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 Posted - 14 May 2011 : 11:49:38
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Poll Question:
Do you think the recent revelation of Lawyer Darboe's arrears to the KMC spanning several years to have political and character implications?
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| A) Yes it does |
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16 votes |
| B) NO it doesn't |
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6 votes |
| C) Don't know |
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Total Votes: 22 counted »» |
Last Vote:
31 May 2011 03:59:20 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 15:02:20
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So the Bantaba Alkalo now trusted and relies on APRC propaganda without any fact checking whatsoever. That is ok for it merely put him in the same camp as the aprc but hang on a minute; is D6,000 what you call 'tax arrears spanning several years' ? Can u tell us how many properties are involved? Is it illegal to be in tax arrears in The Gambia and if so why didn't the authorities prosecute Mr. Darboe?
I think if people decides to become frivolous thinking they can smear good individuals in the process, they should be allowed to have their day in the sand. I am alright with that.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 15:40:07
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| Nyarikangbanna, your observation is valid. If it takes 6 (six) years of rate arrears dragging behind a leading opposition party leader, how many other unpaid sums do we have outside the bag? I would be curious to have this claim proven right and take it up at the other level of negligence on the side of a whole municipality not doing the job right. This matter goes beyond Darbo. Failure on the part of KMC not doing the job right is more serious than Ousainou Darbo not paying his rates. It is a hard knock on the face of KMC authorities. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 15:40:46
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Hang on a mo Nyarikangbanna ,do you seriously think that KMC would reveal the tax arrears of anybody to those other that the administration ? simple answer of course not,The man is a politician so any hint of alleged harmful rumour will have an impact on political thinking.
"Can u tell us how many properties are involved?" of course not, even KMC has no idea,even if KMC knew they wouldnt reveal that information,Why ? because it would show that they are owned millions of Ds by thousands of people.  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 29 May 2011 15:45:13 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 17:06:53
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Toubab, I think what reasonable people have said to themselves was that;
1. How can it be just D6000.00 if it spanned six years involving more that one property and why telling us now?
2. If he was doing something illegal why didn't you take him to court?
3. If he's not done anything illegal i.e if he owes any arrears, what is the fuss?
From the above, they all, except the Bantaba Alkalo concluded; ''aah it is politics time and so is the APRC smearing game''.
No wonder you saw no response from Mr. Darboe or any of his surrogates for we know what it is; typical APRC mombo jombo.
It is unfortunate that our dear alkalo is now giving credence to APRC propaganda at the expense of opposition unity. I don't care what he does anyway for he has now put himself into the tyrant's camp.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 29 May 2011 17:18:43 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 18:26:07
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What UDP leader should have said:
I did not pay the tax which is the minimum responsibility of a citizen duty. I am just old. I don't remember it. Sorry. It is because I want to be president, that does not mean I should be a role model for other people. Also, many people do not pay tax. What is the fuss I did not pay the tax. Why pick on me? What did you not pick on hundreds of other Gambians who did not pay the tax, but why pick on me.
Besides, that is not fair. I can call President 'tyrant', 'drug dealer', 'murderer', he did more crime, bigger crime. This is just very small crime. It is just 6000 dalasi. It should be ignored. Not a big deal. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 18:34:04
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Its all politics and if Mr Darbo chose not to respond to the rumours,then HE AS A POLITICIAN is entitled to do that,BUT having made that choice he cannot then moan about the RUMOUR because he has taken NO STEPS to dispel the RUMOUR,therefore he must live by the decision he made.How much better it would have been if he had said, something along the lines of politico speak " I am pleased that this has been brought to my attention,as you can imagine I have been very busy with other important matters concerning the election,I will deal with my oversight as soon as I can" OR IF THE RUMOUR IS TOTALLY UNFOUNDED produce his receipts from the KMC. VERY SIMPLE.
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Toubab, I think what reasonable people have said to themselves was that;
1. How can it be just D6000.00 if it spanned six years involving more that one property and why telling us now?
2. If he was doing something illegal why didn't you take him to court?
3. If he's not done anything illegal i.e if he owes any arrears, what is the fuss?
From the above, they all, except the Bantaba Alkalo concluded; ''aah it is politics time and so is the APRC smearing game''.
No wonder you saw no response from Mr. Darboe or any of his surrogates for we know what it is; typical APRC mombo jombo.
It is unfortunate that our dear alkalo is now giving credence to APRC propaganda at the expense of opposition unity. I don't care what he does anyway for he has now put himself into the tyrant's camp.
Thanks
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 29 May 2011 18:36:43 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 19:36:55
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I hope nyari enlighten us on following.
Did Darboe forget the payment due to his old aged?
