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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 12:33:02
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Jambo. not all the christian church is against the use of condoms, just the pope!  Any sensible catholic would ignore the pope and do the safe thing!!! |
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jambo
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 12:39:47
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disagree on the african continent they obey the church more than their western counterparts, who might do as you suggest.
It would still help if the church/pope spoke in favour of condoms. When did you last here the african church leaders suggest using a concdom as a way of combatting aids/hiv. |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 13:36:55
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Yes Alhassan there are people whom to blame.
Example as i said people who tuned their back of it because of religion reasons or simple don’t care of it .you knows that this people exist. You may also read a one truck driver in Kenya in BBC website about one or two years ago with his full knowing of effecting people. and believe me there is more kind of greedy people like this man, well i know we are talking about Africa but we have the same kind of greedy guys in Germany. and as you said you ware working in this branch then you most also knows are people living in remote areas indeed have no accesses to this information’s, or? .preventing it exist but if you don’t knows about it then it is a danger to everyone closed to you if it comes to sexuality and blood contact.
truly we have little chance if medically away but we have a lot of chances of informing people, a people like you have more handful information’s of giving it to the next one and believe you are doing it,
MAY ALLAH SAVER US ALL
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by mbay
well in my opinion is not only polygamy but unfortunately also poor educations or disclosure but what the more problems is, that most of the people don't see it or knows it but tune their back but this evilly epidemic is true and indeed there is no healing to it now.so the people need more more information's and make them belief that this is indeed universally epidermic and unfortunately no cure of it yet!
MAY ALLAH SAVER US ALL:
uote]Originally posted by MADIBA
I have always wondered by Africa is the hardest hit by this monster.
I would be glad to have informative suggestions.
Mbay,
The explanation that Njucks has given cannot be more brif. Only those involved with the Hiv/Aids problem can give info.Most of the debate nowadays is not about the origin. There is no body to blaim. We are looking forward for a cure whilst giving support to the affected. At the same time , primary prevention activities and information as to how to proctect oneself is given. Hiv/Aids is a scientific dease that only science can cure.People have to change their attitude towards their sexual behivour. It is important to note that Government should give more focus on public healt. Testing all pregnant women and all new arrivals in the country is another step.(it is of vital importance that the medical personel inform people before testing.)
The reason why Africa has suffered is lack of proper medical attention and the dianal by most countries. China has been doing it but nowadays they have come open. It is only the Middle East countries that still are not open. They have a lot of infected that if not treated will doon explode. The incubation period is up to ten years. You can also test yourself after an unprotected sex, after about 48 hours. One cannot test just after sex. I am not sure if I am correct by the 48 hours. If you know an infection doctor please ask for correction.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 13:54:54
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another important thing is that in the absence of a highly educated population ''SEEING IS BELIEVING'' is widley accepted as fact.
a friend of mine who finished grade 12 (high school) once asked me if AIDS exists because he has never seen anyone with AIDS. i think people with AIDS also have a role to play by coming forward in public.infact i myself have never seen one but thats no excuse to believe in the seriousness of the situation.
also another thing that is there is a lot of money being thrown into Africa by the West to fight AIDS. i noticed this when another friend attended a workshop for students on AIDS sensitisation in Bakau. afterwwards i asked him what he has learnt but he told me he was there just for the money because they were paid D200 each to attend. whilst i think the majority learnt something, this can be very dangerous as well.
when we were at school an entire period was dedicated to FLE (Family Life Education). this was about contraception, sex, family planning etc. i think AIDS education should be drummed into pupils at school from primary one to six form year upon year. this is the most reaching and effective way in my opinion.
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 13:59:08
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Originally posted by mbay
Yes Alhassan there are people whom to blame.
Example as i said people who tuned their back of it because of religion reasons or simple don’t care of it .you knows that this people exist. You may also read a one truck driver in Kenya in BBC website about one or two years ago with his full knowing of effecting people. and believe me there is more kind of greedy people like this man, well i know we are talking about Africa but we have the same kind of greedy guys in Germany. and as you said you ware working in this branch then you most also knows are people living in remote areas indeed have no accesses to this information’s, or? .preventing it exist but if you don’t knows about it then it is a danger to everyone closed to you if it comes to sexuality and blood contact.
truly we have little chance if medically away but we have a lot of chances of informing people, a people like you have more handful information’s of giving it to the next one and believe you are doing it,
MAY ALLAH SAVER US ALL
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by mbay
well in my opinion is not only polygamy but unfortunately also poor educations or disclosure but what the more problems is, that most of the people don't see it or knows it but tune their back but this evilly epidemic is true and indeed there is no healing to it now.so the people need more more information's and make them belief that this is indeed universally epidermic and unfortunately no cure of it yet!
MAY ALLAH SAVER US ALL:
uote]Originally posted by MADIBA
I have always wondered by Africa is the hardest hit by this monster.
