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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 14:39:08
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I wonder whether the UN is a proper global forum, truely representative and able to handle or resolve global issues both economically, politically, diplomatically inter alia
However the classic structure of how the UN security Council has been constituted and granting FIVE PERMANENT MEMBERSHIP MANDATES AND UNTIL WHEN AMERICAN VETO POWERS AND SIDELINING OF UN SECRETARY GENERAL. NON-MEMBERSHIP FOR OTHER GROUPS FOR EXAMPLE; NON-AFRICA AND ARABIC OR OTHER NATIONS EXCLUDED REALLY BOTHERS ME.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 16:38:56
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Kobo the security council should be abolished period. they are only permanent members only because of victory in WWII. that is irrelevant today.
why is france there and not Germany. The Germany economy is bigger than France's and apart from Africa i dont know any continent where the French language is more popular than german!!
these same permanent members are the same ones doing illegal stuff. i mentioned before france building a nuclear power plant in apartheid south africa when there were UN embargos and sanctions in place.
today they are trying to stop Iran getting nuclear energy when France itself defied the whole world and the UN when it tested a nuclear bomb in the Pacific in the early 1990s.
perhaps Israel bombing Lebanon is just an attempt to get Iran into it so that they can bomb the nuclear facilities or invade Iran without having to lie about it.
Iran has been intelligent so far. i hope it continues. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 17:29:16
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UN appears to be a so-called neocolonism club of allied nations post 2nd World war. The protocol agreements and conventions appear to be compromised and under the manipulation of US, Britain and Israel.
Israel is the trouble shooter and its mission is to encourage an atmosphere to allow the US to bomb Irans nuclear facilities. Israel is an US proxy or pawn to provoke Syria and Iran into a wider regional conflict. Thats why the Iranian President thought prudently to declare that Israel wants to squander resources of the middle east and this war could trigger a hurricane as we are seeing through the media reports. Sadly for Lebanon and the Arabs they are just watching young Israelites commandos trained by US and even teens flying F16s continuing with their massive campaign of death and destruction. To UN and some diplomats these wanton acts of destruction,massacre and crime against humanity is legitimate. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 17:58:03
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Really, it is one big fat double standard, and a very dangerous one.
The security council should be rearranged, not abolished. Yes, and besides other nations, I would plead for Germany to join it. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:03:15
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:16:57
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Interesting, is the UN only bad when it does not deliver what the world wants, for those countries that are not happy there is an opt out clause.
I do not have a problem with the UN, but have a problem with some of the people who speak at the panels and are representatives. Some of them should live in land by themselves, they seem to have no grasp of reality. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:35:09
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Jambo how can you say you are comfortable with this disproportional representation and VETO powers that are are not used in the interest of peace.
perhaps you forget that the majority of the people on Earth are not represented at the council.
there are several resolutions from 1970s to date that have being ignored and nothing has come out of it. why were those countries not bombed.
whilst listening to Newsnight someone made an excellent comparison with the IRA. am i thought i should bring it up.
what would have happened if the IRA had crossed over and captured two british soldiers. would you go into N.Ireland bombing county upon county, power stations,diary farms, apartments, flats, pubs etc. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:42:38
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To njucks
Excuse me: not that I can claim to "Know" your mind. To do that I guess that I'll have to go through several of your earlier postings to get a map ( of your mind) hopefully with directions and suggestions of some ( practical) possible solutions. I have a 20-point plan by which to guide HAMAS , FATAH, ISLAMIC JIHAD and the guys based in Damascus will find the way forward ( directions) to a long-lasting ( I didn’t say everlasting, nor did I include the qiyamaat. Now of course , all guidance comes from the Almighty, and for me, there is only One ALMIGHTY.
About you, the only thing I know so far is that Serenata was looking forward to your comments on my son's " Whither Africa ?" and he was also looking forward to you saying something interesting so that he could engage you on this Forum. Koro Sallah can tell you a little bit about him because Uncle Koro was also one of his influences.
Exactly what do you mean - in a little more detail please.....
Re – this your "Iran has been intelligent so far. i hope it continues." -
your rather ( to me) ambiguous statement, in spite of the preceding logic that strings together and runs through your earlier paragraphs, I'm at a loss as to whether you in effect encouraging Iran ( by asking them to "Stay out of it" which in effect means not opposing tooth and knife, the dis-arming of Hezbollah, Islamic Republic’s surrogate Hezbollah as that effectively puts the Islamic Republic out of business. And other foreign policy reforms that would liberate lots of funds for the development of the Iranian and other Islamised nations. The necessary domestic policy reforms is more entirely an Iranian peoples’ matter.
About Ahmadinejad giving the impression that he wants to use nuclear energy to “wipe out” God’s chosen people – well he is deep, way down to his beard in deep shi and you can supply the missing letters before he drowns in it.
I think that Israel has all the qualities that should make world peace much easier if she was also a member of the Security Council.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&q=Israel+and+the+UN
At all costs to be kept out of it the Godfather of Hezbollah : if your intelligent one continues in the same direction to the duniya political illusion of a false horizon ( we all know the direction that we call the Qibbla, and we also believe that there is a life after death, then they have taken a wrong turning; because the true guidance does not lead to disaster, although perhaps after wiping out their enemies, Iran would like to have a permanent seat on the Security Council, as a big guy, sitting side by side with the great and little “Shaitan.”, Russia and China, WOW! How do you think the others will feel about this?