Darboe did not pay it purposely because he thinks KMC is using tax money for election campaign.
Darboe did not pay because he can't afford!
Did Darboe cheat the Government?
Did bantaba(Mamadou) co-operate with APRC against Darboe?
What is the fuss, what if Darboe did not pay this, 6000 ain't too much? What is too much?
How does this anything to do with opposition unity? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 22:20:53
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I look forward with the utmost interest to any posted reply to that you have written here turk 
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Originally posted by turk
I hope nyari enlighten us on following.
Did Darboe forget the payment due to his old aged?
Darboe did not pay it purposely because he thinks KMC is using tax money for election campaign.
Darboe did not pay because he can't afford!
Did Darboe cheat the Government?
Did bantaba(Mamadou) co-operate with APRC against Darboe?
What is the fuss, what if Darboe did not pay this, 6000 ain't too much? What is too much?
How does this anything to do with opposition unity?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 29 May 2011 22:21:49 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 30 May 2011 : 02:13:44
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Touby
I am not sure about the reply I got! But based on what I know, here is what I say.
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3. If he's not done anything illegal i.e if he owes any arrears, what is the fuss?
What nyari is saying that, 'what is big deal of not paying tax'. That is true, it may not be crime, but paying tax is the minimum duty/responsibility of citizens of any Nation. And Darboe has failed for this basic minimum citizenship responsibility. So I question his qualifications to lead the nation. He is not ordinary citizen. He wants to be the president. He needs to be a role model. He needs to set an example. And according to our executive official (nyari), not paying tax is OK!!! And this nyari has eye on future ministry in the next government. I just laugh. I guess they did not teach him civic duty in his high school political class.
Let me repeat the questions again.
What is the fuss! What if Darboe did not pay 6000 dalasi which is not too much? So what is too much? Should 'not paying tax' be tolerated? Oh, maybe this is UDP's new election promise.
Our citizens, when UDP is elected, you don't have to pay tax like your president did not have to. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 30 May 2011 05:07:58 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2011 : 09:03:08
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quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Its all politics and if Mr Darbo chose not to respond to the rumours,then HE AS A POLITICIAN is entitled to do that,BUT having made that choice he cannot then moan about the RUMOUR because he has taken NO STEPS to dispel the RUMOUR,therefore he must live by the decision he made.How much better it would have been if he had said, something along the lines of politico speak " I am pleased that this has been brought to my attention,as you can imagine I have been very busy with other important matters concerning the election,I will deal with my oversight as soon as I can" OR IF THE RUMOUR IS TOTALLY UNFOUNDED produce his receipts from the KMC. VERY SIMPLE.
quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Toubab, I think what reasonable people have said to themselves was that;
1. How can it be just D6000.00 if it spanned six years involving more that one property and why telling us now?
2. If he was doing something illegal why didn't you take him to court?
3. If he's not done anything illegal i.e if he owes any arrears, what is the fuss?
From the above, they all, except the Bantaba Alkalo concluded; ''aah it is politics time and so is the APRC smearing game''.
No wonder you saw no response from Mr. Darboe or any of his surrogates for we know what it is; typical APRC mombo jombo.
It is unfortunate that our dear alkalo is now giving credence to APRC propaganda at the expense of opposition unity. I don't care what he does anyway for he has now put himself into the tyrant's camp.
Thanks
Toubab, it would have been worth responding to if the rumour had emanated from a different corner but not the APRC for we know what they are like. Nobody is moaning about anything for there is nothing to moan about and certainly Mr. Darboe has not moaned about anything.
My surprise is our alkalo who has been doing a good job exposing the lies of the APRC here have now chosen to give credence to a silly aprc propaganda at the expense of opposition unity. That is the only reason why i responded to this column.
We know what the law says on 'not paying your tax' and so does the Gambian people and it is the APRC that is in the position to enforce the law as a government.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2011 : 11:36:11
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Revelations from DAILY OBSERVER REPORT were that;
1. "The most interesting bit of it all is that Mr Darboe has no moral authority to accuse the KMC of misusing rates allegedly paid by him and other yard owners because he happens to be one of those who fail to pay their rates. The last time Mr Darboe settled his rates was precisely on 25th August 2006 and by all indications, this was only done to clear the way for his nomination as presidential candidate for his party. To date, he owes the KMC an outstanding arrears of D6,314.16, excluding the current year."
2. "UDP Leader Ousainou Darboe’s incessant tirades against the KMC administration just because we exposed him for owing five years tax arrears tantamount to an outright vilification of issues and a calculated shift from the reality. We do appreciate the fact that he has now cleared his arrears even though he seemed to have been compelled by our publicity but to say that he had not paid his rates simply because he had not been receiving demand notes to that effect is an incongruent argument because Uncle Ousainou like any other property owner knows he is obliged to pay annual rates to the Council. Many high-profile residents like him do not even wait for us to send them demand notes."
