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sankalanka
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 Posted - 01 Nov 2011 : 20:22:29
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"Sankalanka, again I like your arguements but what I see is that you answer a lot of my questions with a " And so... meaning you don't care about the outcome... correct me if am wrong."
Equally what I cannot understand, is why with a UDP-LED coalition you are expecting an outcome that is different from the one in 1996, in 2001 and in 2006?
PDOIS told you unequivocally that for the three election cycles in which the UDP has contested in all their UDP-LED alliances, their percentage shares of the votes, despite the highest among the opposition political parties, has consistently been going down. And the 2006 elections has been the worst in which a large percentage of the Gambian voters did not even bother to go and vote. Now you expect all this to change within two months because PDOIS sign on to yet another UDP-LED coalition.
Who therefore is harboring unrealistic expectations for an outcome, when you have been doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result?
I already know what is going to be the outcome of this election, even with a UDP-LED alliance and I am not buying all the political hype about the biggest political party or the party with the largest number of votes. The dynamics of politics in the Gambia has changed, and in less than a month we will know whether the UDP is the biggest political party or whether they will have the largest share of the opposition votes.
They have been telling PDOIS that they are intransigent, and despite all what PDOIS has been telling them that we should abandon the idea of our individual political parties, and pursue a national front of all political parties, now we will see where their intransigence of insisting on leading all opposition political parties will lead them.
Why do they want to turn around to blame other people? Pdois hs been making their arguments for three long years.
"Now to begin with my opening statement is very clear unless you want to confuse yourself on it... I stated that the signing ceremony was a great democratic exercise and vision that we want to have in Gambia some day." OK.
"I followed that up with another statement indicating that the opposition parties keep doing the same thing without success and they should realize it and stop now." OK.
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You are right we all have the right to take up our different positions, and I want to make my very clear without an iota of doubt..
"I strongly believe that endorsing the party with the largest voting constituents is what gives us the best chance to win this election against APRC"
What would be the basis of endorsing the party with the largest voting constituents? And what makes you so sure that if PDOIS was to endorse the UDP that PDOIS supporters would also willingly endorse and vote for the UDP? What are the basis of these assumptions?
"I know this is difficult for political parties to do, but it is what gives us the chance to get to that vision of democratic Gambia.
I also strongly believe that PDOIS folks can and will have a greater impact in helping bring about the needed reforms if they are part of party in power who is willing to work with them and empower them to help craft the needed changes... constitutional reform, electoral policies etc etc. "
I believe you have not been listening to PDOIS. The fundamental disagreement that PDOIS has with the UDP is their insistence on a party led coalition. PDOIS argues that there is no statistical or theoretical basis that would support UDP's contention that they can win an election on a party-led basis. Therefore they cannot support that initiative.
Moreover, if UDP were to win the election on a UDP-LED platform, the government that they will form will be a UDP government which is not the same with a coalition government. The UDP elected president will form a government with whoever he pleases. How PDOIS will work under such a government that can fire them at the least provocation to bring about the needed reforms that you envisaged just beats the imagination.
"If the UDP are willing to share a government with all the opposition parties and are willing to form a task force of all the opposition parties to decide on how to govern the country even before winning the elections, I think that is a risk Halifa and others should take."
The question is what happens after the UDP takes over power. Remember that the UDP president can hire and fire the PDOIS at his own discretion. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Is this the kind of working relations that you want between the PDOIS and a UDP government?
I read the rest of your opinion, and what can I say? You have a right to your opinion. Thanks for the rejoinder.
Sankalanka, there is nothing guranteed in politics, I believe that UDP has this time around presented itself where something great can come out of an opposition unity around it...
See Sankalanka, I have been a sympathiser of PDOIS as well in the past and records here shows that I was one of the biggest supporters of NADD. I believed and continue to believe that the NADD formula was a great one to bring about change in Gambia. We know how the rest of the story went with NADD and now this convention.
Sankalanka, once again my take is clear... rally around the party that gives us the best chance to win... this same vision of a democractic Gambia being paraded at the signing of the MOU could have been presented at the endorsement of a UDP led coalition as a condition of support.
If these parties have recognized UDP's electoral map, come to a meeting and lay out this document and ask for all to sign off on, we could have had a strong coalition and will be on our way to victory come Nov 24. This would have given us the opportunity to rebuild our democratic institutions and reform our nation.
