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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 10:35:32
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To begin with I must obesrved that Cornelius posted this following extracts under the wrong topic and appears to have been overcited by moderators and Admin; or may not? However shifting relevant details about Sadaam from Topic of Muhamad under World Religions pending edition and intervention by moderators to deal with those extracts posted by Cornelius as follows. Its useful to start this introduction of this new topic with them.
CORNELIUS POSTED:
"I've been following Saddam's fate since this morning
It faintly reminds me that in the Book of Esther, Haman got hanged.
http://yq.search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=yq-tb&x=wrt&yq=1&p=Haman&yq_rs=rs_in
More about that verdict, when someone else starts it under WORLD POLITICS.
Like everything else, I also have my own thoughts about these matters.
I think that I am very well acquainted with the subject called Saddam Hussein –
I read his biography ( with a forward by Tony Benn - the father of Hilary Benn)
WORLD POLITICS: Also an area of controversy.
Perhaps this will help a little – as the biography itself is a thick little book and there’s nothing holy about it…-.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Tony+Benn+on+the+biography+of+Saddam+Hussein&spell=1
PS 1 In most of the TV footage, reactions seem to be divided bewteen The Shia+Kurdish (joy) and Sunni camps ( lamenting 630,000 Iraqi dead, since the invasion.... there were also 2 million dead - killed by the war that Saddam imposed on Iran. What about his adventures in Kuwait?
PS 2 The Kurds are Sunni
There are essential differences between the SHIA and the Sunni ( the first question that Prof Abu Wafa al-Taftazani asked me ( in his study in Cairo, Egypt) was about that difference and I told him that I know - fully - all about it and so we proceeded to talk about something else
I think that it is wrong for Saddam to be portrayed as a hero of Sunni Islam - any hero of Islam (in my opinion) would adhere to the Quran and authentic Islamic traditions:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Biography+of+Saddam+Hussein&spell=1"
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 10:48:25
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As I have said previously, one mans hero is another mans terrorist.
It is some kind of justice for all of those murdered under Saddams regime. I dont like the death penalty and many labour MPS oppose it, but if you allow an independent judiscary then you must abide by their decision. I wonder how many appeals there will be? Are there any loopholes he can get off on? Will he be on death row for years, or will he hang soon?
I would have prefered him to be imprisoned for the rest of his natural life, but the cost of the security for that would be very high.
Is it possible for Saddam to do such terrible acts and still consider himself a good Muslim? The thinking behind that is very warpped. Clearly all good people that believe in GOD should be peace loving and definately shouldnt murder anyone. The logic behind murdering in the name of GOD mystifies me, whether Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Sikh or Jew. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 12:26:58
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Originally posted by gambiabev
........... but if you allow an independent judiscary then you must abide by their decision.
AN ILLEGAL TRIAL UNDER AN ILLEGAL OCCUPATION.
only Amnesty International and the Russians have been straight and honest in all this.
Gambiabev, i dont think this was an independent trial. the judge was appointed by americans to replace the old judge who wasnt following their 'orders'.the first judge resigned due to interference in the trial.. clearly you have not been following the trial.
for decades, we have seen the EU/UK condemn the Dealth Penalty everywhere especially where a Brit/EU citizen is involved.maybe you forget that the US illegally killed a german citzen in Arizona some years back which was condemned by everyone. Germany even when to the international court to try the US!!why didnt we respect the independent justice system in the US??
for the British government to come up with such crap as
''Appalling crimes were committed by Saddam Hussein's regime. It is right that those accused of such crimes against the Iraqi people should face Iraqi justice.'' is a disgrace. a great country with great history is following the US like a stupid sheep.
perhaps when a british national is sentenced to dealth in a foreign country we should respect that country's jusctice as well.
infact to trial Saddam and not extend the responsibilty to those who armed and supported him during his madness is itself a joke. Fools!! |
Edited by - njucks on 06 Nov 2006 12:28:45 |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 12:36:14
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Kobo. Long last that you see, that the topics is part of politics.
