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Cornelius
Sweden
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 Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 19:15:35
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" Cornelius can't continue blaming every German for the crimes committed by Hitler and his regime."
Do go on being super-cilious |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 19:44:49
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Originally posted by Cornelius
We all? Kindly leave me out of your nazi hu-ss-y booby trap
You surely mean you all.
The criminals.
Cornelius, I take this as a personal offence.
Btw.: Like an alcoholic who says 'I can stop drinking at any time' people who feel too secure about their integrity, pointing only at others, are the most endangered. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 25 Oct 2006 : 21:05:07
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| Wacko babble... it's useless. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Afghanistan
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 11:20:25
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Dont Trust the Germans: Jump to:  
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Photos of German troops in Afghanistan with skull spark scandal Wednesday October 25, 06:21 PM By Emsie Ferreira
BERLIN (AFP) - Chancellor Angela Merkel promised tough action after German soldiers in Afghanistan were photographed playing and posing with a human skull.
"The chancellor has made it clear that she finds these pictures shocking and disgusting," government spokesman Thomas Steg said, adding that Merkel wanted the troops responsible to face "strict measures."
Germany's top-selling newspaper Bild on Wednesday printed the photographs of four German soldiers from the NATO-led International
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Security Assistance Force displaying a skull like scalp hunters.
The defence ministry said it had launched an internal investigation and was questioning two men, while Defence Minister Franz Josef Jung threatened to throw the culprits out of the army.
In one of the pictures, a soldier mounts the skull on the cablecutter at the front of a patrol vehicle, which bears both the German flag and the acronym for the international force, ISAF.
In another, a soldier in camouflage uniform and a bullet-proof vest poses with the skull next to his exposed penis.
Bild said the photographs were taken in spring 2003.
The report said the soldiers found the skull in a gravel pit on the outskirts of Kabul while they were patrolling near the Afghan capital.
But the defence ministry said in a statement that it was possible that the soldiers had taken it from a cemetery south of Kabul where it had been exposed by the weather.
Jung told reporters: "These pictures revolt and mystify me."
"It is clear that such behaviour cannot be tolerated from German soldiers. It runs counter to the values and codes of conduct we try to instill in our soldiers. People who behave like this have no place in the Bundeswehr."
The chief of staff of the Bundeswehr, Wolfgang Schneiderhan, said a reservist and a junior officer were being questioned about the incident. Both men were from the Bundeswehr base at Mittenwald in Bavaria in southern Germany.
One of them has completed his tour of duty in Afghanistan and left the army.
"One is still a soldier, one is not. Both are being questioned," Schneiderhan told a press conference.
Schneiderhan said one of the men had come forward after seeing the pictures.
The state prosecuter's office in Potsdam, outside Berlin, confirmed that it had launched a criminal investigation into the affair on the charge of "disturbing the peace of the dead."
The head of Germany's main soldiers' union, Bernhard Gertz, compared the pictures to those of US military personnel abusing detainees in the infamous Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
"Both cases show a lack of respect for human dignity. This is a big setback for the Bundeswehr," he told AFP.
An expert on Afghanistan at the Centre for Development Research in Bonn, Conrad Schetter, warned that German troops could face increased attacks in the Islamic nation for desecrating a human skeleton.
"It is hard to do worse than this in Muslim eyes," he said.
The scandal broke just hours before the German cabinet decided to extend by 12 months the mandate of troops taking part in the US-led campaign against terrorism code-named "Operation Enduring Freedom."
The extension gives Berlin the option of redeploying its KSK elite forces in Afghanistan to help fight the resurgent Taliban.
It also coincided with the release of the defence ministry's first major policy manifesto since 1994, which Jung said paved the ground for Germany to take on more international peacekeeping missions.
Germany is the second biggest contributor of peacekeepers to Afghanistan with 2,750 troops and holds the command of ISAF in the north.
The Bundestag, or lower house of the German parliament, voted last month to extend the troops' mandate in Afghanistan until October 2007.
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2006 : 13:18:42
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(Slightly edited)
There’s going to be some inaccuracy in this and like most of what I submit to this forum it won’t be carefully worded. It could be more carefully worded, but as always, I’m in a hurry.
Later, I'll try to come back with some more relevant thoughts, more carefully expressed, but here I am certainly not being flippant.
I’m still reacting- pensively- not emotionally, to the German Lady saying “Btw.: Like an alcoholic who says 'I can stop drinking at any time' people, who feel too secure about their integrity, pointing only at others, are the most endangered.”
Because I think that there are certain human standards in which we should feel secure and below which we have fallen into the bottomless pit. I can’t elaborate as much as I would like to because my break time is limited.
There ARE standards, ethical standards, and HUMAN standards (and Germany produced all that moral philosophy from Kant - before and after.
The theoretical ethics of Jesus and his brothers I do not find wanting in integrity - I do not doubt His Holiness’ integrity now or then and I do not doubt yours just because you and the Beast in question were Roman Catholics.