Now, supposedly they win the elections and then UDP start to turn around which I think is the fear many have, then the battle for our country will continue And this will be so regardless of who is in power... This is my stand and it is crystal clear.
Thanks
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics
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Ebra
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Nov 2011 : 20:44:17
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If UDP-led alliance cannot win the election then why do you think that tiny fraction will win. I will say it here again that this united front will failed woefully and loose their deposit.
Sine in early 1980 we've seen PDOIS never securing 5% of the vote and how can that be change this time.
Vote no to NADD/NRP/GPDP.
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 01 Nov 2011 : 22:54:47
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Originally posted by sankalanka
"Equally what I cannot understand, is why with a UDP-LED coalition you are expecting an outcome that is different from the one in 1996, in 2001 and in 2006"?
PDOIS told you unequivocally that for the three election cycles in which the UDP has contested in all their UDP-LED alliances, their percentage shares of the votes, despite the highest among the opposition political parties, has consistently been going down. And the 2006 elections has been the worst in which a large percentage of the Gambian voters did not even bother to go and vote. Now you expect all this to change within two months because PDOIS sign on to yet another UDP-LED coalition.
Sankalanka, I expect the results of this year's elections to be different if PDOIS and others endorse a UDP led coalition because there is ample evidence that Gambian voters are ready for change. The people are angry at the status quo and are willing to rally behind a winning ticket. You don't have to be on the ground or be a political scientist to know that half of Gambians have been humiliated by this regime and they are ready for change.
Yes, I expect these to change within two months because one month in politics is enough to rally a nation. Sanka.. elections are about momentum... If the people are excited about the prospect of all the opposition parties coming together, putting their differences aside and campaign for unity.. Jammeh will lose these elections. The early days of NADD are a clear evidence. There was jubilation all over the country and the Diaspora as well. All they need is to step up on the same platform and call for the Gambian people to rally behind them...
"Who therefore is harboring unrealistic expectations for an outcome, when you have been doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result?"
The opposition has been and PDOIS in particular have been hammering the same drum and doing the same analysis year after year with no electoral results.
"I already know what is going to be the outcome of this election, even with a UDP-LED alliance and I am not buying all the political hype about the biggest political party or the party with the largest number of votes. The dynamics of politics in the Gambia has changed, and in less than a month we will know whether the UDP is the biggest political party or whether they will have the largest share of the opposition votes".
This is very unfortunate because that is not what Gambians expect of their leaders. This is not supposed to be about the biggest party or the smallest party. This is supposed to be rallying behind a candidate who will give us the best chance to win regardless of who. If PDOIS were the leading party electorally, we would have been calling for the same thing. So to sit down and say we will see if UDP is the biggest party is really a narrow way of looking at our national interest.
They have been telling PDOIS that they are intransigent, and despite all what PDOIS has been telling them that we should abandon the idea of our individual political parties, and pursue a national front of all political parties, now we will see where their intransigence of insisting on leading all opposition political parties will lead them.
Again, very unfortunate. You are not ask to abandon your party platform forever.. right now your party platform and that of the UDP does not make any difference to the Gambian people. You cannot even go on the national TV and talk to your supporters. What we are saying is temporary put aside your party ideology and interest and pursue a national interest with a united front... Is that too much to ask of leaders????
"Why do they want to turn around to blame other people? Pdois hs been making their arguments for three long years".
PDOIS's argument for the last three years has been about primaries. You have never seen anywhere in the world where political parties conduct a primary within themselves. This was another dream that is unrealistic with the Gambian political realities.
"What would be the basis of endorsing the party with the largest voting constituents? And what makes you so sure that if PDOIS was to endorse the UDP that PDOIS supporters would also willingly endorse and vote for the UDP? What are the basis of these assumptions?"
The basis for endorsing the largest political party is first and foremost the political reality. The party with the largest electoral constituents consistently for the last three election cycles has a better chance of giving the opposition a victory.
If PDOIS and everyone else endorses the UDP I expect that PDOIS voters will follow the advise of their leadership and vote for the winning ticket - unless off course PDOIS tells them something different behind close doors. If PDOIS claim to have the loyalty of its supporters, then they should be able to convince them to vote for the interest of all political parties.
