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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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 Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 19:19:41
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| Wow I knew she was upset lol No Mosquitoes am milking my cows at the moment chill up Seretata. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 19:25:48
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 19:34:20
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Originally posted by Momodou
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Originally posted by serenata
Cornelius, once again I have to deal with your offences against Germans, the more as you seem to have infected others with your dirty venom..........
Serenata, I don't see any anti-German comment in any of Cornelius's postings above, so I believe your reaction is a misunderstanding.
Perhaps I too was misunderstood or could be misunderstood by an unwary literalist in connection with the latest Lebanon assassination when I said “ anybody could have done it.” Well, I couldn’t have done it, but somebody in Lebanon did it …..
AS soon as I’ve posted this and after the BBC HARDTALK programme, I’ll get cracking with my reply to your best friend and I promise it will be very kind and calculated, no offensive words. CHESED is the watchword of my personal philosophy , but not being St Nicolas de Cusa, I won’t let that under transparent one use me as a doormat.
The saying for week 30 was “ Be not wise in words – be wise in deeds”
Week 44: “Life is precious and there’s not a lot of room for anger.”
Many people have heard about the REFORMATION, and the roots of pre and post-war German anti-Semitism probably go back to this:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=the+anti-Semitism+of+Martin+Luther&meta=
Momodou, I am not aware of being anti-German. When I was a child in London with my Aunt Nelly ( 100% Dutch) I remember a German neighbour called Edith, always wore lipstick, thought my hair was like “ lamb’s wool”… made me think of the 6,000,000 like lambs to the slaughter….
As said, I have relatives in Germany, some wholly German, some married to Germans, for example my aunt Susan Hamelberg’s daughter is married to German and lives in Germany. The war IS over and there’s a lot to be said even about post-war football ( smile)
Didn’t Germany recently provide Israel with some (nuclear) submarines?
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/380190923/m/7500069380001
http://www.nti.org/db/submarines/
I was just sitting down, to type my response ( transfer the handwritten to occupy cyberspace – when your comment presented itself , to me, dear Momodou, and you are very dear to me.
“Foaming at the mouth” is not a German invention nor does any German have a monopoly on such a common everyday expression in the English language; I have used that expression on a number of occasions outside of this Bantaba Forum. So, use of the expression is not tantamount to quoting the resident German spokeswoman.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%E2%80%9CFoaming+at+the+mouth%E2%80%9D+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
It would appear that whereas I was rejoicing that the wonderful Gambiebev and I agree about what is universally confirmed as the Dutch being liberal-minded and fair, ire and the foaming at the mouth actually took possession of the one who felt as part of the nation being associated with the Holocaust. As you said Momodou, “a clear conscience fears no accusation.”
The Germans are generally considered to be rather stiff, formal, etc ……by English and liberal Dutch standards and that’s what Gambiebev meant by the Dutch, in contrast with the Germans, are closer to the British mindset – at least I am closer to that mind set.
On the other hand, it was the British and not the Germans who colonised Gambians and on the whole did a good job of it, considering the legacy they gave us and by the way, John Thomas is another Gambian relative of mine… I mean John Thomas who used to be the Gambian heavyweight champion, lives in Banjul and has a British passport, yes I attended his wedding in London, and the chief God father ( also mine as a baby, ) was Dr. Davidson Nicol……
Everybody talks about the Palestinians, Americans, Swedes, without necessarily being discriminatory...
On 911, the world lost some of the best economic brains, in the world
I’m not here to make war - I am not warlike, but if war comes to me, I’m ready to fight. I am a fighter, so this backward *****talk about overestimated self - in comparison to unknown others who are joking with you and boasting about “intellectual weapons” even the one between my feet, my head, or someone else’s legs, is not going to impress me – Sharon’s biography is “ WARRIOR” – think of Barak…… lightning- that’s what an intellect is like: lightning! Not some cold-blooded albeit wise and cunning, and miserable old serpent….who looks so miserable and ugly that it gets jealous every time I love somebody else.
