish.Imagine 500 years ago when yor Ancestors were comming to us in Africa,they were never restricted.We gave you Gold,Diamond and even ourselves as yor slaves to develop yor countries.Now that you are developed,you no longer need us.Are you human?You took everything you wanted from us and threw us like garbage.We know what you want but remember do unto others as you would likes others to do unto you.You still come to us without any restrictions what so ever.But you great grandfahters created this kind of barriers so that we will be restricted from comming to you to beg 4 a way out of misery,poverty ect.You tought us your languages and said to us all forms of international communications and trade should be carried out in this language...even that langiuage,one cannot be allowed to come to learn because of yor restrictions.How do you expect us to develop so that we can peacefully leave your land and go back to Mother Africa with Her beautiful smiles?
I wish I had the means to support her to fight 4 her stay,(God will help her).How can one think of any heartles judge who will send her to that country--Gambia?Don't you people know people dissappear in the Gambia?What would happen if she get killed?How about her human rights.I know we are not includded in the Huamn Rights Act 1998 but you colonised us against our will.How about if we also bring proceedings against Her Royal Highness 4 colonisation,which is against all international law?
This is really not fair,European and American countries should allow serious hard working Africans who are not crime concious and pays tax and all allowances to the Goverments to stay and develop their respective countries.Rather than take billions of pounds and Dollars to African corrupt governments as dept relief.How can that help Africa.Goverments in Europe and America need to travel to Africa and see houses built by Africans working here.That is the way forward.Only that way,can Africa steadily walk on Her feet towards developmen.
MY APPEAL TO THE AUTHORITIES:pLEASE PLEASE FOR HUMANITY SKE,DON'T DEPORT HER TO BANJUL...IT WILL BE A LIVING HELL 4 HER .... YOU ARE NOW KNOWN WORLD WIDE TO HAVE BEEN CHAMPS. OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY,PROOF THAT TO US ALSO AND LET THIS POOR GIRL STAY...(GOD SAVE THE QUEEN)..
God will guide this girl even if she faces the must difficult judge,by looking into her face,his heart will transform into pity and will give her an indefinate stay..
peace.x
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 07:53:10
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You cant blame white people today for slavery. That would be like me blaming young germans today for the deaths of english men in the second world war. Of course they are not to blame. As I have said in previous postings my family background is working class and until the last generation very poor. PERHAPS it is possible to ask the ancestors of slave traders where they have profited from slavery to build their families wealth to apologise for their history...but even that has little meaning. Ordinary white people certainly have nothing to apologise for.
We need to look forward not back. There is still slavery today and trafficking of women for the sex trade...slavery under another name.
It would be a more positive thing to try to get this stopped than keep looking backwards....
Janyanfara....you use the term 'you europeans'........ doyou think we have a collective guilt?
If a Gambian wants to work in Uk and keeps to the terms of their visa then this is fine...no problem.
This is not hte case in the woman involved. She has over stayed her visa by 5 and half years...... doesnt work and uses the nhs and social services. SO she is not contributing anything..she is a drain on the system.
IF it is clear she will be killed on return to Gambia then obviously she should be allowed to stay on Humanitarian grounds.
IF it is clear that her health will suffer by returning then humanitarian grounds may also be called on.
I still think that if a way could be found for her to have some care in Gambia paid for by supporters in uk and if she could get the medical supplies sent over by supporters she MAY find that the warm Gambian weather would ease her condition..also the Gambian diet may be better than our western diet.
I am very concerned for her child. If her mother isnt capable of helping her, then who is caring for that child now? However the child was conceived, she has a responsiblity to her child.
Could her suporters in uk make a campaign and charity to sponsor her and her child in the Gambia?
I hope the judge deals with things compassionately and a solution can be found that is best for her and her child, taking into consideration her illness.
