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GAMBIA-L Digest 90
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Reading for the weekend (Part 1)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
2) Reading for the weekend (part 2)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
3) Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
4) New Member
by "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com>
5) Subscriber
by badjie karafa sw <badjiek@unixg.ubc.ca>
6) RE: fyi (Government theft & popular apathy)
by Francis Njie <c3p0@xsite.net>
7) Colonialism and the Council of Foreign Relations
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
8) The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
by Mbk007@aol.com
9) member list
by "Jobst Münderlein" <joppl@hotmail.com>
10) SV: SV: (PART3) THE CANCER OF LANGUAGE AND TRBE IN AFRICA
by Laura Munzel <lem10@columbia.edu>
11) Export of renovated used tractors and motor vehicles to Africa (fwd)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
12) Re: Introduction
by "<WENDELA@COMMIT.GM>" <gambia-l@commit.gm>
13) To List Administrator: GAMBIA-L
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
14) Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
15) Re: To List Administrator: GAMBIA-L
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
16) condolence
by Mamadi Corra <MKCORRA@VM.SC.EDU>
17) FW: Error Condition Re: RE: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMO
TE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com>
18) Condolence
by Lamin Camara <kidrass@ica.net>
19) HNS Engineering Job Opportunities (fwd)
by "N'Deye Marie" <njie.1@osu.edu>
20) Re: fyi (Government theft & popular apathy)
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
21) Re: fyi (Government theft & popular apathy)
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
22) Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se>
23) The Beautiful English Language (fwd)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
24) Re: The Beautiful English Language (fwd)
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
25) Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
by "Pa-Mambuna O. Bojang" <paomar@iglou.com>
26) casa/religion/ethnicity
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
27) Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
28) Re: Condolence
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
29) Re: Introduction
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
30) Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
31) Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
32) Re: casa/religion/ethnicity
by "Latir Downes-Thomas" <latir@earthlink.net>
33) Re: Dusty Sukuru-kunda
by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
34) RE. REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
35) New clinic for SOS - Political instabili
by "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
36) Meaning of name
by Andy Lyons <alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>
37) Re. SOS clinic -political instability
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
38) Re: HEIDI, AND FELLOW BANTABA 'NKOLU.
by Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM>
39) Re: HEIDI, AND FELLOW BANTABA 'NKOLU.
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
40) Re: Dusty Sukuru-kunda
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
41) Re: Subscriber
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
42) Re: The Beautiful English Language (fwd)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
43) Re: casa/religion/ethnicity
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
44) Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
45) Re: RE. REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
46) Gambia-Lers in the Bay Area
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
47) Re: Meaning of name
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
48) Reconsider AOL (fwd)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
49) Re: Name :MODU MUSA
by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
50) Re: The Beautiful English Language (fwd)
by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
51) RE: REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
52) Test
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
53) FW: RE: REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
54) Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
55) Joke with explicit content
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
56) Humour: LOVE, LUST OR MARRIAGE ?
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
57) A Poem: "My mother doesn't know ..." (fwd)
by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
58) On Peepers
by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu>
59) Re: On Peepers
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
60) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by "<TGR@COMMIT.GM>" <gambia-l@commit.gm>
61) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>
62) peepers
by Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
63) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
64) Re: member list
by "Jobst Münderlein" <joppl@hotmail.com>
65) Re: On Peepers
by Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu>
66) Re: RE. REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se>
67) Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
68) Please take my name out of mailing lis
by "tapha cham" <mustick@hotmail.com>
69) Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
70) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
71) Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
72) Re. SOS clinic -political instability
by "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
73) peepers
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
74) Re: Sending a FAX over the Internet
by "Omar Gibba" <ojgibba@hotmail.com>
75) WHY I 'HATE' PEEPERS (REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.)
by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
76) Subscribe
by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
77) HUMOUR (Things we can learn from a Dog)
by EVERY TUB HAFFI GO SIDDUNG PON DEM OWNA BUTTOM <ABARROW@rr5.rr.intel.com>
78) REJOINDER TO "RE: WHY I 'HATE' PEEPERS (REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOIN
T.)"
by Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
79) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
80) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
81) Re: member list
by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
82) New members
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
83) Re: On Peepers
by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
84) Re: On Peepers
by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
85) education support by alumni ass.?