The stiffness in question and the roots of German pre and post war anti-Semitism must lurk somewhere here and I would much prefer the self appointed spokes people who take up the responsibility to try to be a little bit more humble even if some of us are not intellectuals in our banter and in our light Bantaba chat ( mostly with a lot of what in English is called “ a sense of humour” and sometimes, in ”simple” structures and are unarmed like the 6,000, 000, unarmed who were slaughtered by the ****S who were also jealous of their spiritual, intellectual, moral and material wealth. Some of the best minds, intellects and foremost in many fields of Human endeavour , perished in the holocaust.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-46,GGLJ:en-GB&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Many+great+intellectuals+perished+in+the+holocaust&spell=1
A joke is that if you ask a German “ what time is it? Or how far is it?"
You’ll probably get an answer 11.35 and 5 seconds to the first question. And 2 kilometres and 53 meters and 33cm to the second question. Needless to say, ditto about the height, weight and age, (years days, minutes and seconds) aesthetic questions, of beauty and what the French call “laid” /plain, could always be confirmed by a flattering photograph of the object in question.
The Dutch are known to be liberal-minded just as the Germans are known to be precisionist - those feats of Science and engineering which doesn’t mean that the Germans have not produced great Music and philosophy and literature. A Jewish saying that turns up in week 40 of my year 5767 calendar/diary says, “ A half truth is a whole lie”
SO here is the context of what I said, trying to diffuse the severity on fairness/unfairness by joking about post-war football in Holland:
“I disagree with Daltons implication about Dutch people. I have always found them to be liberal minded and fair. Very different to Germans, more like the English mindset.” (GambieBev)
No foaming at the mouth here: I agree that when it comes to post-war football the Germans are not very popular in Holland but look at the English mindset as represented by one of its official representations and tell us whether Muslims are entitled to their RIGHTS (not only Human but also conceived as DIVINE) and certainly ratified by article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the right to counter-distinguish themselves by fashions of dress, even if they live in the wild West.” ( Cornelius)
And the saying for this week is “ If you won’t be better tomorrow than you were today, then what do you want tomorrow for?”
– and in this too I find words to the memory of those who perished in the Holocaust
– ( Michael Brunson read this for us in lower sixth)
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7. And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature's changing course untrimm'd;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade
Nor lose possession of that fair thou owest;
Nor shall Death brag thou wander'st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou growest:
So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this and this gives life to thee.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 21:08:53
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| CONI SOME OF YOUR LAST POSTING ARE TRUE BUT SOME QUESTION MARK. SELLING EMOTION. I ASK YOU TO READ A BOOK BY MICHEAL ADAMS AND CHRISTOPHER MATHEWS CALL PUBLISH IT NOT .SOME OF THE INTERNET PROPAGANDA WILL BE PUT TO REST. WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS AFRICAN MATTERS.PERIOD. THE REST OF THE WORLD ARE SOLVING THERE PROBLEMS. LET US TALK ABOUT LIBERIA,SEIRA LEON ,SENEGAL, GAMBIA .SPRITUAL AND OTHER CULTURAL ASPECT CAN WAIT.TORAH THIS AND THAT WILL NOT CHANGE AFRICA. THE JEWS ARE A SUPER POWER AND THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED. FOR US IN AFRICA WE ARE STILL BECKING. LET US CREATE EMOTION ABOUT OUR PLIGHT. AFRICA FIRST AND OUR SPRITUAL MATTERS PRIVATE. DEAL OR NO DEAL CONI? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 22:05:11
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Originally posted by SANTANFARA
CONI SOME OF YOUR LAST POSTING ARE TRUE BUT SOME QUESTION MARK. SELLING EMOTION. I ASK YOU TO READ A BOOK BY MICHEAL ADAMS AND CHRISTOPHER MATHEWS CALL PUBLISH IT NOT .SOME OF THE INTERNET PROPAGANDA WILL BE PUT TO REST. WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS AFRICAN MATTERS.PERIOD. THE REST OF THE WORLD ARE SOLVING THERE PROBLEMS. LET US TALK ABOUT LIBERIA,SEIRA LEON ,SENEGAL, GAMBIA .SPRITUAL AND OTHER CULTURAL ASPECT CAN WAIT.TORAH THIS AND THAT WILL NOT CHANGE AFRICA. THE JEWS ARE A SUPER POWER AND THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED. FOR US IN AFRICA WE ARE STILL BECKING. LET US CREATE EMOTION ABOUT OUR PLIGHT. AFRICA FIRST AND OUR SPRITUAL MATTERS PRIVATE. DEAL OR NO DEAL CONI?
