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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 15:43:02
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The Excesses of Israel's state terrorism against its neighbour with the tacit approval of the US and its allies will only provoke more 9/11s and 7/7s attacks. Unless there is fair play and justice in the management of racial or otherwise crises, radical solutions will always be used by the dis-advantaged.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5175160.stm
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jambo
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Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 18:54:28
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| in what universe would there be fair play, only in cyberspace, its all about land and religion. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 18:59:54
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 19:11:49
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definately, oil is big one.
comments made at au, africa produces oil but has not control over price. it sends it away to be treted and buys it back. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 20:00:25
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please check bbc.co.uk or any news web site, price of oil has gone up
Oil soars after Israel offensive
Israel's offensive in Lebanon follows the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers
Oil prices have hit record highs, topping $76 a barrel, amid growing international tension in the wake of Israel's offensive in Lebanon.
Supply worries in Nigeria and fears that Iran's nuclear ambitions would be referred back to the UN Security Council also pushed oil prices higher.
In New York, a barrel of light sweet crude jumped to $76.30, while London's main Brent contract hit $76.15.
A drop in US oil inventories added to the upward pressure on crude prices.
US stockpiles of crude fell by 6 million barrels last week, on the back of an increase in demand from motorists for fuel, according to US government figures.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 20:48:17
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If Israel was touched by Lebanon first and the bombardments going on now, American and allied propaganda would have been nasty against "Islam and terrosism". Thats politics of oppression and the oppressed nations in guise of war against terror. Israels policies and strategies are crucial for world peace and peaceful co-existence in the Middle East. The vicious cycle of terror and genocide must stop or continues to have severe backlash and hinder stability and world peace as an ideal situation for this era which has great strides in all spheres of development academically, scientifically and technologically.
Give PEACE a chance! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 21:47:14
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Originally posted by jambo
in what universe would there be fair play, only in cyberspace, its all about land and religion.
Then the US, Britain and there allies should have no moral duty to label some countries axis of evil and terrorists. If they are super power to whom small nations look up to for guidance then they should know better. Or else they will continue to endanger millions of lives in their backyards and elsewhere. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 03:36:04
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In a nutshell you do not mention those who founded Hezbullah ( “The Party of Allah”) weaponizes the party , finances it and pulls the strings all the way – they say – from Iran whose president dreams of “wiping out” ……..
http://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html
How would you as a Gambia react if some such organisation like Hezbullah , say operating from Mauritania where they are part of Government, were to enter the Gambia, kill eight Gambian youth men soldiers, kidnap two and make some ridiculous demands?
Would you return the other cheek, or create a new precedent by satisfying their demands?
The story of course is not that simple.
Israel has not known a day of peace since Independence day, on 14th may 1947.
Surely, you do not think that Hezbullah is doing right, entering Israel, six years after Israel pulled out of Southern Lebanon, killing eight Israeli soldiers, kidnapping two, more all of whom were on a routine patrol within the Israeli side of the border, firing 700 missiles into the Galilee, and killing four more Israeli citizens on a peaceful Sabbath evening?
The problem is that many people believe their own lives to be much more precious than other people’s lives, and yet, each of us, has only one life.
Look you here:
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=1809#comments
This is our Bantaba and there is enough of unoccupied free space for us to discuss this matter if you are up to it.
Here’s something about the AU conference in Banjul:
http://www.expotimes.net/index.html
Madiba, that was a fair question: How can there be World Peace, with people like Sheikh Nasrallah boasting that he is prepared to wage war on Israel “on all levels” even as the IDF is systematically taking out his teeth, one at a time?
The 2nd item in Shia usul is Adl ( Justice). There are 22 Arab states that belong to the Ishmael’s descendants of Abraham, and Mecca is their Qibbla. Is it ok that beloved Abraham’s son Isaac and Isaac’s descendants have Israel?
Now you be fair. No bloodshed please. The Almighty does not demand human sacrifice.
