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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 02:46:46
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I have always wondered why Africa is the hardest hit by this monster.
I would be glad to have informative suggestions.
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kassma
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 06:50:43
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| polygamy i think is one of the biggest reasons, unfaithful men who feel like they can do whatever is another reason, well now, there are consequences. but honestly, i've thought this over so many times and it makes no sense to me how its so rampant over there. i think its possible that there might be a conspiracy |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 13:35:16
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i think it has to do a lot with poor medical facilites and access to them. people use blades, syringes, blood transfusion, traditional circumcision for both men and women, silly atittude towards condom usages, denial, prostitution, sharing shaving stick and barbing machines maybe etc
i dont think there is a conspiracy. infact the density of AIDs is higher in southern & eastern africa than in the west africa where you have more polygamy due to islam.
its just to do with poverty at the government level and behaviour of africans to change to a more modern lifestyle.
taking a group of 50 girls/boys to the middle of nowhere to circumcise them together can have a devasting multiplying effect as much as a nurse who has ran out of syringes.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 13:40:13
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Originally posted by njucks
i think it has to do a lot with poor medical facilites and access to them. people use blades, syringes, blood transfusion, traditional circumcision for both men and women, silly atittude towards condom usages, denial, prostitution, sharing shaving stick and barbing machines maybe etc
i dont think there is a conspiracy. infact the density of AIDs is higher in southern & eastern africa than in the west africa where you have more polygamy due to islam.
its just to do with poverty at the government level and behaviour of africans to change to a more modern lifestyle.
taking a group of 50 girls/boys to the middle of nowhere to circumcise them together can have a devasting multiplying effect as much as a nurse who has ran out of syringes.
What do you say to the conspirancy theory? If its rampant sex there many parts of the world besides Africa where promiscious sex is rampant yet their case is not as bad as Africa's? Where did it originate(AIDS)? From African jungles or American CIA labs? |
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molly75
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 14:27:49
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I think that the lack of health promotion has a lot to do with the high numbers of AIDS in Africa. Well thats what ive experienced in the Gambia anyway. Even though i saw huge advertising boards about AIDS in the streets, the actual content was not exactly helpful. One sign said "Your friend with AIDS is still your friend"!!! Maybe if these boards told people how AIDS is contracted and how to prevent it, this would be much more helpful in fighting AIDS. I spent some time at the RVTH in Banjul and saw that a lot of the people who attend the VCT aids clinic were older women, so maybe polygamy has something to do with it too. It just amazed me how ignorant people were about the dangers of AIDS. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 14:44:33
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well its origins is a serious debate which is taken seriously even at a scientific level. it has serious political and ethical consequences. there was even a major international conference couple of years back to figure this out. the leading theory was that it came from samples in which chimp or monkeys tissues were used in the early 20th century to culture polio vacines. something like that.
but i think thats refuted now and it's believed to come from chimps.
but Madiba its important to note that HIV and AIDS are two different things. HIV doesnt kill. it can develop to AIDS at which point one's system is so defenceless that you're killed by anything , TB, malaria, etc
but diseases moving from one species to another is a new thing of the last century and with global movement of people its very dangerous. the bird flu is another type for Asia.
i agree with you that people in Africa are not more promiscuous than in Western Societies where the attitude to sex is more liberal. but its about information and hows its accepted and used by the society.the end of apartheid also made SA a more open society and the health problem was more know to the world than before.
theories dont help as its creates a climate of fear. if africans want the truth they should not rely so much on foreign governments to take care of their health. almost all major health campaigns in Africa are done by the West. we dont want to be in 50yrs time talking about a new conspiracy ''currently'' being done.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 15:11:08
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Originally posted by njucks
well its origins is a serious debate which is taken seriously even at a scientific level. it has serious political and ethical consequences. there was even a major international conference couple of years back to figure this out. the leading theory was that it came from samples in which chimp or monkeys tissues were used in the early 20th century to culture polio vacines. something like that.
but i think thats refuted now and it's believed to come from chimps.
but Madiba its important to note that HIV and AIDS are two different things. HIV doesnt kill. it can develop to AIDS at which point one's system is so defenceless that you're killed by anything , TB, malaria, etc
but diseases moving from one species to another is a new thing of the last century and with global movement of people its very dangerous. the bird flu is another type for Asia.
i agree with you that people in Africa are not more promiscuous than in Western Societies where the attitude to sex is more liberal. but its about information and hows its accepted and used by the society.the end of apartheid also made SA a more open society and the health problem was more know to the world than before.
theories dont help as its creates a climate of fear. if africans want the truth they should not rely so much on foreign governments to take care of their health. almost all major health campaigns in Africa are done by the West. we dont want to be in 50yrs time talking about a new conspiracy ''currently'' being done.