Some six million people were murdered, so what do you mean by this:
“ our uncle coni is dweeling too much on his hebrew culture but he never try to justify the action of his co-religionist so that is typical and expected .always blame others for the your problem coni.the jews were and are still prosperous in germany and the german people have taken them as equal now what more do you want? do not bully uncle ,you should know better.”
Who did I bully? I agreed with Gambiebev that Dutch people are more liberal–minded etc that’s all . Where did I say an unkind word about Germans in this thread? Please show me.
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2366
I subscribe to what Gambiebev says, because that ‘s what I understood her to have meant in the first place in plain English: “Sorry if I caused any offence. I didnt mean INDIVIDUAL Germans, I meant German society compared to Dutch society. The attitudes are very different. Netherlands are much more liberal in GENERAL.”
You Santafara and the one called Mbay can: Go ahead.
I also recommend what Bedu Annan recommended to me:
"In My Father's House"
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22In+My+Father%27s+House%22+Appiah&btnG=Search&meta=
That’s a good start. Understanding always is.
Not all of us are or want to be politicians. You can follow your leader. I cannot follow you.
My deal is with Marcus Garvey……..
Perhaps I am more used to a greater range and flexibility of expression......as Lemon Time would say, freedom of speech. I'm used to discussing at table......
I notice that neither you nor anyone else has replied to this ( which I posted in the Culture Section of Banataba:
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2006/11/02/6224.shtml
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 22:55:17
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Yes I have been to Germany and Holland. I have also met alot of German and Dutch people when I owned a hotel in York. Also you meet both nationalities when you travel abroad.
Generalisations can be dangerous, but there is usually a nugget of truth there somewhere.
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 23:13:09
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Yes I have been to Germany and Holland. I have also met alot of German and Dutch people when I owned a hotel in York. Also you meet both nationalities when you travel abroad.
Generalisations can be dangerous, but there is usually a nugget of truth there somewhere.
Germany is as diverse as any other society. some countries today are worst than germany .so let us not generalise. holland liberal culture may be a thing of the past. they have been taken over by the ghost and shadows. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 10:24:31
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Originally posted by Cornelius
“It seems that the Europeans have problems with the Muslims, but the Muslims have no problems with the Christians.” (Al-Hassan)
I agree with you that Muslims have no problems with Christians – basically because Muslims take the direction of the Qur’an that
"You will find the Jews and the associationists more hostile to those who believe. You will find those who say `We are Christians' the friendliest to those who believe, for many of them are monks and priests, and they are humble." (Qur'an, 5:82)
Cornelius a rejoinder will follow shortly. Made reference to extract some translations of the Holy Quran on your points and reference above for proper interpretation and understanding of the context! |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 11:02:08
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Originally posted by kobo
Cornelius a rejoinder will follow shortly. Made reference to extract some translations of the Holy Quran on your points and reference above for proper interpretation and understanding of the context!
The problem for now is that Muslims have problems with other Muslims, so how are they not going to have problems with the so called Kuffar?
Things are spinning out of control, and this is a period of mourning in Iraq and the Ummah. Someone - the Alims and the religious and tribal leaders should talk sense to the fighting factions: a Muslim is the brother of every other Muslim: One ALLAH, one Rasulullah - salallahu alaihi wa salaam, one Quran, one qibbla, not this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6178994.stm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231557,00.html
Seems that some are more concerned with headgear in Europe than about stopping the bloodshed after Saddam......
Here Scottish Sheikh AbalQadir is saying that the Kuffar are in crisis:
http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/articles/Art018-02062004.html
Search though his site for some sense talk on the veil! ( Although I don't like his anti-Semitic views ( I am familiar with them since '86)
Yes, he himself has read the Quran |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 11:44:49
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Originally posted by Cornelius
The problem for now is that Muslims have problems with other Muslims, so how are they not going to have problems with the so called Kuffar?