Tell your boys to release the soldiers they have kidnapped. That would be a good beginning for a world of peace, if indeed you believe in salaam …….
RSVP
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Cornelius
Sweden
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 09:25:23
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Originally posted by Cornelius Hamelberg
Sorry, just like to make one of many possible corrections:
Israel's Independence day is 14th may 1948 !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Ha'atzma'ut
Israel created or independence? Independence from who? |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 19:56:25
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quote:
Originally posted by MADIBA
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Originally posted by Cornelius Hamelberg
Sorry, just like to make one of many possible corrections:
Israel's Independence day is 14th may 1948 !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Ha'atzma'ut
Israel created or independence? Independence from who?
“ Israel created or independence? Independence from who?” (madiss)
I intuit what you imply and it’s a reasonable reflection from anyone who comes across the expression “ Israel’s Independence day.” – and does not assume that it starts at Mt. Sinai where he Jewish nation was born –liberated from slavery in Egypt or with the conquest of Joshua as per instruction from the Almighty in Israel proper.
Israel is older than “the Gambia.” You know that. Is older than the Gambia. Sierra Leone, where I was born, or the fragments of what was once the Mali , Songhai or Ghana Empires, that Chiekh Anta Diop and that school would talk about.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&q=The+History+of+Israel
Mood I’m in I’d say post holocaust and post-colonial once more back in the Jewish state that guarantees a safe refuge and independence from the otherwise hostile environment in which Jewish people have mostly lived in the GALUT , so it’s independence from ant-Semitism and a re-formation of what was once geographically and politically the contiguous Kingdoms of Israel and Judea which have always had a strong Jewish presence – and all your Christian scriptures, your “Ingeel” define Judea and Samaria as “the West bank” – remember that Jesus of Nazareth in the Galilee (which is now under severe bombardment by Hezbollah) was born in Bethlehem about 2006 years ago - when the whole of Israel was under Roman occupation and domination - he worshipped in the 2nd temple before the destruction of that temple which the Jewish people are mourning today - and that destruction took place on the 9th of Av which will fall on the 3rd of Augurs this year, and will be a day of fasting and great sorrow observed until today as Tish B’av.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2CPCTA%3A2006-28%2CPCTA%3Aen&q=Tish+B%E2%80%99av&btnG=Search
Of course you know what the term Zealot is and where it comes from.
As you are aware , the Israel of Jesus time was under the colonial rule of the Romans, with Caesar as head of Empire. They tried to erase every trace and vestige of >Jewishness from the Chosen Peoples’ Promised land, and that’s how the name Palestine was given and even Yerushalayim the spiritual and emotional centre of Jewish life was renamed…..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Yerushalayim&spell=1
You have surely heard about Herod? Pontius Pilate?
And fast forwarding to our historical times and calendar, yes, Palestine was a British mandate.
The Gambia’s Independence day was 18 February 1965
Sierra Leone’s was 27th April 1961
Nigeria’s was 10th October 1960
Ghana’s was 6th March 1957
All from Britain, too.
You may be about to ask the question that has been asked since the Israeli flag went up on 14th May 1948, and the Arab armies and tanks from Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon rolled with the sole purpose of crushing the nascent reconstituted seedling pf a Jewish state which was only about 6000,0000 people strong at that time.
Yes prior to that it was British mandate and the Jewish people also fought fro their independence- fought the British. The Muslims , especially under the Ottoman umbrella of the Caliphate – the Ummah were quite relaxed. Until Ottoman Empire was also over.
Question you are really asking which I’ve heard a thousand times from diverse enmity “ Whose possession was Palestine , for Great Britain’s Lord Balfour to give it away.”
Dear, Madiba, I’m sure that you know about the Holocaust and perhaps if you had been in a position to help even from the Gambia , you would have done so – both the Gambia and other former colonies in Africa will be adding their voices in the debates that will shortly be taking place at the UN calling for the implementation of the Resolution asking Hezbollah to disarm
Another still unanswered question is: WHO KILLED RAKIK HARIRI?
