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Bronx
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 Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 18:03:37
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Shaka and Baldeh,
You guys need to get off that pedestal you perk yourselves onto. You have not done anything for the Gambia that the people you described as loud mouths haven't. You can huff and puff all you want. Call people's comprehension skills into question to your hearts content. It doesn't change the fact that we as a people cannot uniformly agree on all issues pertaining to that sliver of land we call home. We have to disagree without been disagreeable.
You may dislike the Mathew Jallows and yours truly, but don't for a second think that you have an edge in reasoning. Stop this my way or the highway mentality and a common consensus will emerge. Labeling your adversaries in a debate as pessimist or loudmouths will not win you any brownie points nor will it move the debate into positive territory.
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Bronx
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 18:03:37
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Shaka and Baldeh,
You guys need to get off that pedestal you perk yourselves onto. You have not done anything for the Gambia that the people you described as loud mouths haven't. You can huff and puff all you want. Call people's comprehension skills into question to your hearts content. It doesn't change the fact that we as a people cannot uniformly agree on all issues pertaining to that sliver of land we call home. We have to disagree without been disagreeable.
You may dislike the Mathew Jallows and yours truly, but don't for a second think that you have an edge in reasoning. Stop this my way or the highway mentality and a common consensus will emerge. Labeling your adversaries in a debate as pessimist or loudmouths will not win you any brownie points nor will it move the debate into positive territory.
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ebou4th
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:24:19
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How about we start putting forward ideas that we think will work. This is my challenge to all of you. What do you think will break this political impasse?
Instead of the name calling let each an every one submit a solution that will work. Upon submitting these solutions we can start a productive debate about which solution is the best. This I believe will prove to be a more productive debate that the current one.
Call me a naive idealist but I believe we can come to an agreement. I fervently believe it should start with us in the Diaspora.
So Brother Bronx, Dbaldeh, Shaka, Nyarikangbanna, Momodou and every one else have your say!
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:24:19
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How about we start putting forward ideas that we think will work. This is my challenge to all of you. What do you think will break this political impasse?
Instead of the name calling let each an every one submit a solution that will work. Upon submitting these solutions we can start a productive debate about which solution is the best. This I believe will prove to be a more productive debate that the current one.
Call me a naive idealist but I believe we can come to an agreement. I fervently believe it should start with us in the Diaspora.
So Brother Bronx, Dbaldeh, Shaka, Nyarikangbanna, Momodou and every one else have your say!
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:32:39
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Originally posted by Bronx
Shaka and Baldeh,
You guys need to get off that pedestal you perk yourselves onto. You have not done anything for the Gambia that the people you described as loud mouths haven't. You can huff and puff all you want. Call people's comprehension skills into question to your hearts content. It doesn't change the fact that we as a people cannot uniformly agree on all issues pertaining to that sliver of land we call home. We have to disagree without been disagreeable.
You may dislike the Mathew Jallows and yours truly, but don't for a second think that you have an edge in reasoning. Stop this my way or the highway mentality and a common consensus will emerge. Labeling your adversaries in a debate as pessimist or loudmouths will not win you any brownie points nor will it move the debate into positive territory.
Bronx, thank you for reflecting in the mirror. Sometimes we have to mirror ourselves to see others' point of view. This is exactly what we have been speaking loud and clear about. It is people like Mathew, Nyarikangbanna and many others in your camp that clearly took the stand of "my way or the highway". Which camp was more pessimist about the MOU and the coalition? Which camp clearly stated without So and so candidate selected there cannot be unity?
Would you kindly go back and read Mathew's divisive writings regarding the coalition. I am no stranger to Mathew and I can only regard him as an elder folk to us. However, we know each other and he has been a controversial figure all his life. Do you remember him while he was at the daily observer in Gambia? May be not, but I do.
You are very right, the question here is "we as a people cannot uniformly agree on all issues pertaining to that sliver of land we call home. We have to disagree without been disagreeable" You must be kidding right? Where was this genuine call to disagree without been diagreement when people unceremoniously walked away from the biggest stake our nation had ever had on the table? Come on brother Bronx. Sometimes you have to call people for what they are. We have nothing to gain by being where we are today. We should have been more open minded when it matters the most and that is Shaka's point and mind as well. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:32:39
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Originally posted by Bronx
Shaka and Baldeh,
You guys need to get off that pedestal you perk yourselves onto. You have not done anything for the Gambia that the people you described as loud mouths haven't. You can huff and puff all you want. Call people's comprehension skills into question to your hearts content. It doesn't change the fact that we as a people cannot uniformly agree on all issues pertaining to that sliver of land we call home. We have to disagree without been disagreeable.
