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Cornelius
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 Posted - 11 Nov 2006 : 18:40:36
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Carl Bildt on the judgment:
http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/7350/a/71895
Hank Eso writes:
http://www.kwenu.com/publications/hankeso/2006/saddam_endpoint.htm
It is worth pointing out that when Saddam was discovered in that hole in the ground, but for the fact that he should be brought to Justice, he could have disappeared forever without leaving a trace ( like Osama B)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Saddam+Hussein+found&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Some have objected to the judge being a Kurd and would like Saddam to be judged by his Sunni clients?
We know that Iraq is not a theocracy, but out of curiosity for both Sunni and Shia, what does the Sharia say about the death penalty?
Dry Bones Cartoon tells us that “Like the Nazi mass murderers after WW2, Saddam received a death sentence. Unlike them however, he could never say. “ I was just following orders.”
Eichmann's end was somewhat different. He was sentenced to death, hanged, his remains cremated and his ashes dumped in the Mediterranean …..
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Eichmann%27s+end&spell=1
About the effects of Saddam's future on the insurgency, it is doubtful that the "insurgency" will last for ever........the numerical strength of Saddam's support within his own country is not really more than it is and is insufficient to get him re-elected......although the last time he got 99% of the popular vote....
Others fear that he would be a martyr.
Well, we do have Christ on the cross and there were the photo images of Saddam’s statue toppling down, but the image and symbol of him swinging with his toes at the gallows would take its place in photographic history a powerful symbol indeed, and a symbol that’s larger than the man himself.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&sa=N&resnum=0&q=Saddam's%20statue%20toppling&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wi
It’s hardly likely that a trial at the Hague would find him innocent.
Long life in confinement could be the worst punishment …….
The Kurdish people have a case against him. He has to answer to that too, before the next judgment against him...... |
Edited by - Cornelius on 11 Nov 2006 23:00:12 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 01:22:41
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Thanks Cornelius! However where are the WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONS (WMDs)? What about billions spent to detroy a NATION AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES, carnage, environmental hazards, civil crises, more boost to terrorism and aggravated religious wars? All the initiatives and mobilisation of resources were just to topple Sadaam's regime and indict him for alleged crimes against humanity to satisfy a faction of so-called lobby or political group.
The verdict appears to be stage managed to satisfy Bush policy and politically programme or timed to influence mid-term elections of U.S to justify Bush campaign in the fight against TERRORISM.
We are left to bemoan rather than endorse the verdict under remote control of a powerful authority of a super power. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 09:19:05
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Very important question. WHERE?
Some say that they are in Iran. Others say it's North Korea. Yet others guess US of A.
Here he is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
Please also take a look at the section: The Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988)
I was in Nigeria 1981 to 1984. Even followed the attempted coup in Gambia ( 1981) Jerry Rawlings’ second coming 31/12/81 and Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon from there.
The whole world followed the departure of the Shah ( who is entombed in the Muhammad Ali Mosque in Cairo – no one else would have him) The whole world watched the progress of Imam Khomeini ( r.a.) and when he said “ The people is the army and the army is the people” it was more or less all over for the old regime & Savak. I must admit that I saw that war entirely from the Iranian perspective as I was wholly on that side and read Iranian papers and mostly associated with Iranians and pro-Iranian Shia during the last two years of the war.
Here he is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
WHERE ARE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? You could ask Colin Powell and Tony Blair especially the latter about Saddam’s capability and ability to launch a blitzkrieg within 45 minutes. I saw the live session in the House in Commons on BBC, with him saying, You guys sitting here on your asses, when Saddam can finish us in 45 minutes?That really scared the sheet out of the House of Commons and me in my TV armchair, when I heard Tony Blair, considering that Saddam is the kind of man that had said that if attacked the Americans would " swim in their own blood!”
Minutes later the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith was ready to sign some papers that it was legal ( and from the point of view of those about to be annihilated , necessary) to go to war.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Lord+Goldsmith+declares+it+legal+to+go+to+war+against+Iraq&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
You would have thought that Saddam would take up all these matters that you bring up in grandstanding his own self-defence. Did he? We have only seen parts of his trial. The trial should be an accounting for the whole period of his rule so that we get a clear picture of what happened.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Saddam+Hussein&meta=
WHERE ARE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
I guess that they are still looking for them. Doesn’t mean that the Golden Mountain or the Mountain of Gold doesn’t exist just because you can’t find it.