Please understand this ( as you have surely read about Paul on the way to Damascus) SYRIA( the baddest guys on the block) regard “Palestine” as a province of Syria, and that would include a so-called independent Palestinian State.”
I wish I could stimulate more thinking around the questions that we ourselves will have to answer, to find the answers.
Israel has been around for along time. It’s the name the Almighty gave to Jacob, Israel, the Champion of El…..
Please excuse the numerous mistakes that are likely to crop up in this and other postings. I’m in a great hurry and have many other types of errands to attend to and hardly enough time to read this over, sometimes I begin a sentence before the phone rings or it’s time for the news and pick up little knowing where I was when I started.
Still in the same mood.
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 20:13:45
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Madiba, let me correct some of the gross errors, please:
“ Israel created or independence? Independence from who?” (madiss)
I intuit what you imply and it’s a reasonable reflection from anyone who comes across the expression “ Israel’s Independence day.” – and does not assume that it starts at Mt. Sinai where the Jewish nation was born with the leadership of MOSES –liberated from slavery in Egypt or with the conquest of Joshua as per instruction from the Almighty in Israel proper.
Israel is older than “the Gambia.” You know that. Is older than the Gambia, Sierra Leone, where I was born, or the fragments of what was once the Mali , Songhai or Ghana Empires, that Chiekh Anta Diop and his school would talk about.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&q=The+History+of+Israel
Mood I’m in I’d say post-holocaust and post-colonial once more back in the Jewish state and homeland that guarantees a safe refuge and independence from the otherwise hostile environment in which Jewish people have mostly lived in the GALUT - so it’s independence from anti-Semitism and a re-formation of what was once geographically and politically the contiguous Kingdoms of Israel and Judea which have always had a strong Jewish presence – and all your Christian scriptures, your “Ingeel” define Judea and Samaria as “the West bank” – remember that Jesus of Nazareth in the Galilee (which is now under severe bombardment by Hezbollah) was born in Bethlehem about 2006 years ago - when the whole of Israel was under Roman occupation and domination - he worshipped in the 2nd temple before the destruction of that temple which the Jewish people are mourning today - and that destruction took place on the 9th of Av which will fall on the 3rd of August this year, and will be a day of fasting and great sorrow observed until today as Tish B’av.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2CPCTA%3A2006-28%2CPCTA%3Aen&q=Tish+B%E2%80%99av&btnG=Search
Of course you know what the term Zealot is and where it comes from.
As you are aware , the Israel of Jesus’ time was under the colonial rule of the Romans, with Caesar as head of Empire. They tried to erase every trace and vestige of Jewishness from the Chosen Peoples’ Promised land, and that’s how the name Palestine was given and even Yerushalayim the spiritual and emotional heart of Jewish life was renamed…..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Yerushalayim&spell=1
You have surely heard about Herod? Pontius Pilate?
And fast forwarding to our historical times and calendar, yes, Palestine was a British mandate.
The Gambia’s Independence day was 18 February 1965
Sierra Leone’s was 27th April 1961
Nigeria’s was 10th October 1960
Ghana’s was 6th March 1957
All from Britain, too.
You may be about to ask the question that has been asked since the Israeli flag went up on 14th May 1948, and the Arab armies and tanks from Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon rolled in with the sole purpose of crushing the nascent reconstituted seedling pf a Jewish state which was only about 600,000 people strong at that time.
Yes, prior to that it was British mandate and the Jewish people also fought for their independence - fought the British. The Muslims , especially under the Ottoman umbrella of the Caliphate – the Ummah, were quite relaxed. Until Ottoman Empire was also over.
Question you are really asking which I’ve heard a thousand times from diverse enmity is “ Whose possession was Palestine , for Great Britain’s Lord Balfour to give it away?”