The reality here is that PDOIS is seeing this as "helping another party come to power" instead of owning the process and the results together with all other parties. This is a gross miscalculation and a deadly political mistake.
"I believe you have not been listening to PDOIS. The fundamental disagreement that PDOIS has with the UDP is their insistence on a party led coalition. PDOIS argues that there is no statistical or theoretical basis that would support UDP's contention that they can win an election on a party-led basis. Therefore they cannot support that initiative."
No, I have been listening to PDOIS. I understand the difference, but am saying party led coalition is the best option to win against the incumbent. Now if UDP had endorsed PDOIS as a party led coalition would that be a problem? Probably not!
"Moreover, if UDP were to win the election on a UDP-LED platform, the government that they will form will be a UDP government which is not the same with a coalition government. The UDP elected president will form a government with whoever he pleases. How PDOIS will work under such a government that can fire them at the least provocation to bring about the needed reforms that you envisaged just beats the imagination."
Now we are talking... this statement is not acurate Sankalanka... Mr. Darboe made it clear in an interview he had on the air several times that he will form a cabinet of all opposition parties. In fact, it is part of PDOIS and other parties responsibilities to make sure that this is clearly spelled out before you sign off to a party led coalition. If you had these things on paper and demand that those things be binding before a party led coalition... you would have been closer to union and victory come Nov. UDP simply asked for something that any leading political party will ask for. If PDOIS had over 20% of the votes consistently, it would have been flexing its muscles and asking for an endorsement. This is the reality and the common sense thing to do.
"The question is what happens after the UDP takes over power. Remember that the UDP president can hire and fire the PDOIS at his own discretion. There is nothing anyone can do about it. Is this the kind of working relations that you want between the PDOIS and a UDP government?"
We have already talked about this.. first you change the constitution and make sure that the transition government does not have the power to fire the allides until after the transition. It is again the duty of the parties to make than demand.
What I and many Gambians expect PDOIS and others to ask for these conditions from the UDP. Besides, I am of the believe that no matter what government comes to power, Gambians will still continue to fight for change. Change cannot happen over night and to think so is a naive way of looking at the issues.
In fact if UDP try to expand its grip on power after it comes to power, we the Gambian people will stand up and defeat that as well just like the way we will defeat Jammeh. At the very least we will succeed in putting in place many changes before that happens. If it happens we will stand tall and fight them out of power. We are certainly better off under a Darboe government than Jammeh period. To think otherwise is to deny the Gambian people the chance for change..
Yes, we all have our individual opinions on our national discourse and we should all therefore listen to what the majority of the people want and not be fixated on ideology or individual party interest.
Thanks
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
Edited by - dbaldeh on 01 Nov 2011 23:08:08 |
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maple
United Kingdom
43 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 11:30:13
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From Senegambia news:
"Lawyer Ousianou Darboe on behalf of the UDP and it's allies, will stage a citizens outreach effort aimed exclusively at the diaspora on Sunday November 6th 2011. His aim is to extend best wishes in the tradition and spirit of the glorious day of Eid ul Adha (Tobaski), and in the process solicit the prayers and support of a constituency critical to both the ongoing well being and perhaps more importantly, determining the kind of future that our people deserve.
This being the thick of the campaign season, Mr Darboe will take the opportunity to ask every citizen to shake off all their understandable inhibitions - be it fear, indifference, uncertainty, dissapointment; and imagine a Gambia that is free, safe and democratic where the national leadership is reflective of the admirable values and goodness of it's people.
The UDP recognises that the overwhelming majority of our citizens oppose the regime of Yahya Jammeh and believes that with unity of purpose, our diverse people can consign this nasty regime to the dustbin of history. With structures, support and connections in every part of the country, the UDP offers the best vehicle to deliver the kind of change the majority wants. Once change comes, the political environment would improve for all Gambians spawning newer and hopefully more robust parties and politicians. To those Gambians who are ambivalent about the UDP in general or Ousainou Darboe in particular for whatever reason, please take the time and call him at +220-991-1588 . I am convinced he would allay your concerns, answer your questions to the best of his abilities and accord you the utmost respect through it all. Some of his critics confuse his congenial temprement and fidelity to the rule of law with weakness. Nothing could be further from the truth and infact most Gambians tend to be polite and soft spoken consistent with our deep rooted tradition of moderation and being considerate.
