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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2011 : 17:12:24
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turk, you are very right, prioritization is very important even in an individual personal life, I have no problem with that.(Start a new topic)
My worry is how you use the statistics of "Infant mortality" to argue the acceptance of “death due to political oppression". You are smarter. |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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toubab1020

12312 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2011 : 18:50:32
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"You are smarter." (Janko to turk) we all know that Janko, BUT it would be great if that smartness was channelled in a way that did not involve confusion. i.e. it was "simple" to understand and postings were made in plain English,even though we have been lead to believe turk comes from Turkey and English is not his first language.
quote: Originally posted by Janko
turk, My worry is how you use the statistics of "Infant mortality" to argue the acceptance of “death due to political oppression". You are smarter.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 24 Jul 2011 18:52:49 |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2011 : 20:18:06
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quote: Originally posted by Janko
turk, you are very right, prioritization is very important even in an individual personal life, I have no problem with that.(Start a new topic)
My worry is how you use the statistics of "Infant mortality" to argue the acceptance of “death due to political oppression". You are smarter.
Janko
First of all, I have never acceptance death due to political oppression. It is important. I don't know where it came from. And using statistics to prioritize is very smart.
If political oppression is causing 2-3 death per year while infant mortality is causing 500. It is smart to focus on the issue that has impact 200 times. Especially, child mortality is impacting more than the people who were impacted by political rights. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2011 : 20:20:36
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Touby
What is your opinion? So far, you did not say anything other than posts about me. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo

United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
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toubab1020

12312 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 00:26:03
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I know turk its very annoying isn't it ? I have no opinion,I have insufficient knowlege to take part,therefore I left the response to my second favorite Gambian, Janko 
quote: Originally posted by turk
Touby
What is your opinion? So far, you did not say anything other than posts about me.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 01:40:37
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toubab, turk knows very well that his principle of prioritization is not applicable to death, not in this case, hence one death is not more or less preferable than the other. (the right to Life)
If the rate of "Infant mortality" drops and at the same time the rate of “death due to political oppression" increases then what do we gain from prioritization in this case.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 25 Jul 2011 01:44:02 |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 07:47:39
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Janko
I have a question for you to answer A or B. What is more priority to you. The deaths due to low mortality rate (A) or the death due to political human rights violations (B)? Which one would you focus first?
Who are victim of political violations? How many people? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 10:27:17
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quote: Originally posted by turk
Janko
I have a question for you to answer A or B. What is more priority to you. The deaths due to low mortality rate (A) or the death due to political human rights violations (B)? Which one would you focus first? Who are victim of political violations? How many people?
Both, because A+B are equal priorities |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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toubab1020

12312 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 11:10:53
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You understand my position now turk ?  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 25 Jul 2011 11:12:36 |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 13:41:11
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quote: Both, because A+B are equal priorities
Agreed on disagreement. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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bread man

300 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 14:05:26
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[quote]Originally posted by kobo [br][quote]Originally posted by dembis
hello mr moe ! You are the only educated gambian i know that is defending yahya jammeh. Thats good because we cannot all be a opposition in this forum, then it would be boring.Can u please answer this two question i will you.
With your moral consent, for how long do you think a sitting president can stay in power ? term limit? when can you change your mind about yahya jammeh , exp what would yahya do to make you feel that he has gone too far ?
I will answer for Moe here since he may not as yet have time to even though am not as educated as Moe is. Question 1: Jammeh should leave at the end of the next term as logic would dictate. Question 2: No I do not think his of curing aids has any relevance to his political mastery but I also believe that he should give chance to science to evaluate the benifits his cure claims to have. So, do I believe he cures aids? I don´t know but am sceptical. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
Edited by - bread man on 25 Jul 2011 14:06:39 |
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toubab1020

12312 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 15:35:06
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Confusing again turk,to make it "simple", YES or OK Or NO would have been understandable for me  
quote: Originally posted by turk
quote: Both, because A+B are equal priorities
Agreed on disagreement.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Kitabul Arerr

Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 16:00:10
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quote: Originally posted by bread man
[quote]Originally posted by kobo [br][quote]Originally posted by dembis
hello mr moe ! You are the only educated gambian i know that is defending yahya jammeh. Thats good because we cannot all be a opposition in this forum, then it would be boring.Can u please answer this two question i will you.
With your moral consent, for how long do you think a sitting president can stay in power ? term limit? when can you change your mind about yahya jammeh , exp what would yahya do to make you feel that he has gone too far ?
I will answer for Moe here since he may not as yet have time to even though am not as educated as Moe is. Question 1: Jammeh should leave at the end of the next term as logic would dictate. Question 2: No I do not think his of curing aids has any relevance to his political mastery but I also believe that he should give chance to science to evaluate the benifits his cure claims to have. So, do I believe he cures aids? I don´t know but am sceptical.
bread man, I'll answer for Moe too, My Moe.
Answer2Q1: My boss, eventhough advocated presidential time limits, he clandestinely "amended", to suit his own diabolical interests, the constitution, palling with his boys & girls to root with him for perpetual rule through dubious elections. The fools succumbed. Did HE lie? Yes! FYI bread man, your ration for Kanilai bread is guaranteed, as long as HE wins elections 4ever. Answer2Q2: You fools will always be mesmerized by my master's devine knowledge. It's exclusive, passed from family to family. It can't be shared, like HE shares biscuits with you dumb laymen.
For My Moe, yours sincerely, Kitab-Ul-Arerr.......................................................................L L!
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Moe

USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2011 : 18:03:16
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Kitabul arrer , Naa bro my opinions on the Presidential term limit kinda varies depending on the State affairs, security and as you know Gambian vultures lurking around waiting for something to succumb. As of Present I know it is imperative that it is not implemented and that the constitution is not amended till 2016 after Jammehs first fair term. Look America did not introduce the Presidential term limit until after President Rosevelt's four term presidency and repealing it is on the agenda daily as of present.
I have to admit that the Gambian Constitution needs total reform and amendments but it should be done at the precise time and cautiously, None of the Stakeholders in the political arena right now have any kind of respect for the Fundamental Human rights of the Gambian or respect for the Basic inalienable rights of the CITIZEN, If that were the case Femi Peters would not have been jailed or a T shirt coupist won't be the story of the day, We as Gambians need to identify and decided if at any time the laws in place are against the rights of the citizens and be able to devoid all these laws and create laws that are more prudent.
The fact is eventually they will be devoid, so whoever chooses to make history will reflect the positive changes in reference to political maturity and growth. Jammeh should eventually relinquish power and as you already know I would be the first to advocate for a presidential term limit if the situation was just right, Even America is considering repealing the Two term limits because to a certain extent it is undemocratic and this brings Yahya Jammeh to play, If the people decide that Jammeh is their Man and decide to vote for him overwhelmingly it would be undemocratic to refuse them that right or refuse Mr Jammeh his rights, A presidential term limit in Gambia now will hamper the provisions of vision 2020 and effectively deny the choice voters have made of coming to practical fruition and this is a valid arguement why Jammeh should be allowed to stay till 2018. Look Jammeh is embarked on total reform of society as a whole more like a war on poverty and illiteracy, development, Ignorance, Lazziness and I mean the list goes on, Of course the 1994 Coup was a revolution unless you're just in denial and this solidifies my reason of an extended presidency for Jammeh.
President Jammeh knew what the PPP did and how they overstayed and never planned on relinquishing power due to the nature of the political landscape, He planned on changing this fact no doubt in my mind but he was dealt a new hand with new cards. First of all Americans rejected Monarchy and croynism and thus the reason for the 22nd amendment, We rejected all the monarchial tendencies and hated the Brits for using Americans as they did like the rest of the world. Gambians never rejected Monarchial rule and the First Referendum failed and the second barely made it so different foundations, wishes and aspirations.
No doubt in my mind Jammeh must prepare for an exit plan come 2016 and this is only due to the fact that Some policies require long term leadership to ensure their success, and the APRC is embarked on a change that was required and requested by the PEOPLE, most don't like the slow pace but facts are Jammeh'e Policies are born out of Jawara's policies.
Of course he is curing something and small dembis should go see him for his erectile dysfunction and so should you Touby ............................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 25 Jul 2011 18:20:48 |
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