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dbaldeh
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 Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 10:22:55
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Originally posted by turk
Where is this nyari dude? Did he run out of non-sense?
Turk, I think you should give him a break now. He has heed to our advice and is now focusing on helping the UDP win the elections.
Sometimes, one needs to watch what you asked for... what was normal common sense political conversation few years ago on forming a coalition is not there anymore. Gambians are holding every member of the opposition accountable for failing to convince their side to heed to the reality on the ground.
Also actually Daffeh got admonished by the UDP UK. He was apparently speaking for himself instead of the UDP UK. Cool heads of Mr. Mass and the likes of Suntou cleared the air!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 13:13:46
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Wise words dbaldeh, I hope that they are not misplaced,learning ways to become effective can take some time.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 14:06:02
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HOPE WE WILL BECAME "SENSIBLE" IF "COMMON SENSE" DOESN'T PREVAIL 
NOTE:-
1 PRIDE "(n.)a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc."
2. WRATH "(n.)strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire."
FOR MORE REFER The Seven Deadly Sins |
Edited by - kobo on 08 Apr 2011 14:06:52 |
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toubab1020
12309 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 14:21:40
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Thanks KOBO,for me an on topic link I like it , but maybe for others,even if they fail to respond maybe they don't like the link at all !  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 14:41:38
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| EGOS OVERRULED ANY LOGICAL SOUND ARGUMENTS FOR PROBLEM SOLVING, CONFLICT RESOLUTIONS, PROPOSALS, STRATEGIES, TACTICS AND REASONABLENESS |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 02:21:03
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Kobo, Nyari ain't got ur time and yes he is my cyber Dawg and my cyber boy are you jealous?, I will drop my masterpiece to explain the UDP position which is absolutely satisfactory. I am not ignoring ur questions either, will give you the 411 tomorrow too in reference to the Mansa ship..........................................Peacequote:
[i]Originally posted by kobo[
UPDATE FROM Maafanta.com Musa Jeng continues on STGDP's role under http://www.maafanta.com/MusaJengSTGDPContinuation2.html
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 02:33:51
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MOE DEAL AND AWAITING ANY INTERESTING MASTERPIECE ON "UDP POSITION" TOMORROW
HOWEVER RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPICS Hamat Bah says kingship issue a non-starter AND INCLUDING Hamah Bah to contest 2011 presidential elections does not lend credence to Nyari's posture and arguments REFER under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10733
ALSO WHAT EXISTED IN BRITISH POLITICS AND PRECEDENCE CANNOT SUPPORT NYARI'S CLAIM OF INTERNATIONAL NORM I WILL ELABORATE LATER
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 10:56:52
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NOW I WOULD SERIUOSLY REVIEW NYARI'S VERBATIM (IN GUISE OF SS DAFFEH, SECRETARY GENERAL UDP-UK); TO POINT OUT CERTAIN SHORTCOMINGS
SS DAFFEH/NYARI STARTED WITH;"Sometime ago, in December 2010, Mr. Musa Jeng of the U.S-based Save The Gambia Democracy Project [STGDP] presented in the media a proposal he dubbed ‘‘The Compromise’’ in which he articulated how an agreement could be reached to break the stalemate that has taken grip of the coalition negotiations between the main opposition United Democratic Party [UDP] and a purported representative of PDOIS , with the former joining NADD, a political entity he described as belonging to all opposition parties, and assume leadership of it. "
FATAL ERROR NO 1. WHAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS DECEPTIVE, MALICIOUS, OPINIONATED AND DISINGENOUS THEREFORE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FAIR TO STATE; "between the main opposition UDP and" PDOIS PERIOD; TO RULE OUT FULL SENTENCE IN RED ABOVE
ON THAT NOTE ABOVE READERS CAN REFER TO
http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/12/21/nadd-a-realistic-compromise-for-a-successful-opposition-alliance.html
"He posited this as the only realistic option to break the stalemate and went on to justify his call on the basis that due to their experience in 2006 and the aftermath, PDOIS will never be willing to go along with what the conventional wisdom dictates and become part of a UDP led coalition. He, however, did not state what this experience was and why UDP should be held responsible for it."