Things are spinning out of control, and this is a period of mourning in Iraq and the Ummah. Someone - the Alims and the religious and tribal leaders should talk sense to the fighting factions: a Muslim is the brother of every other Muslim: One ALLAH, one Rasulullah - salallahu alaihi wa salaam, one Quran, one qibbla, not this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6178994.stm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231557,00.html
Seems that some are more concerned with headgear in Europe than about stopping the bloodshed after Saddam......
Here Scottish Sheikh AbalQadir is saying that the Kuffar are in crisis:
http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/articles/Art018-02062004.html
Search though his site for some sense talk on the veil! ( Although I don't like his anti-Semitic views ( I am familiar with them since '86)
Yes, he himself has read the Quran
Cornelius,
Where have you got the idea that "The problem for now is that Muslims have problems with other Muslims, so how are they not going to have problems with the so called Kuffar"?
The problem is with the west and their allies. The bombing of the Mosques is Irak is not done by Muslims. I belive it is done by MOSSAD and CIA. I suggest we put side the difference in pratice between the Sunna and Shia. Moslems in general see all mosques as a house of God. Only the disbelivers do these things.
The people of Irak has nothing to gain if their country is disstabilised. The dark forces must be rejoicing to see the middle East fall.
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 12:53:41
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Originally posted by Alhassan
Cornelius,
Where have you got the idea that "The problem for now is that Muslims have problems with other Muslims, so how are they not going to have problems with the so called Kuffar"?
The problem is with the west and their allies. The bombing of the Mosques is Irak is not done by Muslims. I belive it is done by MOSSAD and CIA. I suggest we put side the difference in pratice between the Sunna and Shia. Moslems in general see all mosques as a house of God. Only the disbelivers do these things.
The people of Irak has nothing to gain if their country is disstabilised. The dark forces must be rejoicing to see the middle East fall.
Al-Hassan,
1. I agree with your suggestion that we put side the differences in between the Sunni and Shia. You see Saddam holding the Holy Quran in his left hand in Court? He bombed a mosque in Kurdistan – according to the testimony of a Kurdish witness during his trial.
Its true that there was a joke about Kissinger wishing both sides best of luck to the Iraq –Iran war (the war which Iraq IMPOSED on Iran, when they invaded that country destroyed the oil city of Abadan - and it too the Iranians two years to kick them out – it is said that Saddam even had his Iraqi Shia in the war front to fight their Shia brothers in Iran – same davozda Imam, alaihi salaam!
Still, I have some difficulty in believing that the USA/ CIA would like to destabilise Iraq for the Republicans to lose the next election. To begin with, that will not help the oil to flow unimpeded to an America that would die of thirst for oil…those automobiles would have to start queuing – although for gas and as you know, the price of oil is going DOWN – not because of the insurgency or the beginning of the civil war . Both civil war and insurgency will/ would stop the flow and the price would go – UP.
But what’s worse is what is also most likely, if we don’t do everything to stop the sectarian fighting before it escalates.
You may be live or be fooled by Iran wanting to acquire nuclear weapons, but I’m not. Because I know that they wouldn’t dare attack Israel with them - because first of all the devastating reply would come from the sea and it is those who control the waves that rule even with a first historic strike. No. The danger is that we could be in for a repeat of the Iran -Iraq war once Sunni fighters from predominantly Sunni countries start arriving in Iraq in larger numbers to help their Sunni brothers to thwart the establishment of a an Iran Iraq Shia confederation (and the fear of an Iran armed with nuclear weapons) then IRAN will step in to help their Shia brothers in IRAQ. This will escalate and then who is going to stoop the conflagration? The OIC? The UN, OPEC? – as a result of such a war, ( of course Saudi Arabia and the petro Sheikhdoms ( Kuwait, Abu Dhabi etc) will be drawn in and that should signal the end of the world economy – and we will all be in for bad times. This is the simple structure, in a nut shell.
In other words the West will lose economically, the longer such a war should go on – and so there is little fear of Islamic ideology when it is Muslim fighting against Muslim, but for the overall effect on the West’s economy.
Iran today has the capacity to close the Persian Gulf to oil traffic… and think of the gas pipes from Iran to the West….. So it is in the interest of the West to contain Iran – and Iran’s nuclear ambitions would effectively upset the balance of power in that oil area. Bad for business in the short run.
