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kondorong

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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 19:52:00
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Brox
Your posting is well seasoned and analytical typical of someone well rounded. I read it three times to better understand it. |
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 19:52:00
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Brox
Your posting is well seasoned and analytical typical of someone well rounded. I read it three times to better understand it. |
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BambaLaye

USA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 21:46:22
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Brother Modou's analysis of the causes and effects of NADD's failure is indubitably close to perfect for historical purposes.
What he and most of us failed to bring forth in the discourse is the role or lack there of other stake-holders in this saga. This was a remarkable instance of leadership incoherence within the NADD executive (all inclusive)but what role did WE play to help make the wrongs right? What was OUR role to help avoid the situation? This is where every sincere Gambian will have to start to make things right for any new set of leaders to come, if not, as they say in France...de ja vous, encore! There is nothing worng in bringing out the facts so long as "the facts" will help identify a focal point for rectification. Are WE willing to stand up and be at the forefront and take responsibility? |
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BambaLaye

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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 21:46:22
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All:
Brother Modou's analysis of the causes and effects of NADD's failure is indubitably close to perfect for historical purposes.
What he and most of us failed to bring forth in the discourse is the role or lack there of other stake-holders in this saga. This was a remarkable instance of leadership incoherence within the NADD executive (all inclusive)but what role did WE play to help make the wrongs right? What was OUR role to help avoid the situation? This is where every sincere Gambian will have to start to make things right for any new set of leaders to come, if not, as they say in France...de ja vous, encore! There is nothing worng in bringing out the facts so long as "the facts" will help identify a focal point for rectification. Are WE willing to stand up and be at the forefront and take responsibility? |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 23:36:39
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quote: Originally posted by BambaLaye
All:
Brother Modou's analysis of the causes and effects of NADD's failure is indubitably close to perfect for historical purposes.
What he and most of us failed to bring forth in the discourse is the role or lack there of other stake-holders in this saga. This was a remarkable instance of leadership incoherence within the NADD executive (all inclusive)but what role did WE play to help make the wrongs right? What was OUR role to help avoid the situation? This is where every sincere Gambian will have to start to make things right for any new set of leaders to come, if not, as they say in France...de ja vous, encore! There is nothing worng in bringing out the facts so long as "the facts" will help identify a focal point for rectification. Are WE willing to stand up and be at the forefront and take responsibility?
Bambalaye welcome back and I agree with you entirely. I am also in agreement with my learned friend Bronx on the role played by some silence people among NADD.
Bambalaye, I am on record saying that when Darobe started to break away members of the UDP should have put pressure on him to return to the table. I happen to believe that whatever happened was happening away from the negotiating table. That returning to the table and putting all other interest aside would have put lot of pressure on some who wanted to undermine NADD.
I mentioned that Darboe whole heartedly embraced NADD and the NADD idea, but the UDP executive were expecting nothing but Darboe as a selected candidate. This was inevitable had he stayed on the table and argue base on his merits. The fight would have been bitter but at the end of the day he would prevailed as a candidate.
There were different expectations from outside party militants especially those UDP supporters who were not willing to compromise anything less than a Darboe candidacy. We must look in the mirror and start pointing fingers at our own role. It was not helpful when groups who pretended to have access to financial resources were not willing to compromise. Honestly, as Bronx said the Gambian people and those of us who put so much energy and resources into the unity are the losers. We must all begin to put the blame game aside and look forward to a better future. Here we are still debating the pieces while the very people at the forefront are on endless vacation.
We should open up a fresh page and move forward for a better Gambia... |
Baldeh, "Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 23:36:39
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quote: Originally posted by BambaLaye
All:
Brother Modou's analysis of the causes and effects of NADD's failure is indubitably close to perfect for historical purposes.
What he and most of us failed to bring forth in the discourse is the role or lack there of other stake-holders in this saga. This was a remarkable instance of leadership incoherence within the NADD executive (all inclusive)but what role did WE play to help make the wrongs right? What was OUR role to help avoid the situation? This is where every sincere Gambian will have to start to make things right for any new set of leaders to come, if not, as they say in France...de ja vous, encore! There is nothing worng in bringing out the facts so long as "the facts" will help identify a focal point for rectification. Are WE willing to stand up and be at the forefront and take responsibility?
Bambalaye welcome back and I agree with you entirely. I am also in agreement with my learned friend Bronx on the role played by some silence people among NADD.
Bambalaye, I am on record saying that when Darobe started to break away members of the UDP should have put pressure on him to return to the table. I happen to believe that whatever happened was happening away from the negotiating table. That returning to the table and putting all other interest aside would have put lot of pressure on some who wanted to undermine NADD.
I mentioned that Darboe whole heartedly embraced NADD and the NADD idea, but the UDP executive were expecting nothing but Darboe as a selected candidate. This was inevitable had he stayed on the table and argue base on his merits. The fight would have been bitter but at the end of the day he would prevailed as a candidate.
There were different expectations from outside party militants especially those UDP supporters who were not willing to compromise anything less than a Darboe candidacy. We must look in the mirror and start pointing fingers at our own role. It was not helpful when groups who pretended to have access to financial resources were not willing to compromise. Honestly, as Bronx said the Gambian people and those of us who put so much energy and resources into the unity are the losers. We must all begin to put the blame game aside and look forward to a better future. Here we are still debating the pieces while the very people at the forefront are on endless vacation.
We should open up a fresh page and move forward for a better Gambia... |
Baldeh, "Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Dalton1

