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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 Jan 2006 : 21:09:27
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| So should we target the Nigerian government as a start? |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2006 : 21:31:59
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Gambiabev bans already have been imposed in Nigeria. But of course there is a informal market. The best way forward is to sensitise the public and make it less socially acceptable with Zero tolerance along with stiff penalties.
http://youthxchange.e-meta.net/main/nigeriableachingbodypractices.asp
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dave
Ireland
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 09:42:42
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Formby thanks for reminding me about the "No Irish part",it slipped my mind. Anti- Irish sentiment too goes back a long way in Britain after all before Africans were forced onto slave ships Irish were forced into impressment to man the ships that sailed to West Africa along with convicts. The Irish too have suffered at the hands of discrimination. Sometimes it's good to know where the roots of the weeds of negativity comes from so we can pluck them out. What may seem as an innocent joke can and does course offense especially when linked to oppression. I too soon will be approaching 39.
Sis...Ive never heard of my forefathers having to man slave ships to West Africa but I take your point. We certaintly were discrimintaed against and still are (through so called innocent jokes which, despite what some people think are blatently racist). Oh well right now I dont really care, Im off to catch my plane . Happy birthday in advance and talk to you all soon |
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AbeCham
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jan 2006 : 18:33:30
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Hi Gambiabev
I M surprised you find TOUBAB offensive. This is not an offensive term. It's Gambian vernaculer simply meeaning White. And in many cases a term of endearment especially used by children when greeting white people |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2006 : 23:29:26
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When people shout it at you it feels intimidating and racist...imagine if I shouted N***R....
I would NEVER do that.
In most situations it has been shouted at me it has NOT been friendly...it seems to mean ******....give me a pen...****** give me money.......It is slightly aggressive.
That is my opinion as a white person. That is how it feels to me. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2006 : 23:42:40
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Wooow, now hold up a minute! I´m starting to get P.O´d over here... How can the N-WORD possibly be the opposite of toubab??? I thought the opposite of toubab would be black. Both are just the colours of our skin! The N-WORD is a completely different thing and is so awful that I don´t even wanna say it.
Toubab is a very innocent word compared to that hateful, extremly racist word you just said! Do you really get THAT offended by some cute, little innocent children who say toubab? How can that be harmful? |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 00:28:53
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Again Gambianbev you are doing it again projecting your racist paranoia on people!
"Toubab" is the word for European. It has always been the term for European. So, why are you offended by it? It is a matter of languistics it is not racial hatred which you seem to be obessed with!
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Amna
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 02:16:11
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Dear all,
Wonderful discourse even though like most of our discourses, it does digress at times..
Toubab is European and Tougal is Europe in Wollof. Origins I have no clue. So toubab is not racist in any way. When we want to sarcastic or racists, we use "derr bu wehh" which means "white skin" which is close to whitey or darkie in terms of derogatory use.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 08:36:07
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Tairema
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Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 10:17:20
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Bev, really...it does not matter if you accept it or not... it is NOT racist it is our language.
Do we really have to go through al your insecurities on this bantaba? Is this what this forum has come to: teaching and entertaining lonely insecure elderly women who cannot read comprehensively and misunderstand everything we say and try to keep pulling us back in racial symantics????
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 18:39:41
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| Gambiabev, What’s up? You have experienced The Gambia; you have a crush or a dream? Maybe Africa is not for you. Take a step back; look at yourself and the statements you make everyday on this site to Gambians. It is a forum for Gambians. You are a guest hopefully you can keep this in mind. Absolutely nothing naturally flows from your heart, every time you open your mouth you appear to put your foot in it! I really don’t believe Africa is made for you, and hope that as a teacher you are not teaching African students. You may have lots of enthusiasm for The Gambian and it’s people but it is marred greatly by your attitude. I click the forum and dread what you may have said in your postings, I am also a guest, white & female. Try some African counselling and come back with some respect, and less, of I & ME & I. Not only is it all embarrassing it has become very boring. |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 21:12:23
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I am not elderly, lonely or insecure....
But I am enthusiastic about learning more about the Gambia, its culture and religion.
Sab you say this is a forum for Gambians. I wasnt aware of this. I thought it was a forum for anyone interested in The Gambia. I have registered as a member, so I am not a guest. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 15:59:00
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If you are truly just interested in learning about the Gambia and Islam, Gambiabev, then try surfing the net. All these comments and questions about zakat, etc, can be answered if you just put the word into Google or any other search engine. I'm neither Gambian nor Muslim yet find the tone and content of your postings sometimes patronising and simplistic, other times it seems like you want to start some controversy ("is it ok for a muslim husband to rape his wife" being one of the most infantile comments ever and, to my mind, a cry for attention).
In fact, the whole thing made me so mad I decided to join as a member so that I could post this message to you. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2006 : 09:10:46
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I didnt say is it ok for a man to rape his wife....... I was asking was there any concept of a muslim man rapeing his wife, if wife is supposed to be always available to him and it is a sin for her to refuse him. In uk until recently when a women married the same applied and it was impossible in law to prosecute your husband for rape. Thankfully this has changed.
It was a serious, VERY serious question. I am sorry if it offended you or anyone else. |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Feb 2006 : 00:13:12
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Toubab is not offensive at all. Yes, gambiabev, certain sorts of kids do go over the mark, especially in areas like the Notorious Strip and Serrekunda (my old man tells those kids to %^$& off and so, so do I) but really, when you see the vast majority of kids running about you with big grins shouting toubab, do you really think it's meant offensively? The answer has to be no. If there's anything faintly annoying about it, it's the fact that you can never ever be anonymous, but those kids LOVE that word. ''Tooouuubbaaaaaaaab!!!'' when they're all together, or a shy, whispered 'toub'b' if you're behind them in the local shop and they're on their own with no mates.
There is nothing duplicitous about Gambian children.
By the way, until quite recently, it was 'legal' for a man to 'rape' his wife here in the UK because the concept of unconsensual sex within marriage wasn't recognised. That was a legal, not religious, matter as no doubt it is in the Gambia. I'd also say it is still extremely difficult to bring a successful case here, as it probably is anywhere. Here's to Legal systems everywhere moving on! |
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