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
86) Re: member list
by S Njie <S.Njie@commonwealth.int>
87) Re: Searching for a phone number.
by "YAYA S. SISAY" <sisayy@wabash.edu>
88) Fwd: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
by MJagana@aol.com
89) Fwd: Joke of the day...... :-)
by MJagana@aol.com
90) Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com>
91) Re: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com>
92) new member
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
93) Re: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
94) Albright: A 'New Tide' Rising In Africa
by "Latir Downes-Thomas" <latir@earthlink.net>
95) Re: Fwd: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
96) Re: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
97) Re: A Poem: "My mother doesn't know ..." (fwd)
by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
98) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
99) FELCH.
by Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk>
100) RE: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com>
101) Re: Re. SOS clinic -political instability
by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm>
102) Error Felch.
by Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk>
103) list a friend
by Naffie Jammeh <nj368917@gwmail.kysu.edu>
104) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm>
105) new member
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
106) Re: These terrible WHITE people
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
107) Re: Error Felch.
by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com>
108) Re: education support by alumni ass.?
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
109) Re: Albright: A 'New Tide' Rising In Africa
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
110) Re: Error Felch.
by "Latir Downes-Thomas" <latir@earthlink.net>
111) New members
by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
112) FELCHERS
by Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk>
113) RE: Error Felchers.
by Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk>
114) Re: Sending a FAX over the Internet
by Lamin Camara <kidrass@ica.net>
115) Re: Error Felch.
by MJawara@aol.com
116) Bantaba Membership
by Paul <bgibba@interlog.com>
117) Re: casa/religion/ethnicity
by Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:07:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Reading for the weekend (Part 1)
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I think some of you might find this interesting. If not, please accept my
apology.
For those copyright-minded individuals, well...you will just have to
cringe on this one :-)))))))))).
Enjoy!
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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"The Secret Relationship Between the International Bankers and Civil Rights
Organizations"
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What African people lack in developing a strategy for freedom, justice,
equality, and independence is an analysis of the wealthy and the name of an
enemy that directly impacts our comm(unity) in an adverse manner. The
African community is far too vague in positively identifying who it is that
has the wealth and power available to construct such an onslaught against
our people. We always hear theories of the government is behind it, or it's
the white man, or it's the system. Hardly ever is there a name given. But
how vague is the white man if your accused of a crime? Not only is your
name going to be identified but he's now breaking you all the way down to
your DNA, after he checks every orifice of the body. Here we are not even
interested in the name of the people orchestrating our genocide. Those in
control of wealth can ease conditions or strangle movement in the African
community through control of what are termed "traditional civil rights
organizations".
The most profound and informative analysis of wealthy whites,
international bankers, and their impact on the African community is ofcourse
Steve Cokely's analysis. For he has given us a grid, based on the
information, to place over the confusing signals we constantly receive from
Black leadership. The framework Cokely has developed gives us a roadmap to
follow the money trail to the unseen forces that control the puppet strings
on the Negro puppet leaders. It is the understanding of this framework that
has helped me to know where to look for the information, that I might help
distribute that information and expand on the information Cokely has given
us to the best of my ability.
The Rockefeller family is the pinnacle of a powerful banking family in the
west and has shaped America, Black and white, as a potter shapes his clay
into the desired shape. Since John D. Rockefeller acquired his fortune in
oil and founded the Standard Oil CO., the Rockefeller family has been
concentrating more and more power and control over every aspect of American
life. Concentration of wealth in a few hands leaving the masses of people
destitute. Wealthy whites only concern with poor people is to make sure they
don't interrupt the flow of business by civil disturbance. Conditions of
poverty create civil disturbances when the people have had enough. So
wealthy whites have learned it is in their best interest to grant
concessions or ease conditions that would make life just a little more
tolerable for the poor. Many social service programs and organizations,
who's job it is to ease conditions were created by wealthy white
philanthropists for those reasons.