Dear, Madiba, I’m sure that you know about the Holocaust and perhaps if you had been in a position to help even from the Gambia , you would have done so – both the Gambia and other former colonies in Africa will be adding their voices in the debates that will shortly be taking place at the UN calling for the implementation of the Resolution asking Hezbollah to disarm
Another still unanswered question is: WHO KILLED RAFIK HARIRI?
Please understand this ( as you have surely read about Paul on the way to Damascus) SYRIA (the baddest guys on the block, badder than the Iranians who want to be badder) regard “Palestine” as a province of Syria, and that would include a so-called “independent Palestinian State.”
I wish I could stimulate more thinking around the questions that we ourselves will have to answer, to find the answers.
Israel has been around for a long time. It’s the name the Almighty gave to Jacob, Israel, the Champion of El…..
Please excuse the numerous mistakes that are likely to crop up in this and other postings. I’m in a great hurry and have many other types of errands to attend to and hardly enough time to read this over, one more time ……sometimes I begin a sentence before the phone rings or it’s time for the news and pick up little knowing where I was when I started.
Still in the same mood. Tell your president to tell Hezbollah to stop firing their crudely made rockets into Israel, even if the boastful Nasrallah has a stockpile of nuclear, chemical and bacteriological weapons of mass destruction which he will not hesitate to release.
I’d hate to see Damascus or Tehran nuked and I have friends in Aleppo too.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 21:44:06
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Israel has done a lot in trying to encourage the growth of peace in the region. Unfortunately , countries like Syria , and Iran , and groups like Hamas, and Hezbola are hell-bent on distroying Israel. They do not want a neighborly co-existence. Remember "voluntarily" pulled out of Lebanon with the Lebanese promise to disarm Hezbola which they never did. Instead hundreds of missiles were stationed there pointing at Israel continuously even prior to the recent border attack by the trrorist group Hezbola. Also Israel pulled out of Gaza only for Hamas to use it as a launch pad for terrorist attacks.
One little act of peace by Israel needs to be reciprocated by Palestine and others.
It is easy to fall in the trap of religious politics of sentiments. But the proper way to look at this is to view it as a struggle for power and resources. not long ago Hamas and Fatah (both Palestinians and muslims)militants were in the streets shooting each other following the victory of Hamas over Fatah.
Israel is fully entitled to defend itself if attacked.Yet negotiation is the only way forward and Palestine , Lebanon , Syria , Iran , and other interested parties needs to understand that. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 22:36:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius Hamelberg
Madiba, let me correct some of the gross errors, please:
“ Israel created or independence? Independence from who?” (madiss)
I intuit what you imply and it’s a reasonable reflection from anyone who comes across the expression “ Israel’s Independence day.” – and does not assume that it starts at Mt. Sinai where the Jewish nation was born with the leadership of MOSES –liberated from slavery in Egypt or with the conquest of Joshua as per instruction from the Almighty in Israel proper.
Israel is older than “the Gambia.” You know that. Is older than the Gambia, Sierra Leone, where I was born, or the fragments of what was once the Mali , Songhai or Ghana Empires, that Chiekh Anta Diop and his school would talk about.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&q=The+History+of+Israel
Mood I’m in I’d say post-holocaust and post-colonial once more back in the Jewish state and homeland that guarantees a safe refuge and independence from the otherwise hostile environment in which Jewish people have mostly lived in the GALUT - so it’s independence from anti-Semitism and a re-formation of what was once geographically and politically the contiguous Kingdoms of Israel and Judea which have always had a strong Jewish presence – and all your Christian scriptures, your “Ingeel” define Judea and Samaria as “the West bank” – remember that Jesus of Nazareth in the Galilee (which is now under severe bombardment by Hezbollah) was born in Bethlehem about 2006 years ago - when the whole of Israel was under Roman occupation and domination - he worshipped in the 2nd temple before the destruction of that temple which the Jewish people are mourning today - and that destruction took place on the 9th of Av which will fall on the 3rd of August this year, and will be a day of fasting and great sorrow observed until today as Tish B’av.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2CPCTA%3A2006-28%2CPCTA%3Aen&q=Tish+B%E2%80%99av&btnG=Search
Of course you know what the term Zealot is and where it comes from.
