 |
|
| Author |
 Topic  |
|
mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
 Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 23:43:36
|
first of all a real Muslims will not stand and against his brother in religion or an innocent human being!
secondly its not a surprise to me if you have a difficult of believing what the US or CIA are up to in Iraq or middle east general, because you are fully behind the US and having funny of the situations there.
third why are you being so sure about the Muslims of supporting the Iran in they nuclear bombs is it because has been freighting Israel?
if it is so who own it first in the middle east?
fourth stop blaming all Muslims because of the middle east problem as you know but don't want to make yourself of knowing it that a real Muslim have no interest of cold bloodshed as those you are supporting .instead i would advice you to point your fingers at your very next doors and that is the US & Israels! they are destabilizing not only middle east but whole world and we are sick and tired of that.! |
 |
|
|
Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2006 : 00:32:59
|
quote:
Originally posted by mbay
first of all a real Muslims will not stand and against his brother in religion or an innocent human being!
secondly its not a surprise to me if you have a difficult of believing what the US or CIA are up to in Iraq or middle east general, because you are fully behind the US and having funny of the situations there.
third why are you being so sure about the Muslims of supporting the Iran in they nuclear bombs is it because has been freighting Israel?
if it is so who own it first in the middle east?
fourth stop blaming all Muslims because of the middle east problem as you know but don't want to make yourself of knowing it that a real Muslim have no interest of cold bloodshed as those you are supporting .instead i would advice you to point your fingers at your very next doors and that is the US & Israels! they are destabilizing not only middle east but whole world and we are sick and tired of that.!
You say that "first of all a real Muslims will not stand and against his brother in religion or an innocent human being!"
And neither would I, against Shia or Sunni or Jew or any innocent being. About the Shia - Sunni differences and their failure to settle it on the basis of truth and what is right, you surely can't blame that on Israel and the USA - for their failure to do so since 633, can you? Failure to achieve Islamic Unity for over 1,373 years. Whose fault? Israel, the United States and the CIA?
I have a fair idea of what could have been happening from the first weeks of the war in Iraq and I don't think any of it is or was funny -not even the Iraqi minister of Information. Remember him before or after Baghdad was taken when the US troops drove straight in ( no flowers to greet them , but almost no resistance.)Not everyone was for the invasion you know....
I think that you should pray for and want DEMOCRACY for your Muslim brothers and sisters in the Middle East, as much as you want it for the Gambia. It’s this lack of respect for the lives and for all the peoples Human Rights that is the problem and it is not Israel oppressing all the Muslims in the Middle East or elsewhere.
Israel: area: 20,770 sq km
The Gambia : area : 11,300 sq km
http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html
SHALOM
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=Shalom&btnG=Search&meta= |
Edited by - Cornelius on 26 Nov 2006 01:47:19 |
|
|
|
mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 26 Nov 2006 : 01:45:26
|
as i said don't blame all the Muslim because of middle east problems! since the beginning of Islam as the meanings of its name , means peace unity and love as our Prophet has teaches us as well as those befor him .he once said when one gives you a blood to drink give that person back a milk to drink, isn't it enough for you people to understand ?. anyway this is not a new for us because ALLAH said the one who wanted to understand will but those with coal heart at thesame time thinking they are the universally wise can never get understanding till the end of the world .if you means that those who turn away from Islam and counting them with whole Islamic world then there is not much to discuss with you because you are in darkness as well as those from the beginning. those hypocrite which has since try from the beginning to divided Islam are still on they hill today and doing the same and we know who they are!
quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius
You say that "first of all a real Muslims will not stand and against his brother in religion or an innocent human being!"
And neither would I, against Shia or Sunni or Jew or any innocent being. About the Shia - Sunni differences and their failure to settle it on the basis of truth and what is right, you surely can't blame that on Israel and the USA - for their failure to do so since 633, can you? Failure to achieve Islamic Unity for over 1,373 years. Whose fault? Israel the United States and the CIA?
I have a fair idea of what could have been happening from the first weeks of the war in Iraq and I don't think any of it is or was funny -not even the Iraqi minister of Information. Remember him before or after Baghdad was taken when the US troops drove straight in ( no flowers to greet them , but almost no resistance.)Not everyone was for the invasion you know....
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=the+Iraqi+minister+of+Information.&btnG=Search&meta=
I think that you should pray for and want DEMOCRACY for your Muslim brothers and sisters in the Middle East, as much as you want it for the Gambia. It’s this lack of respect for the lives and for all the peoples Human Rights that is the problem and it is not Israel oppressing all the Muslims in the Middle East or elsewhere.
http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html
SHALOM
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=Shalom&btnG=Search&meta=
|
Edited by - mbay on 26 Nov 2006 01:48:50 |
|
|
|
Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
|
|
mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
|
|
Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 21:15:43
|
Some views about the increase in veiled indigenous Muslim women on the banks of the Nile....