3. "At the end of the day, the KMC is headed by a political leadership and to suggest that no political activity will take place at the Council will be self-deception. What is important is that those political maters are handled by politicians, not we the administrators. I think what Uncle Ousainou should do is to use his legal background and political platform to sensitize the public about the essence of paying rates to Councils. As a respectable resident, he should be able to complement our efforts in trying to develop the municipality, not to set the agenda for any unnecessary public debate." |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 30 May 2011 : 12:14:03
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I understand all your points,I would however STRONGLY disagree with
"My surprise is our alkalo who has been doing a good job exposing the lies of the APRC here have now chosen to give credence to a silly aprc propaganda at the expense of opposition unity. That is the only reason why i responded to this column."
Bantaba in Cyberspace is a place where anything can be discussed and posted,in my opinion it is unfortunate that it has become a place inhabited by politicos ,others have been disappointed with this and left,having said that the "Alkalo of Bantaba in Cyberspace" has always been open minded and fair giving space to all sides of the Gambian political spectrum who wished to express their views and promote one party or another party or one candidate over another, because he chose to poll members on this subject should not expose him to any form of critism from those who support such a party or candidate,this is a free place and should remain so. And of course it is part of Momodou's Home Page not the National Assembly or House of Representives.
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Toubab, it would have been worth responding to if the rumour had emanated from a different corner but not the APRC for we know what they are like. Nobody is moaning about anything for there is nothing to moan about and certainly Mr. Darboe has not moaned about anything.
My surprise is our alkalo who has been doing a good job exposing the lies of the APRC here have now chosen to give credence to a silly aprc propaganda at the expense of opposition unity. That is the only reason why i responded to this column.
We know what the law says on 'not paying your tax' and so does the Gambian people and it is the APRC that is in the position to enforce the law as a government.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 May 2011 : 12:17:58
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Toubab, I can see you are stretching yourself a bit on this issue, which is rather unfortunate, but let me give you a clue and I hope this will make you feel chilled-out.
Under our electoral system, one is only able to stand as a candidate in any given election if your tax records are up to date. That is, you must have paid all your tax to date if you are to be eligible to stand as a candidate. It is also a legal duty on the Independent Electoral Commission to ensure that no one is presented to the people as a candidate unless he/she has his/her tax records up to date. That is why candidates do accompany their tax records to the IEC on nomination day for inspection and verification. Also, other parties and individuals can challenge the candidature of a particular person on the basis that his/her tax records are not up to date.
It is still less than 5yrs since Darboe last ran for the office of the President, the highest office on the land. The question you now need to ask yourself is this; If he is currently owing some tax arrears that spanned for 6yrs as alleged by APRC’s Chief Propagandist, Yankuba Colley, how the hell was he able to contest the last presidential election then? This is where the crunchy nuts are.
You got my last posting on this issue there, toubab.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 30 May 2011 : 12:25:21
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Thanks for that I like your phrase "I can see you are stretching yourself a bit on this issue, which is rather unfortunate" quite true I do not like politics and do not like discussing topics that I have limited knowledge of,having said that I know about the tax position for candidates,and understand that my thrust in this discussion has been about rumours damaging political credibility,this happens for many other reasons not only tax (I won't list reasons relating to politicians credability,you read the papers  )The fact that this was NOT DEALT with is the reason why "Lawyer Darboe's" credability has been "tarnished" if you don't like the strong word "damaged."
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 30 May 2011 12:26:37 |
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kobo
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Posted - 30 May 2011 : 12:32:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
It is still less than 5yrs since Darboe last ran for the office of the President, the highest office on the land. The question you now need to ask yourself is this; If he is currently owing some tax arrears that spanned for 6yrs as alleged by APRC’s Chief Propagandist, Yankuba Colley, how the hell was he able to contest the last presidential election then? This is where the crunchy nuts are.
Thanks
KMC PRESS RELEASE; "UDP Leader Ousainou Darboe’s incessant tirades against the KMC administration just because we exposed him for owing five years tax arrears tantamount to an outright vilification of issues and a calculated shift from the reality. We do appreciate the fact that he has now cleared his arrears even though he seemed to have been compelled by our publicity but to say that he had not paid his rates simply because he had not been receiving demand notes to that effect is an incongruent argument because Uncle Ousainou like any other property owner knows he is obliged to pay annual rates to the Council. Many high-profile residents like him do not even wait for us to send them demand notes."" |
Edited by - kobo on 30 May 2011 12:33:31 |
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