The habitual insolence of Yahya Jammeh especially his penchant for talking down to the Gambian people has so coarsened the public discourse that there is a strong yearning among the people for exactly the kind of temprement Ousainou Darboe projects. As someone who has been affliated with the UDP for a few years, and dealt with the entire spectrum of the party from the national executive to the voter at the precinct level, I invite all of you who want to usher in real change to partner with us for a decisive battle to end tyranny.
Ousainou Darboe is an honest and reliable gentleman who can oversee transformational change and restore our core national values of humility, freedom and equal protection under the law. He will revert the Gambia government to its constitutional responsibilty of solving problems and away from its current perverse oreintation of being a persistent cause of fear and repression. Terrible regimes can't be wished away. They are removed by the affirmative action of citizens rising above comparatively small inhibitions to mitigate a larger menace.
I urge all my fellow citizens to not give into instincts that steer them away from working for what they know to be right. Our country needs all its citizens in this time of our national need. Please do not abandon your country. UDP invites all of you to a historic outreach conference call on Sunday, November 6th at 5.00pm Eastern Satndard time (US). Ousainou Darboe would like to personally and directly lobby you. The number to call is 712-432-0075 199-147#. Inshallh, the event will start 5.00pm prompt and diasporans outside the US can follow the event and perhaps join through the online broadcast media.
Finally, we would like to solicit financial support from all of you good folks to cover campaign costs such as transportation, logistics, food, posters , t-shirts and other incidentals associated with the overall effort. Donors can send their contributions either directly to the party treasurer Mr Ahmadou Sanneh in the Gambia or you can send it to the Account and address below from where it would be promptly remitted to the campaign.
We thank all of you in advance.
Sincerely,
Karamba Touray, UDP-USA communications.
Bank of America Gambia Democracy Movement, State of NewYork, Account # 483033848047"
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maple
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 11:55:51
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We all have the God given right to support whatever political dispensation we like but that should not deter us from acknowledging the truth even if it goes against the political views we stand for. 99% of Gambians are either Muslims or Christians and we all know how both religions emphasis on telling the truth. The truth shall make us free.
I was shock as to how my long held belief that PDOIS is just a talking party when I was proven right by the party and its militants. The party had the master plan of all master plans to unseat Jammeh come 24th November, the so-called Agenda 2011 and guess what this grand master plan was not communicated to other political parties in Gambia for discussion but they keep barking about on the on-line media as if that alone will make any changes.
UDP had a plan of party led coalition and this was communicated to all political parties in the Gambia for discussion and guess what the grand master that was around as according to some PDOIS militant for the past years was put to table here. At least UDP was bold enough to contact other parties about its plans. Thanks to the bold effort of UDP that you at least succeed in having your grand convention, a by-product of UDP. That is why we say size and number matters no matter how you try to make us think otherwise.
Am sick and tired of the myopic way of seeing Gambia problems by PDOIS and I will recommend 'spec-savers' for them so that they can at least start seeing things from different angle and long term too. |
"Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear" Paulo Coelho. |
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maple
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 12:16:29
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"Foroyaa: As it stands it does not appear that the opposition would have only one candidate. Would you accept that you have already failed?
Halifa: The opposition, especially PDOIS is in a catch 22 situation. I do not know whether you know what I mean.
Foroyaa: You have to explain.
Halifa: Many people have acknowledged that PDOIS is mature to manage the affairs of the country but do point at past election results to indicate that it could not command a majority to be able to unseat Jammeh on its own. The very people who clamour for the opposition to unite are also quick to attack and impeach on the integrity of the UDP, NRP, GPDP, PPP and GMC from one angle or another. Hence if PDOIS fails to unite with them it is damned and if it unites with them it is damned. Some people in the Diaspora are even questioning why PDOIS would form a United Front with GPDP and NRP. They have forgotten what happened and have transformed the developments into a conspiracy theory of the smaller parties ganging up against a bigger party. Even though these critics claim to want to unseat Jammeh they give these unsubstantiated rumours that impinge on the credibility of the opposition."
This is really sad. PDOIS is matured to rule the Gambia but all other opposition parties have problems with their integrity and yet still PDOIS is struggling to pass the 5% mark of Gambian electorates. What a dream world Halifa is living in.
