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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 20:39:21
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Pro Cornelius,are your holocaust Jewish surving friends forgiven the Racist Germans for the evil things they done to them?Freedom of speech
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 00:01:36
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quote: Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Pro Cornelius,are your holocaust Jewish surving friends forgiven the Racist Germans for the evil things they done to them?Freedom of speech
The watchword is NEVER AGAIN!
What is so very disturbing is that these Germans who gave us so much philosophy, Music, Literature, theatre, engineering feats of science and techology, descended into the pit of barbarism as they systematically and scientifically decimated two thirds of European Jewry and if they had not been stopped - were intent on "the final solution" - to wipe out ALL the Jewish people.
And that is not all. Their number one enemy was the JEWS and their number two enemy was black people like you and me, we, us the non-Aryans, since theirs was the cult not only of white supremacy but also of white Aryan supremacy.
I know a few Gambians and Sierra Leoneans who fought in both wars, who especially fought in the second world war, Gambians like Mahoney and Sierra Leoneans like Johnny Smythe-Macauley who flew for the RAF.
The grand design of the Germans was to ENSLAVE those of the "inferior race." ( African etc. As you very well know, Jews DO NOT subscribe to belief in RACE). There are vestiges of such racist thinking in some of their unrepentant German sons and daughters who say that they feel affronted because I say our people suffered, but some survived.
I'll challenge anyone and he/she does not have to retreat with his/her tail between her legs by the time I'm finished with the matter under discussion.
It's a good question. A very good question. I have heard it asked and even discussed. Kobo posted this link about the sheer scale of the genocide of God's Chosen people.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=388098&in_page_id=1770
The Pope did indeed ask “ Where was God?”
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=The+Holocaust&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&x=wrt
What do you mean , forgive? You mean like Jesus on the cross saying “ Father forgive them because they don't know or understand what they are doing.“
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Neither Jesus nor the Pope or Desmond Tutu could forgive such and I do not forgive it either. I'm not that stupid or unfeeling. We're not that stupid.
It would be easier to forgive the slave trade, colonialism etc. although there is no point in comparing the Holocaust.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=The+Holocaust&btnG=Google+Search
Perhaps you'd like to look at this:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Yehuda+Bauer+%3A+Rethinking+the+holocaust+&btnG=Google+Search
Otherwise I’m just back from an evening with Antonio Lobo Antunes. A pleasant enough evening. He doesn’t believe in inspiration. You want to write? Then WRITE. Like Horace , “ Not a day without a line!” “A thing of beauty is a joy forever!” “If you are faithful to yourself you will write and no one can write like you.!”
He was introduced as one who writes with great intensity ( haven’t read him - my wife has). To find the right word. He thinks that elephant is the absolutely right word and a perfect name for that vast animal. Remember that song: http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/animals.html
He went to Angola as a doctor during the struggle of the Liberation movements to free their countries from colonialism. And his letters though censored – military and political censorship at the time of writing, were later published in book form.
How to deal with time he asked. What is normal? Mentioned “the King of the World” who owned Monte Carlo and the mines of Katanga. Real world?
Question to a fisherman – one of many memorable quotes of the evening: Question: “What are you fishing?” Answer: “Mainly nothing.”
I was surprised by his references to so much of English Literature: Emily Bronte, George Eliot, W.H. Auden, Coleridge. He mentioned Conrad who he says he finally was able to understand COMPLETELY! Yes, that heart of darkness.
In 1974 came the collapse of Portuguese colonialism “ The Splendour of Portugal .” The interviewer said that no one had written about Lisbon with such detail before…… Your country?
I don’t have that kind of concept of country, he said. …. He says that he is “25% German" with a Brazilian grandmother ( if I heard the latter correctly) but ten years ago, he was another person…. And it’s pleasant reading a book that he wrote 20 years earlier - when he was another person. He writes with his whole body. ( Can you do that Lemon Time?) My wife asked him the second question of the evening which I will condense into one simple straightforward question: “ Is there a time for writing and a time for looking at the ceiling?” ( But it was more involved than that.
The short of his long answer:” Try to unify life and writing… the same…” and then he talked about the places where he sometimes feels lost: supermarkets, airports, streets, looking at maps. “ The Jungle is always there” he said about his military service time in Angola, “the same Jungle in which he lost “ (himself ) “ everywhere.”
I did not see any of my friends from Angola, Herr Kush, Herr Amaro……at this literary evening. I really wanted to ask the author, to compare and contrast his feelings about country before 1974 when he was in Angola and this evening before the Nobel Prize winner is announced at 1300 hours Swedish time in STockholm, tomorrow.