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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 23:44:29
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quote: Originally posted by BambaLaye
All:
Brother Modou's analysis of the causes and effects of NADD's failure is indubitably close to perfect for historical purposes.
What he and most of us failed to bring forth in the discourse is the role or lack there of other stake-holders in this saga. This was a remarkable instance of leadership incoherence within the NADD executive (all inclusive)but what role did WE play to help make the wrongs right? What was OUR role to help avoid the situation? This is where every sincere Gambian will have to start to make things right for any new set of leaders to come, if not, as they say in France...de ja vous, encore! There is nothing worng in bringing out the facts so long as "the facts" will help identify a focal point for rectification. Are WE willing to stand up and be at the forefront and take responsibility?
Bambalie,
Nice post for those that have the eyes to see. There is both extremism in selfishness, and lacking in unity spirit-for well known divisions, in addition to false representation of ideas or personalities.
"dew sangham suma waye laa" The type of thing we are used to . That's why let any play their loddo dice nicely cos Soceital weeds yet to be sprayed with herbicide. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1

3485 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 23:44:29
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quote: Originally posted by BambaLaye
All:
Brother Modou's analysis of the causes and effects of NADD's failure is indubitably close to perfect for historical purposes.
What he and most of us failed to bring forth in the discourse is the role or lack there of other stake-holders in this saga. This was a remarkable instance of leadership incoherence within the NADD executive (all inclusive)but what role did WE play to help make the wrongs right? What was OUR role to help avoid the situation? This is where every sincere Gambian will have to start to make things right for any new set of leaders to come, if not, as they say in France...de ja vous, encore! There is nothing worng in bringing out the facts so long as "the facts" will help identify a focal point for rectification. Are WE willing to stand up and be at the forefront and take responsibility?
Bambalie,
Nice post for those that have the eyes to see. There is both extremism in selfishness, and lacking in unity spirit-for well known divisions, in addition to false representation of ideas or personalities.
"dew sangham suma waye laa" The type of thing we are used to . That's why let any play their loddo dice nicely cos Soceital weeds yet to be sprayed with herbicide. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1

3485 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 00:04:48
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quote: "Bambalaye, I am on record saying that when Darobe started to break away members of the UDP should have put pressure on him to return to the table. I happen to believe that whatever happened was happening away from the negotiating table. That returning to the table and putting all other interest aside would have put lot of pressure on some who wanted to undermine NADD.
I mentioned that Darboe whole heartedly embraced NADD and the NADD idea, but the UDP executive were expecting nothing but Darboe as a selected candidate. This was inevitable had he stayed on the table and argue base on his merits. The fight would have been bitter but at the end of the day he would prevailed as a candidate.
There were different expectations from outside party militants especially those UDP supporters who were not willing to compromise anything less than a Darboe candidacy. We must look in the mirror and start pointing fingers at our own role. It was not helpful when groups who pretended to have access to financial resources were not willing to compromise. Honestly, as Bronx said the Gambian people and those of us who put so much energy and resources into the unity are the losers. We must all begin to put the blame game aside and look forward to a better future. Here we are still debating the pieces while the very people at the forefront are on endless vacation.
We should open up a fresh page and move forward for a better Gambia..." Demba
Demba,
nice post, and we posted simultaneously.
Lobbists can only see one side of the coin. It was the 'honesty' and 'sincereity' spirit that was lacking. In as much we all agree that they unanimously committed the blunder; committed by all those that presided over the affairs, the degree of spoiling differs like day and night. "Pretended" or "false" unity can never flourish. While others were real in things, others were faking the situation, and lobbying for heaven.
Now, lets see how many of them will resign? That's where sincerity and humbleness will start. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1