This concept of developing social programs, which usually require social
workers, was developed in London by Arnold Toynbee. His concept was to
have social workers set up among the poor through settlement houses to
record activities and names of the poor. Arnold Toynbee was a member of
the Round Table group, a secret society started by Cecil Rhodes of the
Rhodes scholarship Trust. Cecil Rhodes murderous exploits in South Africa
were financed by Baron Rothscild, another member of the Round Table group.
The Royal Institute for International Affairs grew out of the Round Table
and is the parent organization of the Council on Foreign
Relations.(Anglo-American Establishment" by Carrol Quigley) The CFR is
financed and chaired by David Rockefeller. White philanthropists became
interested in profiles on the Black community and would lend money to
negroes who would write up profiles. Names like Andrew Carnegie, George
Peabody, Rockefeller, Julius Rosenwald were especially interested. W.E. B.
Dubois wrote one of the first studies of Black people in" Philadelphia
Negroes" published in 1899. The Committee on Urban Conditions was founded
in 1910 to provide more research and social work and some measure of
relief of the conditions that Black people lived under.
The Committee on Urban Conditions became known as the Urban League in
1911. Ruth Standish Baldwin, a white woman, and a league founder interested
Rockefeller in the project. Her husband was William Baldwin of the General
Education Board and a trustee of Tuskegee Institute. In the book "the Urban
League" by Nancy Weiss, who was given access to the Rockefeller family
archives, wrote in chapter 6 that the Urban League's income came from a
small group of rich whites, but primarily J.D. Rockefeller Jr.. with an
annual gift of $20,000. Others included Alfred T. White and Julius
Rosenwald, owner of Sears and Roebuck. Weiss observes also that the Urban
League and the Settlement movement shared similar work. The League was to
handle migration of Blacks from the south to the city. Neither were
motivated by a sense of obligation, since both believed that relief for the
poor comes after getting information on the poor. As Steve Cokely teaches
us, it is spying. For an in depth analysis get the taped lecture "How to
spot a spy" and "Spy system 2000". Rockefeller's Urban League is today what
it always has been, a spy system or early warning system.
Rockefeller money pays to get it done Rockefeller's way. How do you
think he got so rich? Is there any logical reason to join Rockefeller's
Urban League? IN keeping control of his organization he now has Hugh Price,
a trustee and vise president of the Rockefeller foundation and a member of
David Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations, as the Urban League
president. No matter who asked you to join it, the organization is the
same.(Rockefeller Foundation annual report 1994)
When Chase Manhattan, chaired by David Rockefeller, came under pressure
for loaning money to the south African government during the worst period
of apartheid, it was Urban League President Whitney Young, also of the
Rockefeller Foundation, that cooled the situation. The Rockefeller family
was a great financier of Adolf Hitler through the Rockefeller merger with
Schroder Bank. Schroder Bank was owned by Baron Kurt Von Schroder, then head
of the Nazi Gestapo. They formed Rockefeller, Schroder Bank.("Secerets of
the Federal Reserve" by Eustice Mullins) Rockefeller's Standard Oil Co.'s
business contracts with Germany's I.G. Farben, the Nazi's most important
industrial corporation. So why do we find the Rockefeller's financing the
most vile anti-black movements? While at the same time financing Black
colleges.
The Rockefeller family financed the United Negro College Fund with
$100,000. J.D. Rockefeller Jr. was chairman of the UNCF National Council for
10 years. He recruited campaign leadership and permanent officers of the
board.(("J.D. Rockefeller Jr. :A Portrait" by Raymond Fosdick) Jay
Rockefeller now holds the UNCF National Board Directorship. And fronting off
as UNCF president is William Gray lll, a member of David Rockefeller's
Trilateral Commission. That's why the name can't be changed from negro
because it's not our organization. Rockefeller built up a fund raiser to
raise funds that would end up going right back to the schools he built.
