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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 12:04:18
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Originally posted by terangba
"I don't think it's politically prudent for somebody who have been rejected over and over and over to still offer himself as a candidate. It doesn't make sense to me. For the UDP trying to accept Ousainou for the fourth time as their presidential candidate and still hope he could win" Waa
The point above is what I was referring to Nayri. I think UDP's best chance for revival was at Soma, the last congress provided an opportunity to select another capable person to run for president. The days of Dibba and Jawara duking it out every election cycle should be a thing of the past.
We should be binded by idealogy; this way when leadeship changes the idea is still there to bind us. The party should to be about one person. Just like in sports we have to pick the best and the most likely to win.
This a question of legitimacy and it is beyond questioning. Those who wanted a different result should have offered themselves or sponsor a candidate in the congress. The people are the masters and they have decided.
The question of Jawara and Dibba ducking it out is actually a thing of the past as Jawara is banned from politics and Dibba is already deceased. So I see no point there. In any case, this is pettiness and I am not prepared to partake in it. There are far more important issues to invest time on such as opposition unity, and I suggest you direct your energy on that.
UDP has no candidate yet. What we have is an elected party leader. We have rules and procedures in place that guides our internal organisation and nothing outside that shall have bearings on our internal political dispensations.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 30 Nov 2010 12:05:59 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 12:16:15
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Originally posted by mansasulu
What Strategic Alliance? As far as we all know, GMC has been a one-man Rambo expedition from the get go. Who is standing with him? Before you can call yourself a party, you should have followers/supporters. All I see is Mai Fatty attempting to position himself to lead UDP if and when the Constitution makes Darbo ineligible for the presidency. The man is almost 65 and thus has only one dice left to roll-2011 Presidential Election. I hope the higher echelons of the UDP leadership structure see what is transpiring.
Mansasulu,
What required is an all inclusive opposition alliance. Therefore, it is vital that political parties of every legitimate shape and weight take their rightful place in this coalition. So, the weight or credibility of the GMC is really not an issue in this respect. The most important thing is unity of purpose and I hope others parties INCLUDING pdois realise this and follow suit sooner rather than later. Time is of the essence here.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 30 Nov 2010 12:17:00 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 12:31:30
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Mansasulu,
What required is an all inclusive opposition alliance. Therefore, it is vital that political parties of every legitimate shape and weight take their rightful place in this coalition. So, the weight or credibility of the GMC is really not an issue in this respect. The most important thing is unity of purpose and I hope others parties INCLUDING pdois realise this and follow suit sooner rather than later. Time is of the essence here.
Regards
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS FOR MANSASULU BUT TRYING TO PLAY SMART POLITICS
THE QUESTIONS ARE IN PARTS! ON 1ST PART; "What Strategic Alliance?". MY RESPONSE IS A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT IS BEING ADVOCATED BY LAWYER DARBOE/UDP LEADER, SIDIA JATTA & SALLAH PDOIS/NADD, LAWYER MAI FATTY GMC LEADER, O.J PPP & OTHER COMPATRIOTS!