As you are aware , the Israel of Jesus’ time was under the colonial rule of the Romans, with Caesar as head of Empire. They tried to erase every trace and vestige of Jewishness from the Chosen Peoples’ Promised land, and that’s how the name Palestine was given and even Yerushalayim the spiritual and emotional heart of Jewish life was renamed…..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=PCTA,PCTA:2006-28,PCTA:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Yerushalayim&spell=1
You have surely heard about Herod? Pontius Pilate?
And fast forwarding to our historical times and calendar, yes, Palestine was a British mandate.
The Gambia’s Independence day was 18 February 1965
Sierra Leone’s was 27th April 1961
Nigeria’s was 10th October 1960
Ghana’s was 6th March 1957
All from Britain, too.
You may be about to ask the question that has been asked since the Israeli flag went up on 14th May 1948, and the Arab armies and tanks from Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon rolled in with the sole purpose of crushing the nascent reconstituted seedling pf a Jewish state which was only about 600,000 people strong at that time.
Yes, prior to that it was British mandate and the Jewish people also fought for their independence - fought the British. The Muslims , especially under the Ottoman umbrella of the Caliphate – the Ummah, were quite relaxed. Until Ottoman Empire was also over.
Question you are really asking which I’ve heard a thousand times from diverse enmity is “ Whose possession was Palestine , for Great Britain’s Lord Balfour to give it away?”
Dear, Madiba, I’m sure that you know about the Holocaust and perhaps if you had been in a position to help even from the Gambia , you would have done so – both the Gambia and other former colonies in Africa will be adding their voices in the debates that will shortly be taking place at the UN calling for the implementation of the Resolution asking Hezbollah to disarm
Another still unanswered question is: WHO KILLED RAFIK HARIRI?
Please understand this ( as you have surely read about Paul on the way to Damascus) SYRIA (the baddest guys on the block, badder than the Iranians who want to be badder) regard “Palestine” as a province of Syria, and that would include a so-called “independent Palestinian State.”
I wish I could stimulate more thinking around the questions that we ourselves will have to answer, to find the answers.
Israel has been around for a long time. It’s the name the Almighty gave to Jacob, Israel, the Champion of El…..
Please excuse the numerous mistakes that are likely to crop up in this and other postings. I’m in a great hurry and have many other types of errands to attend to and hardly enough time to read this over, one more time ……sometimes I begin a sentence before the phone rings or it’s time for the news and pick up little knowing where I was when I started.
Still in the same mood. Tell your president to tell Hezbollah to stop firing their crudely made rockets into Israel, even if the boastful Nasrallah has a stockpile of nuclear, chemical and bacteriological weapons of mass destruction which he will not hesitate to release.
I’d hate to see Damascus or Tehran nuked and I have friends in Aleppo too.
All these are cooked theories. The Fact remains that Britain instituted divide and rule strategy by conniving with British Jews in 1947/48 and UNFAIRLY GAVE 55% OF Plaestinian Lands(best lands) to Israel and 45% of aride , barren land to Palestianians. American helped Israel further steal more lands from Arab contries in 1967. Israel steal occupies golan heights of syria.
UNLESS AMERICA AND BRITAIN STOP THEIR BIAS IN THE GULF. MUSLIMS VS JEWS all our lives are in a mess. When activists strike, it won't spare non-american and non-british. 7/7 in London and 9/11 had international dimensions. Innocent lives were lost because of the BIAS policies of Washington abatted by London. We will continue to live in perpectual fear because of MANIACS AND MAD MEN WHO WIELD POWER IN washington and london. |
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