For those who are not so idle:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=+Bertrand+Russell:the+Golden+Mountain+&spell=1
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 10:33:54
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The dossier tabled at UN was principally on WMD, UN, American experts and International Energy Agency (IEC). That was the political justication to declare the ultimatum.
Cornelius am off on this crude topic! Discern the REALITIES, FACTS AND POLITICS of oil and religion.
Thanks for the brief interaction. Have a nice day! |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 10:47:37
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"Crude topic" did you say?
I suppose you are talking about naft/ oil, again.
CRUDE....
Nothing like Bonny Light.
Anyway, don't worry - and don't run away
“ When the revolution comes
some of us will catch it on TV
with chicken hanging from our mouths “
(The Last Poets)
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 11:02:47
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| Its CRUDE OIL AND CRUDE POLICIES. What kind of revolution are you saying? |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2006 : 11:50:19
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The Islamic Revolution in Iran among others.....(n.b. Cuba is numero 50 in that Human development Index)
No, kobo,I was thinking that as I watched Tony Bliar address the House of Commons, could have been some leg of chicken hanging from my mouth:
http://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/LAST-POETS/last_poets0.html
N.B. 2, nice like ice, Kobo, I'm not only interacting with you.....
N.B 3, Kongolo Mobutu ( Mobutu's son) was also known as Saddam Hussein. The name turned up in some Lingala lyrics in the 90s and I was wondering why Saddam was figuring so prominently in Soukous and even as far down as South African Kwela.....Kongolo was minister of information.....
U2
Have a good day
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 13 Nov 2006 : 23:42:33
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[quote]Originally posted by Cornelius
Carl Bildt on the judgment:
http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/7350/a/71895
Cornelius, I suppose you expected us to comment on Bildt´s judgement on the link saying
"I regret that Iraq has not chosen to abolish the death penalty."
When will any Swedish prime minister say "I regret that United States of America has not chosen to abolish death penalty"?
More than 70 countries in the world apply to death sentence.
My personal opinion is that Sadam should not be hanged but kept in prison for th rest of his life. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 04:31:01
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Sadaam's verdict by death penalty is the same as shooting or eliminating Sadaam on the spot when he was caught. Any ways of punishment for Sadaam does not solve the political mess, astrocities and crises in Iraq.
A prisoner of war deserves any suitable punishment in the hands of of its enemies! |
Edited by - kobo on 14 Nov 2006 04:51:20 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 13:17:47
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Originally posted by kiwi01
[quote]Originally posted by Cornelius
Carl Bildt on the judgment:
http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/7350/a/71895
Cornelius, I suppose you expected us to comment on Bildt´s judgement on the link saying
"I regret that Iraq has not chosen to abolish the death penalty."
When will any Swedish prime minister say "I regret that United States of America has not chosen to abolish death penalty"?
More than 70 countries in the world apply to death sentence.
My personal opinion is that Sadam should not be hanged but kept in prison for th rest of his life.
Kiwi, this is to Kobo too:
In his speech to the PEN Club in Stockholm in 1979, Wole Soyinka (I was fortunate to have him all to myself for a few hours over the course of a week!) did a review of the culture of dictatorship in Africa (Idi Amin and retributive Justice was the main focus) and he quoted Bretch (cannot recall the precise words - I think it’s from "Mother Courage") to the effect that "He who acts like the enemy IS the enemy"....... This has been followed by his REITH lectures on the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/reith2004/lecturer.shtml
Yes, I expect the reaction that you anticipate even as I pray for the release of RON ARAD and the recently (July 12th)three kidnapped Israeli soldiers held prisoner by Hezbollah and also for the immediate release of Gilead Shalit considering, this ethic:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Pidyon+Shvuyim&spell=1
PS: And if Israel and South Africa had not abolished the Death Penalty, just think of how many people WOULd have been hanged.
Question is , would it have made things a lot better?
Now that I have more time you are absolutely right in that I expect you AND Saddam to say “"I regret that Iraq has not chosen to abolish the death penalty."
It is unlikely that a president (Saddam still thinks that he is one) or an ex-president of the United States of America will be electrocuted for first degree murder or any such crime.