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toast99
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 10:45:40
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my friend is aware of these postings, and like my wife and I, wishes to thank kiwi01, serenata, twinkly, babylon, bronx, janyanfara and especially sister omega for their understanding, sympathy, advice, empathy and sincerity. The racist undertones of one postee are not worthy of even contempt, for further plays their heinous game. I am a white UK man and ashamed that these kinds of people still promote these kind of values, but if nothing else it teaches all of us, regardless of colour or creed to be vigilant. I am in touch with her solicitor this morning, and via promptings here, sister especially, I am pushing the Human Rights button, because surely if she is deported, and forceably undergoes FGM, the UK is condoning a Human Rights violation.
thank you all so very much! |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 11:17:20
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Thank you Janyanfara, things like this should be said every day to remind people!!
But please don't rip Gambiabev into peaces.I can understand where she is coming from, I used to have similar thoughts because I thought the world consists of Europe and US.This is simply because she hasn't had somebody to explain things to her from a different point of view.She has the interest, so just bring her onto the right track.Gambiabev, I don't mean that you have to agree to everything but if you broaden your horizon, your thinking will automatically change.
Like I wrote before, we(the West) are simply ignoring the fact that WE caused the current situation on this earth and WE have the means to change things but we don't (want to?).Look back in history:
Our forefathers took over Australia, erased nearly all Aboriginies...America, can anybody remember that North and Southamerica used to belong to the native Indians?Where are they now?
Of course our generation did not do all these things but we are just carrying on, not thinking that there is a huge part of this world that is not developed like EU and US.It makes me sad because now I know these things(being white)all I can do is educate.
We waste silly money in space travel, our everyday luxuries a.m.m but the real important things we don't care about.Human life should be more considered than the thought that we can't afford yet another holiday or new car......Our thinking has to change, we have the "power" to help but we are abusing this power.
Our system is fooling us in denying us the truth.We are manipulated to have a certain attitude and thinking.It is up to us to change things.
Gambiabev, lets imagine this lady had been deported.Is that fair?She has no right to medical treatment, no right to travel, all just because she was born in a different part of this world.If the West would make it easier or support the rest of the world with their basic needs and rights, many people would not do illegal things
IF NOBODY WANTS TO HELP AFRICA, AFRICANS WILL HELP THEMSELVES
Toast my thoughts are with your friend and I pray she will be happy.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 11:42:06
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I was bought up a Christian and now am a Humanist. The whole of my life I have put people before things...... I have my priorities well sorted out.
Just because I think there should be SOME limit on imigration to UK doesnt make me racist. I am concerned about our FINITE resourses and how the workers in Uk are going to pay for it all. We have an ageing population and there is already great concern about whether we as a country can afford the health care system as it is to be continued in future and whether we can afford a state pension for everyone. Every countries system has its breaking point.
I believe everyone has the right to speak their opinion for everyone else to consider. Mature debate in a democracy means that you listen to all without getting personal.
I have had many very personal things said against me, which if you knew me and you knew my life and my attitude to life you would find laughable. People on this Bantaba dont know me and would do well to keep personal comments out of their postings.
I say what i think and I am candid. I am liberal/ex christian, humanist, labout party member. I am a special needs teacher working with autistic children. I visit the Gambia and sponsor several peoples education and also support a nursery. I am 45. I have two daughters aged 16 and 20. I am divorced recently. I am originally from Leicester. I live in Yorkshire. I am vegetarian.
I think that is everything I have ever said about myself on Bantaba.
From that how do people deduce I am racist and anti Africa???? It is beyond me how people can make such statements.
I hope the lady is treated with compassion at her hearing and I hope the Humanitarian case gets listened to. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 11:49:56
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Twinkly you say if noone wants to help Africa than Africa will help itself.
Well my question then is why isnt the Gambian president doing more for his people? Why isnt he doing it right now?!
Why doesnt he get school transport sorted out?
Why dont school children get a free school lunch?
Why doesnt he pay for pencils and paper for the children to study with and books and computers?
And train Gambian teachers to teach in their own country?
etc etc etc etc etc
There is ALOT to be done.
Roads, transport, education, health, employment.......
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