LAWYER DARBOE/UDP LEADER HAS DECLARED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, THE NEED FOR UNITED FRONT WITHOUT ANY CLEAR-CUT STRATEGY! HOWEVER UDP PARTY IS BANKING ON ITS POPULAR SUPPORT & MILITANTS TO TAKE EDGE/ ADVANTAGE/ HOODWINK OTHER STAKE-HOLDERS & HIJACK GENERAL NATIONAL DISSENT AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC (CONSIDERED THE BASIS FOR OPPOSITION BY PDOIS/NADD); TO SERVE THEIR (UDP) INTERESTS TO USURP THE LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN FOR CHANGE TOWARDS THE GENERAL ELECTIONS. ITS NOT PARTY INTERESTS THAT IS AT STAKE BUT NATIONAL INTERESTS FOR PEACE, STABILTY, PROSPERITY & SECURITY THAT ARE MORE CRUCIAL
IN MY OPNION THE BEST "STRATEGIC ALLIANCE" SHOULD BE A KIND OF "MERGER" TOWARDS ORIGIN OF NADD OR SOMETHING BETTER THAN NADD (IF AVAILABLE)
THEREFORE ANSWER OTHER QUESTIONS AND EYEBROWS WITH CERTAIN MOVES AND AGENDA CLEARLY DIRECTED ON UDP BY MANSASULU |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 14:30:36
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UDP has no candidate yet! Interesting, normally party leaders are default presidential candidate. Obviously UDP is not ready for 2011 election and there is a leadership problem. Looks like all my points actually very valid. Even mr.wannabe admits that. There is an election in a few months, looks like UDP admit that the party leader is NOT QUALIFIED for the presidency. If there was not a leadership problem, they could have selected new leader for UDP who would be 1. party leader, 2. the candidate for the presidency. But there is no alternative for the soon-to-be-retired politician. Or UPD may think that there could be someone else could be better candidate from other parties i.e. Halifa Sallah. That was again my formula for possible unity, opposition to enter election under UDP, but the candidate is the best opposition politician Halifa Salah.
'What we have is an elected party leader' who is NOT qualified for the presidency. Is that what the situation is? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 15:48:35
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Nyari,
I think we are all too aware of the fact that come the Presidential Elections, and if an when Darbo is alive and well he will be on the ballot for the presidency with or without any form of any alliance. What I am pointing you to is the fact that an alliance can only be meaningful if it is with a bonafide political party. GMC is not a bonafide political party. I know it is probably not my place to decide for the UDP whom they decide to join forces with. However, as a Gambian who is qualified to vote, I need to be sure that the party does provide a meaninful alternative to what we have in order for me to support its platform, not just for the upcoming election but for the future. You look around the UDP and no one stands out as a potential successor to Darboe. Mai Fatty has seen that premonition and he is positioning himself. I think the party should be built on ideals and not individuals.
The questions that I am asking are legitimate ones and brushing them away will not make them go away. None of us has a crystal ball to see into the future, but we can use events of the past to accurately predict likely outcome of future events. We went into the past election with a disjointed coalition and we saw what the results were. Now we can all cry foul about the manner in which the elections were conducted, whether they were free and fair or not. The bigger issue is the number of registered voters who will stay home again come election time if there is no meaningful alliance. Cutting side deals or political posturing will only bring an outcome we are all too familiar with.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 16:59:26
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So far what we have:
UDP declares that, quote, ‘UDP has no candidate yet. What we have is an elected party leader.’
What I understand from this then, UDP has hesitancy about its leader for presidency, and most likely reasons are:
1. His age may be an issue.
2. He has already failed for last 15 years; he may not be good enough. They should have another candidate.
3. They are strategically thinking that, they need a new leader and the new alliance potentially solves the problem of not having qualified presidential candidate.
And, Mansa question this that current UDP leader will most likely be the presidential candidate. He also mentioned that GMC leader may have a motivation to take over the UDP leadership since there is no one really in UDP to fill the gap when current leader retires. And both have excellent observations.
It looks like, there are only a few months in the election and UDP is in big crisis in terms of leadership in the party. It does not give confidence to the voters. Does it?
UDP Declared:
UDP Eyes Victory 2011
Darbo of the United Democratic Party says those leading the campaign know President Jammeh cannot win re-election in 2011
So, for now UDP does not know who the presidential candidate for 2011? So how come they are sure they will be the victorious? Can someone help me out?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 30 Nov 2010 20:24:48 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Nov 2010 : 21:52:41
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Nyari,
I think we are all too aware of the fact that come the Presidential Elections, and if an when Darbo is alive and well he will be on the ballot for the presidency with or without any form of any alliance. What I am pointing you to is the fact that an alliance can only be meaningful if it is with a bonafide political party. GMC is not a bonafide political party. I know it is probably not my place to decide for the UDP whom they decide to join forces with. However, as a Gambian who is qualified to vote, I need to be sure that the party does provide a meaninful alternative to what we have in order for me to support its platform, not just for the upcoming election but for the future. You look around the UDP a
The questions that I am asking are legitimate ones and brushing them away will not make them go away. None of us has a crystal ball to see into the future, but we can use events of the past to accurately predict likely outcome of future events. We went into the past election with a disjointed coalition and we saw what the results were.Now we can all cry foul about the manner in which the elections were conducted, whether they were free and fair or not. The bigger issue is the number of registered voters who will stay home again come election time if there is no meaningful alliance.
