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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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 Posted - 29 Apr 2006 : 20:31:43
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| you are right Bamba women and money. |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 : 20:37:16
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| Then shame on all the languages that have it as a proverb. U, kassma, hardly speak any Gambian language fluently. One dosent need to go further. Try to pull yourself out of cultural surrender. That's probably your main task. Viewing your Gambian culture with American eyes will never help u come back to where u belong. |
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kassma
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 : 21:49:48
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Originally posted by bamba
Then shame on all the languages that have it as a proverb. U, kassma, hardly speak any Gambian language fluently. One dosent need to go further. Try to pull yourself out of cultural surrender. That's probably your main task. Viewing your Gambian culture with American eyes will never help u come back to where u belong.
i have no problem looking at Gambian culture with my Gambian eyes but understanding my culture does not mean i have to advocate or stand for sexism. what an ignorant thing to say, "i'm so cautious about women and money that i'm cautious with my friends wives". how ignorant! that is sexist and not true especially coming from a culture and society where the man handles the finances in the home. bamba, really, think before you speak. your culture being sexist does not excuse YOU being sexist.
so i'm the one who's is culturally surrendered, are you kidding me. i'm the one here who advocates for our languages being taught in school. i'm the Gambian, who thinks our languages are good enough for the children to read and write it so that they can express themselves in their natural tongues. most of you on the other hand are afraid that it will be too much hard work (thank goodness for me, being afraid of hard work is a Gambian trait i not to have) or that it will handicap the children in some way.
i'm the one who advocates for women's right because i KNOW that before islam and the west came, both highly patriarchical cultures, that african women had more rights. and weren't it for these other cultures you would not be sitting here talking nonsense about the sex that took care of you from birth, fed you, nutured you so you can sit here and talk smack.
being raised away from Gambia makes me feel more culturally proud than most Gambians my age who are dying to be Americanized or who view america with dreamy eyes or who simply view america as culturally superior. back off,okay, just because i didn't have the priviledge to be raised in Gambia doesn't make me 1% less Gambian than you.
the problem with us africans is that we've let so many cultures influence us, we don't value ourselves enough. i don't have that problem. i'm not the 30 year old and over, sitting here complaining about this that and the other when i could easily get up and do something. |
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kassma
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 : 21:52:51
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Originally posted by bamba
Then shame on all the languages that have it as a proverb. U, kassma, hardly speak any Gambian language fluently. One dosent need to go further. Try to pull yourself out of cultural surrender. That's probably your main task. Viewing your Gambian culture with American eyes will never help u come back to where u belong.
just because i don't know how to say virgin or virginity in wolof, don't fool yourself into thinking that i can't speak wolof fluently. some of you act like i'm adopted or something. nope,some my beautiful Gambian family is here and i was still raised by Gambians. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 : 22:11:06
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Originally posted by kassma
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Originally posted by bamba
Then shame on all the languages that have it as a proverb. U, kassma, hardly speak any Gambian language fluently. One dosent need to go further. Try to pull yourself out of cultural surrender. That's probably your main task. Viewing your Gambian culture with American eyes will never help u come back to where u belong.
just because i don't know how to say virgin or virginity in wolof, don't fool yourself into thinking that i can't speak wolof fluently. some of you act like i'm adopted or something. nope,some my beautiful Gambian family is here and i was still raised by Gambians.
Do I detect a small case of sour grapes with these exchanges?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kassma
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Posted - 29 Apr 2006 : 22:18:59
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Originally posted by toubab1020
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Originally posted by kassma
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Originally posted by bamba
Then shame on all the languages that have it as a proverb. U, kassma, hardly speak any Gambian language fluently. One dosent need to go further. Try to pull yourself out of cultural surrender. That's probably your main task. Viewing your Gambian culture with American eyes will never help u come back to where u belong.
just because i don't know how to say virgin or virginity in wolof, don't fool yourself into thinking that i can't speak wolof fluently. some of you act like i'm adopted or something. nope,some my beautiful Gambian family is here and i was still raised by Gambians.
Do I detect a small case of sour grapes with these exchanges?
yeah you do, so what? we not the first ones on here to have an argument, or are we? |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 01:03:34
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| Baby kassma gambians raise their children to respect their elders unlike the yanks. |
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Tunde
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 04:28:50
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Originally posted by bamba
Then shame on all the languages that have it as a proverb. U, kassma, hardly speak any Gambian language fluently. One dosent need to go further. Try to pull yourself out of cultural surrender. That's probably your main task. Viewing your Gambian culture with American eyes will never help u come back to where u belong.
lemontime, you're immature. african adults need to learn that being older doesn't always mean you're always right. she's young but she has more sense than you.