If the minister of Culture of Egypt can deem it ( through the veil darkly) as a sign of "retrogression" then what is the wild West's bikini-woman unveiled, to say, but "yea- I agree"?
Fiddling amid the flames
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/822/cu5.htm
Uncovering the context
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/822/cu4.htm
|
Edited by - Cornelius on 04 Dec 2006 21:18:05 |
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 22:33:28
|
I think it is retrogression. Back into the home and the control of men!
All women should be feminists and as such I can't imagine why one would want to wear the veil.
Women should be assertive (not aggressive) and proud of being a women. Why be ashamed and hide? If there is a sin it is with the men that letch after women, not with the women who walks freely down the street.
As a women you should be able to walk anywhere, dressed anyhow and be safe. 100%. The problem isn't with women, it is with men who can't control themselves, or choose not to.
Perhaps men should have a curfew?! Then women would be safe to walk alone at any time!  
If Muslim men really feel they couldnt control themselves, perhaps they should go to the doctor for medication?! |
|
|
|
Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 00:04:13
|
Wonderful Gambiebev,
I agree with you 100% !
HOWZ SCHOOL?
It’s not the women’s fault, it’s the men’s’!
I’m glad that you suggest medication instead of eradication, decapitation or simple castration….
To nail him ( for using too much force) you’d need to have 4 reliable witnesses in the Sharia Court… not three.....and if you say curfew time, you’d have some men wearing the Hijab just to be amongst you…..
I once accidentally( unknowingly) got into the women’s compartment on a train in Egypt…. They started chattering with great excitement……I could have been beheaded by the guards, there and then… almost like when I and another Sierra Leonean accidentally turned up at a Lesbian club in Stockholm ( on a Boat called Patricia. At about 2330 when like the island of Madagascar we were completely surrounded by a bevy of heavenly busted dark and blue-eyed beauties, it was only then that it occurred to me/us , “But where are the men?” And then it dawned on me…and I know that you can’t convert those – even though they look like balls breakers, you know…..
So much suffering in the world as in J.P. Donleavy’s “ The Ginger Man” and “ A Singular Man” not to mention those nun priestesses who wear hijabs on street corners but nevertheless get hijacked, by some wayward drifters or when rebel priests no longer pious persuade them to take off their scarves in the dark….
Burning with lust, yelling “I’ve only got one burning desire, let me stand next to your fire! “- ( “Better to marry than to burn”, said Paul (and then says praise be to those who “who become eunuchs for the sake of Lord Jesus” and that’s simply not Islamic either!
Regression, retrogression, sexual oppression, repression, molestation, Fugging FG-mutilation, lechers on the leash roaring to go, shame versus the brazen hussy, sometimes you’ve got to give a good man a break!
Yes, Bev, it’s not only as you say that
“The problem isn't with women, it is with men who can't control themselves, or choose not to” –
you know sometimes they do lose control and you and I know the saying “ all is fair in love and war” ?
Of course the problem doesn’t end there. The bard says,
“You got men who can't hold their peace and women who can't control their tongues,…” You agree with me?
http://bobdylan.com/songs/wakeup.html
|
Edited by - Cornelius on 05 Dec 2006 00:06:17 |
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 08:15:06
|
| Cornelius if all your stories are true, you have had a very interesting life!!! Perhaps you should write an autobiography or a travel journal? |
|
|
|
mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 10:13:00
|
Curfew form men? I will prefer a self control.
And try to accept it instead of provoking it. This is mater of religions of Islam!
But some are not only after veil but whole Islam! If some of you understand then please leave us along!
Don’t you get it that in Islam women’s are taking higher than men?
(THOSE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT WILL .BUT THE HEATHERS WILL NEVER ,TILL THEY LAST BREATH!)
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
I think it is retrogression. Back into the home and the control of men!
All women should be feminists and as such I can't imagine why one would want to wear the veil.
Women should be assertive (not aggressive) and proud of being a women. Why be ashamed and hide? If there is a sin it is with the men that letch after women, not with the women who walks freely down the street.
As a women you should be able to walk anywhere, dressed anyhow and be safe. 100%. The problem isn't with women, it is with men who can't control themselves, or choose not to.
Perhaps men should have a curfew?! Then women would be safe to walk alone at any time!
If Muslim men really feel they couldnt control themselves, perhaps they should go to the doctor for medication?!
|
Edited by - mbay on 05 Dec 2006 11:48:15 |
|
|
|
Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 13:01:48
|
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Cornelius if all your stories are true, you have had a very interesting life!!! Perhaps you should write an autobiography or a travel journal?
ALL my first person "stories" are absolutely true, but in due course of time - God willing, you'll get a real literary version. It should be nothing less than sensational, and there you will be able to read a little about Islam too……don’t worry, only good things to say….