Cutting side deals or political posturing will only bring an outcome we are all too familiar with.
OBSERVED SOUND POINTS HIGHLIGHTED ABOVE FOR CONSIDERATION PLEASE |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 00:42:31
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Nyari,
I think we are all too aware of the fact that come the Presidential Elections, and if an when Darbo is alive and well he will be on the ballot for the presidency with or without any form of any alliance.
I would love to see that happen because he [Mr. Darboe] is my unquestionable choice. However, since he hasn't been declared a candidate yet, I think it is prudent that you accede to the fact that what UDP currently has is an elected party leader who, like all other party leaders, is also a potential candidate in 2011 but not actually a declared candidate, atleast for now.
I wouldn't describe GMC as 'not bona fide' since they are actually a legally recognised and registered political party with rights to partake in any given election in the Gambia. I suggest you look up the word 'bona fide' in the dictionary. They have satisfied all the legal requirement for a party status. I don't know what else is needed in your book that would make them bona fide. In any case, it is not what you think that matters but what the law states.
Anyway, I am not a member of the GMC. So, I am not bothered what anybody thinks or says about them. However, I will stand to dismiss any suggestion that their involvement in any coalition arrangement is somehow worthless.
Regards
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 01 Dec 2010 01:01:47 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 13:53:21
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Nyari,
I think we are all too aware of the fact that come the Presidential Elections, and if an when Darbo is alive and well he will be on the ballot for the presidency with or without any form of any alliance.
I would love to see that happen because he [Mr. Darboe] is my unquestionable choice. However, since he hasn't been declared a candidate yet, I think it is prudent that you accede to the fact that what UDP currently has is an elected party leader who, like all other party leaders, is also a potential candidate in 2011 but not actually a declared candidate, atleast for now.
I wouldn't describe GMC as 'not bona fide' since they are actually a legally recognised and registered political party with rights to partake in any given election in the Gambia. I suggest you look up the word 'bona fide' in the dictionary. They have satisfied all the legal requirement for a party status. I don't know what else is needed in your book that would make them bona fide. In any case, it is not what you think that matters but what the law states.
Anyway, I am not a member of the GMC. So, I am not bothered what anybody thinks or says about them. However, I will stand to dismiss any suggestion that their involvement in any coalition arrangement is somehow worthless.
Regards
CONGRATS FOR BEING WISER & MORE CAUTIOUS WITH YOUR STATEMENTS AND/OR DECLARATIONS!
AM REALLY IMPRESSED WITH LAWYER MAI FATTY'S APPEALING STRATEGY AS A NEW POLITICAL FORCE (GMC leader) AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC AND YOU (NYARIKANGBANNA) WITH YOUR CHANGE OF TONE ON THREADS ABOVE.
LAWYER MAI FATTY/GMC LEADER'S ELUCIDATION, CLARIFICATION & ENDORSEMENT OF THE HARD WORK OF PDOIS/NADD ON AGENDA 2011 DESERVED HIGH REGARDS, RESPECT & COMMENDATION!
AS A CONCERN CITIZEN HE CAN EXERCISE "SOVEREIGNTY RIGHTS" LIKE ANY OPPONENT AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC OR SUPPORTER OF CURRENT REGIME; the right to vote:to guarantee the franchise of every citizen.
