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turk
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 Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 03:22:31
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| I am planning to settle down in Ginnack Island or Kartong. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 03:26:08
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| Moe I think Waa turned his back on what is was fighting for. The APRC he was fighting is the same APRC he is working for. I do not think what he did is sophisticated, he wants to retair large so he joined the party. |
God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 04:35:46
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''Waa has raised very valid points in this quote. I did not read Waa's interview because he is a turncoat but might be I should '' -- Terangba
The position of party leader is not maintained from the taxpayer's money but personal sacrifice for a cause one believes in. Therefore, it is not a public office that could be subject to a consitutional term limit, unlike the presidency. So clearly, waa has no point here. This is just mere crude logic that has no chance of flying for it is an utter nonsense.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 12:19:15
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Yes Waa was hostile with Jammeh/APRC, tortured fighting against them and broke ranks with UDP to establish a breakaway opposition faction. For the 2006 campaign, we could re-called THE NEED FOR OF ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES & OPPONENTS OF JAMMEH/APRC COMING TOGETHER TO DIS-LODGE THEM IN GENERAL ELECTIONS! TIT WAS PROSPECTIVE AND STGDP MOBILISED CULMINATING WITH ESTABLISHING NADD & WITH A SOUND COMMITMENT UNDER NADD'S MOU TO FIGHT UNDER ONE UMBRELLA! TO MANY THERE CANNOT BE ANY BETTER STRATEGY FOR THAT KIND OF TACTICAL ALLIANCE
HOWEVER NADD STARTED TO DIS-INTEGRATE AS IT WAS UNDERMINED AND SHATTERED BY UDP/NRP EVEN BEFORE CERTAIN FORMALITIES & CONSENSUS ESTABLISHED. Many former UDP/NRP were left with no option to cross-carpet to APRC; including Ganyi Touray, Mam Manyick Njie amonsgt others. Waa fought a lost cause and he has justified why he abandon it! Also considering his age and political maturity that UDP/NRP failed Gambian opposition and that THE MOU FOR ALL POLITICAL PARTIES & PARTY LEADERS BROKERED BY OBASANJO IS VIABLE FOR HIM TO THRIVE IN GAMBIAN POLITICS!
WHATS WRONG WITH TELLING THE TRUTH AND AKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT UDP/NRP CANNOT DEPOSE JAMMEH/APRC WHY IS DARBOE APPEALING FOR WHAT WAS AVAILABLE IN 2006; I.E ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES TO UNITE AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC 2011
PLEASE BE COMPELLED TO REVIEW WAA'S INTERVIEW AND BE WISER TO CONSPIRE AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC
ANOTHER QUOTATION:"NDAM is still a registered political party and there are people who support the party... And since I will not be running for President, I will tell them all to vote for the governing APRC Party because of the record of achievements of President Jammeh's government. And I think we should give him a clear cut mandate from the people of The Gambia so that sceptics at home and abroad will know that 2011 elections reflects the wishes of The Gambian people. Nobody should decide for us what we want - we would decide for ourselves!" Waa Juwara
I REPEAT IN VERY STRONG TERMS THESE WORDS TO MAKE THEM MEANINGFUL TO THE DUMB; "I WILL TELL THEM ALL TO VOTE FOR THE GOVERNMENT APRC.." PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING TO UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE LOGIC IN PDOIS/NADD AGENDA 2011;
1. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF JAMMEH/APRC THERE IS A BASIS FOR OPPOSITION. THEREFORE BEING ON THE OPPOSITION FRONT EQUATES WITH THE COMMON GOAL TO DEPOSE JAMMEH/APRC 2011.
2. TO GET RID OF JAMMEH'S PRESIDENCY THERE MUST BE A STRONG OPPONENT AND A PROPOSAL IS MADE IN AGENDA 2011 HOW TO SCREEN & NOMINATE THAT CANDIDATE FROM ALL OPPONENTS OF JAMMEH/APRC.