How can you succeed in having genuine unity talk if you have such concept about those you plan to unite hence my way or no other way. |
"Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear" Paulo Coelho. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 15:55:00
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quote:
Originally posted by maple
We all have the God given right to support whatever political dispensation we like but that should not deter us from acknowledging the truth even if it goes against the political views we stand for. 99% of Gambians are either Muslims or Christians and we all know how both religions emphasis on telling the truth. The truth shall make us free.
I was shock as to how my long held belief that PDOIS is just a talking party when I was proven right by the party and its militants. The party had the master plan of all master plans to unseat Jammeh come 24th November, the so-called Agenda 2011 and guess what this grand master plan was not communicated to other political parties in Gambia for discussion but they keep barking about on the on-line media as if that alone will make any changes.
UDP had a plan of party led coalition and this was communicated to all political parties in the Gambia for discussion and guess what the grand master that was around as according to some PDOIS militant for the past years was put to table here. At least UDP was bold enough to contact other parties about its plans. Thanks to the bold effort of UDP that you at least succeed in having your grand convention, a by-product of UDP. That is why we say size and number matters no matter how you try to make us think otherwise.
Am sick and tired of the myopic way of seeing Gambia problems by PDOIS and I will recommend 'spec-savers' for them so that they can at least start seeing things from different angle and long term too.
Spec-savers? Oh dear
Thanks for your wonderful critique, Maple.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 16:34:18
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It's all politics, truth, well yes, but tinges with well that's not exactly what I meant !! 
(note the "specsavers" toubab joke  )
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Originally posted by maple
We all have the God given right to support whatever political dispensation we like but that should not deter us from acknowledging the truth even if it goes against the political views we stand for. 99% of Gambians are either Muslims or Christians and we all know how both religions emphasis on telling the truth. The truth shall make us free.
I was shock as to how my long held belief that PDOIS is just a talking party when I was proven right by the party and its militants. The party had the master plan of all master plans to unseat Jammeh come 24th November, the so-called Agenda 2011 and guess what this grand master plan was not communicated to other political parties in Gambia for discussion but they keep barking about on the on-line media as if that alone will make any changes.
UDP had a plan of party led coalition and this was communicated to all political parties in the Gambia for discussion and guess what the grand master that was around as according to some PDOIS militant for the past years was put to table here. At least UDP was bold enough to contact other parties about its plans. Thanks to the bold effort of UDP that you at least succeed in having your grand convention, a by-product of UDP. That is why we say size and number matters no matter how you try to make us think otherwise.
Am sick and tired of the myopic way of seeing Gambia problems by PDOIS and I will recommend 'spec-savers' for them so that they can at least start seeing things from different angle and long term too.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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maple
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 : 13:17:25
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| Today is the D-Day for the grand election/nomination of the grand leader of the grand united front that will unseat the 17 years of the Jammeh administration. I await the the result with high interest. |
"Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear" Paulo Coelho. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 Nov 2011 : 20:30:33
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quote:
Originally posted by maple
We all have the God given right to support whatever political dispensation we like but that should not deter us from acknowledging the truth even if it goes against the political views we stand for. 99% of Gambians are either Muslims or Christians and we all know how both religions emphasis on telling the truth. The truth shall make us free.
I was shock as to how my long held belief that PDOIS is just a talking party when I was proven right by the party and its militants. The party had the master plan of all master plans to unseat Jammeh come 24th November, the so-called Agenda 2011 and guess what this grand master plan was not communicated to other political parties in Gambia for discussion but they keep barking about on the on-line media as if that alone will make any changes.
UDP had a plan of party led coalition and this was communicated to all political parties in the Gambia for discussion and guess what the grand master that was around as according to some PDOIS militant for the past years was put to table here. At least UDP was bold enough to contact other parties about its plans. Thanks to the bold effort of UDP that you at least succeed in having your grand convention, a by-product of UDP. That is why we say size and number matters no matter how you try to make us think otherwise.
Am sick and tired of the myopic way of seeing Gambia problems by PDOIS and I will recommend 'spec-savers' for them so that they can at least start seeing things from different angle and long term too.