Rockefeller support to Black colleges goes back to 1882 with Spelman
College named for Laura Spelman Rockefeller. The current president of
Spelman College in Atlanta, Ga. is Dr. Johnetta B. Cole, a trustee of the
Rockefeller Foundation and member of David Rockefeller's CFR. Eleanor
Holmes-Norton is another familiar name who is a trustee of the Rockefeller
foundation and CFR member. The book "Rockefeller Medicine men" revealed the
General Education Board's strategy for educating negroes...."to provide
college training for carefully selected negroes who will lead the race in
it's efforts to improve itself. Black leaders must be trained, so that
looking to them for guidance as he does, he may be as well guided as
possible." The General education Board was formed by Rockefeller in 1901 to
educate Black schools . It eventually became the Rockefeller foundation.
Nelson Rockefeller's support of the SCLC wasn't widely known, nor the
personal checks written to MLK. Many a bail-bond was posted by personal
checks from Nelson Rockefeller. The same Nelson Rockefeller responsible for
the Atticca State prison slaughter. MLK Sr. was a devout republican and
actually campaigned for him. The Federal Council of Churches (FCC) were the
major financial support of SCLC. It was the FCC that Goodman, Schwerner, and
Chaney worked for under what was called the "Summer Project" to desegregate
Mississippi. The FCC then became the National Council of Churches(NCC),
conducting recruiting and training at the Western College for Women in
Oxford, Ohio. The Summer Project was financed through an NCC grant of
$50,000 and $150,000 was provided for bail insurance. Familiar names from
the Summer Project include Marion Wright-Edleman (a CFR member) and Julian
Bond. The NCC also formed the Council of Federated Organizations (COFO) to
establish "Freedom Schools" to, "teach negroes to think critically and to
train a new generation of negro leadership," said Donna Moses of
COFO.(Richmond News Leader 11/7/63) Marion Wright-Edleman still advocates
these Freedom Schools through her Black Community Crusade for Children. Rev.
Ben Chavis is currently an officer with the NCC. The NCC was the major
financier of the 1963 march on Washington. The Rockefellers are the major
financiers of the NCC.
David Rockefeller has started a constituency for Africa and he finances
it through the Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller foundations. I guess he said if
there is going to be a pro Africa movement, we'd better build it before a
real one emerges. Andrew Young is chairman of the board of Directors for the
CFA. Andrew Young is on Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission and CFR and a
Boule' member. Africares and the Conctituency for Africa come under
TransAfrica, the umbrella, formed also by David Rockefeller and Head by
Randall Robinson (Boule',CFR, and trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation)
The strategy employed by the International bankers was to breed a select
class of negroes to lead the Black masses. These "role models" are to give
lower-class Black people a sense of upward mobility, when in fact only a
carefully selected few, would be allowed in leadership positions. Most of
these role models are oath takers to things that are not compatible with
true liberation and self determination. We should not take oaths to things
that do not have our complete liberation at heart. The Black Greek letter
fraternities and sororities are a prime example. While many of them are well
meaning, as many are also confused. Perpetuating a "Stolen Legacy" written
about by George James. The Boule', the first of the Black Greek letter
fraternities, founded in 1904 in Philadelphia by Henry Minton, reserves the
most trusted leadership positions with the international bankers. Rev. Leon
Sullivan of General Motors, Boule' and CFR member and Kurt Schmoke, mayor of
Baltimore, Boule', CFR, Trilateral, Skull&Bones, & Rhodes scholar have oaths
to that which is opposed to our people. Mayor Schmoke got too much time on
the mike at the MMM, Khalid Muhammad didn't get any and neither did Steve
Cokely. Why?
