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jambo
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 Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 19:45:55
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uncle sam is the american government, not sure how it got that name, but it  governs many things be aware of hime, he wants you. he is everywhere. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 20:43:28
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Jambo I thought so, so Alhassan believes in Uncle Sam eh eh. So do you see Africa's future as the 54th state of America after Britain of course
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 18:21:45
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| Alhassan believes in Jammeh as well. |
There is no god but Allah |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2006 : 21:26:45
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Alhassan believes in Jammeh as well.
yaya new marcus for idiouts |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 01:48:19
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Originally posted by SANTANFARA
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Alhassan believes in Jammeh as well.
yaya new marcus for idiouts
I totally disagree to some extent with you Satangfara! That's our Head of State SMARTER THAN YOU (and my humble self) with massive power and authority presently at the helm of affairs of the nation for The Gambia and its citizens (including yourself!).
However power corrupts and there is a school of thought that considers him a HARDLINER and another AUTHORITARIAN.
He also has his friends and allies (inclunding sychophants or opportunists) and his enemies and adverseries (including victims of the system / regime).
Many consider him a true patriot whilst others do not but see the opposite view.
I disagree with your view Satangfara but would remind you and every reader that POWER CORRUPTS and what can make matters worst is LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY, EQUITY AND JUSTICE!
I don't think you could equate him with Garvey or opposite of Garvey as the AGENDAS and VISIONS are totally different.
"LET JUSTICE GUIDE OUR ACTIONS TOWARDS THE COMMON GOOD!" |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 08:39:26
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| Well if you ask me, all supremacies and spokesmen of it are the same -both black and white, yellow or brown. Racism can not be cured with racism... So no, I think Garveys thoughts are not relevant today. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 09:41:18
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Nation of Islam and Rastafari are politically motivated and created by systems and eras of supremacy against Blacks or between Whites and Blacks (RACISM!).
Nation of Islam is not un-islamic and contradicts ISLAM, injuctions and "sunna" of Prophet Muhamad (s.a.w). Its leaders are intellectuals from Black race and politicise on Islam and Rastafari as religions of Black roots. However Nation of Islam and Rastafari were good initiates and a good direction for the oppressed to count on spiritual power and hope (GOD!). Nation of Islam are with millions of muslims though, as testimonies to the belief of saying of the "Sahaada" i.e. "THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD CALLED ALLAH AND MUHAMD IS HIS PROPHET. They pay homage and chant IN THE NAME OF ALLAH; i.e "takbirr" = Allaahu akbarr; "Shikarr" = Praise singing of "Laa ill laaha ill lal laa", discipline themselves and they living decent life. Therefore followers of Nation of Islam are decent people. Its important to clarify and do justice to Islam and what it represents to MANKIND!
I repeat that Nation of Islam is UN-ISLAMIC and totally contradicts ISLAM (A UNIVERSAL RELIGION OF PEACE AND FOR ALL MANKIND!); with any perception of sagregation and RASCISM. The holy quran is a letter addressed to "Yaa banni Adam", not to the Arabs, Jews, Blacks or whites etc.
"Yaa banni Adam = You children of Adam" |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 09:47:59
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Originally posted by kobo
Nation of Islam and Rastafari are politically motivated and created by systems and eras of supremacy against Blacks or between Whites and Blacks (RACISM!).
Nation of Islam is not un-islamic and contradicts ISLAM, injuctions and "sunna" of Prophet Muhamad (s.a.w). Its leaders are intellectuals from Black race and politicise on Islam and Rastafari as religions of Black roots.
I repeat that Nation of Islam is UN-ISLAMIC and totally contradicts ISLAM (A UNIVERSAL RELIGION OF PEACE AND FOR ALL MANKIND!). The holy quran is a letter addressed to "Yaa banni Adam", not to the Arabs, Jews, Blacks or whites etc.
"Yaa banni Adam = You children of Adam"
True, and Malcolm X realized that too before he got murdered. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 10:27:38
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Originally posted by Babylon
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Originally posted by kobo
Nation of Islam and Rastafari are politically motivated and created by systems and eras of supremacy against Blacks or between Whites and Blacks (RACISM!).
Nation of Islam is not un-islamic and contradicts ISLAM, injuctions and "sunna" of Prophet Muhamad (s.a.w). Its leaders are intellectuals from Black race and politicise on Islam and Rastafari as religions of Black roots.
I repeat that Nation of Islam is UN-ISLAMIC and totally contradicts ISLAM (A UNIVERSAL RELIGION OF PEACE AND FOR ALL MANKIND!). The holy quran is a letter addressed to "Yaa banni Adam", not to the Arabs, Jews, Blacks or whites etc.
"Yaa banni Adam = You children of Adam"
True, and Malcolm X realized that too before he got murdered.