In the civilised world, the death penalty will be a thing of the past:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Swedish+Prime+ministers%27+views+on+the+death+penalty&btnG=Search&meta=
As to Swedish prime ministers, I think that all Swedish prime ministers of the past sixty years or so have always said "I regret that United States of America has not chosen to abolish death penalty"?
I think that Sweden has already set the very humane example and does not have the death penalty and from time to time the Swedish people have made appeals against the harsh penalties in Texas – lethal injections and the electric chair.
As Richard Pryor jokes- so seriously in Black Ben the Blacksmith, “the Ni##er gets killed!”
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Richard+Pryor%3A+Black+Ben++the+Blacksmith&btnG=Search&meta=
This would be an election issue if for example Danny Glover was running for president on the Democrat ticket:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+death+penalty+in+the+United+States&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Please read the speech which Danny Glover delivered at Princeton ( and as you know black people are overrepresented in US crime statistics, in US jails, and as “Strange Fruit” right from crucifixion, and lynching days – to death by lethal injection and the electric chair:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Danny+Glover+and+the+death+penalty&btnG=Search&meta=
We could begin at home (wherever you think that is) in the Gambia for example and campaign SERIOUSLY for the abolishment of the Death Penalty…..that way we would save many innocent and even not so innocent lives.
I don’t know whether Saddam is going to heaven or paradise but I too do not want him hanged although he has hanged many. The biography of Saddam that I read before his invasion of Kuwait (with an introduction by Tony Benn) begins with Saddam getting rid of some of his enemies. He gets them to read their “confessions” on National TV – that they have been working as spies, on behalf of Israel and as unmercifully as Eli Cohen was hanged, so he hanged them at the City Square in Baghdad…. So unlike Hank Eso, I don’t think that the words of the Sheriff in “The One-Eyed Jack” went sizzling through Saddam’s cold hearted serpent when he heard the sentence. The call was much closer to home and he knows what he means when he shouts “traitors!” I am only surprised that he did not also shout, “INFIDELS!”
The thing about Westerns, (Like The One-Eyed Jack) is that gun-talk, and gun-law Justice always wins in the end and you could watch the Saddam movies starring Saddam as the Villain and George W as the Sheriff from Texas bringing the villain to Justice – the immediate hero and the denouement beginning somewhere where that brother finds Saddam hiding in the hole.
If George Bush, having smoked him out at Tora Bora could resurrect USAma Bin Laden and bring him back to America to face Justice, then he would surely get a constitutional life –extension and go down in history with a THIRD term as US chief Sheriff and president……
In the meantime in Sweden, Islam is slowly taking over, thanks to SaddaM:
http://www.thelocal.se/5506/20061114/?PHPSESSID=9fb02cf923e615f5fd61c5bf6d4ae4d4 |
Edited by - Cornelius on 14 Nov 2006 17:29:27 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 18:30:24
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| These were also Sadaam's silly mistakes; i.e Invasion of Kuwait and war with Iraq's muslim neighbours and Iran. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 14 Nov 2006 : 22:49:04
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| I would like to reply to this topic ( one more time) but the margin on the left is so wide that it's difficult to read what's on the right side of the page....a little adjustment of that margin could suit my screen....plea-ze |
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Cornelius
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Santanfara
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 21:28:43
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Originally posted by Cornelius
I would like to reply to this topic ( one more time) but the margin on the left is so wide that it's difficult to read what's on the right side of the page....a little adjustment of that margin could suit my screen....plea-ze
thank pa conlinieus for the good research. but i will not dwell too much on saddam.he is sad. he murdered so many people when in power ,so let the sword apply to him. leave by the sword and you.......
saddAM have no value for human life.for ALHASAAN saddam did not and never champion Islam. he was an avid secularist and pure nationalist.he took the American's and westerners in general as his buddies so why the crocodile tears.let him die.i am not happy that he is to be hang but he did authorise some of the killings ,so let the sword be ready.
dictators believe they will never be caught well one by one they are been tried and jailed. charles taylor is the latest.i hope this trend continue.saddam may Allah forgive you but the law is the law and no one should be above it. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 15 Nov 2006 : 21:36:39
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| Everyone who advocates death penalty has my best wishes for the day he himself is sentenced to death - guilty or not. |
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