bamba, You're definitely sexist. i agree with the sexism thing too. |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 10:59:56
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This topic is heating up and getting to deeper ends, I therefore can’t just let it pass by. If citations of proverbs in all Gambian languages make me sexist, then I don’t understand your definition of sexism. Starting with Tunde, I assume you speak the Aku language, our Gambian English Creole. It’s said in Aku, “money en woman kin day mix person”. In Wolof, “halis ak gigain da njor jahaseh nit ak nit”. In mandinka, “koedoe ning musoe ka mole bulandi njorla lay”. For the benefit of our non-Gambian list members, the aforementioned proverbs in three Gambian languages simply mean, “money and women can potentially pit people against one and other”. If Gambia’s new found feminism makes the mention of such proverbs a taboo, then feminism in Gambia is heading for trouble. The already turbulent political situation in Gambia is making room for an encroaching extreme feminism.
And Tunde, I don’t think Lemon lime is immature. The raising of kids in America and the west is totally different from what it is in Gambia.
Childhood in the Gambia is a passage where parents are entirely responsible for the upbringing of kids without state subsidies. This explains the passivity of kids during childhood in Gambia. Parents pay everything and are supposed to mould their kids for a better future in life. No-one is saying, and repeat, no-one is saying that Gambian kids are unwise. The parents are left with the entire responsibilities of raising them.
In the west, states pay kids allowances and therefore have the right to legislate laws governing their upbringing. Taking it to higher level, donor countries, because of the monies they pour in, dictate the policies of recipient countries. It’s apparently natural to interfere with where one spends ones monies.
If sexism, feminism, especially the extremely radical types, are to be imported in Africa without purging the fits and misfits, am afraid then Africa will be heading for the multiplication of troubles.
I’ll come to back to Kassma’s routine nasty responses bordering to insult later, am just getting up.
Please oversee any mistake, I still have to full wake up from sleep.
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 11:59:53
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Just because it is a common thing that women are thought of as "trouble", doesn't mean it's not true.It's something negative, so we all have to jump again and complain.
Let's just accept that fact, nobody said that YOU and ME are that kind of woman, it's a general statement again.
I witnessed this several times, brothers getting on very well among each other, and the wives stiring up problems for the men.Does this mean EVERY woman is like this? Certainly not!
But it is a fact, and if we accept the facts we can think about it and if need be, change this fact to become history.
Think of alcoholics in the West.If they are in denial that they are alkies, then there is no way they can change.
Bamba, your way of explaining things shows that you have great understanding of (obviously) your own culture AND how to bring things across to non-Gambians.I like your style very much.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 12:02:18
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Originally posted by bamba
The raising of kids in America and the west is totally different from what it is in Gambia.
Childhood in the Gambia is a passage where parents are entirely responsible for the upbringing of kids without state subsides. This explains the passivity of kids during childhood in Gambia. Parents pay everything and are supposed to mould their kids for a better future in life. No-one is saying, and repeat, no-one is saying that Gambian kids are unwise. The parents are left with the entire responsibilities of raising them.
In the west, states pay kids allowances and therefore have the right to legislate laws governing their upbringing. Taking it to higher level, donor countries, because of the monies they pour in, dictate the policies of recipient countries. It’s apparently natural to interfere with where one spends ones monies.
If sexism, feminism, especially the extremely radical types, are to be imported in Africa without purging the fits and misfits, am afraid then Africa will heading be for the multiplication of troubles.
i agree all of the above is true |
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inez
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 12:46:41
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Originally posted by bamba
[For the benefit of our non-Gambian list members, the aforementioned proverbs in three Gambian languages simply mean, “money and women can potentially pit people against one and other”. If Gambia’s new found feminism makes the mention of such proverbs a taboo, then feminism in Gambia is heading for trouble. The already turbulent political situation in Gambia is making room for an encroaching extreme feminism.
...pit people against one and other...do you mean pit men against one and other? I think that says more about men and their character than about women but maybe that´s only my opinion. Or maybe I missunderstod something? And men never pit people/women  against one and other? I have experienced that so many times...friends get married and then their husbands start separating her from her old friends and even stop her from having some new friends...(because there is always something wrong with friends) at the end all people around her are his friends and his family...talk about full control.
and twinkly, u seen wiwes making brothers fight...did u see the whole thing or only the result. is it impossible that these men affected their wiwes mind to begin with since we all know men still have the power... |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 13:09:16
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Inez, I dont choose my woman's friends for her, she doesnt have to choose my friends for me. I'll see to it, as a duty to my relationship, that my friends, without me involving them, interfere with my relationship. And I sincerely hope my woman does the samething too. Doesnt it urgur well for any relationship when both associate with people they are comfortable with?