Thanks Njucks. You are truly resourceful. |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 16:10:07
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well in my opinion is not only polygamy but unfortunately also poor educations or disclosure but what the more problems is, that most of the people don't see it or knows it but tune their back but this evilly epidemic is true and indeed there is no healing to it now.so the people need more more information's and make them belief that this is indeed universally epidermic and unfortunately no cure of it yet!
MAY ALLAH SAVER US ALL:
uote]Originally posted by MADIBA
I have always wondered by Africa is the hardest hit by this monster.
I would be glad to have informative suggestions.
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 22:34:42
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Originally posted by mbay
well in my opinion is not only polygamy but unfortunately also poor educations or disclosure but what the more problems is, that most of the people don't see it or knows it but tune their back but this evilly epidemic is true and indeed there is no healing to it now.so the people need more more information's and make them belief that this is indeed universally epidermic and unfortunately no cure of it yet!
MAY ALLAH SAVER US ALL:
uote]Originally posted by MADIBA
I have always wondered by Africa is the hardest hit by this monster.
I would be glad to have informative suggestions.
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Mbay,
The explanation that Njucks has given cannot be more brif. Only those involved with the Hiv/Aids problem can give info.Most of the debate nowadays is not about the origin. There is no body to blaim. We are looking forward for a cure whilst giving support to the affected. At the same time , primary prevention activities and information as to how to proctect oneself is given. Hiv/Aids is a scientific dease that only science can cure.People have to change their attitude towards their sexual behivour. It is important to note that Government should give more focus on public healt. Testing all pregnant women and all new arrivals in the country is another step.(it is of vital importance that the medical personel inform people before testing.)
The reason why Africa has suffered is lack of proper medical attention and the dianal by most countries. China has been doing it but nowadays they have come open. It is only the Middle East countries that still are not open. They have a lot of infected that if not treated will doon explode. The incubation period is up to ten years. You can also test yourself after an unprotected sex, after about 48 hours. One cannot test just after sex. I am not sure if I am correct by the 48 hours. If you know an infection doctor please ask for correction. |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 23:27:45
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An HIV test is a simple blood test, which checks for antibodies to HIV. Antibodies are your body’s response to a viral infection.
Some clinics can give you the results on the same day, in other places you may have to wait for a week or more.
An HIV NEGATIVE result means you do not have HIV antibodies in your blood.
HIV antibodies DO NOT APPEAR in your blood the day you get infected. Rather, HIV antibodies may take up to THREE MONTHS TO SHOW in your blood. Because of this, some people who test negative may be advised to have another HIV test at later date.
An HIV POSITIVE result indicates HIV antibodies were found in your blood and you have been infected. This means that you can pass HIV on to others.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 00:37:24
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Molly75, unfortunately these hoardings go over peoples heads, I have spoken about it so many times in The Gambia. I assume that it is trying to tell people that you will not catch HIV/AIDS by remaining friends; touching, holding handsetc., also to try find a way to lessen the stigma.
The stigma surrounding HIV is paramount and it must be challenged. Women's biology makes them especially vulnerable to HIV infection, and for this reason, womens groups must take AIDS to the forefront of their agenda.
The best defence against ignorance and fear is knowledge. HIV does not discriminate. But people do. Rejection and discrimination are usually fuelled by fear and ignorance. It can be devastating for those who discover their status to then have to cope with reaction from those whose support they depend on most. For this reason families and friends may be the last to know, if they are told at all. HIV positive mothers may be especially anxious to protect their children from stigma.
Fears need to be dispelled about what HIV is, how it can be transmitted and how people live with it. It’s very easy for the majority of people to think HIV/AIDS has nothing to do with me! There is still the notion of the innocent and the guilty. Children are innocent and everybody else is guilty and deserves what they get. You can be an individual woman, a mother, and daughter, a sister a friend
and a member of the community, you can be all of those, HIV is just part of it. A person can have many skills and many right’s as a person, and having a virus in your body doesn’t diminish your ability.
regards,
What is the number of people who have been cured of AIDS? 00,000,000. |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 01:46:58
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| GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS Yaya's HOLY WATER HELP PEOPLE WITH HIV,THIS IS NO JOKE MADIBA JAMMEH KNOWS ABOUT IT. |
There is no god but Allah |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 09:59:46
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Sab I agree with you 100%. It can take 3 months for it to show in blood. This is a dangerous time period when someone can be spreading it without realising it.