1. PLEASE REFER US TO WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ALL PARTIES AND WHERE CAN WE CAN VERIFY UDP PARTY-LED COALITION 
2. CAN YOU SHARE WITH US INVITATION LETTER FROM UDP FOR COLLAPSED OPPOSITION TALKS
3. JUSTIFY AND EXPLAIN IN SIMPLE TERMS HOW THE UDP PARTY-LED IS A UNITED FRONT, COALITION OR ALLIANCE
4. DID YOU MISSED PDOIS SENSITISING FOR OVER THREE YEARS ON ITS AGENDA 2011 AND WRITING TO UDP DURING ITS CONGRESS 2010, REQUESTING WHAT RESOLUTIONS THEY HAVE FOR A UNITED FRONT |
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maple
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 : 20:53:49
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Bro/Sis kobo I have followed your postings and I know you like going around circles which I don't have time and resource for. I will just provide these two coiled from the press release given to the Gambia public and Halifa's interview on foroyaa posted here by your veryslef and momodou after the failed talked initiated by UDP and you can give it whatever interpretation that suits you.
Opposition press releae:
"In his closing remarks, Mr. Ousainou Darboe, the leader of the UDP, the convener of the talks, expressed his deep appreciation for the response given to the invitation of his party to the talks and the time, energy and wisdom displayed by all participants to enable us to conclude the talks in a climate of tolerance, respect and sincerity. He said that even though the proposal his party made for a UDP led Alliance is not accepted he is of the view that it could achieve the objectives stated in the motion for a Convention. He said that it is his wish that the same amicable comportment which characterised the meeting would continue after the conclusion of the talks. He said that his party accepts the outcome in good faith and the historians would record it as an effort by his party to bring the opposition together even if it did not turn out as they wanted."
Foroyaa's interview with Halifa:
"Foroyaa: How do you assess the recently concluded talks for a United Front by the Opposition?
Halifa: The UDP invited NRP, PPP, NADD, GPDP, PDOIS and GMC to the talks to establish a United Front. All parties accepted that a United Front was essential. How to do so was the question. There were four proposals. Eventually they were narrowed down to two. This is a remarkable development. What is reduced to two could be reduced to one if the will is there to do so. At the end of the talks a motion was introduced for everyone to adopt the Convention as the medium to select a flag bearer. The motion went further to propose that the person who falls into second position in the election by delegates would automatically be the running mate of the flag bearer. The rest would be part of a shadow cabinet. It was further proposed that each party would select other competent persons to be part of the shadow cabinet. The motion added that to deal with the issue of majority of votes it was proposed that proportional representation be utilised and the results of past elections such as the 1996, 2001 or 2006 elections be utilised which ever is preferable to those who wish to benefit from proportional representation. It was added that each candidate would propose to the delegates whether he or she wishes to stand on a party or Independent ticket. Even party led or Independent tickets are incorporated in the convention based on approval by the delegates.
The motion indicated that the reform programme that we mutually endorse would serve as an election manifesto. The motion was seconded and endorsed by five parties, namely, GMC, GPDP, NADD NRP and PDOIS. It was opposed by two parties, namely UDP and PPP".
"Foroyaa: Some people have said that convention is meant for people belonging to the same party. What do you say to this?
Halifa: The UDP invited people belonging to different parties to meet and form a United Front and determine how to select a flag bearer. The objective of the meeting went beyond party barriers. What is before us is not a party matter but an alliance matter. The proposal for leaders to come together to endorse a UDP led alliance constitutes a mini convention of leaders. The proposal for parties to select delegates and leave them to elect a flag bearer is a convention of the people. PDOIS supports the convention of the people and not the convention of leaders. It is our sincere belief that the image of the opposition is battered and needs face lifting."
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 : 21:55:17
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This is really sad. PDOIS is matured to rule the Gambia but all other opposition parties have problems with their integrity and yet still PDOIS is struggling to pass the 5% mark of Gambian electorates. What a dream world Halifa is living in.
How can you succeed in having genuine unity talk if you have such concept about those you plan to unite hence my way or no other way.
You did not get Halifa's points for what is extracted below with your comments above? Please refer and digest it properly
Take note;
[quote]Originally posted by maple
"Foroyaa: As it stands it does not appear that the opposition would have only one candidate. Would you accept that you have already failed?
