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Newfy
Western Samoa
462 Posts |
 Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 23:29:34
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Thank you Bev for sharing your story. I have never lost a child or known someone who has in this continent. There is a stoicism that some have to cover their pain. I think there are root causes that lead to the passing of the child that need to be addressed and can help to lower the high death rate for moms and children all over the world.
The world right now is in an either or situation, where there are actually many shades of difference in between. The mindsets of the people in power must change as they are creating too much human suffering...The more people fear, the less able they are to have true peace.
What can we do each of us one by one ... there are so many ways to wage peace. |
The law an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Mohandas Gandhi |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 23:50:38
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| The death of the mother in child birth is what caused the infants death because it didnt get the mothers milk with all the immunities that has. Even though the family tried very hard, the baby was disadvataged from the start. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 01:22:01
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Madiba the people planning to blow up planes are terrorists. They may be politically or religiously motivated, but they dont care who they hurt or kill.
I believe if someone is truely religious then they shouldnt want to harm another human being.
Israel is a terrorist State, Blair and Bush are supporters of state terrorism , thus both are terrorists. They plan, execute operations that kill, maim, women and children in the middle-east. Anyway you are free to believe in what you want. But i see it as living in self-denial. I am concerned and fear for my life and the lives of my loved ones living wit me in the UK. Bush and Blair are the ones endangering our lives. We should call them to revisit their BIAS FOREIGN POLICIES WHICH ARE ARROGANT AND AXED ON IMPERIALISM! |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 12 Aug 2006 01:24:24 |
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Newfy
Western Samoa
462 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 05:59:27
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Imagine Bev and others...
I was looking at some figures on the Gambia today from the U.N. Erin website. Maybe this will interest you. 40.6 percent of the 1.5 million population of the Gambia are children 15 and under.
Child mortality is 123 per 1000; Live birth mortality is 90 per 1,000 births. And there are 4 physicians per 100,000 people.
If you want to see for yourself, heres the website:
http://www.alertnet.org/db/cp/gambia.htm
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 08:51:37
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Madiba I can feel the anger and hatred in your posting.
This is precisely the feeling that the terrorist groups use to manipulate the young men into these terrible acts.
I DO understand your view about Blair, but I do feel it is a bit too strongly stated.
If you really hate the UK so much I dont understand why you dont go back and live in your homeland. This is intended as a SERIOUS question. If I lived abroad and found I didnt like it I would return to the uk. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 11:55:56
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madiba, so much hostility,  if bush and blair pulled out of the these countries, doyou think the people would be happy.
i seem to remember a lot of people asking the west for help.
When things were bad in afganistan with the talibeh, did people not call on the international community for help.
I ask again if they pulled out tomorrow, next week the people would ask for help.
i do not see the most powerful arab country, saudi asking for help why not because they deal with their own problems.
If people are not happy with the western community that they live in freely then leave, but do not change it, because there are other who like the freedom of speech. it might not be your choice but it is a freedom.
the young men who are british born, have ask to all facts, can go to college can go to the internet, they are not poor, struggling, they are free to travel to and return to the UK or USA because they have a passport in the their own right.
the land they fight over is not their land, they have no family ties to those countries. but they fight in the name of Allah, they are being used. why because of a british passport.
Bev and the members of the bantaba, watch the back lash against muslims, this type of behaviour will help the BNP. The fundamentalists are the PR for the extreme right wing groups in the USA. KKK might be quiet, but their are other groups to join.
Madiba it cuts both ways.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 12:56:30
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| Yes I am worried about the backlash against the many , many ordinary decent Muslims. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 13:12:47
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Madiba I can feel the anger and hatred in your posting.
This is precisely the feeling that the terrorist groups use to manipulate the young men into these terrible acts.
I DO understand your view about Blair, but I do feel it is a bit too strongly stated.
If you really hate the UK so much I dont understand why you dont go back and live in your homeland. This is intended as a SERIOUS question. If I lived abroad and found I didnt like it I would return to the uk.
Did I say i hated the UK? If Blair is UK then so be it.If the Britishs stayed in my homeland for hundreds of years unquestioned, why can't i stay here? And i am contributing generously to this tax based economy. MY STAY HERE IS NOT GRATIS. I PAY FOR EVERYTHING. You are truly the HATER. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 13:30:34
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Originally posted by gambiabev
If you really hate the UK so much I dont understand why you dont go back and live in your homeland. This is intended as a SERIOUS question. If I lived abroad and found I didnt like it I would return to the uk.
gambiabev i dont think being comfortable with the government or politics of a country has anything to do with leaving or staying. In the UK there are many people who oppose the War in Iraq, MPs have voted against it, people have marched in London against it etc. some people really hate what Tony Blair is doing,
if we follow your logic, then are you suggesting that these british people should give up and emigrate from their own country ??? |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2006 : 21:45:09
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Originally posted by toubab
Madiba, just looked up the word Terrorist.'Anyone who commits an organized system of intimidation,especially for political ends.' Mmmm very interesting!