I would be glad to have informative suggestions.
Mbay,
The explanation that Njucks has given cannot be more brif. Only those involved with the Hiv/Aids problem can give info.Most of the debate nowadays is not about the origin. There is no body to blaim. We are looking forward for a cure whilst giving support to the affected. At the same time , primary prevention activities and information as to how to proctect oneself is given. Hiv/Aids is a scientific dease that only science can cure.People have to change their attitude towards their sexual behivour. It is important to note that Government should give more focus on public healt. Testing all pregnant women and all new arrivals in the country is another step.(it is of vital importance that the medical personel inform people before testing.)
The reason why Africa has suffered is lack of proper medical attention and the dianal by most countries. China has been doing it but nowadays they have come open. It is only the Middle East countries that still are not open. They have a lot of infected that if not treated will doon explode. The incubation period is up to ten years. You can also test yourself after an unprotected sex, after about 48 hours. One cannot test just after sex. I am not sure if I am correct by the 48 hours. If you know an infection doctor please ask for correction.
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mBAY,
Yes,
I understand what you mean. I had a similar case here in Sweden where by an infected (Swed), sitting on a wheelchair because of his infection, demanden an electric driven wheelchair so as to go back to Gambia to his women in the countryside. I had to put an immideat stop by using all pressure I could. I even treteden that I would call the Health minister and give him the info. He was stopped and died a few weeks later. The griddy ones will soon perish because of their greed. When it comes to medication of the infected in Africa, then we meet a lots of problems. Because of the stigmatisation, some would not dear to come to the clicnic or come out when the traveling doctor comes to the village. People Die of the infection, we burry them without telling the rest of the family the cause of death. This is rampant for all Africa.It is only in Bostwana that all infected recieve medication. It is more difficult in countries like South Africa. The information is very important. Our neighbour Senegal has becom one of the countries with low prevelence because of information and campanges. The digree of awearness in the Gambia is increasing. The debate is on and the usage of condoms are stressed as the only way to protect yourself from being infected. There is a lot of information that we cannot discuss here. It is very wide today. But my email is on and you can contact me so I can send you some more info from the lancet.
Thanks for your paitence.
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 14:29:34
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS Yaya's HOLY WATER HELP PEOPLE WITH HIV,THIS IS NO JOKE MADIBA JAMMEH KNOWS ABOUT IT.
Please Lemon Time, even if you´re joking some uneducated people may take you seriously.
Look at South Africa where some *****s seem to think the only cure for HIV is raping a child, infants!!! Nearly 60 children are raped everyday in South Africa because of their belief in the "VIRGIN CURE"!
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 14:47:33
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AIDs/HIV are man man dieases and I think the reason why Southern and East Africa which have been worst affected by the diease is because of biological warfare in attempt of ethnic cleansing. As we know that Southern East and Central are extremely rich in physical resources. I think that the pandemic in South Africa, which rapidly emerged after the fall of aparthied in South Africa is no coincendence, and was a diliberate attemp by racists to wipe out Black South Africans. It is not suprising that when herbal based African cures have proven to fight the diease their Creators have mysteriously died. There is big money involved in HIV/AIDS for it not to be cured. It is a myth that Africans are more promscious than any other race.
More education about AIDs?HIV Prevention is needed, and the tabboo of HIV?AID's needs to be broken down so that more people can seek the assistance that the need. Babylon raised a good point about the myths being perpetrated about sleep with virgin girls needs to be uprooted and public info to be dessiminated more widely amongst local communities, as well as support groups for Orphan children and elders who are in many cases left to bring up their grandchildren etc.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 15:14:34
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Sister Omega. You arent really serious about thinking HIV has been created for ethnic cleansing?! It is no respector of age, class, ethnic group and so on. Ask all the rich american gay men that have contracted it. If any group have been judged by the disease it is gay white men. Is it a plague against them? Of course not!
It is simple.
Abstain. Then marry a virgin, or at least a person who has tested clear. Then stay faithful.
Dont use intravenous drugs for social life.
Use only sterile needles and surgical equipment at the dr and dentist.
Finally if you are unsure of the sexual activities of the person you are sleeping with, ALWAYS use a condom.
If in doubt, or you make a mistake. GET TESTED. Then you know your own status and can protect others.
Does anyone know the comparative rates in other poor communities OUTSIDE of Africa, such as south america, eastern europe and asia?
Does the low level of general health because of poverty make hiv easier to spread? |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 15:58:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Sister Omega
AIDs/HIV are man man dieases and I think the reason why Southern and East Africa which have been worst affected by the diease is because of biological warfare in attempt of ethnic cleansing. As we know that Southern East and Central are extremely rich in physical resources. I think that the pandemic in South Africa, which rapidly emerged after the fall of aparthied in South Africa is no coincendence, and was a diliberate attemp by racists to wipe out Black South Africans. It is not suprising that when herbal based African cures have proven to fight the diease their Creators have mysteriously died. There is big money involved in HIV/AIDS for it not to be cured. It is a myth that Africans are more promscious than any other race.