Halifa: The opposition, especially PDOIS is in a catch 22 situation. I do not know whether you know what I mean.
Foroyaa: You have to explain.
Halifa: Many people have acknowledged that PDOIS is mature to manage the affairs of the country but do point at past election results to indicate that it could not command a majority to be able to unseat Jammeh on its own.
1. "PDOIS is in a catch 22 situation" simply because all AGENDA 2011 is about strategic framework to mobilise a united front and that front to choose a single President candidate and for National Assembly to represent them; without any other agenda or plan except that? The deadlock put PDOIS in dilemma; being in critical situation to consider what line of action they are supposed to take (Plan B if any), after talks collapsed; for PDOIS already knew it would be counter-productive if fragmented opposition fought this elections
The very people who clamour for the opposition to unite are also quick to attack and impeach on the integrity of the UDP, NRP, GPDP, PPP and GMC from one angle or another. Hence if PDOIS fails to unite with them it is damned and if it unites with them it is damned. Some people in the Diaspora are even questioning why PDOIS would form a United Front with GPDP and NRP.
Read and digest properly
They have forgotten what happened and have transformed the developments into a conspiracy theory of the smaller parties ganging up against a bigger party. Even though these critics claim to want to unseat Jammeh they give these unsubstantiated rumours that impinge on the credibility of the opposition."
PDOIS realised its challenges but also blaming some including diaspora accused of double standards? Read and digest referring to recent developments and what happened at talks
ALSO THESE SORTS OF COMMENTS BELOW UNDERMINES NATIONAL UNITY, PARTNERSHIP AND SOLIDARITY; AND COMPATRIOTS WITH THIS MENTALITY OF PREJUDICES, DISCRIMINATION, SEGREGATION, ALIENATION, DIVIDE AND RULE POLICIES ARE THE NATIONAL DISGRACE AND ARCHITECTS OF DISUNITY
"PDOIS is struggling to pass the 5% mark of Gambian electorates. What a dream world Halifa is living in."
DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND ANY FAIR SYSTEM (I.E POLITICAL, VOTING OR ELECTION) SHOULD BE RECOGNISING THE IMPORTANT ROLE OF EVERY CITIZEN; ENFRANCHISED TO DECIDE DESTINY OF THE NATION; NOT MARGINALISING THEM IN THE NATIONAL CAKE
""We ask all our citizens to be an integral part of the change they seek by getting involved in whatever capacity suits them. Change is always a difficult task and along the way it is easy to become despondent, fearful, tired, angry, and sometimes be tempted to throw in the towel. But because the cause we have embarked upon is a just one that must be pursued, we must all strive harder to achieve these important goals. We however, can do it only if we come together as one and face the opponent. This cause is bigger than any individual or group of individuals."UDP Leader/Lawyer Ousanou Darboe
SO THE TRUTH AND VICTORY IS ON THESE;
"ONE GAMBIA ONE PEOPLE ONE DESTINY"
UNITY IS THE STATE OF BEING ONE!
ONENESS!
THE ABSENCE OF DIVERSITY!
WHICH TRANSLATES THAT PDOIS IS ON THE PROGRESSIVE FRONT FOR THE COMMON GOOD OF ALL; BUTTRESSED BY UDP LEADER'S NEW YEAR MESSAGE CITED ABOVE |
Edited by - kobo on 03 Nov 2011 22:05:42 |
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kobo
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 : 22:29:16
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Originally posted by maple
Bro/Sis kobo I have followed your postings and I know you like going around circles which I don't have time and resource for. I will just provide these two coiled from the press release given to the Gambia public and Halifa's interview on foroyaa posted here by your veryslef and momodou after the failed talked initiated by UDP and you can give it whatever interpretation that suits you.
Opposition press releae:
"In his closing remarks, Mr. Ousainou Darboe, the leader of the UDP, the convener of the talks, expressed his deep appreciation for the response given to the invitation of his party to the talks and the time, energy and wisdom displayed by all participants to enable us to conclude the talks in a climate of tolerance, respect and sincerity. He said that even though the proposal his party made for a UDP led Alliance is not accepted he is of the view that it could achieve the objectives stated in the motion for a Convention. He said that it is his wish that the same amicable comportment which characterised the meeting would continue after the conclusion of the talks. He said that his party accepts the outcome in good faith and the historians would record it as an effort by his party to bring the opposition together even if it did not turn out as they wanted."