Latest updates from;
1. Jollof online news Gambia: Way forward
under http://www.jollofnews.com/gambia-way-forward.html
2. Gambia Echo news (same as 1. above)with GMC Party Leader addresses Gambians under http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2131/Default.aspx
3. Gainako news Fighting the Right Way by Karamba Touray UDP Militant under http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/12/01/fighting-the-right-way-.html |
Edited by - kobo on 01 Dec 2010 14:27:24 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 18:26:18
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Nyari,
I think we are all too aware of the fact that come the Presidential Elections, and if an when Darbo is alive and well he will be on the ballot for the presidency with or without any form of any alliance.
I would love to see that happen because he [Mr. Darboe] is my unquestionable choice. However, since he hasn't been declared a candidate yet, I think it is prudent that you accede to the fact that what UDP currently has is an elected party leader who, like all other party leaders, is also a potential candidate in 2011 but not actually a declared candidate, atleast for now.
I wouldn't describe GMC as 'not bona fide' since they are actually a legally recognised and registered political party with rights to partake in any given election in the Gambia. I suggest you look up the word 'bona fide' in the dictionary. They have satisfied all the legal requirement for a party status. I don't know what else is needed in your book that would make them bona fide. In any case, it is not what you think that matters but what the law states.
Anyway, I am not a member of the GMC. So, I am not bothered what anybody thinks or says about them. However, I will stand to dismiss any suggestion that their involvement in any coalition arrangement is somehow worthless.
Regards
I am happy to concede the meaning of 'bonafide' to you. And in the interest of going forward, let me also concede that GMC is a 'legally registered party bonafide party.' My point is Mai Fatty should come to the table as a representative of a 'bonafide political party' where all the other parties are meeting to formulate a meaningful alliance. It appears to me that he is 'riding short gun'... |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Prince
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 19:11:54
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Mansa, it would be prudent of you to cease and desist from making baseless allegation against Mai Fatty else you risk subjecting yourself to ridicule. How did you come to the conclusion that Mai Fatty has an ulterior motive of taking over the UDP, and that he is a one man “Rambo?” Also, who are YOU to determine what constitutes a “bona fide political party?”
It is obvious that you have no facts whatsoever -apart from petty thoughts within your head- to support any of your frivolous claims. Get off your high horse and stop your struggle to create storms with your tea cup.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 20:24:39
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Prince, Mai Fatty has no followers that anyone know of. GMC is a party without a structure that anyone know of. Its been ALMOST 2 YEARS since he went 'Rambo'and we are still to learn of who he is standing with. All these are facts. If you have anything contrary to what I stated please put it forward for all to see. May be you are privy to information you can enlighten us with.
People like Mai Fatty are obstacles to the formation of any formidable alternative on the way forward. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 20:28:25
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Prince
I think Mansa's speculation that Mr.Fatty could see the merge with the UDP as an opportunity, as UDP leader hesitance on presidential candidacy, mansa might be wrong with his claim but his speculation is valid and should not be subjected for ridicule.
Also, bona fide claim was, I think more than the legal status, it was more for the little support the party has and significance in the Gambian politics. And not having facts and providing thoughts/speculations are all about the political debate.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Prince
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Posted - 01 Dec 2010 : 20:57:52
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Prince, Mai Fatty has no followers that anyone know of. GMC is a party without a structure that anyone know of. Its been ALMOST 2 YEARS since he went 'Rambo'and we are still to learn of who he is standing with. All these are facts. If you have anything contrary to what I stated please put it forward for all to see. May be you are privy to information you can enlighten us with.
People like Mai Fatty are obstacles to the formation of any formidable alternative on the way forward.
You may be right in saying that Mai Fatty is not coming forward with a recognized executive, but that is a Gambian thingy, which is common to over 70% of our political parties. The average Gambian cannot name more than 2 people (executives) for almost all the political parties on the ground.
Almost all Gambian political parties are usually "Rambo" or sometimes "Rambo and his friend(s)."
Judging by his facebook page, you are wrong in saying that Mai has "no followers."
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Elect-Mai-Ahmad-Fatty-President-of-The-Gambia-2011/113554952011904
It is really iffy to say that he is trying to takeover the UDP's leadership because it's obvious that he would have a much better chance of doing that by joining them as an individual instead of "small party." |
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