I will never leave friends am comfortable with coz my woman doesnt like them. I dont expect her to do the same either. What is really needed here is what they called COMPROMISE: |
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sss
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 13:39:58
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ARGUMENTATION IS A DISEASE CAUSED BY IGNORANCE.
IT IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER THE SAID PROVERB AS SEXISM IN ANY WAY.NOWADAYS WE BOAST OF OUR DEGREES THINKING THAT WE KNOW BETTER THAN ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY OUR FOREFATHERS BUT IN REALITY WE ARE MORE IGNORANT TODAY THAN WE KNEW.THE PROVERB IS NOT SAYING WOMEN ARE BAD.IT IS SAYING WOMEN ARE LIKE MONEY OR JEWEL.PEOPLE FIGHT OVER MONEY JUST AS THEY FIGHT OVER WOMEN.WHAT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN WOMEN AND MONEY IN THIS CONTEXT IS THAT MONEY IS ANIMATE WHILE WOMEN IS NOT .WOMEN ARE LIKE MONEY WITH A MIND.MONEY IS NOT BAD BUT WHAT BEARER DOES WITH IT IS WHAT IS BAD OR GOOD.MONEY DOES NOT HAVE A SAY ABOUT WHAT U DO WITH IT BUT A MONEY WITH A MIND (WOMEN) HAS A SAY.
AND I DONT BELIEVE GOODNESS IS BASED ON GENDER OR RACE OR NATIONALITY BUT ON THE CHOICE WE MAKE.AM A SON OF A WOMAN OR A MONEY OR JEWEL WITH A MIND,THIS MONEY IS A GOOD ONE.IT IS SPEND ONLY ON GOOD.IT IS MONEY TO BE ADMIRED AND RESPECTED.
MY LAST POINT IS TO KASSMA OR WHO EVER IS SAYING WOMEN IN AFRICA BECAME MARGINALISED WHEN OTHER PEOPLE CAME IS JUST STUPID.WHAT U HAVE TO DO IS LEARNED ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WOMEN IN THOSE CULTURES, IN THAT WAY U CAN FOR SURE SAY WHETHER WOMEN ARE BEING MARGINALISED OR NOT BASED ON OTHER PEOPLE COMING TO AFRICA.AND PLEASE BE CAREFUL, NOT EVERYTHING U ARE TAUGHT IN THE CLASSROOM IS CORRECT.SOMETIMES U WILL NEED TO ANALYSE FACTS AND SOME FACTS ARE EMBEDDED IN HISTORY AND IF U DONT HISTORY ,YOUR ANALYSIS BECOME SHORT AND THUS INCORRECT. |
THE MESSENGER OF GOD(peace and blessing be always upon him)SAID,"WHOEVER WALKS WITH A TYRANT IN SUPPORT OF HIM,WHILE AWARE OF HIS TYRANNY,HAS ABANDONED ISLAM."At-Tabarani
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Apr 2006 : 18:17:17
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Kassma, this is a reply to some of your nasty responses. Some of them are so nasty that they can be deemed as insulting. I have no psychic power, but if u don’t change your attitude and show respect to others, the elderly, life will be very tough with u. If one of your laurels when u go back to Gambia is going to be, “am a Gambian girl grown up in America”, then u’ll be rejected and renounced with expressions like in wolof, “ki hamul bopam”, and in mandinka, “amah fang lond neh”. Both expressions mean u don’t know yourself. Gambians don’t stand people who play tough for no reason at all. Bob Marley sings, if u don’t know where u come from, u’ll never know where u‘re heading to.
Kassma, who are u to remind me that my mum gave birth, fed and nurtured me to sit here and talk smack? I have never said anything about women that my mum, if she was alive, would have disagreed with. I just cited Gambian proverbs about women and money. Do you know if I’ve ever heard my own mum used such a proverb many, many times when she was alive? I bet, if u were growing up in Gambia, u would never have been so disrespectful towards elders. Give some characters a modicum of education, they become as stubborn as a mule, as the saying goes,
But be assured that I can recognize your cocky and overbearing attitude, it’s here in Sweden. Most of the Gambian kids born and are growing up here are very wayward and nasty towards blacks. Hostile Sweden, thru racial discriminations, make Gambian kids hate themselves. Their hatred, sadly, takes an inward direction, since blacks don’t have others to let their frustrations out on. Many black kids here don’t have respect for their parents and are in constant conflict with them. Their lack of respect for anything black is a reflection of the success of the institutionalized racism here in this country. I’ll dilate more on this issue in due course.
Before I pen off, I’ll leave u with this advice. The energies you exert on your anger and aggression, reserve them for your concentration on studies, that’s where u need them most. Naturally, we Africans live under different conditions in the Diaspora. Some are harmonious with their Diaspora environment, some are not. More on this issue too later.
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