3. AGENDA 2011 HAS BEEN TENDERED FOR ALL OPPONENTS & OPPOSITION PARTIES TO CONSIDER AND DEVELOPED A DYNAMIC STRATEGY AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC; FOR A NATIONAL CAUSE; AS OPPONENTS SHARED MAIN COMMON GOALS! THEREFORE NO OPPOSITION PARTY OR PART LEADER SHOULD HI-JACK IT AS ONLY ELIGIBLE CANDIDATE
4. FINALLY THE CONSTITUTION CATERS FOR "MERGER" OF POLITICAL PARTIES BUT NOT CROSS-CARPET TO ANOTHER PARTY SO WHAT IS WRONG WITH A UNITED FRONT OR COALITION UNDER ONE-UMBRELLA THOSE HINDERING PROGRESS ARE DEFINITELY COMMITTING TREASON TO ALLOW JAMMEH/APRC WINNING EASILY 2011!
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 17:57:11
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Taxpayer money! lol. This wannabe,clearly, does not get any thing. The point is not really seriously having a term limit for opposition leader, the point is the political life of UDP leader is a total failure and he does not get the message from the voters that he is not good enough/capable/qualified to run for the presidency. Capito?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 19:25:33
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Coming back to the issue. GMC joined the UDP coalition and this is good news for all who want to see Jammeh Administration gone, sooner rather than later. I hope PDOIS or NADD will soon be seen standing on the same platform with the rest of the opposition.
The situation in Gambia calls for immediate action. We need a unified and strong opposition, don't care how its called and what name it addopts. We need not to waste time on petty issues anymore. We cannot just afford it!
Turk writing crap in here every hour is just his problem and noboby else's. Certainly I cannot help him.
I wish the negotiators and the rest of the opposition camp good luck!
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Originally posted by turk
Taxpayer money! lol. This wannabe,clearly, does not get any thing. The point is not really seriously having a term limit for opposition leader, the point is the political life of UDP leader is a total failure and he does not get the message from the voters that he is not good enough/capable/qualified to run for the presidency. Capito?
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 20:18:06
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I wish you sound smarter instead of loser. You call it crap; I call it 'truth'. For success, instead of living in figment of your imagination you exhibit, first recognize the fact that the UDP political movement and leadership is a malfunction. If my manager is a failure, I would fire him or her. The real problem is not really soon-to-be-retired UDP leader; it is the party supporters/party members who are settled with lower standards in leadership and incompetent of changing the leadership.
UDP leader has been leader of UDP since 1996.
He lost the election 2001.
He lost the election in 2006.
He lost the election in 2007.
He will have lost the election in 2011.
He has 'failed' for last 15 years due to his limited political skills. Questioning this is not crap. But ignoring the failure of the leader and still support is DUMB.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2010 : 22:17:32
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"I don't think it's politically prudent for somebody who have been rejected over and over and over to still offer himself as a candidate. It doesn't make sense to me. For the UDP trying to accept Ousainou for the fourth time as their presidential candidate and still hope he could win" Waa
The point above is what I was referring to Nayri. I think UDP's best chance for revival was at Soma, the last congress provided an opportunity to select another capable person to run for president. The days of Dibba and Jawara duking it out every election cycle should be a thing of the past.
We should be binded by idealogy; this way when leadeship changes the idea is still there to bind us. The party should to be about one person. Just like in sports we have to pick the best and the most likely to win.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 08:32:18
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Originally posted by Senegambia
Coming back to the issue. GMC joined the UDP coalition and this is good news for all who want to see Jammeh Administration gone, sooner rather than later. I hope PDOIS or NADD will soon be seen standing on the same platform with the rest of the opposition.
The situation in Gambia calls for immediate action. We need a unified and strong opposition, don't care how its called and what name it addopts. We need not to waste time on petty issues anymore. We cannot just afford it!
I wish the negotiators and the rest of the opposition camp good luck
THAT'S THE ONLY REALISTIC VIABLE AGENDA FOR ALL OPPONENTS OF JAMMEH/APRC; CONSIDERED AS THE CORE PROGRAMME FOR STGDP & SO-CALLED OTHER NATIONALIST OR PATRIOTIC MILITANTS.
THE ADVOCACY, REPRESENTATIONS & ENDEAVOUR TO SANCTION ALL OPPONENTS/OPPOSITION PARTIES/PARTY LEADERS UNDER ONE PLATFORM (UMBRELLA) AND FORMULATE THE STRATEGY TO CHALLENGE JAMMEH/APRC FIGHTING A NATIONAL CAUSE!
