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Originally posted by Cornelius Hamelberg

In a nutshell you do not mention those who founded Hezbullah ( “The Party of Allah”) weaponizes the party , finances it and pulls the strings all the way – they say – from Iran whose president dreams of “wiping out” ……..

http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/

http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html

How would you as a Gambia react if some such organisation like Hezbullah , say operating from Mauritania where they are part of Government, were to enter the Gambia, kill eight Gambian youth men soldiers, kidnap two and make some ridiculous demands?
Would you return the other cheek, or create a new precedent by satisfying their demands?
The story of course is not that simple.
Israel has not known a day of peace since Independence day, on 14th may 1947.

Surely, you do not think that Hezbullah is doing right, entering Israel, six years after Israel pulled out of Southern Lebanon, killing eight Israeli soldiers, kidnapping two, more all of whom were on a routine patrol within the Israeli side of the border, firing 700 missiles into the Galilee, and killing four more Israeli citizens on a peaceful Sabbath evening?
The problem is that many people believe their own lives to be much more precious than other people’s lives, and yet, each of us, has only one life.

Look you here:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=1809#comments

This is our Bantaba and there is enough of unoccupied free space for us to discuss this matter if you are up to it.

Here’s something about the AU conference in Banjul:
http://www.expotimes.net/index.html

Madiba, that was a fair question: How can there be World Peace, with people like Sheikh Nasrallah boasting that he is prepared to wage war on Israel “on all levels” even as the IDF is systematically taking out his teeth, one at a time?

The 2nd item in Shia usul is Adl ( Justice). There are 22 Arab states that belong to the Ishmael’s descendants of Abraham, and Mecca is their Qibbla. Is it ok that beloved Abraham’s son Isaac and Isaac’s descendants have Israel?

Now you be fair. No bloodshed please. The Almighty does not demand human sacrifice.
Tell your boys to release the soldiers they have kidnapped. That would be a good beginning for a world of peace, if indeed you believe in salaam …….

RSVP

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Originally posted by MADIBA


All these are cooked theories. The Fact remains that Britain instituted divide and rule strategy by conniving with British Jews in 1947/48 and UNFAIRLY GAVE 55% OF Plaestinian Lands(best lands) to Israel and 45% of aride , barren land to Palestianians. American helped Israel further steal more lands from Arab contries in 1967. Israel steal occupies golan heights of syria.

UNLESS AMERICA AND BRITAIN STOP THEIR BIAS IN THE GULF. MUSLIMS VS JEWS all our lives are in a mess. When activists strike, it won't spare non-american and non-british. 7/7 in London and 9/11 had international dimensions. Innocent lives were lost because of the BIAS policies of Washington abatted by London. We will continue to live in perpectual fear because of MANIACS AND MAD MEN WHO WIELD POWER IN washington and london.

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Originally posted by gambiabev

How about if Gambia bombed Senegal and captured Senegals soliders? Wouldnt you expect a reaction?

I am on neither side. I am actually AGAINST ALL WARS. I wish people could live in peace and enjoy their differences. This is one of the reasons I like the Gambia, because it is a peaceful country.

The Jewish people suffered terrible persecution across europe during the 2nd world war. They deserve to live in peace. But likewise I cant understand people who have been treated so badly turning round and treating others badly.

It is hard to see where a solution lies. But it isnt through bombs it is through TALKING.

LAND. POWER. RELIGION. CULTURAL DIFFERENCES.

It makes me so sad.

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Originally posted by njucks

[quote]Originally posted by gambiabev

How about if Gambia bombed Senegal and captured Senegals soliders? Wouldnt you expect a reaction?

Actually it is not Lebanon that has bombed Israel, its Hezbollah. however we shouldn't forget the thousands of people abducted and kidnapped, and detained by Israel currently in prison. should we expect a reaction?