And most of people are changing it to religions!
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 14:07:17
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My personal belief is against the death penalty. But if I did something wrong in a country where there is a death penalty then IF there was a fair trial then I would live or die by that trial. I dont agree with the British government bailing people out, unless they seriously think it is an unfair trial. (There is a case in Pakistan at the moment I think? )
Tony Blair has just said at a news conference that he is against the death penalty, but wouldnt be drawn in to saying tht Saddam shouldnt been executed. He said it was a matter for the iraqi people.
In USA the death penalty is a very political issue. Many many more black, working class people are executed than white middle class people. Laughable justice.
Njucks are you a supporter of Saddam? Would you have him still in power, still terrorising his own people? |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 14:23:20
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It is not at all necessary to be a follower of Saddam (which I am definitely not!!) to see that this is victor's justice, and to see that the jury was not free. But how could any jury be free and uninfluenced under the current circumstances in Iraq?
I agree with njucks, and this has nothing to do with 'sympathy for the devil': "AN ILLEGAL TRIAL UNDER AN ILLEGAL OCCUPATION." |
Edited by - serenata on 06 Nov 2006 14:24:35 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 14:28:29
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SO what is the choice now? A retrial? The appeals? Hang him? Set him free?
It was always going to be a difficult trial. Clearly the Americans have influenced things, but does that make it invalid? |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 14:33:20
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| It does. Any judge or attorney has to drop a case he is personally involved in because his judgment or the facts he presents could be biased and false. The Saddam trial should have taken place at Den Haag. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 14:36:28
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| But then there has been lots posted on bantaba about how the criminal should be tried on the soil of the country they committed their crime. EG a South Africa in South Africa and so on, I think it is a no win situation for all involved. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 14:44:02
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Njucks are you a supporter of Saddam? Would you have him still in power, still terrorising his own people?
this question belongs to your government.
the point is, Blair's opinion is irrelevant.its lacks credibility. i might not have supported Saddam at all, but the US/UK did and did so precisely when he was terrorising his people. i dare say he was encouraged because they armed him.
to now switch sides and 'try' him, is the LAUGHABLE JUSTICE.
you miss the even bigger picture, as what have been achieved is not justice but American shallowness has created a divided nation. what Iraq needs is a transition through reconcilliation.
if you think that more blacks and mexicans are killed in the US then how about this in today's Iraq...
sunnis where protesting and most shiites celebrating, the judge was an ethnic Kurd.
you see how stupid americans and their allies are?
do not worry about Saddam the Russians have made it clear that the dealth penalty will not be carried out
''Today's ruling was quite predictable, .....
....The punishment was deliberately chosen to be the harshest.
On the other hand, I think that the death sentence on Saddam Hussein is unlikely to be carried out. It will be stopped one way or another, either at the level of the Iraqi president or by other means.'' |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 14:46:14
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| I agree the challenge is to find a way to reconcillation for deeply divided people in the same nation. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 16:22:19
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Njucks,
I share your opinion. All those who contributed to make him as he is has to face juctice otherwise is is very unfair. The problem is Sadam is a muslim and Arab. There is no mercy from the west in regards to muslims or Arabs. This is very distinct where the whole western countries want Iran to disarm when Isreal is not to. The Atomic power in the middle East today is Israel. I hope the Arab Leuge says no! to disarm Iran |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 17:42:44
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Originally posted by mbay
Kobo. Long last that you see, that the topics is part of politics.
And most of people are changing it to religions!
Not quite in agreement at some point. We have certain specific topics, opinions and views related to World Religions and for comparatives etc! |
Edited by - kobo on 06 Nov 2006 22:23:04 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Nov 2006 : 00:35:57
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Enjoy video clips on Sadaam's trial and verdict under Times TV
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,29809,00.html
Hope Admin would make some efforts to download and copy them in compliance with copywrights for archive.
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Edited by - kobo on 07 Nov 2006 00:41:09 |
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