A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT OR ANY FORM OF NATIONAL ALLIANCE, OF COURSE INCULDING REJUVENATION OF NADD IS THE BEST STRATEGIC "MERGER"; ALLIANCE OR COALITION TO BE EFFECTIVE AGAINST JAMMEH/APRC.
NOTE: AS ALL OPPOSTION SHARED A COMMON GOAL 1. DIALOGUE & NEGOTIATIONS FOR UNITY IS TOP PRIORITY; FOLLOED BY 2. TO FORMULATE THE RESOLUTIONS, MOU & STRATEGIES; THEN 3. IMPLEMENTATION TO PURSUE SECONDARY OBJECTIVES, FOR INSTANCE LEADERSHIP, TERM LIMITS, MOBILISATION, CAMPAIGN STRATEGY,FUNDING, NETWORKING, COMMUNICATION & CO-ORDINATION OF ACTIVITIES, INTER ALIA.
A TIMELY CONCLUSION FOR ME WITH REDUNDANT ARGUMENTS ON THIS TOPIC. Courtesy of Gainako news; GMC Leader Speaks - Our position on Agenda 2011 and the Alliance under http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/11/29/gmc-leader-speaks---our-position-on-agenda-2011-and-the-alliance.html
QUOTAION EXTRACTED ABOVE:"Any political observer or stakeholder who monitors national political debate and dialogue would take cognizance of AGENDA 2011 being propagated by PDOIS. This is a veritable political idea with good intentions, and we believe that we should not remain on idle stand-by, hoping to be engaged by our PDOIS friends on the matter, when it has sufficiently put the material in the public domain times galore. By pushing the idea into the public domain, we view it as an invitation to all Gambians, political parties inclusive, to dialogue on it as another solution to the challenges we face. GMC is grateful to PDOIS and its leadership for a good idea."GMC Leader Mai Fatty
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Senegambia
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 11:10:14
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Turk, I did not intend to answer but I notice you are editing your post continually for attention.
You made your points countless times. We heard you. Yes Darboe has lost previouse elections. You are absolutely right! I guess the atmosphere sorrounding elections don't mean a damn thing to you! Yes they were conducted under an atmosphere of fear, unleveled grounds, no state media coverage for the opposition, and, yes, under an atmosphrere where the state security forces (who's paid by tax payers) openly takes gov't side, just to name a few examples.
I have said this some months ago and I will repeat it: I wish there was a more frequent change of leadership in political parties in Gambia. Left to me alone, Jammeh would have been long gone, Darboe would no longer have been leading UDP, Jatta and Sillah would not have been the only leaders of PDOIS all these decades, Bah , Jallow and so on. BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE! Could I and many other diasporans, screaming about how undemocratic Gambian politicians are, be willing to leave our safe jobs in the west and go home to initiate change? What are we doing? What responsibilities are we taking? I remember Darboe in one interview inviting anyone who wish to lead UDP to come and contest. Did anybody do that? No! Have you heard of contentions for leadership in any other party recently? No! So my friend, maybe it is time to look beyond Darboe or who ever it may be, and maybe you will find the problem somewhere. FOR NOW, all we need to do is to be focused. No time for petty talk.
Even if had lost fair and square, he is again been elected by the UDP to lead them through next elections. I guess a little respect for those who still believe in him is something you should consider. He is the one leading UDP. People are concerned about rallying behind what they have and making the best out of them. Not whining about elementary issues all day long. Comes next party congress, they will have another chance to elect a new leader. And I hope concerned Gambians will then shift their gears from that of howling to action!
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Originally posted by turk
I wish you sound smarter instead of loser. You call it crap; I call it 'truth'. For success, instead of living in figment of your imagination you exhibit, first recognize the fact that the UDP political movement and leadership is a malfunction. If my manager is a failure, I would fire him or her. The real problem is not really soon-to-be-retired UDP leader; it is the party supporters/party members who are settled with lower standards in leadership and incompetent of changing the leadership.
UDP leader has been leader of UDP since 1996.
He lost the election 2001.
He lost the election in 2006.
He lost the election in 2007.
He will have lost the election in 2011.
He has 'failed' for last 15 years due to his limited political skills. Questioning this is not crap. But ignoring the failure of the leader and still support is DUMB.