Foroyaa's interview with Halifa:
"Foroyaa: How do you assess the recently concluded talks for a United Front by the Opposition?
Halifa: The UDP invited NRP, PPP, NADD, GPDP, PDOIS and GMC to the talks to establish a United Front. All parties accepted that a United Front was essential. How to do so was the question. There were four proposals. Eventually they were narrowed down to two. This is a remarkable development. What is reduced to two could be reduced to one if the will is there to do so. At the end of the talks a motion was introduced for everyone to adopt the Convention as the medium to select a flag bearer. The motion went further to propose that the person who falls into second position in the election by delegates would automatically be the running mate of the flag bearer. The rest would be part of a shadow cabinet. It was further proposed that each party would select other competent persons to be part of the shadow cabinet. The motion added that to deal with the issue of majority of votes it was proposed that proportional representation be utilised and the results of past elections such as the 1996, 2001 or 2006 elections be utilised which ever is preferable to those who wish to benefit from proportional representation. It was added that each candidate would propose to the delegates whether he or she wishes to stand on a party or Independent ticket. Even party led or Independent tickets are incorporated in the convention based on approval by the delegates.
The motion indicated that the reform programme that we mutually endorse would serve as an election manifesto. The motion was seconded and endorsed by five parties, namely, GMC, GPDP, NADD NRP and PDOIS. It was opposed by two parties, namely UDP and PPP".
"Foroyaa: Some people have said that convention is meant for people belonging to the same party. What do you say to this?
Halifa: The UDP invited people belonging to different parties to meet and form a United Front and determine how to select a flag bearer. The objective of the meeting went beyond party barriers. What is before us is not a party matter but an alliance matter. The proposal for leaders to come together to endorse a UDP led alliance constitutes a mini convention of leaders. The proposal for parties to select delegates and leave them to elect a flag bearer is a convention of the people. PDOIS supports the convention of the people and not the convention of leaders. It is our sincere belief that the image of the opposition is battered and needs face lifting."
Hope you are happy?
FOR YOUR INFORMATION I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PROSPECT OF A UNITED FRONT, COALITION OR ALLIANCE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA WITH UDP PARTY-LED PROPOSALS
YOU HAVE HEARD WHAT TRANSPIRED; WITH EACH OF THEM GIVEN TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN OR OWN SIDE OF THE TALKS? PLEASE FOCUS ON THESE STATEMENTS TO JUSTIFY AND EXPLAIN IN SIMPLE TERMS HOW THE UDP PARTY-LED IS A UNITED FRONT, COALITION OR ALLIANCE PROPOSAL?
CONSTRUCT THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE COMMON POLITICAL PLATFORM, INSTRUMENTS TO TRANSFORM UDP INTO AN ALLIANCE, COALITION OR UNITED FRONT UNDER ITS PARTY-LED PROPOSAL OR AGENDA
PLEASE TAKE NOTE THAT PDOIS CONVENTION/PRIMARY PROPOSAL ADDRESSED SELECTION OF FLAG-BEARER; SEEKING CONSENSUS AND ENDORSEMENT OF THE PRESIDENT CANDIDATE TO LEAD A UNITED FRONT; LIKEWISE ALTERNATIVE UDP PUT FORWARD UDP PARTY-LED UNCOMPROMISINGLY DEMANDING LEADERSHIP THROUGH DOMINANCE IN PREVIOUS ELECTIONS? IF THERE WAS A FINAL SETTLEMENT ON LEADERSHIP; AND IT WAS RESOLVED BY LEADERS ENDORSING UDP LEADER UNANIMOUSLY UNDER ITS UDP PARTY-LED PROPOSALS; HOW WILL UDP PARTY-LED SPONTANEOUSLY OR AUTOMATICALLY BE AN ALLIANCE, COALITION AND UNITED FRONT |
Edited by - kobo on 03 Nov 2011 23:06:01 |
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maple
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 : 23:35:30
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| Congrats to the united front as I've learned that Hamat Bah has been elected to lead them to the 24th November election. I hope and pray that Darboe will keep to his word and still engage them in discussing for an alliance/coalition of the united front and the UDP, PPP and GMC. |
"Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear" Paulo Coelho. |
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