Thanks Babylon!
Thats why the ignorant members like Alhasaan don't know "Who is Malcom X?". Malcom X will never die as ALLAH grant him MATYRDOM and radicalise his life from birh to death as CHOSEN FOR HIS DESTINY! He saw the truth and followed the sunna and want to transform Nation of Islam towards the right direction of Prophet Muhamad (s.a.W).
May Allah shower his blessings to all of us!
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 10:27:43
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Originally posted by kobo
Nation of Islam and Rastafari are politically motivated and created by systems and eras of supremacy against Blacks or between Whites and Blacks (RACISM!).
Nation of Islam is not un-islamic and contradicts ISLAM, injuctions and "sunna" of Prophet Muhamad (s.a.w). Its leaders are intellectuals from Black race and politicise on Islam and Rastafari as religions of Black roots. However Nation of Islam and Rastafari were good initiates and a good direction for the oppressed to count on spiritual power and hope (GOD!). Nation of Islam are with millions of muslims though, as testimonies to the belief of saying of the "Sahaada" i.e. "THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD CALLED ALLAH AND MUHAMD IS HIS PROPHET. They pay homage and chant IN THE NAME OF ALLAH; i.e "takbirr" = Allaahu akbarr; "Shikarr" = Praise singing of "Laa ill laaha ill lal laa", discipline themselves and they living decent life. Therefore followers of Nation of Islam are decent people. Its important to clarify and do justice to Islam and what it represents to MANKIND!
I repeat that Nation of Islam is UN-ISLAMIC and totally contradicts ISLAM (A UNIVERSAL RELIGION OF PEACE AND FOR ALL MANKIND!); with any perception of sagregation and RASCISM. The holy quran is a letter addressed to "Yaa banni Adam", not to the Arabs, Jews, Blacks or whites etc.
"Yaa banni Adam = You children of Adam"
I don´t agree with you on this one, I think it´s wrong to teach people that Islam is for black people only. Therefore I totally disagree with Nation of Islam. They teach the wrong teachings and I think it´s a disgrace against Islam and give non muslims the wrong picture of the religion, which already is misunderstood by so many.
Let me quote a few words from Urban dictionary: "2. nation of islam
Black nationalist movement that is as different from Islam as night is from day. These people are not true Muslims. For example, they don't believe that Muhammad (S) was the last prophet. In fact, their founder Louis Farrakhan is regarded by the NOI as a Prophet. Also, in Islam you are supposed to be tolerant. The NOI hate white people and want segregation. In short and are actually just racist ******s who are not Muslims. They only use the Islamic jargon.
Nation of Islam members should study actual Islam instead of the garbage that Louis Farrakhan introduced. They should follow Malcom X's example."
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 14:19:18
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Cornelius Rastafari is not an anti-islamic movement and where did you get that rubbish from? As a Rastafarian myself I have children who have muslim and christian family. I have a fiance who is a Muslim, and was previously married to a muslim. I haven't heard this sentiment before where's your bigotted source?
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 18:08:05
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Dear Admin and Sister Omega,
I think that I would know my song well, before I start singing it. This time too I’m going for greater clarity and there is no “ bigoted source”
One of the good things about having a mind is the mind's possibility to examine ideas, to seek the truth and to pursue it.
WHO created the Rastafarians movement?
I have handwritten an extension to what I promised Babylon, when I wrote
“I'll explain the significance of Rastafari as an anti-Islamic movement, when I have time....Babylon....”
and all I have to do now is to transfer the handwritten to Bantaba Cyberspace…….
Sister Omega sometime in the 80s I also belonged to The Twelve Tribes of Israel ( the Bob Marley organisation) and since my birthday is July 14 - (according to their Zodiac( Astrological)system)I was assigned to the Tribe of Judah…. We used to study the Bible ( according to their understanding) …. There are many Rastafarians in the world, a Rasta prince ( Prince Abajay )was one of my good friends among the Kalabari people ….