The Jewish people suffered terrible persecution across europe during the 2nd world war. They deserve to live in peace. But likewise I cant understand people who have been treated so badly turning round and treating others badly.

perhaps its important to tell us where they deserve to live in peace, Europe perhaps. or maybe it is the guilt of the Holocaust why the West will not publicly criticise Israel.

this is not the first time. in 1982, Sharon entered a refugee camp with his soldiers in Lebanon and killed innocent people.

you are right talking is the key. how many times did Ghaddafi sponsor terrorist to bomb other nations.Liberian Civil war,The Gambia 1981 (about 1000 people died, Kobo was almost killed),West Germany, Lockerbie,even a British Police officer was killed in London by a bullet fired from the Libyan embassy, etc. but talking and sanctions have worked.

even North Korea has captured US and Japanese soldiers before. did we see such reaction.

at school i hated Literature, but one of the books we were forced to read was Animal Farm.in the end i liked it. now it reminds me of the security council, the similarity is that the world has been taken over by Donkeys and Horses making stupid decisions.

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others

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Originally posted by sab

Gambiabev – take a look at the ‘Jewish Lobby’ in America on a web site.

A quote from Israel’s former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,
“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it”

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Originally posted by kassma

njucks, what happened in 1981?

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Originally posted by kassma

njucks, what happened in 1981?

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What happened was that the Gambia Government was clever enough not to ask/rely on or request the United Nations or the Security Council for help when hundreds of ordinary gambian civilians were killed on a daily basis for no reason.

You would be reading this in Russian or Arabic if they did.

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Originally posted by sab

Greetings Janyanfara, You may or may not have interest in the British/UN below:
In 1947, unwilling and perhaps by then unable to solve the problem it had done most to create by failing to control Jewish immigration to Palestine, Britain gave up trying to reconcile the conflicting but far from equal claims of the Palestinians and the Jews to the same piece of land. In short, Britain washed it hands of the problem of Palestine and asked the UNTIED NATIONS to deal with it. November 1947 the UN General Assembly approved of a plan for the partition of Palestine. As you most probably know, it allotted fifty-seven per cent of the country to the Jews, despite the fact that they were less than one-third of the population and owned less than six per cent of the land.

The UNITED NATIONS decision had NO VALIDITY in INTERNATIONAL LAW.
A quote (1976) from Henry Cattan a Palestinian and a jurist of international repute: “The legal position is quite clear in this regard. The UN is an ORGANISATION OF STATES, which was formed for certain purposes defined in the Charter. At no time did this organisation possess any sovereignty or any other right over Palestine. Accordingly, the UN posses no power to decide the partition of Palestine, or to assign any part of its territory to a religious minority of alien immigrants in order that they might establish a state of their own.
The UN COULD NOT GIVE AWAY WHAT IT DID NOT POSSESS.
Neither individually, nor collectively, could the members of the UN alienate, reduce or impair the sovereignty of the people of Palestine, or dispose of their territory or destroy by partition the terrorial integrity of their country.”

The Partition Plan would not have been approved if a number of smaller nations who were members of the UN had been allowed to VOTE FREELY. It was approved only because the US, with the tacit support of the Soviet Union, intimidated a number of small states shoes votes were needed for the necessary majority. The Jewish lobby in turn influenced the US.

On this subject the US Secretary of Defence, James Forrestal, was later to write; “I thought it was a most disastrous and regrettable fact that the foreign policy of this country was determined by the contributions a particular bloc of special interests might make to party funds.”

When the Palestinians and their Arab people rejected partition, war in Palestine was inevitable. One Palestinian student who threw himself into the struggle was Yasser Arafat. He was nineteen. We know the rest…. The leader of the Jews in Palestine was David Ben-Gurion, delighted that the Arabs had rejected partition wand were going to fight. If partition had been implemented, the Jews, at least to start with, would have been obliged to settle for only fifty-seven per cent of Palestine.
In war, and as Ben-Gurion said, THEY WOULD TAKE WHAT THEY COULD GET. From here on the borders of the State of Israel would be DETERMINED BY FORCE AND WITHOUT REGARD FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE PALESTINIANS or the wishes of the international community.

I have taken this from a previous posting of mine on this bantaba, under’ interesting (please read & comment) UN/Palestine/Israel Sept & Oct 2004 – but some are missing, due to mishap in technology on bantaba at that time…

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Originally posted by kassma

i remember my family saying something about in 1981, bodies everywhere and hearing shots everywhere, but what started, what's the cause, somebody was trying to throw a coup right???

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