This was his definition of an intellectual: “An intellectual is someone who distributes ideas, e.g. Satre who was very rarely an artist.” A passage from one of his books was read in Swedish and then he read the same passage in very melodious samba Portuguese, sounded like Joao Gilberto……
The lilting guitar and voice of Joao Gilberto…. A long way from thoughts of Holocaust.
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 14:12:47
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The Germans done very bad things to the Jewish"THE HOLOCAUSE" |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 16:15:01
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Lemon time, this is why I, as a German, get angry when I read antisemitic phrases from muslims. This happened even here in the Bantaba.
But I fear certain people here are using these crimes, also those of the Catholic church, to fuel the fire of hatred. Hatred against single persons, and hatred of Muslims against Christians/Catholics. Beware. |
Edited by - serenata on 12 Oct 2006 16:20:02 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 22:48:27
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certain persons make jihad!
Here's a policy Paper from the Hudson Institute:
http://andrewbostom.org/images/stories/PolicyReview_JihadThenAndNow_LeeHarris.pdf
The Hudson Institute avows TIKKUN OLAM as its agenda of applied research. This world politics department (in which political/religious ideology is not divorced from practical actions ) is also the battlefield where values may clash.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=The+Hudson+Institute&btnG=Google+Search
Palestinians, North African Muslims and ( of course ) Iraq and the rest of the Arab fold, Turks, the Indian sub-continent, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, Somalia, Eritrea, I've heard them all say at one time or another, " The Israelis/ Jews are treating the Palestinians the way the Nazis treated them !", to which my first question has always been,
"Where are the gas chambers?"
This is too difficult to believe - too far fetched and far from reality for even a broadminded Monotheist or atheist to believe and what is the purpose of this Good Samaritan cartoon, but to show that there are ritual dietary and social laws of segregation in both Judaism and al-Islam in which dhimmitude does not give a place in the inner circle:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=2982#more-2982
and therefore should not be seen as provocative ( by Muslims) but as just outright STUPID as we saw those French protestors against the New Armenian genocide denial laws carrying placards that read “Liberté, égalité, fraternité, STUPIDITE !”
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Libert%C3%A9%2C+%C3%A9galit%C3%A9%2C+fraternit%C3%A9%2C+STUPIDITE+%21&btnG=Search
NEVER AGAIN should include a time when they do not decide to round up all the Ni666rs in Europe, round them all up one time, and put us all in concentration camps in order to ex-terminate us all for once and all. Final Solution: The end of the Negro problem.
Guten Morgen Sister Germany, wherever you may be,
Guten Abend !
P-K Kweshon: Do you have any other strange feelings or misgivings about it?
Last word:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+Pack+of+Thieves&btnG=Google+Search
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Edited by - Cornelius on 14 Oct 2006 12:23:48 |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 22:54:00
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Serenata and Cornelius you both have good points on this debate.Momodou thank for setting the topic for me. |
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Momodou
Denmark
11644 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 23:28:09
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Lemon time, you are welcome. I had to split the topic in order to give it more attention. By the way, the other one was getting off topic. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 00:15:13
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You are right MO,Bravo |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 08:13:11
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ITs nice to know that after all you pray for PEACE MR HAMELBERG THE MOSQUITO OPSS,SORRY. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 09:14:02
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I also pray for Charles Margai |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 09:46:59
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What do you mean when you said?
(It would be easier to forgive the slave trade, colonialism etc. although there is no point in comparing the Holocaust.)
You wanted to makes it clear to us that what happing to the Jews is injustice than to the of slavery-systematically killing.
Holocaust mighty be horrible but do not forget that this happing to the Jewish. And get it again that they are the owner of West (the World powers), the media the bigger banks they control all! And we all knew that the medians are feeding us every day as they please (THEY SAID FREEDOM OF SPEACH)
please don’t compares these two parallels to one?!
Ps. I hope that miss get you?
(Neither Jesus nor the Pope or Desmond Tutu could forgive such and I do not forgive it either. I'm not that stupid or unfeeling. We're not that stupid.
It would be easier to forgive the slave trade, colonialism etc. although there is no point in comparing the Holocaust.
quote: Originally posted by Cornelius Hamelberg
quote: Originally posted by LEMON TIME
Pro Cornelius,are your holocaust Jewish surving friends forgiven the Racist Germans for the evil things they done to them?Freedom of speech
The watchword is NEVER AGAIN!