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 17:21:50
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Bro Turks,
From what you saying,it appears you implying that your Man Yahya Jammeh tto won in 2001/2006.2007 and should continue so long as he keeps wining?
Don't think of yourself capable of runing the affairs of your motherland or your children in the future?
Maybe you want Jammeh to become king as well so that your children would become subjects.Thats just my opinion though.How do you see that?
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Originally posted by turk
I wish you sound smarter instead of loser. You call it crap; I call it 'truth'. For success, instead of living in figment of your imagination you exhibit, first recognize the fact that the UDP political movement and leadership is a malfunction. If my manager is a failure, I would fire him or her. The real problem is not really soon-to-be-retired UDP leader; it is the party supporters/party members who are settled with lower standards in leadership and incompetent of changing the leadership.
UDP leader has been leader of UDP since 1996.
He lost the election 2001.
He lost the election in 2006.
He lost the election in 2007.
He will have lost the election in 2011.
He has 'failed' for last 15 years due to his limited political skills. Questioning this is not crap. But ignoring the failure of the leader and still support is DUMB.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 18:11:37
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Bro Janyanfara
Soon-to-retire UDP leader has failed last 15 years. And this is going to be his last election. So he is a failure. What I am saying, why you continue support leader/team has no success. Let us be honest, UDP does not have collective intelligence, political knowledge and experience for Gambia.
And you go to election with a leader who is old and who is not going to give you much. Jammeh on the other hand younger, more connected to average Gambian.
UDP talk about problems, but they don't have solutions. Reading UDP leader and, politician wanna-be here are clear evidence that they are not capable. Again, the problem is Gambia is not about him or Jammeh. The problem exist within the society. Gambians do not have the will, desire, knowledge,skills, literacy, technology to participate in democracy project. Democracy does not fit Gambian's reality currently. To me democracy is overrated anyway, it has totally different historical, socio-economic and cultural realities than Gambia. And it does not fit, at the moment, Gambia. And as long as Jammeh is winning, he should continue. He has massive support in Gambia. People get the leaders they deserve. He has established stability, economic development, security and democratization of Gambia is a long process. I may talk different in 20 years when we have new generation are able to go to internet and ready about political news, understand more complex social, economic terms. Do you think, someone in the country side honestly voting UDP leader based on the economic policies he is advocating. I am not sure about that.
I am not supporting Jammeh. I have much higher standards in politics. However, i don't see any better alternative than him. Personally, I am against monarch. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 29 Nov 2010 18:58:29 |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 18:37:36
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I am not supporting Jammeh. I have much higher standards in politics. However, i don't see any better alternative than him. Personally, I am against monarch.
posted by Turks
Oh ok then I share non support of Jammeh but you prefer him to all the other political opponents right?
I beg to differ with you on that I belief Jammeh has failed in delievering on the Gambia.I sometimes cannot fathom how people are taken by just faceless structures they are not developments at all.You need to develop the people then you can say Gambia is developing.Since He took over,Gambia is worse in terms of economic growth than in the PPP era.You may choose to agree or not. Some argue that University and TV station with hospitals are examples of his achievements!But wait a minute TV station only proadcasts Jammeh and his so called achievements so is that development or a propaganda tool?Hospitals with no drugs only death squards and even Jammeh never let his kids or close families go there instead his clinic in Kanilai where he is chief doctor is the best in the country.would you call that developments as well?
University is an achievement I agree. but what else and if Jammeh respects the will of the Gambian people they while in power as soldiers would not change the draft constitution for their own selfish ends.The term on presidential limits was drafted I saw it on the document but that was ommitted and scrapped.
Don't you think if Jammeh built a University and leaves when his term finishes. another Gambian could continue from where he stops? |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 19:02:09
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| I do not think another leader is going to make significant differences. Gambia requires total transformation as a society. I am sticking to the devil I know. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 22:01:38
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| What Strategic Alliance? As far as we all know, GMC has been a one-man Rambo expedition from the get go. Who is standing with him? Before you can call yourself a party, you should have followers/supporters. All I see is Mai Fatty attempting to position himself to lead UDP if and when the Constitution makes Darbo ineligible for the presidency. The man is almost 65 and thus has only one dice left to roll-2011 Presidential Election. I hope the higher echelons of the UDP leadership structure see what is transpiring. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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