THE ABOVE STATEMENTS/PARAGRAPH ARE FURTHER MISREPRESENTATIONS HE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A "STALEMATE" BUT DID NOT "POSITED" AS CONSTRUED (BY NYARI) FROM THESE (BY MUSA JENG);
"As an insider, I cannot see a scenario where PDOIS will ever come and be part of a UDP led coalition. After their experience in 2006 and the aftermath, it will be very difficult for PDOIS to just go along with what most people think should be considered if we are to come up with united front to confront tyranny. On the other hand, I cannot see a scenario where UDP will go along with a primary scenario whereby an Independent person will be elected to lead a united coalition, and expect the entire UDP party to throw their support."
THEN ACCORDING TO NYARI; "As a result of two recent online radio talk shows in which its chairman, Mr. Banka Manneh, participated, we now understand Mr. Jeng’s proposal to be in total convergence with the position of the Save The Gambia Democracy Project [STGDP]."
MR. JENG INTERVENED TO SHARE HIS EXPERIENCES AND EXPRESSED HIS PERSONAL VIEWS ONLY. ALSO HE DOUBLE UP AS FORMER CHAIRMAN AND A MEMBER OF STGDP. WE APPRECIATE EFFORTS OF MR. BANKA MANNEH CURRENT CHAIRMAN HAS SET THE RECORDS STRAIGHT AND CLARIFY STGDP POSITION SUPPORTING A UNITED FRONT, COALITION AND TEAMWORK AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC; WHICH COMPLEMENTS MR. JENG'S MEDIATION EFFORTS
THEN NYARI CONTINUES; "First of all, the STGDP should be reminded that this process like all coalition negotiations requires an honest approach that puts national interest above all others including ideologies, personal egos and differences. This can only be done if all stakeholders including PDOIS accept the universally practiced conventions and standards of coalition building to be the unfettered guiding principles of negotiations. This requires that the biggest party be adopted as a vanguard and for all other parties and political entities to throw their weight behind."
I WONDER WHETHER ABOVE IS THE RIGHT APPROACH TO TACTICALLY ENGAGE "ALL STAKEHOLDERS" ON COALITION BUILDING OR REMIND THEM OF "NATIONAL INTEREST" HOW CAN YOU CLAIM THAT AS REPEATED; First of all, the STGDP should be reminded that this process like all coalition negotiations requires an honest approach that puts national interest above all others including ideologies, personal egos and differences."; ONLY TO CONTRADICT YOURSELF BY DECLARING UDP INTENTIONS, PRIVILEGES AND CONDITIONS TO BE ACCEPTED; AS DICTATED ABOVE AND REPEATED HERE AGAIN; This can only be done if all stakeholders including PDOIS accept the universally practiced conventions and standards of coalition building to be the unfettered guiding principles of negotiations. This requires that the biggest party be adopted as a vanguard and for all other parties and political entities to throw their weight behind."
HOPE THE CONTRADICTIONS ARE APPARENT ABOVE IN MY OPINION CONFLICT RESOLUTIONS ESPECIALLY POLITICAL CRISES INVOLVES; SINCERE OPEN DIALOGUE, TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION, PROPER ENGAGEMENT, DISCUSSIONS, RESOLVING PROPOSALS, NEGOTIATIONS, IDEAS, MUTUALLY SEEKING ALTERNATIVES, COMMON GROUD, CONSENSUS AND AGREEMENT; AMONGST OTHERS MY FRIEND YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SET THE COMMON GROUND OR PLATFORM FOR "NEGOTIATION" BUT WILDLY DICTATING CONDITIONS AND ACCUSING OTHERS AS FAILING ON "NATIONAL INTEREST" WHAT MUSA JENG PROPOSED READ AS; "What is the realistic compromise?
"The only realistic option is to go back to the NADD formula, this is one entity that was created as a neutral entity and basically belongs to all the opposition parties, and can be used to launch a campaign against Jammeh. Maybe, the compromise is to bring back the memorandum of understanding and make the necessary amendments that will accommodate the UDP principal concern, that the leadership of any alliance should be the party with the largest support base. Secondly, the leadership of the alliance will be the party leaders and the entire campaign and government after the election will be led by these leaders. This will be seen as a government of national unity, a transitional government for a period of five years, and none of the leaders in the government of national unity will qualify to run for the presidency in 2016. Their job during this transitional phase is to focus on building the institution of democracy, shy away by party politics, also on the building blocks of the Gambian economy and restoring our country in the international arena.
It is recommended that a summit be convened right away to table the NADD memorandum with the relevant amendments. Time is of essence and I am hoping for the STGDP to adopt this formula as a last ditch effort to find the compromise and give ourselves the opportunity to take our country back and give the next generation the opportunity to build a better Gambia for all. It is recommended to organize a summit immediately, preferably in the USA and invite the key leaders to come and be ready to make the final deal and launch the campaign to remove Jammeh in 2011."