Many writers’ first novels are somewhat fictionalised versions of autobiographical stuff......but truth is stranger than fiction, in some cases.
About the Lesbian club incident, I’d say that my friend thought he was already in paradise…..
I could approach these subjects in more impersonal ways too......
Just now I'm on page 98 of Trevor Roper's letters from Oxford and this one is about Folke Bernadotte.... listening to Kofi Annan's Hardtalk interview last night, in the section where he says that SUDAN has a right to not wnat UN troops etc in their country, I thought about the very difficult times that israel has had in the past 100 years .......or so, especially with the United Nations:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Folke+Bernadotte&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Trevor+Roper+%22+Letters+from+Oxford%22&btnG=Search&meta=
Also true, at thirteen I read Richard Church’s two part autobiography “Over the Bridge” and “The Golden Sovereign”- I took to having a glass of water first thing in the morning… to prevent or cure any possible gall stones…. (English folk medicine…..
A very composed, morally armed, charming, serious and reflective Kofi Annan on Hardtalk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/default.stm
|
Edited by - Cornelius on 05 Dec 2006 13:46:55 |
|
|
|
Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 13:56:28
|
quote:
Originally posted by mbay
Curfew form men? I will prefer a self control.
And try to accept it instead of provoking it. This is mater of religions of Islam!
But some are not only after veil but whole Islam! If some of you understand then please leave us along!
Don’t you get it that in Islam women’s are taking higher than men?
(THOSE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT WILL .BUT THE HEATHERS WILL NEVER ,TILL THEY LAST BREATH!)
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
I think it is retrogression. Back into the home and the control of men!
All women should be feminists and as such I can't imagine why one would want to wear the veil.
Women should be assertive (not aggressive) and proud of being a women. Why be ashamed and hide? If there is a sin it is with the men that letch after women, not with the women who walks freely down the street.
As a women you should be able to walk anywhere, dressed anyhow and be safe. 100%. The problem isn't with women, it is with men who can't control themselves, or choose not to.
Perhaps men should have a curfew?! Then women would be safe to walk alone at any time!
If Muslim men really feel they couldnt control themselves, perhaps they should go to the doctor for medication?!
Mbay,
THOSE WHO WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IT WILL .BUT THE HEATHERS WILL NEVER ,TILL THEIR LAST BREATH!
This is a very good quotation. There is a lot said in this phrase. I have encounted the same with Cornelius. I am not here to discuss religion. |
|
|
|
Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 17:52:55
|
Al Hassan,
This is also meant to be useful: I do and say out of love, not out of idleness.
Once again, I do not have anything against you personally or al-Islam. There are even views expressed about the “vulgar way” by Abraham Abulafia – about the Sufi way, (Chapter 6, pages 63-64 of “The Jewish Mystics” Edited by Louis Jacobs) which fall short of my own personal understanding – indeed there are many teachings…
‘Do you know what I understand and what I do not understand? Do you know what is in my heart? Do you know WHO is in my heart? And what do you know about my last breath?
There are others, who do not and can not say what you say about me and let me tell you this,
You say that you are “not here to discuss religion.” Great! You are at liberty to leave out religion considerations when covering topics concerning the present or past political situation in Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Darfur, Somalia or any other area of conflict where the population is Muslim. Should you omit religion as a factor that impinges on politics and people it wouldn’t bother me at all. I am not in Bantaba in Cyberspace in this post-enlightenment, post-modern, post-colonial, age to seek or promote religion. I am secure in my own identity and do not seek to persuade anyone to think like me – our backgrounds are too varied for that.
You may also leave out religious and cultural considerations, and historical backgrounds to what you call the present to arrive at your undistorted and comprehensive understandings, but I myself have profited immensely from the ruminations of Aziz al-Azmeh of Syria - along with Tony Sheridan one of the most eloquent speakers I have yet heard - starting with his "Islam and Modernities” I have an autographed copy (in green ink) after his talk/lecture in Stockholm, many years ago.
It pays to be informed, abreast, current, and of course tuned to reality – not just some undigested religious slogans ( any links that I have ever provided on this Forum are a sort of sharing – and pointing at important and mostly not uncommon knowledge.:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Aziz+al-Azmeh+++&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Aziz+al-Azmeh+++%22Islam+and+Modernities%22&btnG=Search&meta=
You may also leave out the religious element when discussing the issue of hijab, the Pope’s provocative remarks, his visit to Turkey (you may choose to divorce Turkish history from religion – but I myself would not be that foolhardy). You may entirely leave religion (yours) out of the discussion of integration, multi-culturalism, and ethical/moral and cultural values etc. Personally I would find most discussion under WORLD POLITICS and WORLD RELIGION boring, if lacking in substance and find religion in itself usually passes as the poor man’s philosophy ( remember "Allah is the Rich and we are the poor”) so your self-expressions in Bantaba is one of the many ways by which I am getting to know you and most of the exchanges are of sociological interest, group dynamics – and purely religion discussion could be left entirely in the hands of Kobo, Musa Pembo, Santanfara, Sister Omega and other pundits. We'll stick to politics ...whether you like....Islmic ideology or not.