You may dislike the Mathew Jallows and yours truly, but don't for a second think that you have an edge in reasoning. Stop this my way or the highway mentality and a common consensus will emerge. Labeling your adversaries in a debate as pessimist or loudmouths will not win you any brownie points nor will it move the debate into positive territory.
Bronx, thank you for reflecting in the mirror. Sometimes we have to mirror ourselves to see others' point of view. This is exactly what we have been speaking loud and clear about. It is people like Mathew, Nyarikangbanna and many others in your camp that clearly took the stand of "my way or the highway". Which camp was more pessimist about the MOU and the coalition? Which camp clearly stated without So and so candidate selected there cannot be unity?
Would you kindly go back and read Mathew's divisive writings regarding the coalition. I am no stranger to Mathew and I can only regard him as an elder folk to us. However, we know each other and he has been a controversial figure all his life. Do you remember him while he was at the daily observer in Gambia? May be not, but I do.
You are very right, the question here is "we as a people cannot uniformly agree on all issues pertaining to that sliver of land we call home. We have to disagree without been disagreeable" You must be kidding right? Where was this genuine call to disagree without been diagreement when people unceremoniously walked away from the biggest stake our nation had ever had on the table? Come on brother Bronx. Sometimes you have to call people for what they are. We have nothing to gain by being where we are today. We should have been more open minded when it matters the most and that is Shaka's point and mind as well. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Bronx
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:41:23
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Baldeh wrote:
We should have been more open minded when it matters the most and that is Shaka's point and mind as well.
My point all along was there were nefarious acts from all parties to NADD. Having said that, I am also a realist and the reality is that it didn't work. We found ourselves at an impasse. We could either point fingers and debate ad infinitum what could have been or come up with solutions to a common problem.
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Bronx
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:41:23
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Baldeh wrote:
We should have been more open minded when it matters the most and that is Shaka's point and mind as well.
My point all along was there were nefarious acts from all parties to NADD. Having said that, I am also a realist and the reality is that it didn't work. We found ourselves at an impasse. We could either point fingers and debate ad infinitum what could have been or come up with solutions to a common problem.
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:51:05
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Originally posted by ebou4th
How about we start putting forward ideas that we think will work. This is my challenge to all of you. What do you think will break this political impasse?
Instead of the name calling let each an every one submit a solution that will work. Upon submitting these solutions we can start a productive debate about which solution is the best. This I believe will prove to be a more productive debate that the current one.
Call me a naive idealist but I believe we can come to an agreement. I fervently believe it should start with us in the Diaspora.
So Brother Bronx, Dbaldeh, Shaka, Nyarikangbanna, Momodou and every one else have your say!
Ebou, you got my vote and unconditional support. I think it is sometimes necessary to iron out some of these ideological differences before we get to the table. We must know and understand the stand of the people we are going to be working with. It is like racism or reconcialition. It cannot be understood and resolve without people forthcoming with their ideas and letting go of the prejudice. Once we come to a common agreement, then we are ready to move forward.
In that spirit of putting positive energy to work, I would suggest we rely on Admin. Momodou to help us come up with some kind of a template or email distribution where we can have interested people sign up so we can have a wider network in coordinating people. Example of a template will be an email distribution where one can read and sign their info. to participate in shaping the future of our nation. We must be Nationalist and not partisan in doing this. What say you all and Admin??? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:51:05
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quote:
Originally posted by ebou4th
How about we start putting forward ideas that we think will work. This is my challenge to all of you. What do you think will break this political impasse?
Instead of the name calling let each an every one submit a solution that will work. Upon submitting these solutions we can start a productive debate about which solution is the best. This I believe will prove to be a more productive debate that the current one.
Call me a naive idealist but I believe we can come to an agreement. I fervently believe it should start with us in the Diaspora.
So Brother Bronx, Dbaldeh, Shaka, Nyarikangbanna, Momodou and every one else have your say!
Ebou, you got my vote and unconditional support. I think it is sometimes necessary to iron out some of these ideological differences before we get to the table. We must know and understand the stand of the people we are going to be working with. It is like racism or reconcialition. It cannot be understood and resolve without people forthcoming with their ideas and letting go of the prejudice. Once we come to a common agreement, then we are ready to move forward.
In that spirit of putting positive energy to work, I would suggest we rely on Admin. Momodou to help us come up with some kind of a template or email distribution where we can have interested people sign up so we can have a wider network in coordinating people. Example of a template will be an email distribution where one can read and sign their info. to participate in shaping the future of our nation. We must be Nationalist and not partisan in doing this. What say you all and Admin??? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:55:00
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Originally posted by Bronx
Baldeh wrote:
We should have been more open minded when it matters the most and that is Shaka's point and mind as well.
