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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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 Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 03:39:13
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| Yea Which posting,bring it on. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 13:15:42
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Originally posted by jambo
alhassan, explain"It is a pity that you are among us here, but accepting the truth does notcost you anything". why is it a pity that i am among you.
I am not against muslims. which postings gave you that impression.
Jambo,
The discussion is not a religious one. It seems that you are more intrested in the religious part like cornelius. I mean you are a European on the bantaba discussing with us. I dont discuss Islam with Europeans nowadays because of the fact that all negative is attributed with Islam. As a muslim all negative sentences affect me.
The Europeans nowadays do not see that Muslims are human beings too. They want to decide for the rest of the people including the Middle East. Why is there no truthful person among the Eu or Us leaders, who feel that the Middle East problem must be solved in a very fair manar? This does not happen. I have experienced very negative attitudes towards muslims here in Europe. The other day I was sending money to my brother who has an account at the Islamic Bank in the Gambia, the cashier asked questions that were un neccessary. I felt realy bad because Gambia has nothing to do with extrimests. Islamic bank of the Gambia has no connection with groups fighting the invasion in Irak. Today , it was announced that the Somilian born Abdirasik can lift his money because the US had suggested that Barakat in Sweden collects money for terrorist groups, when it is a big lie because the Somilians use it to send money to their people in Somilia. I think this was done because of the bad experience the US had when they invaded them. This is what is happening today.
Most of cornelius postings is mearly religious. I could not understand why you were offended when I said to Cornelius that I would convert him to be a Muslim? There is no harm or bad feeling.
I do not have the impresson that you are against Muslims. Remember when Palistine and Lebanon are concerned, Europeans and the US forget that there are Christians fighting them too. The Muslims form the majority, but they are mixed in the resistance against the introdes. I think you have to withdraw your last posting. I feel offended by it too. It is better to discuss without religion. The Middle East problem is not a religious one, it is both political and economical. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 13:44:52
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Originally posted by Alhassan The Middle East problem is not a religious one, it is both political and economical.
Alhassan, you are right. Anytime a war was called 'religious' politics and economics were the real reasons. Believe me, we Europeans probably have the longest tradition of so-called religious wars. From our history, we are real experts - maybe this is the reason why we don't accept the label 'religious' for any war... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 13:51:35
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Serenata,
Thank you for your reply. There are many views that we share. I hope we can continue so as to bring a possitive change. This is why we adore our mothers, sisters and wives. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 13:55:33
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Toubab,
When we speak of the kingdom of Saudi, we must be careful. The present king has his origins from Turkey. The Othoman Empaire reigned over them and imposed these present so called kings and princes. Why do you think Ousama is at logga heads with his brothers.
on the trone? They are not a good example at all. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 18:31:16
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alhassan, re-read my postings and you will see what i mean
"The way the west is helping is the worst way. Are you satisfied with the situation eg.in Irak? You must be be one of these people who are out to war against muslims."
I will happily move forward, but you made this comment, not me. if i disagree with you does that mean i am against muslims?
"and it is a pity that you are amongst us". they are your words Alhassan are they not |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 23:07:27
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| It was your comments before my posting of that statement. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 00:40:27
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| Alhassan i dont think Osama is royalty and non of his family are on any throne. the royal family in suadi arabia is also not a result of Ottoman politics. there is no link. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 10:42:34
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Njucks,
I would recomend you to do mome more findings about Ousama and the present Royal family. The kingdom has been there but as about the royal family and the relations between Ousama and the royal family. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 14:57:41
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Originally posted by Alhassan
The present king has his origins from Turkey. The Othoman Empaire reigned over them and imposed these present so called kings and princes. Why do you think Ousama is at logga heads with his brothers.
alhassan i wouldnt write if i was not sure of it. bin laden and the saudi family have nothing but a commercial and financial relationship. they are of different origins and nothing more. saudi Arabia exist because of conquest to unify the different shiekhs/tribes by the father of the current king in the 1920s. at that time the Ottoman empire was already gone.
you said the current King has his origins in Turkey i dont know what you mean by that as well. but it is not correct
osama might not speak to his brothers but these 'Brothers' are not kings and princes. Osama is not a member of the Saudi Royal family.
that is a fact. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2006 : 13:10:40
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Ok, You are right.
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 19:09:12
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| heheehe he was right or you just given up Alhassan.Osama or the Saudi Royal who cares? |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 22:52:33
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There's also the wholly political and historical angle.
This is from some devotional publishers.
You can read the whole book this very evening:
http://www.hizmetbooks.org/British_Spy_Hempher/
Al Hassan, this Confessions was being widely distributed by WAKF Ikhlas (Turkey) and it may interest you as it coincides with the period you are discussing, but there’s enough internal evidence, ( language and facts and many gross errors) that ensure that I should not believe a word of it.
You could also check out their ”Documents of the Right Word” published more than a decade ago.
One of the manifest strengths of ”Wahabism” is it’s fight against SHIRK, whether it is your holy water or your holy alligator.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&q=Confessions+of+a+British+Spy
Wa salaam,
Hassan
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