You surely do not expect the US to be putting out all the fires that could arise, in spite of this headline that Iran and Syria must be defeated militarily .Look through the archives here)
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3378#respond |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 17:00:04
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Originally posted by SANTANFARA
Germany is as diverse as any other society. some countries today are worst than germany .so let us not generalise. holland liberal culture may be a thing of the past. they have been taken over by the ghost and shadows.
Santanfara, this is what I meant from the beginning. But stereotypes are long-lived, the more if they are proceeded and repeated, e.g. by the mass media. Of course there are also very unfriendly stereotypes about the British. Narrow-mindedness, stiffness, brigandism, inbreed etc., just to mention a few. Once a nation has a handy image, people will cling to it. But in most cases uneducated people have a stronger tendency to fall for such nonsense. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 09:27:04
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Today a big protest demonstration will be held by moslim women, to defend their right to wear burka or niqab. Let's hope all will go well and their will not be any counter demonstrations.
Santanfara: the ghosts and shadows have not reached my home - in fact i haven't seen any anywhere. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 19:48:41
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THanks Momodou!
quote:
Originally posted by Alhassan
quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius
The problem for now is that Muslims have problems with other Muslims, so how are they not going to have problems with the so called Kuffar?
Things are spinning out of control, and this is a period of mourning in Iraq and the Ummah. Someone - the Alims and the religious and tribal leaders should talk sense to the fighting factions: a Muslim is the brother of every other Muslim: One ALLAH, one Rasulullah - salallahu alaihi wa salaam, one Quran, one qibbla, not this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6178994.stm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231557,00.html
Seems that some are more concerned with headgear in Europe than about stopping the bloodshed after Saddam......
Here Scottish Sheikh AbalQadir is saying that the Kuffar are in crisis:
http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/articles/Art018-02062004.html
Search though his site for some sense talk on the veil! ( Although I don't like his anti-Semitic views ( I am familiar with them since '86)
Yes, he himself has read the Quran
Cornelius,
Where have you got the idea that "The problem for now is that Muslims have problems with other Muslims, so how are they not going to have problems with the so called Kuffar"?
The problem is with the west and their allies. The bombing of the Mosques is Irak is not done by Muslims. I belive it is done by MOSSAD and CIA. I suggest we put side the difference in pratice between the Sunna and Shia. Moslems in general see all mosques as a house of God. Only the disbelivers do these things.
The people of Irak has nothing to gain if their country is disstabilised. The dark forces must be rejoicing to see the middle East fall.
Al-Hassan,
Still keeping it crisp and short:
http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/
Did you listen to this: The Dismantling of the Political Class as Prelude to the Restoration of Personal Rule : The Islamic Position
http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/audio.html
Don't miss the Islamic Legacy of Timbuktu - as you search trough:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=AbdalQadir+as-Sufi&btnG=Search&meta=
Ian Dallas appears in Fellini's 8 and 1/2 ... he is of course an intellectual - that you can tell by the company he kept. He was also a successful publisher.....
(The anti-Semitic views I found in " For the Coming Man" and some other talks that he has given from time to time, some available on audio cassettes.)
I still stick to that Per Ahlmark dictum: that a democracy does not declare war on another democracy.( The reverse of that statement ought not weaken our premise, as history will testify.)
The purpose of toppling the military structure on which Saddam’s dictatorship was based and his whole society structured, was to replace it, to then establish a democracy. Of course you and I know that democracy is by ballot and not bullet, but Saddam claims(in that CBS interview with Tony Benn) that he was far better than George Bush, because he won the popular vote by scoring 99% of the Iraqi vote. Can you beat that?
So you see the dilemma of the Iraqi people, 55% of whom are Shia, and you know as well as I do that the Kurds are not in love with him either.
What would you do if in the Gambia, you had a dictator of the extreme sort that was Saddam, and he had the military and security machinery with which to oppress you? ( Yes, I know that you would pray)
I agree with your suggestion that we put aside the differences between the Sunni and Shia. If Muslims were united they would probably have another set of problems with non- Muslims ( the West etc)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=putting+aside+Shia++and+Sunni+differences&btnG=Search&meta=
And of course if instead of the Sunnis murdering the Shia and the cycle of revenge, inevitably set in motion, there would be one Iraq today and in the future.