THEREFORE MR. JENG ONLY RECOMMENDS ADOPTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF NADD FORMULA TO NEUTRALISE THE IMPASSE
TO BE CONTINUED
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 19:13:25
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Once we realize that the interest of Gambia is paramount and that no tribe, no selfish interest, no ambition should be above the interest of our nation we will see changes.
I am talking to you; look in the mirror and ask your self which faction do I belong to and why.
If once political affiliation is primarily driven by to tribal association, selfish interest, or because you do not want to see some one in office then it is high time to change.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 19:57:36
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| As long as the opposition is suspicious of each other and attributing less nice motives to each other there will never be unity in this elections too, no matter what.... |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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toubab1020
12309 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 20:54:02
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Well done,you have found the light switch in the dark and turned it on,now we wait and see if the flow of electricity comes from elsewhere to make the light shine or...............?
("I am talking to you; look in the mirror and ask your self which faction do I belong to and why." Errrrrrr.........not me I am an Englishman,but I know what you mean)
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Originally posted by terangba
Once we realize that the interest of Gambia is paramount and that no tribe, no selfish interest, no ambition should be above the interest of our nation we will see changes.
I am talking to you; look in the mirror and ask your self which faction do I belong to and why.
If once political affiliation is primarily driven by to tribal association, selfish interest, or because you do not want to see some one in office then it is high time to change.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 10:41:57
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Koto Momodou, the issue at hand is who gets to be crowned; by choosing a single person to lead some fear a return to pre and early post colonial era politics.
Kobo has challenged me indirectly for a suggestion and I will attempt to take a swing: mind you this soldier is high on lack of sleep. Lol
I think the key to success is what I coin the Missouri Merit plan: I.E Give UDP the ability to present three acceptable independent candidates to a united opposition. The candidates should be vetted by all participating coalition parties; each party should be given five votes. These voters will be high ranking party members/ (Electoral College). Each party with the exception of UDP will vote to select a candidate from the three. All Participating parties should vote after vetting all candidates.
By doing so the parties will select who they think is mostly likely aligned with their line of thinking.
The parties should ensure there are clauses in the memorandum of understanding that will prevent the chosen candidate from seeking re-election or swing the next election to UDP.
Please provide suggestion constructive criticisms and lets endeavor to either improve on my humble suggestion or provide alternate suggestions, please do not slam the idea and not provide alternative. The rule of the game is to improve, or provide alternate suggestions.
Lets Go!
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 11:00:44
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Terangba THE ISSUES ARE MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT?
PDOIS DOES NOT WANT TO LEAD AND ALL DOORS ARE OPEN FOR LAWYER DARBOE TO LEAD (SINCE 2006 UNDER NADD); IF THERE IS A PROPERLY ESTABLISHED COALITION THROUGH DIALOGUE AND NEGOTIATIONS BY ALL STAKEHOLDERS & PARTICIPATING OPPOSITION PARTIES INTERESTED IN COALITION OR A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT LEADERSHIP OR FLAG BEARER IS ADDRESSED IN BOTH NADD M.O.U AND PDOIS AGENDA 2011 WILL CLARIFY BY THE TIME I FINISH WITH THIS TOPIC |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 14:24:06
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Oh dear... its still dark, no change then
"Lets Go!" Where ?
quote:
Originally posted by terangba
Koto Momodou, the issue at hand is who gets to be crowned; by choosing a single person to lead some fear a return to pre and early post colonial era politics.
Kobo has challenged me indirectly for a suggestion and I will attempt to take a swing: mind you this soldier is high on lack of sleep. Lol
I think the key to success is what I coin the Missouri Merit plan: I.E Give UDP the ability to present three acceptable independent candidates to a united opposition. The candidates should be vetted by all participating coalition parties; each party should be given five votes. These voters will be high ranking party members/ (Electoral College). Each party with the exception of UDP will vote to select a candidate from the three. All Participating parties should vote after vetting all candidates.
By doing so the parties will select who they think is mostly likely aligned with their line of thinking.
The parties should ensure there are clauses in the memorandum of understanding that will prevent the chosen candidate from seeking re-election or swing the next election to UDP.
Please provide suggestion constructive criticisms and lets endeavor to either improve on my humble suggestion or provide alternate suggestions, please do not slam the idea and not provide alternative. The rule of the game is to improve, or provide alternate suggestions.
Lets Go!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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