Toubab,
If you analize the context then both the US, israel and Britain are
terrorists. Defending your country and putting up resistance to colonialism is a just cause. I am sorry to say , but you Europens create laws to suit you ends. This is not democracy. Even in Africa the same thing happens. Who is selling weapons to rebels, supporting christian rebelgrups in Africa? I want an honest answer? |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 02:35:00
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| The honest answer is that Yaya is wrong by forcing people to work or loose their jobs,ok back to the topic.It is US and Europe that is selling weapons to the third world that causes many civil wars in Africa and other countries thats a FACT. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 10:12:45
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I think many weapons come from Russia too. They support one side and usa supports the other, sadly.
Newfy many white people in Uk are emigrating when they get the chance. The favourite places are USA, Australia, New Zealand and Spain. The reasons are usually:economics, the weather, better life style and so on. For some it is political, they are right wing and dont like the way the country is going with its imigration policies.
I would NEVER emigrate. I love travelling, but love UK too.
If I was a migrant to UK and found I didnt like it, I would go home rather than turn against my host nation. I just dont understand that mentality.
However if you are born in UK and then dont like the country that must be difficult, because you dont feel at home here, but wouldnt feel at home in you grand parents home land either. But there is a big leap from this disenchantment to becoming a bomber. How does that happen?
Madiba, I dont hate anyone. I just try to understand them. If you have a visa, work or study hard, contribute to Uk taxes and live a law abiding life then you are very welcome in the UK.
BUT not everyone is like that. Recently in York a girl was raped in a church yard by 3 polish men. We have groups of young single men from Eastern Europe in most UK cities and many of them are lawless. Without their families around them they behave badly. |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 12:26:11
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Originally posted by jambo
if bush and blair pulled out of the these countries, doyou think the people would be happy.
No because the root of the problem would still remain and therefore things would still be the same.
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i do not see the most powerful arab country, saudi asking for help why not because they deal with their own problems.
Really?Or is it because they are wealthy amd powerful enough not to depend on the West?Like you said they are the most powerful arab nation
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If people are not happy with the western community that they live in freely then leave, but do not change it, because there are other who like the freedom of speech. it might not be your choice but it is a freedom.
This statement just blows me!!!
Please don't take this as a personal attack, I just like to use these words as they show exactly the mentality in most western heads.
Ordinary people in the west simlpy don't see the REAL world, what's really going on in the big rest of the world.We think the West IS the real and ONLY world.
Things need to change.For us Westerners it is a war against terror, but where did this terror come from and most of all, why does it blossom?Maybe if we acted in a different way(politically)these things would have never started?
For us it is war on terror,we say, but why is it that every Muslim thinks this war on terror is against Islam?What business did we have in the middle east?Why is the West always present there?
How would we feel if someone dictated us how life should be, how the world should be?
And lastly, I believe Saudi just takes a step back(I do think they are very patient!!!)because they know exactly what's coming, if it starts, it's going to be BIIIIIIIIIG
For us it's war on terror, for them it's war against Islam- and Jihad is on its way.Let's just wait until someone in Saudi hears Allahs message that Jihad has started and we will regret deeply what we have started.
I really hope that this won't escalate too much but just enough to make us see the truth about this world and maybe give up and share some power.We are not God and we have no right to dictate the world
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toubab
Gambia
92 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 13:26:57
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| I've no arguement with you on that one Alhassan |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 13:36:37
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twikly, i said what i did as a reply to this,
If you go to an muslim country you will see how much "freedom you have". secondly have you watched the news lately, before it was about US involvement in muslim countries. Once that sadam was out, US and UK should pull out I agree, we have nobusiness now being there, bring them home.
No i am feeling very angry that certain people are allowing certain things to happen.
Have you seen that news over the weekend that shows two young british born muslims speaking on video before they commit a terriorism attack, they are wearing headbands. I wish I could remember what time it was but it is normally played during the news.
Anyway the two youths speak and then it shows an explosion, as the they open the door, in the bottom right hand of the screen is a cross.
1 The message is not politically anymore it is religous.
2 During the news they invterviewed young men going into the mosque in Birmingham, one of them accuses the society of being to blame, what society I am part of the society, do not blame me. But if the interview is played again listen careful to what he says "it is pornographic and other things that are wrong with britain, too much" do not read the it, end of. Secondly he blames"rap music" that is racists. i am not happy after seeing this on television, what do others see when they watch tv the same as me, but i have to appreciate that i live in a free society and can make choices. I LIVE IN A FREE STATE, if you do not like Blairs policies, then DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM, that is a freedom of choice.
Twinkly if you live in an inner city area, just look at some of the changes around you.
BLAIR STINKS, yes okay, but come general election do not vote for him.
Saudi is watching and I believe they are quietly putting pressure on Hezballoh to stop, because Lebanon, was doing quite nicely thank you and was (hopefully) will get back their being seen as a prosperous country.
As for it going BIIIIINg, i agree, there are nuclear things going on in the arab world, they keep it private. |
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