The Carnegie Corp. commissioned a study by Gunnar Myrdal called the
American Dilema in the 1940's that broke down the Black leadership types
into 2 categories: Protest leaders and Accommodationist leaders. Then
suggest ways and strategies for building up, promoting, and legitimizing the
accommodationist leader, while vilifying the protest leadership. There are
times when both leader types are on the payroll of the international
bankers. Julius Rosenwald is a name well known for the financing of Black
colleges through the Rosenwald Fund. The Fund's financial support lent to
the Tuskegee syphilis experiment is not well known. Julius Rosenwald was
born in Illinois in 1862 A German Jew from a family of clothing merchant, he
became a successful merchant and his company eventually merged with Sears &
Roebuck and he became the owner. He gave generous contributions to Tuskegee
and in 1912 was given a trusteeship for life on Tuskegee's governing
board.(Philanthropy & Jim Crow) Rosenwald was a trustee of the Rockefellers
before organizing the Rosenwald fund. In 1929 the U.S. Public Health Service
approached the Rosenwald fund for support of a 4 year study on syphilis
among negroes in the rural south. In 1931 Dr. Michael M. Davies, the general
director of the Rosenwald fund medical program, called in Charles S.
Johnson formerly of the Urban League, who at that time secured the financial
support of Julius Rosenwald. Rosenwald eventually recruited Johnson as a
consultant and trustee. Johnson wrote a sociological study of Black
community life in Macon County during the syphilis trials. (Philanthropy &
Jim Crow) Dr. Oliver Clarence Wenger, director of PHS Venereal Disease
Clinic in Hot Springs, Arkansas, developed the scheme for securing the
autopsies when a subject died. Tissue samples were sent to the National
Institute of Health in D.C. Dr. Vonderlehr's job was to secure cooperation
in a conspiracy of silence among cooperating agencies. First was Tuskegee's
John Andrews hospital. He would meet with the surgeon general and president
of Tuskegee Robert Moton. Moton was a Boule' member and a spy for military
intelligence unit M-I 4 Negro subversian.(Journal of American History
June1992) Moton was also part of a network of Black army agents that spied
on several generations of the MLK family.(Memphis Commercial Appeal 3/18/93)
Dr. Hugh Cummings,U.S. Surgeon General, wrote Robert Moton and a conference
was held at Tuskegee Oct. 20,1933 that resulted in Moton's full
cooperation. Dr. Vonderlehr continued soliciting cooperation among agencies.
The men were not to be treated . The object was to examine the tissue of the
bodies once they died. The Government - Tuskegee- Rosenwald funded-
syphilis experiment suppossedly ended in 1972.
The NAACP financed through the Ford Foundation among others, is in
financial trouble. The Rockefellers have given generously throughout the
years and are life time members. Former National Security Advisor Zbigniew
Brzenski is a member and Trilateral Commission founder according to Holly
Sklar in "Trilateralism". CFR member Newt Gingrich is also a member of
the NAACP. Chairman of the NAACP for many years was Joel Spingarn, an
officer in military intelligence and spied on Black people and the NAACP
for 30 years. The NAACP annual award is named after Spingarn, a Jewish
white man. Will Kweisi Mfume change the name of the medal? Does he have
the authority? Declassified FBI files reveal NAACP cooperation with
informing on Marcus Garvey. Particularly A. Philip Randolph and Robert
Abbott of the Chicago Defender.
I appreciate the spirit of atonement. It is good if it is real. However
at the forefront of atonement should be the negro leadership atoning to the
Black masses for the deliberate misdirection and miseducation of our people
in their secret relationship to the international
bankers. The Black press can atone for the Black writers conference held at
the Whitehouse in July 1918 where the Black press was "encouraged" to tone
down the militancy of their publications. And they did comply.
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(Journal of American History June 1993)
(Emmit Scott's Official History)
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Next time we'll cover some more civil rights organizations.
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:19:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
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Well, my friends, do you need more to read?
Keep reading then .......................
And have a good weekend!
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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NEGRO LEADERSHIP FACTORIES
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Since the institution of slavery, slaveholders have known that it is
entirely inconceivable to allow enslaved masses to elect their own
leadership. This encourages Independence, the ability to think for one's
self and do for one's self.