Where did YOU get the idea that “ the bombing of the Mosques is Irak is not done by Muslims.” ?
Why do you “belive it is done by MOSSAD and CIA”, that “Moslems in general see all mosques as a house of God.” and that “Only the disbelivers do these things.” ( i.e. bomb mosques?
I agree with the latter. Only disbelieving so called believers bomb their own mosques
Are you sure that you are familiar with the early history of Islam?
In any fight between Sunni and Shia, I will always be on the side of the Ahl-ul-Bayt, on the side of Imam Ali, alaihi salaam and Imam Mahdi, alaihi salaam. Don’t worry, I have thought about it. There is no doubt about it, al Hassan.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=Ahl-ul-Bayt++&btnG=Search&meta=
You remember under prime minister Sharon, Israel leaving Gaza, destroying their houses but leaving the synagogues intact, behind? Why do you think that the Israelis did not destroy their synagogues?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=HOw+many+synagogues+destroyed+in+the+six+day+war%3F&btnG=Search&meta=
Before the Six-day war do you know how many synagogues were destroyed by the Arabs? 56 synagogues were destroyed! And a Jewish friend from Morocco who was a twenty-year old in ‘67, tells me how they fought hand to hand , man to man , from street to street to regain the Holy City of Jerusalem, - because they did not want to use heavier weaponry, that could have destroyed any synagogue.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=How+many+synagogues+in+Israel+were+destroyed+by+the+Arabs+in+&btnG=Search&meta=
Do you know the HOLINESS OF A TORAH SCROLL?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=the+HOLINESS+OF+A+TORAH+SCROLL&btnG=Search&meta=
You see/saw Saddam holding the Holy Quran in his left hand in Court?
He bombed a mosque in Kurdistan – according to the testimony of a Kurdish witness during his trial. You may arrive safely at your own conclusion about what believers and unbelievers can and cannot do: I have said before that George W. Bush is my best friend because I begged him and he did not bomb the Imam Ali ( alaihi salaam) mosque in Najaf at the time when Muqtada al-Sadr was holed up in that mosque. He is therefore a believer.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=Did+Saddam+burn+mosques%3F&meta=
Its true that there was a joke about Kissinger wishing both sides success in the Iraq–Iran war (the war which Iraq IMPOSED on Iran, when they invaded that country, occupied an area larger than Kuwait, destroyed the oil city of Abadan - and it took the Iranians two years of heroic fighting and great human sacrifice to kick them out – it is said that Saddam even had his Iraqi Shia in the warfront to fight their Shia brothers in Iran – same Davozda Imam, alaihim salaam! What a tragedy…….
Still, I have some difficulty in believing that the USA/ CIA would like to destabilise Iraq for the Republicans to lose the next election. To begin with, that will not help the oil to flow unimpeded to an America that would die of thirst for oil…those automobiles would have to start queuing for gas and as you know, the price of oil is going DOWN – not because of the insurgency or the beginning of the civil war .
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2006/11/20/6495.shtml
Both civil war and insurgency will/ would stop the flow and the price would go – UP.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=How+civil+war+in+Iraq+likely+to+affect+oil+price&btnG=Search&meta=
But what’s worse is what is also most likely to follow, if we don’t do everything to stop the sectarian fighting before it escalates. And whilst that is going on, Israel ( I assume ) will be dealing with the Palestinians ( yes I said Palestinians , without prejudice)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6183942.stm
You may believe or be fooled by Iran wanting to acquire nuclear weapons, but I’m not. They keep on yapping about “wiping out Israel” and such words and intentions are lovingly received among the fanatical Muslim masses because Iran as you know wants to be popular and the leader of all Muslims. After Hezbollah’s recent
“ success” they must be feeling giddy. But they know that even if hungry for the martyrdom of their whole nation, they wouldn’t dare or be crazy enough to attack Israel with them - because first of all the devastating reply would come from the sea and it is those who control the waves that rule and with a historic first strike, not to mention the wrath of the Jews in New York, Iran would be turned into a desert. No. The danger is that we could be in for a repeat of the Iran -Iraq war once Sunni fighters from predominantly Sunni countries start arriving in Iraq in larger numbers to help their Sunni brothers in order to thwart the imminent or near future establishment of a nuclear armed Iran- Iraq Shia confederation ) and when IRAN steps in to help their Shia brothers in IRAQ, this will escalate and then, who is going to stop the conflagration? The OIC? The UN, OPEC? As a result of such a war, ( of course Saudi Arabia and the petro-Sheikhdoms ( Kuwait, Abu Dhabi etc) will be drawn in like before and this time, that should signal the end of the world economy as we know it – and we will all be in for bad times. This is the simple structure, in a nutshell.