The best ways to deal with the risk:
Abstanence.
Monogomy, faithfulness.
Or if you want to have many partners ALWAYS use a condom.
To europeans travelling to Africa you are recommended to take condoms from home which have been tested to high standards.
Incidently there has been one case where a man tested positive and now appears cured. ?! It's a puzzle.
But 99.99999 there is no cure and eventually it is a death sentence.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 10:03:39
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS Yaya's HOLY WATER HELP PEOPLE WITH HIV,THIS IS NO JOKE MADIBA JAMMEH KNOWS ABOUT IT.
only helps! not cures |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 10:12:22
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS Yaya's HOLY WATER HELP PEOPLE WITH HIV,THIS IS NO JOKE MADIBA JAMMEH KNOWS ABOUT IT.
Lemon Time,
When we discuss serious matters it is not acceptable to bring jokes. Only sienctific medicine can cure Hiv/Aids. If you live in South Africa, you must be able to know the seriousness of the disease. I work for the project called 2Grandmothers against Hiv/aids and poorverty in Kyalictha in Cape Town. I attack especially men. We put all the blaim on women , but men are more iresponsible with their sexual behivour that wommen. I would like to see Gambian men guiving good examples of cahnging sexual behivours. I can remember back home that the well to do men(not all)used their money to prostitute our women. A man with two wives or more have children outside marrage. Sometimes they even refused to accept. Many girls stopp going to school because of teenage pregnancy. I hope nowadays the law is pounding on men who make our teenage school girls consive. The less priviledge are always used and fooled. Why did some teachers in the Gambia loose parts of their ears or noses? The women folks have been used and abused sexualilly by men and this must stop. Men who want to marry a second wife must undergo an hiv test.This is because men can easily move from place to place without being detected As soon as they infect a girl or woman and the person gets sick , they move to other settelments. This is the case in South Africa and many other parts of the world. Condom usage must be put into practise in the yunger generation. At the same time sexeducation be more focused on all STI.
You can kiss, touch even sleep on the same bed with an infected person without being infected. The only way you can be infected are , sexually ,exchange of unsterilised siringe used at hospitals and clinics and drug adits, blood to blood contact by accidents or when nurses take blood proofs ect. The nearer to a Hiv sick the better for the person. They need care and good food to eat. Nowadays , Hiv/aids infected do not die as before. They can live as long as possible by tacking regular medecine. They even have children who are healthy and Hiv negative. I would suggest if the forum can link to the Aids movement at home. We can save many live by small contributions. We can focus on pregnant women who are possitive. The only way we can save their children is by providing the mothers with medecine before and just after birth.
If the lokal medicine doctorn have a cure, I would recomend it tested in labs for proofs. Lemon Time you know there are too many witchdoctors in South Africa, who has agreed that they cannot cure the disease. They work hand in hand with the infection doctors.They are serving as a link where people belive that AIds is a curse to throw on sombody. In some parts of South Africa, they see it as an evil eye or spell that some one can throw on you.
Women groups need men to controll their sexual needs and behavior. Before Hiv was relate with men who have sex with men. Not today. It is a global issue. That can show us that it does not discriminate. |
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jambo
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Posted - 17 Jul 2006 : 11:10:29
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Madiba, "I have always wondered by Africa is the hardest hit by this monster".
Denial plays a big part in this. Look at how some of the countries denied it existed and some still do. South Africa is a classic case of this.
Condoms would help, if the governments ask the western countries for them it would help. Or ask for the medicines to help slow the illness down.
Education, people who have travelled across Africa will tell you sex education is nominal at best, if it is taught in schools it would be last year level. More help for hospitals that look after the patients.
Media, I have read some stories of HIV and AIds, but the coverage is absmissal. Some will not have it on the television, papers, radio, billboards.
As a christian I would like the church to play a more active role in advising how the disease is caught, what to do, where to go. Stop the sleeping around. Do not get me started on condoms, if the church lifted the ban on this aids would figures would drop.
I cannot speak for the Moslem community but I hope the bantaba members can advise on what their community says.
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