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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 09:46:57
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Lemon Time how's Thailand? Actually I agree with your suggestion for the removal of the veil at all sensitive security check points would be a good compromise.
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 12:09:16
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I thing most of us are scaring those outfit is because of terror
But a terrorist will never let one get a suspicions on them as we knew
that they are working very hard to stay in secret.
Lemon Time. Stressing about the look will help us no way out
as you know there is more way of caring bombs.
And Anna, Sister Omega is right about rebellions of these people
because they are feeling of pushing them aside which is very undemocratic.
and there is also a great danger of they out come.
off cause there are some who are just making it as a show nevertheless
Bumping one another is not a good signing of get us out of this danger.
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 12:36:55
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| Are there more pictures you could publish, showing different variants of coverings, veil, headdress and others? |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 13:06:38
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Are you sure what you write down here? Just took a look at those
among many in the QURAN.
This is not culture but commanding from the COMMANDER THE MOST HIGHER:
Sutraning one self is the best but its depending how one is taking it.
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/w_islam/veil.htm
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Originally posted by serenata
jambo, the Holy Coran says nothing about covering the face. Veils are a cultural tradition of certain Muslim countries.
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 13:52:07
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Mbay, I insist: I didn't find anything in the Coran saying that a woman should cover her face.
All kinds of clothing comply with local climate, and of course social rules. To give an extreme example: If traditional rain forest people wear clothes, they die of pneumonia because their clothes are getting wet many times a day. Christian missionaries killed a lot of those people by forcing them to cover themselves. Do you think GOD would like this? |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 15:07:04
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Originally posted by serenata
Cornelius, once again I have to deal with your offences against Germans, the more as you seem to have infected others with your dirty venom..........
Serenata, I don't see any anti-German comment in any of Cornelius's postings above, so I believe your reaction is a misunderstanding. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 15:30:48
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i dont know if you has took a littel views in the website i sent to you.
if not here is littel part of it.
."Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty......And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (Quran 24:30,31)
As i said it depends how one has understood it.
By the way this not about against women’s but avoiding reflection of sinner& etc.!
E.g. we seeing here daily what is happens to the women, even new born baby have no protection anymore.
I m not saying that this not happen in other cultures or religions but ì took it that you will be with me in this case
that most of it is rolling here than any where, isn’t?
I can’t said it have more to do with the religions or cultures but they playing a major rolls.
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Originally posted by serenata
Mbay, I insist: I didn't find anything in the Coran saying that a woman should cover her face.
All kinds of clothing comply with local climate, and of course social rules. To give an extreme example: If traditional rain forest people wear clothes, they die of pneumonia because their clothes are getting wet many times a day. Christian missionaries killed a lot of those people by forcing them to cover themselves. Do you think GOD would like this?
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 15:57:02
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Mbay, this is why I don't like a ban of the niqab or burka, except for working at places where you have to meet the public.
Momodou, maybe it was the last straw that broke the camel's back, after an endless series of direct and indirect insults:
"The wonderful English Gambiebev made my morning, with this:
'I disagree with Daltons implication about Dutch people. I have always found them to be liberal minded and fair. Very different to Germans, more like the English mindset.' (GambieBev)"
Of course you could say that anyone is free to speak out whom he likes or dislikes. But the context and the meaning is what matters - at least after German laws. BTW Gambiabev implicitly insulted ALL Germans as being unfair.
That C. indirectly pointed at me (and used Gambiabev’s posting to do it) is underlined by his next passage: „No foaming at the mouth here“ – he quoted me, and he did this not for the first time. May I ask for which purpose, and is it really necessary to spread prejudices here? If certain people think it is necessary, and if I am (or Germans as a whole are) the target it is my right to give an answer.
My fault was to refer only to him, and not to Gambiabev. But I think this is hereby corrected. I am tired of all this. |
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leokat
United Kingdom
123 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 16:21:37
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Lemon Time how's Thailand? Actually I agree with your suggestion for the removal of the veil at all sensitive security check points would be a good compromise.
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Sister Omega
I agree with the pair of you. However,only on the condition that culturally acceptable (female definately, Muslim?) staff are on hand to oversee the process/staff the check points etc.
Personally I find I have no more difficulty communicating with a person wearing a full veil. My husband was without sight and I guess I somehow picked up on his methods of communication. I think I am very unusual amongst non Muslim British people in this.
It does worry me the amount of media space this topic has taken up in Britain recently. What might have been a useful and illuminating debate appears to have been reduced (certainly in the 'red top' tabloid media) to yet another excuse to stigmatise and marginalise.
A few weeks ago one of our politicians (Jack Straw) admitted that he always asks veiled (Muslim) women who come to him in his private surgery (office) for advice to remove their veil. I have 'big issues' with a powerful white male asking this of a (probably) troubled and vulnerable woman. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 17:29:03
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I agree with your recommendation of having female and preferably muslim women available to oversea the process or staff at these check points.
I wonder whether or not Jack Straw will retain his seat( which has a high Muslim population) at the next General Election after all Oona King lost her seat for Bethnal Green because she supported the British invasion on Iraq. If indeed Straw has always insisted on the removal of the veil then does he insist on people wearing sunglasses to remove them as well?
Isn't enforcing veil removal from muslim women an infringement on their Human Rights,Civil liberties as well as away to undermine the belief systems of those women, who choose to wear them. By trying to undermine muslim patriarchal system as an indirect assault on muslim men- by demasculating sections of the muslim community whose women choose to where the burka?
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 18:34:53
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| Sorry if I caused any offence. I didnt mean INDIVIDUAL Germans, I meant German society compared to Dutch society. The attitudes are very different. Netherlands are much more liberal in GENERAL. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 18:46:00
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| I agree with you on this one Lady Bev Netherlands are much much liberal in General. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 18:52:36
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| Ok, Bev. But you see how critical generalizations can be, and that they can be abused. Have you ever been to Germany? |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 18:59:43
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| Bev i think you upset my Friend SERETATA. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2006 : 19:09:51
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Lemon Time, go and play with your (mosqui-)toes.
Bev, my question was meant serious, not provocative. |
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