Freedom and Liberation from oppression and suffering soon will dictate the
will of the once submissive slave. The slaveholder shudders at the
thought of having no one to build and/or maintain his world for him. The
thought of the slaves finally realizing that their slavemaster at no time
ever had any power over them, that it was merely imagery, keeps the slave
master in constant and extreme fear. The slaveholder knows he will reap
what he has sown, and no matter how many good laughs and smiles may occur
between them, deep in his heart, at the core, he knows he must never allow
this to happen. A good slaveholder knows he cannot possibly supervise all
of the slaves. There are just too many of them. He has to have someone
to supervise and manage in his absence. They must be cheap and blindly
loyal to his profit. There were many slaves who would like nothing more
than to strut around and feel that they have some measure of power over
the rest of the slaves. Then all that was needed was to choose the slave
which would grovel the quickest. Those are the ones who will look for a
favor or a pat on the back. They made the best watch dogs and they owned
none of what they watched. They would do all of this just to have little
more than the rest of the slaves, a little more prestige. The appointment
of a leader, historically referred to as "Uncle Tom, has a purpose. He
supervises and manages the affairs of his master-the other slaves, he
trains them and punishes them too.
After involuntary slavery, then came voluntary slavery where slaves
received wages and a place to stay. The process was commonly called
sharecropping. In today's society you can buy a "Negro" (not
African/Black) leader. They are relatively inexpensive in comparison to
the amount of money the People have who are in the business of oppressing,
manipulating, and exploiting the masses. Well, where can one be purchased
of course if you want them wholesale, go to the Negro leadership factory
(NLF)! They are well trained and come complete with the best gimmicks
money can buy-smiles, charisma, convincing sincerity and so on-the options
are limited by your imagination only. In a nutshell, they are programmed
to work hard for the master's interest, while pretending to work for yours
and mine, their own brothers and sisters. We will give the benefit of the
doubt to those who didn't realize they were being put In a cookie mold.
So, not all Negro leaders have these deliberate Intentions, but the
effects are the same. There are several institutions in the business of
making Negro leaders, none of which are owned by Negroes or at least
financially independent. There are numerous development programs, all
funded by wealthy foundations, which means they control the direction and
points of view.. HE WHO PAYS THE BILLS CALL THE TUNES. Every institution
that America has set up was set up to produce a Negro. These are rooted
in American values and are incapable of making Black men and women. One
Institution that classifies right away is the public education system,
which is little more than therapy today. European education does not
nurture Black children, it trains them to be more willing servants in an
oppressive society. The effect of that training Is wearing off now with
each generation and many now rebelling. The public system Is really not
set up to educate white children either. It Is more therapy and less and
less academics. Soon it will not be a school. It will be a complete child
therapy clinic. Many Negroes and so-called leaders emerge from such
establishments as Harvard, Princeton, Howard, Spelman, Morehouse, Yale,
etc. Black men and women are produced only as a consequence of their own
ambition for independent or extra curricular study. If there were Black
men and women coming through these Institutions, they would be able to
control what goes on In their own community and not run to the suburbs.
Moreover, they would have the desire and capability to build a highly
productive Black community. There are not enough Black people. However,
there are too many negroes. So they ask us to give generously to the
United Negro College Fund because a "Negro’s" mind is a terrible thing to
waste.
In the last issue we discussed the General Education Board that was set up
by John D. Rockefeller to finance Negro schools. Also to train a class of
Negroes to become leaders of their race (puppet leaders). The General
Education Board evolved into what we know today as the Rockefeller
Foundation, which still finances Black schools and education in general
and is still producing Negroes and Negro leaders. Some of it's satellite
institutions: Clark, VSU, Fisk, Howard, Talledega, Moorehouse, Tuskegee
and Spelman which was named after his grandmother Laura Spelmen
Rockefeller, he financed all the Negro schools after the Freedman's Bureau
and the breakdown of reconstruction. Andrew Carnegie of the well known
Carnegie corp. and it's many foundations actually inspired Rockefeller in
that direction and they have controlled Negroes since that time. As a
matter of fact those two foundations and the many spin--off agencies they
own control public education.....period.
The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching (CFAT) owns the
Educational Testing Service (ETS) out of Princeton N.J., which is the
source of this countries Scholastic Aptitude Tests (SAT) and the National
Teacher Examinations on state and federal levels.