More education about AIDs?HIV Prevention is needed, and the tabboo of HIV?AID's needs to be broken down so that more people can seek the assistance that the need. Babylon raised a good point about the myths being perpetrated about sleep with virgin girls needs to be uprooted and public info to be dessiminated more widely amongst local communities, as well as support groups for Orphan children and elders who are in many cases left to bring up their grandchildren etc.
peace
sister Omega
sister Omega,
You are not familier with the real facts. Your point has been one of the main reasons why the areas you mention has been hit badly. I know and live and support Hiv/aids infected here. Even I work in South Africa, but your points are very old and out of date. Only those who deny the facts have the same views as you. Try to get informed or update yourself with the aids problem. I hope Gambians do not think like you do.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 16:07:27
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Alhassan, why do you think aids is affecting Africa more? Because of lack of good screening? lack of good drugs for treatment? general health and malnutrition? Or is the most important fact that because it originated in Africa it got a strong hold there before people realised what was happening.
Knowledge and Education gives people an informed choice. They know then what they should do. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 16:24:41
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Originally posted by Alhassan
sister Omega,
You are not familier with the real facts. Your point has been one of the main reasons why the areas you mention has been hit badly. I know and live and support Hiv/aids infected here. Even I work in South Africa, but your points are very old and out of date. Only those who deny the facts have the same views as you. Try to get informed or update yourself with the aids problem. I hope Gambians do not think like you do.
Alhassan, which are the real facts about Hiv/Aids? Do you know where it came from and how? Please, if you know the fact let the rest of the world know too.  Because there are no real facts yet, only different theories. Enlighten us.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 16:31:37
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Alhassan so my view is out of date concerning as well:
"More education about AIDs?HIV Prevention is needed, and the tabboo of HIV?AID's needs to be broken down so that more people can seek the assistance that the need. Babylon raised a good point about the myths being perpetrated about sleep with virgin girls needs to be uprooted and public info to be dessiminated more widely amongst local communities, as well as support groups for Orphan children and elders who are in many cases left to bring up their grandchildren etc.
Please enlighten me further.
As for conspiracy theories which there are a lot of here are some more for us to discuss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_conspiracy_theories
Peace
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 16:47:31
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| Thanx Sister Omega. I also go with the theory that the Hiv virus is nothing but man made, to wipe out certain groups of people. I guess the mad scientists just forgot that the virus can affect us all. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 17:08:59
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 Sister Omega
i quote from the link you provided.
''Edward Hooper, author of The River, proposes that HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) is an evolution of SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus), a virus found in the chimpanzee. Furthermore, he lays blame on Dr. Hilary Koprowski, a Polish-born virologist working for Philadelphia's Wistar Research Institute, who used hastily concocted chimpanzee kidney culture medium from a Stanleyville research laboratory to create a million doses of oral polio vaccine for a mass vaccination program in the Belgian Congo. He points out inconsistencies in what Koprowski and his team said they did, and what workers in Koprowski's labs and at his chimpanzee research camp said was done; Although supported by the influential evolutionary biologist, W. D. Hamilton, Hooper's research was rejected by the scientific establishment in 2000 at a conference at the Royal Society in London. ''
this is exactly the meeting i mentioned in my first posting. i remember this very well because at the end of the meeting there, it was a headline on Newsnight with Jeremy Paxman. and some scientists and journalists were brought on to debate the issues and the proceedingly of the Royal Society investigation.
the problem with these theories is that the scientist dont tell the truth and leave gaps which are filled with these theories.
whatever the truth is, HIV is originally from chimpazees (this is a Scientific FACT) where it doesnt cause AIDS. how it jumped to humans is the subject of debate and no one is telling the truth fuelling theories.
of all the thoeries however, this is the most convincing but i dont believe it very much. it has some merits but still |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 18:48:30
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Babylon and Sister Omega, your ideas don't sound like complete nonsense to me. It looks as if the virus has been carefully 'designed'. First it spread among homosexuals, a group which always was a red rag for Conservatives. Then, around 1990, it took over Africa. Southern Africa, with all its resources, and an extremely racist population in South Africa, who just saw the Blacks win.
But if it was spread out deliberately or not, during the late 80ies, long after testing was obligatory in the US, untested HIV-contaminated blood bottles had been sold to Asia, among others by Cutter Laboratories, US-subsidiary of Bayer/Germany. Most likely they or others also sold them in Africa, or maybe gave them as donations. Now, almost 20 years later, haemophiliac Asian victims (some of the few who survided) are going to courts, after having tracked their infection. For poor Africans this would never be possible. |
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