In other words the West will lose economically, the longer such a war should go on – and so presently there is little fear of Islamic ideology when it is Muslim fighting against Muslim far away from Europe but for the overall effect on the West’s economy.
Iran today has the capacity to close the Persian Gulf to oil traffic… and think of the gas pipes from Iran to the West, ( more glory and prosperity to Russian gas if this happens)….. So it is in the interest of the West to contain Iran – and Iran’s nuclear ambitions would effectively upset the balance of power in that oil area. Bad for business in the short run.
You surely do not expect the US to be putting out all the fires that could arise, in spite of this headline that Iran and Syria must be defeated militarily.
You notice that I have not mentioned the centre of the Middle East, but please look through the archives here)
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3378#respond
I have just read this article by Hanne Kjöller in today’s Dagens Nyheter and it is a matter that is or should be of concern to both of us – if you are also interested in permission for Halal slaughter that is…..
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=956&a=&sb949i0=2_956
For the benefit of those who do not read Swedish I’ll translate/ paraphrase the paragraphs that I think interest Hassan and I most:
Hanne Kjöller: Kosher slaughter: NO Thanks! ( NB: She’s of Bani Israel)
I’ll start from paragraph three:
“Discrimination, Oppression, and violations ( of people’s rights) are without a doubt a part of today’s Sweden. But that doesn’t mean that everything that one doesn’t like can be sorted into just any of the categories. To not subscribe to the Homosexual movement's views on Lesbian “Rights” to tax-financed insemination is not necessarily an expression of homophobia. Just as criticism of Israel’s policies does not need to mean anti-Semitism, or that criticism of women’s situation in Iran is Islamophobia.”
I’ll skip the next paragraph and continue with
” When chairwoman Lena Posner-Körösi argues that Kosher slaughter should be permitted in Sweden, she does so by treading on all the possible sensitive, sore and tender toes( The TV programme of 4/11) . The Legislation (about that) says Lena Posner-Körösi, was introduced during the 1930s and Nezi Germany’s period of infamy. And that what we have today is consequently “ old Nezi law that still remains”.
She (Hanne Kjöller) goes on to explain that it’s no to Kosher and Halal slaughter because the state wants to protect the animals from unnecessary suffering.
She brings up an instance of Lena Posner-Körösi’s telling observation that there are many survivors and children of survivors of the Nezi Holocaust in the congregation and that when they do to the Kosherian where they can buy imported Kosher meat they are thus reminded that they” do not have the same rights as our Jewish people in other countries in Europe.”
Kjöller then gets a little nasty and not (wholly logical either) So I’ll skip that – ( I’m off to the cinema) but here’s something that could make you happy, al Hassan:
When she (Hanne Kjöller) says, that “ The Muslim halal slaughter which is technically done in more or less the same way, is forbidden as well. Whilst the Muslims in Sweden have accepted a modernised form, by which the animal to be slaughtered is anesthetised before it later on bleeds to death, the Jewish association says NO to such a variant. “
And goes on to say that Kosher and Halal slaughter with anesthetisation is “cruelty to animals”. Hanne Kjöller continues with her last paragraph as a bona fide human member of RSPCA….
This acceptance of the variant form , al-Hassan, would you call it bida or innovation or not?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-46%2CGGLJ%3Aen-GB&q=bida+%28+Islam&btnG=Search&meta=
I have not read this over and do not intend to waste my time editing it…..it does take time to write even the simplest script.
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