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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
 Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 16:04:29
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Are We not a worth as Africans?
We been Slaved
We been colonised
We been Rubbed&still today
We been tortured
We been murdered
We remembers Father Kunta/a humans cargos across the Atlantic
We Remembers of mass murdering in central Africa by belgium
We remembers the chopping hand's of toureiros of Namibians by Germans
and so on and so on
What happening to us has never happening to an nations before
and i pray that not happening to an again
i know that the compensation will not bring back the things as it was in its roots but it will be a sign of guilty past of human treaty and of acceptably of the West.
We wish at list of accepting for what they done!!!
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 18:19:11
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interesting arguments Mbay but take it from me as i have always said. That cheque will never come! and rightfully so.
The biggest thing Western countries could do for their economies is to write that cheque to Africa, because we will wake up tommorow to spend it all back on them to pay for our imports!
but closer to home every thing you mentioned to have been done to Africans during colonial times, African have done to themselves or even worse in post independence Africa.
there is not enough space on the Bantaba to talk about murder,rape, slaughter and torture.
money is not the problem, trust me. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 18:24:29
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| I never believed that there will be reparations. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 18:31:16
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Originally posted by kondorong
I never believed that there will be reparations.
Ofcourse, you are not a fool |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 18:51:04
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| Perhaps cancelling the debt of African nations could be considered reparations in a way. ????? |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 19:21:20
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| Gambiabev, please. What kind of compensation should this be? The African countries ran into debts because Africa had been ransacked by Europe. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 20:37:51
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quote:
Originally posted by serenata
Gambiabev, please. What kind of compensation should this be? The African countries ran into debts because Africa had been ransacked by Europe.
thanks Serenata. this is precisely the sad bit, people keep feeling sorry for Africans to the point that most Africans dont realise the true crimes being committed. Gambiabev Africa's debt cannot be linked to its past. and frankly if we got our act together and do things properly the debt can be paid in a week. its less than $100bn.
Nigeria after years of corruption cleared its debt when they put an honest woman in charge. it took her two years.
the debt we owe our selves is to stop filling the Swiss Banks. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 22:22:49
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I think reparations starts with knowledge most Africans have been conditioned to look outside of themselves for solutions to our problems. Therefore knowledge of ourselves as Africans is important so are contributions Africans have made over time to the international Community. In reclaiming our legacy this will make us aawre of the monetary contributions we have made to the International Community.
Reparations in the form of trade reorientation lifting unfair trade tarriff off of Africa. Stopping the practice of tied Aid on Africa imposed by the Brettwood Group institutions. This Aid business is a leach on Africans to secure the revenue collected by ex-colonial powers on their former states. Africa will only get reparations when Africans are aware of their worth. The amount of money extorted by the West from illegal slave practices,apprenticeships, indentured
labour extra have been diverted into other captial investments fuelling the Industrial Revolution leading to the Modernity of the West. After the world Wars it was our people forced onto the front lines, and then again used as cheap labour for reconstruction. Since the late 70's immigrations controls have slowed down our access to migratory employment, and now we have become redundant and surplus to requirements due to the harmonization of Europe and the protectism of the US.
There have been prescedence for reparations but what is needed is more focus on the issue by Africans. In short nations who are being serverely curtailed in their progress should not repay their debts if they all refused to repay extortionate interests, what can the world bank and IMF do? If the South was to stop exports to the North the North could only last 18 months. We have been psychologically manipulated into thinking the white man is literally God. When we break this ilusion we free our minds. What debt does Africa owe the West? How fair is a system who expects the poor to pay more than the rich, and in reality to subsidise rich peoples existence?
Peace
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 23:19:38
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If ever there will be reparation, it will only be when African countries have ceased to be consumers of civilization. Unless we make a large contribution to the advancement of human kind, being at the forefront of technological knowledge, making us almost indispensable, it will always remain the shadowy dream of a visionary.
Reparation is directly dependent on what role we chart for ourselves. An organized Africa, where leaders are accountable to their people, where natural resources are used for common good, where citizens have rights to express themselves without fear, elect representatives of their choice without let or hindrance and many others are pre-requisites to an organized and unified front.
Whilst some are clamoring for reparations, some are trying to break the bondage their own governments are inflicting on their citizens. Mass arrests, closure of the very means of education like radio and printed media and also electronic, such a society will forever remain in the dark let alone be able to demand what is theirs.
Unfortunately, our systems of government are inimical to free speech, assembly or association, which are core tactics to put this agenda on the international landscape. Until Gambia and Senegal can have a harmonious border, until Nigeria can recognize the borders with Cameroon (Bakassa Peninsula), until natural resources do not end up in pockets public trustees, this agenda is just a dangerous dream. We must clean our back yards first and then have a common front to demand compensation. NEPAD is dead, SADEC, ECOWAS are bulls with no horns.
There is nothing on that continent that is a galvanizing force. We are not poor but we are poor in organizing. Throughout history, those who have ever been compensated did so as a result of a unified and common front, putting the interest of its political constituents at the forefront.
Nigeria alone provides 25% of oil used in the United States yet, gas is scarce and sometimes-long queues are common occurrence at pumping stations. In the mean time every child born in that country wants to be called CHIEF or OGA. In terms of land size, Zaire is 25% of USA. The most rare minerals are found in Africa. I was watching the news yesterday and read that a woman who claimed to have had electric shocks from the piece, found the biggest diamond in Africa. Guess what, it will not be on the fingers of any one in her country not even the First Lady.