Al-Hassan I once met the author of “Then I was Guided” and “Ask Those Who Know”, Muhammad al-Tijani al-Samawi. It was at the then Shia mosque at Mariatorget. I wish that you had been there. I asked him two questions which he answered satisfactorily. It’s no easy task being a judge – or judging. But knowing the most basic essentials about that region (about your friends and your enemies) should make it easier to understand the unravelling of events in Lebanon in the aftermath of the Hezbollah –Israel war, and the region as a whole…….
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Muhammad+al-Tijani+al-Samawi+%3A%22ASK+THOSE+WHO+KNOW%22&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Muhammad+al-Tijani+al-Samawi&btnG=Search&meta=
There are other areas too, such as India-Pakistan, China, Tibet, the Balkans, and of course Africa…….
One last little thing: even as we diminish our personal ignorance ´by increasing necessary knowledge and self-knowledge (didn’t Rasulullah salallahu alaihi wa salaam say “Seek knowledge, even if you have to travel to China”?
Well in Judaism, there are SIX REMEMBRANCES:
1. The Exodus from EGYPT
2. RECEIVING THE TORAH AT MOUNT SINAI
3. AMALEK’s ATTACK.
4. THE GOLDEN CALF
5. MIRIAM
6 THE SABBATH
There’s also THE THIRTEEN PRINCIPLES OF FAITH and it is the First Principle that I want to mention, so that you stop looking down on others. The first principle states:
” I believe with complete faith that the Creator, Blessed is His Name, creates and guides all creatures, and that He alone made, makes and will make everything.”
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=THE++SIX+REMEMBRANCES&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+Thirteen+Principle+of+Faith&btnG=Search&meta=
I forgive everyone before I go to bed each night mostly mentally – if I don’t fall asleep before then. It’s called “The BEDTIME SHEMA" and for your own better understanding and acceptance of the other, look at this: it starts
” Master of the Universe, I hereby forgive anyone who angered or antagonised me or sinned against me, whether against my body, my property, my honour or against any thing of mine, whether he did so accidentally, wilfully, carelessly, or purposely; whether through speech, deed, thought, or notion, whether in this transmigration or another transmigration …..”
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+BEDTIME+SHEMA&btnG=Search&meta=
And Remember when you are looking up or down: there is only ONE GOD….. So let there be peace amongst and between us.
Amen
Wa Salaam,
al Hassan.....
|
Edited by - Cornelius on 05 Dec 2006 18:03:56 |
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 22:14:10
|
I like the bedtime shema very much. I reflect on my day at bedtime. I write my diary and relax. I go to bed with a good heart. I am not religious, but like to think quite spiritual in my approach to life.
Could you email me that prayer? I would like to print it for my bedside.
Thanks |
|
|
|
Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 23:03:56
|
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
I like the bedtime shema very much. I reflect on my day at bedtime. I write my diary and relax. I go to bed with a good heart. I am not religious, but like to think quite spiritual in my approach to life.
Could you email me that prayer? I would like to print it for my bedside.
Thanks
GAMBIABEV. with all due respect if you think the western portrayal of feminism is women libaration then women have a long way to go. do you know the number of rapes commited every day in the u.s ? did you know the number of rapes brought to court every week in england or western europe ? please do a google and find out. the veil is for women protection and self-dignity. over the past few years alone more than 32,000 women became muslims mainly from university campus not from the desert. some can say any thing they want against islam it will only take it forward. islam don't get blured by negative propaganda ,we muslims don't have that organisations to act as our mouth piece .we don't control world media .but with all the propaganda people daily are joining islam. read who are behind so-call femist movement and see what they actually achieve. don't join in on anti-muslim elements they will fail as ever. this religion have more than 1 billion follwers who are from every race in the globe not like budhish or hindus which are racial religion.if you think islam is backward ,good luck to you. we have qualify people from every works of life so they all say good luck gambiabev. more women are wearing veil every day. this is not men who say women should wear it ,it is our god allah who commands it.yet some write about how they like islam yet they cannot even differenciate what is fard and what is not .shame. what allah commands we try our best to do it. like fasting,praying,zakat,hajj,high moral ethics etc. every body can claim to be spritiual ,but for whom and why ?without the conciciousness of an almighty one will only out of conveneince be spritual but when not comfortable well who cares. we stand by the universal faith not for a tribe or race but humanity. the words of popets mean nothing to us. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
| Bantaba in Cyberspace |
© 2005-2024 Nijii |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
