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Originally posted by Cornelius Hamelberg

Madiba, let me correct some of the gross errors, please:

“ Israel created or independence? Independence from who?” (madiss)

I intuit what you imply and it’s a reasonable reflection from anyone who comes across the expression “ Israel’s Independence day.” – and does not assume that it starts at Mt. Sinai where the Jewish nation was born with the leadership of MOSES –liberated from slavery in Egypt or with the conquest of Joshua as per instruction from the Almighty in Israel proper.

Israel is older than “the Gambia.” You know that. Is older than the Gambia, Sierra Leone, where I was born, or the fragments of what was once the Mali , Songhai or Ghana Empires, that Chiekh Anta Diop and his school would talk about.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&q=The+History+of+Israel

Mood I’m in I’d say post-holocaust and post-colonial once more back in the Jewish state and homeland that guarantees a safe refuge and independence from the otherwise hostile environment in which Jewish people have mostly lived in the GALUT - so it’s independence from anti-Semitism and a re-formation of what was once geographically and politically the contiguous Kingdoms of Israel and Judea which have always had a strong Jewish presence – and all your Christian scriptures, your “Ingeel” define Judea and Samaria as “the West bank” – remember that Jesus of Nazareth in the Galilee (which is now under severe bombardment by Hezbollah) was born in Bethlehem about 2006 years ago - when the whole of Israel was under Roman occupation and domination - he worshipped in the 2nd temple before the destruction of that temple which the Jewish people are mourning today - and that destruction took place on the 9th of Av which will fall on the 3rd of August this year, and will be a day of fasting and great sorrow observed until today as Tish B’av.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2CPCTA%3A2006-28%2CPCTA%3Aen&q=Tish+B%E2%80%99av&btnG=Search

Of course you know what the term Zealot is and where it comes from.

As you are aware , the Israel of Jesus’ time was under the colonial rule of the Romans, with Caesar as head of Empire. They tried to erase every trace and vestige of Jewishness from the Chosen Peoples’ Promised land, and that’s how the name Palestine was given and even Yerushalayim the spiritual and emotional heart of Jewish life was renamed…..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Yerushalayim&spell=1

You have surely heard about Herod? Pontius Pilate?

And fast forwarding to our historical times and calendar, yes, Palestine was a British mandate.
The Gambia’s Independence day was 18 February 1965
Sierra Leone’s was 27th April 1961
Nigeria’s was 10th October 1960
Ghana’s was 6th March 1957
All from Britain, too.
You may be about to ask the question that has been asked since the Israeli flag went up on 14th May 1948, and the Arab armies and tanks from Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon rolled in with the sole purpose of crushing the nascent reconstituted seedling pf a Jewish state which was only about 600,000 people strong at that time.
Yes, prior to that it was British mandate and the Jewish people also fought for their independence - fought the British. The Muslims , especially under the Ottoman umbrella of the Caliphate – the Ummah, were quite relaxed. Until Ottoman Empire was also over.
Question you are really asking which I’ve heard a thousand times from diverse enmity is “ Whose possession was Palestine , for Great Britain’s Lord Balfour to give it away?”

Dear, Madiba, I’m sure that you know about the Holocaust and perhaps if you had been in a position to help even from the Gambia , you would have done so – both the Gambia and other former colonies in Africa will be adding their voices in the debates that will shortly be taking place at the UN calling for the implementation of the Resolution asking Hezbollah to disarm

Another still unanswered question is: WHO KILLED RAFIK HARIRI?
Please understand this ( as you have surely read about Paul on the way to Damascus) SYRIA (the baddest guys on the block, badder than the Iranians who want to be badder) regard “Palestine” as a province of Syria, and that would include a so-called “independent Palestinian State.”

I wish I could stimulate more thinking around the questions that we ourselves will have to answer, to find the answers.
Israel has been around for a long time. It’s the name the Almighty gave to Jacob, Israel, the Champion of El…..

Please excuse the numerous mistakes that are likely to crop up in this and other postings. I’m in a great hurry and have many other types of errands to attend to and hardly enough time to read this over, one more time ……sometimes I begin a sentence before the phone rings or it’s time for the news and pick up little knowing where I was when I started.

Still in the same mood. Tell your president to tell Hezbollah to stop firing their crudely made rockets into Israel, even if the boastful Nasrallah has a stockpile of nuclear, chemical and bacteriological weapons of mass destruction which he will not hesitate to release.
I’d hate to see Damascus or Tehran nuked and I have friends in Aleppo too.

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All these are cooked theories. The Fact remains that Britain instituted divide and rule strategy by conniving with British Jews in 1947/48 and UNFAIRLY GAVE 55% OF Plaestinian Lands(best lands) to Israel and 45% of aride , barren land to Palestianians. American helped Israel further steal more lands from Arab contries in 1967. Israel steal occupies golan heights of syria.

UNLESS AMERICA AND BRITAIN STOP THEIR BIAS IN THE GULF. MUSLIMS VS JEWS all our lives are in a mess. When activists strike, it won't spare non-american and non-british. 7/7 in London and 9/11 had international dimensions. Innocent lives were lost because of the BIAS policies of Washington abatted by London. We will continue to live in perpectual fear because of MANIACS AND MAD MEN WHO WIELD POWER IN washington and london.

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Originally posted by gambiabev

So you think only the non British and non American were innocent victims?

Please retract that.

ALL the victims of 9/11 and 7/7 were innocent people going about their daily lives.
MOST of my British friends were NOT in favour of the war.

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Originally posted by kayjatta

Israel has done a lot in trying to encourage the growth of peace in the region. Unfortunately , countries like Syria , and Iran , and groups like Hamas, and Hezbola are hell-bent on distroying Israel. They do not want a neighborly co-existence. Remember "voluntarily" pulled out of Lebanon with the Lebanese promise to disarm Hezbola which they never did. Instead hundreds of missiles were stationed there pointing at Israel continuously even prior to the recent border attack by the trrorist group Hezbola. Also Israel pulled out of Gaza only for Hamas to use it as a launch pad for terrorist attacks.
One little act of peace by Israel needs to be reciprocated by Palestine and others.
It is easy to fall in the trap of religious politics of sentiments. But the proper way to look at this is to view it as a struggle for power and resources. not long ago Hamas and Fatah (both Palestinians and muslims)militants were in the streets shooting each other following the victory of Hamas over Fatah.
Israel is fully entitled to defend itself if attacked.Yet negotiation is the only way forward and Palestine , Lebanon , Syria , Iran , and other interested parties needs to understand that.

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Originally posted by gambiabev

The Jewish people suffered terrible persecution across europe during the 2nd world war. They deserve to live in peace. But likewise I cant understand people who have been treated so badly turning round and treating others badly.

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Originally posted by gambiabev

So you think only the non British and non American were innocent victims?

Please retract that.

ALL the victims of 9/11 and 7/7 were innocent people going about their daily lives.
MOST of my British friends were NOT in favour of the war.

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Originally posted by gambiabev

Christian fundamentalists are a TINY part of USA society. MOst Americans are peaceful nice people. Some are Christian, many are not. It is a melting pot.

What makes you think there will be the politcial will to turn out Muslims? Even after 9/11 I didnt hear that. How would they get the power to do that? Remember it is a democracy. Do you think it would ever get voted through?

OF COURSE it wouldnt. America is a country made by imigration. Apart from native people, EVERYONE is an imigrant.

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