Its not neo colonialism or mental slavery as some may call it. It’s the hard truth for our leaders to be responsive to the cries of their people. Until there are no boat people to Spain, there will not be reparation. YOU CANNOT BITE THE FINGER THAT FEEDS YOU. Food aid by the World Food Programme has become more effective in service delivery than many governments. In some countries, the World Health Organisation has become their ministries for Health supplying drugs, ambulances and even paying salaries of health workers.
Lets not put the cart before the horse. We clean our backyards first before we can start any thing. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 23:47:36
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Originally posted by kondorong
If ever there will be reparation, it will only be when African countries have ceased to be consumers of civilization.
you are wrong we are not consuming civilisation. we are embedding ANARCHY within out society. in most african countries from Angola,S.Leone,Congo (all of them), Sudan etc entire generations of children have grown up knowing how to load, reload, lubricate, lock,fire an AK-47 than ever seeing a pencil!!! or reading a book!
Ironically there is no conscription in these countries.
some of the ''pretenders'' leading these nations tell us that all is well. take the president of Sudan. as far as he is concerned the whole Darfur episode is a propaganda campaign against his sovereign nation, which is his sole duty to protect against us compirators.
A BLEEDING CONTINENT!! |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2006 : 00:00:45
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quote:
Originally posted by njucks
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong
If ever there will be reparation, it will only be when African countries have ceased to be consumers of civilization.
you are wrong we are not consuming civilisation. we are embedding ANARCHY within out society. in most african countries from Angola,S.Leone,Congo (all of them), Sudan etc entire generations of children have grown up knowing how to load, reload, lubricate, lock,fire an AK-47 than ever seeing a pencil!!! or reading a book!
Ironically there is no conscription in these countries.
some of the ''pretenders'' leading these nations tell us that all is well. take the president of Sudan. as far as he is concerned the whole Darfur episode is a propaganda campaign against his sovereign nation, which is his sole duty to protect against us compirators.
A BLEEDING CONTINENT!!
wELL IF YOUR POSTING IS NOT ABOUT CONSUMING CIVILISATION TELL ME WHAT HAVE WE CONTRIBUTED. BY KILLING EACH OTHER, WE CEASE TO BE CONTRIBUTORS. BY NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE A PENCIL, WE CEASE TO BE EDUCATED, AND THEN HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE, AND THEN NO SKILLS.
WHAT ARE WE THEN. JUST CONSUMERS OF WHAT OTHER MAKE. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2006 : 18:17:04
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Kons  Until Gambia and Senegal can have a harmonious border, until Nigeria can recognize the borders with Cameroon (Bakassa Peninsula), until natural resources do not end up in pockets public trustees, this agenda is just a dangerous dream. We must clean our back yards first and then have a common front to demand compensation. NEPAD is dead, SADEC, ECOWAS are bulls with no horns.
There is nothing on that continent that is a galvanizing force. We are not poor but we are poor in organizing. Throughout history, those who have ever been compensated did so as a result of a unified and common front, putting the interest of its political constituents at the forefront.
YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD until this happens everything else is talk.
BUT LET US NOT FORGET HISTORY, WHO SOLD THE AFRICAN TO THE EUROPEANS, africa needs to acknowledge this part of history. 
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2006 : 18:42:07
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they BEEN SOLD:ARE YOU BELIEVING THAT?
CAMOING BRO JAMBO WAHT YOU ARE SAYING MEANS THAT WE HAVE SOLD OUR SOUL AWAY? SOME MIGHT BE CORRECT BUT THERE IS NOWAY OF BLACKMAIL US:
THIS THINGS HAPINGS AND IN VERY BRUTALY WAY OFCOUSE WE HAVE TO CLEAN OUR BACKYARD FISRT BUT WHAT IT HAVE TO DO OF WHAT I HAVE MENSON BEFORE? |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 12:03:09
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quote:
Originally posted by njucks
quote:
Originally posted by serenata
Gambiabev, please. What kind of compensation should this be? The African countries ran into debts because Africa had been ransacked by Europe.
thanks Serenata. this is precisely the sad bit, people keep feeling sorry for Africans to the point that most Africans dont realise the true crimes being committed. Gambiabev Africa's debt cannot be linked to its past. and frankly if we got our act together and do things properly the debt can be paid in a week. its less than $100bn.
Nigeria after years of corruption cleared its debt when they put an honest woman in charge. it took her two years.
the debt we owe our selves is to stop filling the Swiss Banks.
Correct!
It goes without saying that not only the robbery of resources (which is still going on) made the African wealth drain off. The slave trade to the US and Latin America also caused horrible problems for African economics, resulting e.g. in a terrible lack of manpower, skills and infrastructure. This is why I think Africa's debts should indeed be linked to the past, but in the right way... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 12:14:06
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The core of this subject matter is mainly based on economics and materialism. Thas not what society depends on exclusively or dorminant. Civilisation have advanced and why the need to be blocked with awful past deeds and claiming for damages. Not all were sold as slaves and Africans themselves were also engaged in this business and trafficking. Who were the mafia or frontline operators under those dark days?
Let bygones be bygones and don't dig out old wounds! |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2006 : 12:46:47
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Kobo, of course this is also true. But as African debts are a current topic one should think about their origins.
What the former colonialists tried to do when they 'gave' independence to Africa was a little bit like what you propose - to draw a line under the past. By this they tried to get rid of most of their responsibilities. But you can't deny the fact that the mistakes of the past always catch up with the present. |
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