(( Formerly inspired by Ulli Beier’s studies of Yoruba Masks and other carvings ,
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=Ulli+Beier&btnG=Search&meta=
( Formerly inspired by Ulli Beier’s studies of Yoruba Masks and other carvings ,
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=Ulli+Beier&btnG=Search&meta=
in 1980, Harvey Cropper lent me a book “ Kalabari Sculpture” by Robin Horton ( an English man , an Oxford grad turned fully fledged Kalabari man) and I lived with the Kalabari in Buguma and Bakana from February 1983 to August 1984 also with the Ekwerri people from March 1981 to December 1982, mostly in Ahoada , and being a traveller - with regular excursions to Owerri, Aba, Umuahia, Bonny ( the Ogoni people) Borokiri and other Riverine areas and of course city civilisation at Port Harcourt
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient-menuext&ie=UTF-8&q=Kalabari+people
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=%22Kalabari+Sculpture%22+Robin+Horton&meta=
NB. The Kalabari and the AKASO CULT…. The Kalabari do not practice clitoridoctomy or FGM
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=clitoridoctomy&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=The+Twelve+Tribes+of+Israel+&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-46,GGLJ:en-GB&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22The+Twelve+Tribes+Of+Israel%22+Rastafari+organisation&spell=1
You can bet that I take offence at words such as yours, asking,
“ Cornelius Rastafari is not an anti-islamic movement and where did you get that rubbish from? As a Rastafarian myself I have children who have muslim and christian family. I have a fiance who is a Muslim, and was previously married to a muslim. I haven't heard this sentiment before where's your bigotted source?”
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-46,GGLJ:en-GB&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Rastafari&spell=1
Congratulations to you and your Muslim fiancé. Please convey my best salaams to him and your ex-husband.
There is much that I don’t know and there is much that others too don’t know.
I first heard this sentiment from some Ansaru Allah people who I spent a short time with in London … they told me where they think that white people come from. You simply wouldn’t believe about “dogs”, just as you surely wouldn’t believe all the vile talk about “ pigs and monkeys”
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-46,GGLJ:en-GB&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Ansaru+Allah+&spell=1
( Well just imagine Bob Marley singing “Almighty God is a living man.”
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob+marley/get+up+stand+up_20021743.html
How do you think a Muslim who believes in Suratul Ikhlas relates to that?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=Surah+112&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=Suratul+Ikhlas+&btnG=Search&meta=
Now I want to inform Momodou our honourable admin that I would like my next instalment in this thread to continue in this thread “Is Marcus Garvey Still Relevant?” even as the discussion progresses ( through some twists and turns and even though, inevitably there is some unavoidable religious content when one discusses Jamaica, or Ethiopia, or even Middle Eastern Politics( a place where religion and Politics fuse.)
Simultaneously I could write about it exclusively from a “religious” (Apologetics) and not merely political or sociological perspective.
There are religious sites strictly speaking are religious.
What it has in common with Rastafarianism is the some idea of REDEMPTION and don’t forget that the Bible ( Torah and Tanach) that I speak of is the Jewish Bible. For me there is no other I hope that the difference and the inevitable overlap is clear, as we know that ideas merge and when certain philosophical ideas enter religion, and religion enters history, then this topic certainly belongs to the WORLD POLITICS ( and history) more than it does to theology, no matter the religious content. So pleases bear with my kind of honesty…..
Maimonides "philosophy" is based on the halacha
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=halacha&btnG=Search&meta=
Soon come…..and it will be rather long….. let the discussion proceed. Why not call in some Rastas from Jahmaica and some reinforcements from the Nation of Islam ( perhaps they want to discuss SLAVERY?) these diverse people could give more spice to the gravy/discussion and I have never been known to run away from a discussion or debate, especially not the latter or the less controversial former. The more the merrier. This is a democratic forum that understands that there is PLURAL-ISM in this big wild world….
Just here I’d like to add that I have the translation of a letter that Rasulullah, salallahu alaihi wa salaam wrote/ dictated to the Negus of Ethiopia. Being of the Best ADAB of all Arabs past, present, and future, and observing the etiquette of diplomatic protocol and after the appropriate and respectful titular address to the Negus, Rasulullah begins with “ Asalamalaikum” to His Majesty…..
Momodou I still await your go ahead because I hate idleness as much as I hate to waste time ( since January 17, 2003, some 3,000 of my postings to various Sierra Leone Fora and Africa-on Line have been deliberately destroyed or deleted, some of them interesting others of some historical value and unfortunately, I only have backups for what I wrote this year. |
Edited by - Cornelius on 30 Nov 2006 19:05:54 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 19:10:56
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Cornelius I was never part of the twelve tribe movement more Othodorox Nyabingi therefore I am not privy to their discussion but the Rasses I've reasoned with other the years have no axe to grind with Islam. After all it was the Ethiopian Orthodox church which HIM was Head of who originally gave Prophet Mohammad permission to seek refuge in Ethiopia because his coming was already prophecised within the Ethiopian (Geeze) Bible.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 30 Nov 2006 19:20:10 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 19:24:25
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| I did not say that the Rastafari movement or I have an axe to grind with Islam as I will soon make abundantly clear so that you see more clearly, if only you could just be patient whilst I make myself some dinner of fish stew ( listen to the Kongos) and I'm a China (and Mende) man when it comes to rice, Sister Omega, and long live MARCUS GARVEY! |
Edited by - Cornelius on 30 Nov 2006 19:25:54 |
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