What is so very disturbing is that these Germans who gave us so much philosophy, Music, Literature, theatre, engineering feats of science and techology, descended into the pit of barbarism as they systematically and scientifically decimated two thirds of European Jewry and if they had not been stopped - were intent on "the final solution" - to wipe out ALL the Jewish people.
And that is not all. Their number one enemy was the JEWS and their number two enemy was black people like you and me, we, us the non-Aryans, since theirs was the cult not only of white supremacy but also of white Aryan supremacy.
I know a few Gambians and Sierra Leoneans who fought in both wars, who especially fought in the second world war, Gambians like Mahoney and Sierra Leoneans like Johnny Smythe-Macauley who flew for the RAF.
The grand design of the Germans was to ENSLAVE those of the "inferior race." ( African etc. As you very well know, Jews DO NOT subscribe to belief in RACE). There are vestiges of such racist thinking in some of their unrepentant German sons and daughters who say that they feel affronted because I say our people suffered, but some survived.
I'll challenge anyone and he/she does not have to retreat with his/her tail between her legs by the time I'm finished with the matter under discussion.
It's a good question. A very good question. I have heard it asked and even discussed. Kobo posted this link about the sheer scale of the genocide of God's Chosen people.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=388098&in_page_id=1770
The Pope did indeed ask “ Where was God?”
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=The+Holocaust&prssweb=Search&ei=UTF-8&x=wrt
What do you mean , forgive? You mean like Jesus on the cross saying “ Father forgive them because they don't know or understand what they are doing.“
?
Neither Jesus nor the Pope or Desmond Tutu could forgive such and I do not forgive it either. I'm not that stupid or unfeeling. We're not that stupid.
It would be easier to forgive the slave trade, colonialism etc. although there is no point in comparing the Holocaust.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=The+Holocaust&btnG=Google+Search
Perhaps you'd like to look at this:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Yehuda+Bauer+%3A+Rethinking+the+holocaust+&btnG=Google+Search
Otherwise I’m just back from an evening with Antonio Lobo Antunes. A pleasant enough evening. He doesn’t believe in inspiration. You want to write? Then WRITE. Like Horace , “ Not a day without a line!” “A thing of beauty is a joy forever!” “If you are faithful to yourself you will write and no one can write like you.!”
He was introduced as one who writes with great intensity ( haven’t read him - my wife has). To find the right word. He thinks that elephant is the absolutely right word and a perfect name for that vast animal. Remember that song: http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/animals.html
He went to Angola as a doctor during the struggle of the Liberation movements to free their countries from colonialism. And his letters though censored – military and political censorship at the time of writing, were later published in book form.
How to deal with time he asked. What is normal? Mentioned “the King of the World” who owned Monte Carlo and the mines of Katanga. Real world?
Question to a fisherman – one of many memorable quotes of the evening: Question: “What are you fishing?” Answer: “Mainly nothing.”
I was surprised by his references to so much of English Literature: Emily Bronte, George Eliot, W.H. Auden, Coleridge. He mentioned Conrad who he says he finally was able to understand COMPLETELY! Yes, that heart of darkness.
In 1974 came the collapse of Portuguese colonialism “ The Splendour of Portugal .” The interviewer said that no one had written about Lisbon with such detail before…… Your country?
I don’t have that kind of concept of country, he said. …. He says that he is “25% German" with a Brazilian grandmother ( if I heard the latter correctly) but ten years ago, he was another person…. And it’s pleasant reading a book that he wrote 20 years earlier - when he was another person. He writes with his whole body. ( Can you do that Lemon Time?) My wife asked him the second question of the evening which I will condense into one simple straightforward question: “ Is there a time for writing and a time for looking at the ceiling?” ( But it was more involved than that.
The short of his long answer:” Try to unify life and writing… the same…” and then he talked about the places where he sometimes feels lost: supermarkets, airports, streets, looking at maps. “ The Jungle is always there” he said about his military service time in Angola, “the same Jungle in which he lost “ (himself ) “ everywhere.”
I did not see any of my friends from Angola, Herr Kush, Herr Amaro……at this literary evening. I really wanted to ask the author, to compare and contrast his feelings about country before 1974 when he was in Angola and this evening before the Nobel Prize winner is announced at 1300 hours Swedish time in STockholm, tomorrow.
This was his definition of an intellectual: “An intellectual is someone who distributes ideas, e.g. Satre who was very rarely an artist.” A passage from one of his books was read in Swedish and then he read the same passage in very melodious samba Portuguese, sounded like Joao Gilberto……
The lilting guitar and voice of Joao Gilberto…. A long way from thoughts of Holocaust.
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