3485 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 00:04:48
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quote: "Bambalaye, I am on record saying that when Darobe started to break away members of the UDP should have put pressure on him to return to the table. I happen to believe that whatever happened was happening away from the negotiating table. That returning to the table and putting all other interest aside would have put lot of pressure on some who wanted to undermine NADD.
I mentioned that Darboe whole heartedly embraced NADD and the NADD idea, but the UDP executive were expecting nothing but Darboe as a selected candidate. This was inevitable had he stayed on the table and argue base on his merits. The fight would have been bitter but at the end of the day he would prevailed as a candidate.
There were different expectations from outside party militants especially those UDP supporters who were not willing to compromise anything less than a Darboe candidacy. We must look in the mirror and start pointing fingers at our own role. It was not helpful when groups who pretended to have access to financial resources were not willing to compromise. Honestly, as Bronx said the Gambian people and those of us who put so much energy and resources into the unity are the losers. We must all begin to put the blame game aside and look forward to a better future. Here we are still debating the pieces while the very people at the forefront are on endless vacation.
We should open up a fresh page and move forward for a better Gambia..." Demba
Demba,
nice post, and we posted simultaneously.
Lobbists can only see one side of the coin. It was the 'honesty' and 'sincereity' spirit that was lacking. In as much we all agree that they unanimously committed the blunder; committed by all those that presided over the affairs, the degree of spoiling differs like day and night. "Pretended" or "false" unity can never flourish. While others were real in things, others were faking the situation, and lobbying for heaven.
Now, lets see how many of them will resign? That's where sincerity and humbleness will start. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 14:29:37
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quote: Originally posted by Bronx
There is more to the story of NADD's break up than the intellectual acumen or lack thereof of the constituent party leaders. We can debate this ad nasaeum and nothing good will come out of it. I personally don't believe NADD broke up because of some deep seeded animosity between Ousainou and Halifa: au contraire, I think it broke up because of the underlining tactics that certain individuals employed to undermine others. Granted,you can call it politics, but in a situation such as the one we found ourselves in during the negotiations, it could make or break a delicate truce. The later is what happened in NADD's situation and Gambians and Gambia for that matter became the losers of insidious politicking.
Brothers and sisters, All I red about the formation and election of NADD representation was wrong and undemocratic. I feel that leadership should have be elected at a congress. This was never the case. NAAD failed to look into the technicalities of formaing a coalitation. The way everything went was behind the voters. It was only executive members of the parties that were present and had deciaded to have a coalitation. I had hoped that they had consulted their party members at a congress. The party members must have the upper hand when it comes to forming a coalitation with other parties. You do not need to be a Phd or Ma or BA. All you need as a leader is to have what we call SOCIAL COMPETENS. Earlier on , I had said that NAAD was going to fail. My postings can be found on the All Gambian forum. The postings I hope are still on. Remember, I am not a voter in the Gambia and supports all parties with sensible and reasonable programs for the Gambia. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 14:29:37
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quote: Originally posted by Bronx
There is more to the story of NADD's break up than the intellectual acumen or lack thereof of the constituent party leaders. We can debate this ad nasaeum and nothing good will come out of it. I personally don't believe NADD broke up because of some deep seeded animosity between Ousainou and Halifa: au contraire, I think it broke up because of the underlining tactics that certain individuals employed to undermine others. Granted,you can call it politics, but in a situation such as the one we found ourselves in during the negotiations, it could make or break a delicate truce. The later is what happened in NADD's situation and Gambians and Gambia for that matter became the losers of insidious politicking.
Brothers and sisters, All I red about the formation and election of NADD representation was wrong and undemocratic. I feel that leadership should have be elected at a congress. This was never the case. NAAD failed to look into the technicalities of formaing a coalitation. The way everything went was behind the voters. It was only executive members of the parties that were present and had deciaded to have a coalitation. I had hoped that they had consulted their party members at a congress. The party members must have the upper hand when it comes to forming a coalitation with other parties. You do not need to be a Phd or Ma or BA. All you need as a leader is to have what we call SOCIAL COMPETENS. Earlier on , I had said that NAAD was going to fail. My postings can be found on the All Gambian forum. The postings I hope are still on. Remember, I am not a voter in the Gambia and supports all parties with sensible and reasonable programs for the Gambia. |
Edited by - Alhassan on 21 Feb 2007 14:33:28 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 15:30:56
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Brothers and sisters, All I red about the formation and election of NADD representation was wrong and undemocratic. I feel that leadership should have be elected at a congress. This was never the case. NAAD failed to look into the technicalities of formaing a coalitation. The way everything went was behind the voters. It was only executive members of the parties that were present and had deciaded to have a coalitation. I had hoped that they had consulted their party members at a congress. The party members must have the upper hand when it comes to forming a coalitation with other parties. You do not need to be a Phd or Ma or BA. All you need as a leader is to have what we call SOCIAL COMPETENS. Earlier on , I had said that NAAD was going to fail. My postings can be found on the All Gambian forum. The postings I hope are still on. Remember, I am not a voter in the Gambia and supports all parties with sensible and reasonable programs for the Gambia.