The others are the NAZIS. Yes, I do point a finger at them. There is no moral equivalence that you can drum up to compare us and them, but I suppose that you are saying that we are all potentially Nazis or capable of being such. The Hutus were not. Greatly different story
The talk about alcoholism. In “Naked Lunch” William Burroughs talks about the overwhelming imperative, the chemical dictatorship of drug addiction and asks the reader if in the same situation of ABSOLUTE NEED, “wouldn’t you?” – sell your body to raise the money, to satisfy the need, kill and steal sell grandmother to raise the money to satisfy the need? But in the Nazi-induced stupor, are you also saying that the general German anti-Semitic masses were held in the grip of that vice, that hatred, that sin that Jesus is supposed to have died for, crucified, –and now you murdered SIX million of Jesus blood brothers and sisters, children, cousins, nephews uncles and aunts?
Seems that the Nazis were in the devilish grip of some other kind of compulsion.
I stood outside the great cathedral of Cologne for about a half hour and I wondered.
http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=the+great+cathedral+of+Cologne+&btnG=Search+Images
There were not many people that it was possible to communicate with. I told Dr Leonard Lewisohn how I felt. (We had driven in to the city, on some errand, just the two of us) This was in 1988. I said, “Lenny, at the railway station, outside the cathedral, wherever I am in Germany, all that I can hear are the Nazi boots marching, and the train whistle reminds me of the deportations to the concentration camps." These were my thoughts and feelings outside of the Khaniqah that we were there to open. This was all my imagination, historic imagination if you like and let nobody hasten to add that I wasn’t in Nazi Germany, because I wasn’t – nor could I watch the movie Treblinka……
And a few days later when I saw professor Anne Marie Schimmel (almost bent double by life’s pilgrimage) again I thought of the Nazis almost with Keith Richburg’s thoughts: standing like a lumberjack on the banks of that river in Rwanda watching numberless dead bodies float downstream he had said “But for slavery, there go I” and when I greeted Anne Marie Schimmel this time - ( the first time was at the Goethe Institue in Stockholm where she had delivered a lecture on Rumi, some two years earlier) this time and in Germany, on seeing her I thought, "Thank God she survived and made it to the States, became a professor of Islam at Harvard.”
And then your sidekick Biran wrongfully accuses Cornelius: ”Cornelius can't continue blaming every German for the crimes committed by Hitler and his regime."
I never ever said such an atrocious thing. Germans have otherwise been decent and God-fearing people. Many beautiful people. I know a few. And whilst you take up Rwanda as an example don’t forget what the Germans did in Namibia.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=+Germans+atrocities+in+Namibia&btnG=Search&meta=
Of course these are not the norms of civilised behaviour. But let us look at two famous Germans: His Holiness the present Pope, (who I like) and Gunter Grass, whose “The Tin Drum” I read (from my step-dads library, when I was in the third Form about age 13) along with hundreds of other novels about the war…perhaps that’s why I could hear those boots, when I saw so many Turks sleeping outside the Railway station in Hamburg)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=+Gunter+Grass%3A+The+Tin+Drum%3A++&btnG=Search&meta=
Pope Benedict XVI and the Nazis
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Pope++Benedict+XVI+and+the++Nazis&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Neo-Nazism
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Neo-Nazism&btnG=Google+Search
Gunter Grass (Nobel Prize winner in Literature) and Nazism
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Gunter+Grass+and+Nazism&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Today Gerhard Schröder's autobiography will be released and I’m wondering how he covers that aspect of German history – in retrospect because after the past is past, except for the moments so intensely lived and freshly recalled, it’s difficult to write in any other mode but the retrospective.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/1,1518,,00.html
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=+GUNTER+GRASS+on+Nazism&ei=UTF-8&fr=slv8-&x=wrt
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,archiv,00.html
My break time over.
Same with life. One day it‘s over…….
later....ali g
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 04:52:47
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| The Germans have done more evil than good in This World. |
There is no god but Allah |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 09:07:34
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
The Germans have done more evil than good in This World.
That could start a debate by the apologists and explainers and the soft witted.
Here they are joking. The Germans are said to have the greatest sense of humor in all Europe, according to the latest research:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,434399,00.html
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 02:22:27
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| Dont trust the Nazis. |
There is no god but Allah |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 10:37:16
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ALL GERMANYS ARE NOT AS WHAT YOU ARE THINKNG!
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Dont trust the Nazis.
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 10:40:15
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DO YOU ALSO KNOW WHAT BELGIUM HAS DONE IN CENTRAL AFRICA?
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
The Germans have done more evil than good in This World.
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 12:56:49
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| Mbay, don't waste your time on those immature people; don't take them serious. They cry out loud whenever someone insults them or their own group, but do the same wilfully to others. We all know this type of bully from our school days. |
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