My point all along was there were nefarious acts from all parties to NADD. Having said that, I am also a realist and the reality is that it didn't work. We found ourselves at an impasse. We could either point fingers and debate ad infinitum what could have been or come up with solutions to a common problem.
Bronx, good to know you are a realist. Yes, it did not work, but would you agree with little more effort and give and take it can work? That is the point, we know the idea was and is still sellable. Then lets get to work and get something done my fellow realist. What say you to Ebou's suggestion? Can you join us in coordinating this effort??? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 19:55:00
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Originally posted by Bronx
Baldeh wrote:
We should have been more open minded when it matters the most and that is Shaka's point and mind as well.
My point all along was there were nefarious acts from all parties to NADD. Having said that, I am also a realist and the reality is that it didn't work. We found ourselves at an impasse. We could either point fingers and debate ad infinitum what could have been or come up with solutions to a common problem.
Bronx, good to know you are a realist. Yes, it did not work, but would you agree with little more effort and give and take it can work? That is the point, we know the idea was and is still sellable. Then lets get to work and get something done my fellow realist. What say you to Ebou's suggestion? Can you join us in coordinating this effort??? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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BambaLaye
USA
100 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 20:22:15
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Originally posted by ebou4th
How about we start putting forward ideas that we think will work. This is my challenge to all of you. What do you think will break this political impasse?
Instead of the name calling let each an every one submit a solution that will work. Upon submitting these solutions we can start a productive debate about which solution is the best. This I believe will prove to be a more productive debate that the current one.
Call me a naive idealist but I believe we can come to an agreement. I fervently believe it should start with us in the Diaspora.
So Brother Bronx, Dbaldeh, Shaka, Nyarikangbanna, Momodou and every one else have your say!
I think we can start by organizing ourselves first by getting in touch with folks at STGDP, MRDG-NY, MRDG-UK, etc. or form a new group to tackle the task ahead. Committment, sacrifice and dedication will be the key to see the end. When we lack these attributes in ourselves, we should not even bother to try. It took a few good dedicated individuals to take the lead with STGDP to get to where they got. I see no reason why that cannot be done again, be it the same few (I would rather we have new faces and new brains)folks again or new folks joining in. Perhaps, we need to see how we can bring all these organizations together under one umbrella then seek COMMITTMENT from dedicated individuals who are ready to take the lead.
Another area to look at is a thorough study of the political situation in The Gambia. We act as of we know exactly what pertains in Gambia, but we lack factual experience as to what happens in the nook and cranny. The past elections have changed the political mentality of the average Gambian into lassitude and nonchalance (I believe this has always been the case)and we must keep this in mind if we are to get off a better start.....an then there is the need to have fresh players or political leaders with a changed focus...... |
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BambaLaye
USA
100 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 20:22:15
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Originally posted by ebou4th
How about we start putting forward ideas that we think will work. This is my challenge to all of you. What do you think will break this political impasse?
Instead of the name calling let each an every one submit a solution that will work. Upon submitting these solutions we can start a productive debate about which solution is the best. This I believe will prove to be a more productive debate that the current one.
Call me a naive idealist but I believe we can come to an agreement. I fervently believe it should start with us in the Diaspora.
So Brother Bronx, Dbaldeh, Shaka, Nyarikangbanna, Momodou and every one else have your say!
I think we can start by organizing ourselves first by getting in touch with folks at STGDP, MRDG-NY, MRDG-UK, etc. or form a new group to tackle the task ahead. Committment, sacrifice and dedication will be the key to see the end. When we lack these attributes in ourselves, we should not even bother to try. It took a few good dedicated individuals to take the lead with STGDP to get to where they got. I see no reason why that cannot be done again, be it the same few (I would rather we have new faces and new brains)folks again or new folks joining in. Perhaps, we need to see how we can bring all these organizations together under one umbrella then seek COMMITTMENT from dedicated individuals who are ready to take the lead.
Another area to look at is a thorough study of the political situation in The Gambia. We act as of we know exactly what pertains in Gambia, but we lack factual experience as to what happens in the nook and cranny. The past elections have changed the political mentality of the average Gambian into lassitude and nonchalance (I believe this has always been the case)and we must keep this in mind if we are to get off a better start.....an then there is the need to have fresh players or political leaders with a changed focus...... |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 21:32:13
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Originally posted by SANTANFARA
nyari ,i thank you for bringing to the bantaba the udp's manifesto. i never read it ,because i though they did not put any together. it is good for us to clarify the different political parties stand point and how they all square up . this manifesto seems good enough .
Santafara, you are welcome. This just shows that the absurd claim held by Ayatollah Sallah's disciples that UDP is all about a Ousainu Darboe presidential dream [as they always put it], is a palpable lie.
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