Aside:
( Can you imagine Johnny in Ernest replacing Kofi Annan? That would be something! That a would be some kind of promotion and after that sky’s the limit: he’d be the next president of the United States without the san-san boys votes – Tail Coats and Opera, at the Metropolitan, Classical muiski at the Metropolitan , Art at the Metropolitan……..all of which obscurity shows that those civilisations which, like ignorant armies clash at night , may unite or the one can assimilate the other……….)
In the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyyah which is attributed to Ali Ibn Talib/ Imam Ali, he says ”………..in my view this world of yours is no better than the sneezing of a goat.”
http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/
AMR ( command) is an Arabic word. There are many duties.
For some the gaze is not fixed on that kind of horizon ( for some that could be the river Gambia separating the North from the South) ……….
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 18:48:54
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Originally posted by kobo
UN appears to be a so-called neocolonism club of allied nations post 2nd World war. The protocol agreements and conventions appear to be compromised and under the manipulation of US, Britain and Israel.
Israel is the trouble shooter and its mission is to encourage an atmosphere to allow the US to bomb Irans nuclear facilities. Israel is an US proxy or pawn to provoke Syria and Iran into a wider regional conflict. Thats why the Iranian President thought prudently to declare that Israel wants to squander resources of the middle east and this war could trigger a hurricane as we are seeing through the media reports. Sadly for Lebanon and the Arabs they are just watching young Israelites commandos trained by US and even teens flying F16s continuing with their massive campaign of death and destruction. To UN and some diplomats these wanton acts of destruction,massacre and crime against humanity is legitimate.
Iran wants to replace the USA as the sole SUPER POWER:
Since Al-Qaeda deputy leader says they have joined forces with Hezbollah, should they ( the combined forces, singly or together) perpetrate another atrocity in the United Sates, I don't think that president Bush is going to ask the UN for permission for the USA to drop a bomb on the Iranian ideological headquarters in the holy city of QOM!
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jambo
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:08:40
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njucks I ask you this which country would you like to see represented on the council. They can alway make their own. the arab league has done this.
my point is this if you don't like it start your own, but be careful what team you join. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:18:49
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i do not understand your posting.i am confused. you said serenata was looking forward to me saying something on 'Whiter Africa'. when was this where???
the truth is in any institution,company,government if those at the top behave carelessly it will collapse.
you need to understand international law. the whole point is not only to maintain peace but to do things the right way because countries are not the same.
when the Nazi Adolf Eichmann was found living in Argentina, Israel sent its secret police to go in and kidnap him, returned him to Israel and tried him. he was finally hanged. i am not agianst trying people for their crimes nor against Israel. but dont you think a simple request offically to Argentina would have had Eichmann arrested and deported or extradicted. by kidnapping him you violate a nation's soveignity.
same thing in 1980s, when Sadam was building a nuclear power plant supplied by France (Security council member), Israel sent its airforce to bomb it. Guess what at that time Jacques Chirac was Prime Minister of France.
either the rules apply for everyone or they dont. you have to look at things with a bit of history.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 19:23:36
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Originally posted by jambo
njucks I ask you this which country would you like to see represented on the council. They can alway make their own. the arab league has done this.
my point is this if you don't like it start your own, but be careful what team you join.
Jambo, what do you mean start you own??? the EU is the same as the Arab league as ECOWAS for us. these are regional organisations driven mainly by common economic interests not the UN. the UN is the only global body.
so you think the UN is owned by Britain, US & Co. no wonder they are behaving like this. the problem is bigger than i thought.
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2006 : 20:10:54
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Originally posted by njucks
Jambo how can you say you are comfortable with this disproportional representation and VETO powers that are are not used in the interest of peace.
perhaps you forget that the majority of the people on Earth are not represented at the council.
there are several resolutions from 1970s to date that have being ignored and nothing has come out of it. why were those countries not bombed.
whilst listening to Newsnight someone made an excellent comparison with the IRA. am i thought i should bring it up.
what would have happened if the IRA had crossed over and captured two british soldiers. would you go into N.Ireland bombing county upon county, power stations,diary farms, apartments, flats, pubs etc.
Iran under threat or Iran being severely bombed and made to crawl and sue for peace (real war ) to be fought in Iran not in the US - that would only increase the punishment of the bombardment intended to instil the mission of NEVER AGAIN.
The threat of Iran being invaded strengthens the hands of the authorities, war brings out national spirits.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&q=Iran+and+Hezbollah
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Cornelius
Sweden
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 10:05:26
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Who are GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE IS IT TAUGHT BY THE RABAIS AND THE DEVINE TORAH THAT JEWS ARE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE. GOOD LUCK TO THE REST AND OTHER DENOMINATIONS NOT FORTUNATE TO BE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE OR THE CONTRARY.
THESE BELIEFS MAKES YOU CONFUSED AND RACIST CORNELLIUS. In politics and diplomacy it has no place but to brew more hatred and isolation. You are rasing issues of anti-semitism and contradicting yourself with foolish pride. DON'T USE RELIGION AND ITS TEACHINGS TO SUIT YOUR OWN PURPOSE What difference does it make if I claim to belong to GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE! IS GOD'S SPEAKING OR AM I NOT SPEAKING TO MYSELF
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 10:19:15
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kobo, reminds me of how we back home also say '' domi adama''. i always wonder if there are ''domi awa'' |
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