Alhassan, they were not willing to do that because most of them have limited or no structures on the ground. UDP is the only opposition party that has structures throughout the length and breadth of the Gambia, save for Foni. The idea of forming a committee to draw a criteria and then decides who fit in and who doesn't was just a way of thwarting the prospect of a primary, which would have being fatal to the agendas of conspiracy groups. Some might say 'but the UDP could have resisted this since every decision was to be based on unanimity'. I think that argument is preposterous given that election was just at the door while the opposition was trapped in endless meetings. This cost the UDP a lot for it provided an opportunity for the APRC to penetrate their support base, and indeed they did. Mr Darboe and the UDP were very concern about this but they still felt obliged to keep their party activities on hold in line with NADD's code of conduct. When it became abundantly clear that progress within NADD is at odds with time, they decided to do the right thing. I am behind them.
I am willing to accept the suggestion that we should open a new page but I will be dismisive of any suggestion that it is Darboe and the UDP who are largely responsible for what had happened. If that is the new position of the spinning misinformers, then any future call for opposition unity will inevitably fail. There is nothing to be objective about here. The UDP and Mr Darboe are simply not culpable.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 15:30:56
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Brothers and sisters, All I red about the formation and election of NADD representation was wrong and undemocratic. I feel that leadership should have be elected at a congress. This was never the case. NAAD failed to look into the technicalities of formaing a coalitation. The way everything went was behind the voters. It was only executive members of the parties that were present and had deciaded to have a coalitation. I had hoped that they had consulted their party members at a congress. The party members must have the upper hand when it comes to forming a coalitation with other parties. You do not need to be a Phd or Ma or BA. All you need as a leader is to have what we call SOCIAL COMPETENS. Earlier on , I had said that NAAD was going to fail. My postings can be found on the All Gambian forum. The postings I hope are still on. Remember, I am not a voter in the Gambia and supports all parties with sensible and reasonable programs for the Gambia.
Alhassan, they were not willing to do that because most of them have limited or no structures on the ground. UDP is the only opposition party that has structures throughout the length and breadth of the Gambia, save for Foni. The idea of forming a committee to draw a criteria and then decides who fit in and who doesn't was just a way of thwarting the prospect of a primary, which would have being fatal to the agendas of conspiracy groups. Some might say 'but the UDP could have resisted this since every decision was to be based on unanimity'. I think that argument is preposterous given that election was just at the door while the opposition was trapped in endless meetings. This cost the UDP a lot for it provided an opportunity for the APRC to penetrate their support base, and indeed they did. Mr Darboe and the UDP were very concern about this but they still felt obliged to keep their party activities on hold in line with NADD's code of conduct. When it became abundantly clear that progress within NADD is at odds with time, they decided to do the right thing. I am behind them.
I am willing to accept the suggestion that we should open a new page but I will be dismisive of any suggestion that it is Darboe and the UDP who are largely responsible for what had happened. If that is the new position of the spinning misinformers, then any future call for opposition unity will inevitably fail. There is nothing to be objective about here. The UDP and Mr Darboe are simply not culpable.
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 16:05:28
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quote: Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna Alhassan, they were not willing to do that because most of them have limited or no structures on the ground. UDP is the only opposition party that has structures throughout the length and breadth of the Gambia, save for Foni. The idea of forming a committee to draw a criteria and then decides who fit in and who doesn't was just a way of thwarting the prospect of a primary, which would have being fatal to the agendas of conspiracy groups. Some might say 'but the UDP could have resisted this since every decision was to be based on unanimity'. I think that argument is preposterous given that election was just at the door while the opposition was trapped in endless meetings. This cost the UDP a lot for it provided an opportunity for the APRC to penetrate their support base, and indeed they did. Mr Darboe and the UDP were very concern about this but they still felt obliged to keep their party activities on hold in line with NADD's code of conduct. When it became abundantly clear that progress within NADD is at odds with time, they decided to do the right thing. I am behind them.
I am willing to accept the suggestion that we should open a new page but I will be dismisive of any suggestion that it is Darboe and the UDP who are largely responsible for what had happened. If that is the new position of the spinning misinformers, then any future call for opposition unity will inevitably fail. There is nothing to be objective about here. The UDP and Mr Darboe are simply not culpable.
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Nyarikangbanna, i AGREE WITH YOU A 100%. All those who were at these meetings were responsible. It is easy to blame Darboe today, but he has better chances. I have nothing against people but sometimes some people seem to depend too much on Dr. Abdoulaye Saine , who was a strong supporter of the former PPP. I think we Gambians think if you are not Phd or so , you cannot lead people. We have seen proofs to the opposite. Those in the US cannot decide for the Gambians. All politicians who depends on the Gambians in the diaspora has nothing to count on. Mos of us are just paper tigers. Why has Dr. Saine not gone home and join politics if he is so concerned? Gambians at home have seen through the fingers that is why the results are as they are. |
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