It is also interesting to note Carnegie and Rockefeller involvement in the
creation of birth control and population control. Both financed, the
sterilization campaign, particularly of Blacks, of Margaret Sanger's Race
Betterment Association which is now called Planned Parenthood.
Rockefeller also created the Population Council that seeks to limit the
birth of Blacks. The Population Council is the supplier of Norplant to
Planned Parenthood. Margaret Sanger was a junkie hooked on demoral for
many years, should she have been aborted? David Rockefeller is the modern
day holder of the Rockefeller empire that has nations, governments and
continents under it's power including. America. David created the
Trilateral Commission to control economic world power and also runs the
influence and elite Council on Foreign Relations. Which from time to time
will select a Negro to be a member so they can spread their ideas among
Blacks and influence Blacks into the direction they desire. These Negro
leaders get paid pretty good for this, Negroes have to prove that they
will protect the white establishment interest first before they, can trust
him or her. The CFR is the main instrument that has influenced America in
the pitiful condition that its in. CFR activities are not well known
especially in the Black community because Negro leaders are told not to
talk about it. It is the source of policies that continue the poverty and
oppression that we experience everyday. And the Negro leaders in front of
us are there because they're bought and paid for not to say anything but
the same old song. The Negroes that are selected are from the schools
Rockefeller made to produce Negroes who only want material wealth. (read
Rockefeller Medicine Men") They are also usually members of fraternities
(Black Greeks) Sigma Pi PHI being the oldest and most prominent. Sigma Pi
Phi or Boule have a history of cooperation with these elite forces and
have long sought inclusion in those circles . ("Aristocrats of Color",
Willard Gatewood pg. 234) The Boule also have a history of involvement in
Military Intelligence supplying them information on potential so-called
trouble makers in the Black community. Also our activities and state of
rebellion against this oppressive society so they know how much more dope
to put in our community.
Starting in 1917, with the appointment of Emmett Scott (Boule) as special
asst. to secretary of war Newton D. Baker (CFR), Scott held the highest
office for Blacks at that time. Scott was referred in Aug., 1917 by
Tuskegee principal Robert R. Moton (Boule) who had also been advising the
war dept., about the Black community. ("American Negro in the world War"
Emmett Scott), Moton was sent to France during WW I to calm emotions and
dissatisfaction among Black soldiers, many of whom did not want to want to
return to the U.S., because they were treated with respect by the French
while we were still being lynched in the U.S. Emmett Scott also served
that function in the U.S., to build patriotism in Blacks to help, America
win the war.
WEB Dubois (Boule) was offered a position in Military intelligence from
Joel Spingam, a wealthy Jewish man (white) who was the chairman of the
NAACP and also a Major in Military Intelligence and spied on the NAACP for
over thirty years. The NAACP award is named after him. (Journal of
American History, June 1992 pg. 96) Spingarn had the idea of toning down
the militancy of the Black Press which attacked American hypocrisy for
asking Blacks to fight for democracy in the war while they had none in the
United States. Spingarn through Emmett Scott called in the Major editors,
publishegot his approval from Military Intelligence to form a Black
Counterintelligence system June 1918, that system still exist. Spingarn
opened a separate office in Washington to begin staffing the Negro spy
system. (MI-4 Negro Subversion Unit) There is a Negro leaders monitoring
group called the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. (JCPES)
This group, commissioned by the Rockefeller Foundation, compiles
information on the Negro leaders, that they undoubtedly made, to made sure
the Negroes aren't becoming Black men. Information is gathered on their
personal interests, professional activities, their current level of
involvement with Africa, and their views on Blacks in America loyalty to
Africa. JCPES is headed by Eddie N. Williams (Boule President & CFR
member); Walter C. Carrington (CFR) is consultant on international
affairs; David Rockefeller's reason for the project he says is to give "A
greater voice for Africa" and "explore why Africa doesn't figure
prominently in U.S. foreign policy. I'm sure Mr.Rockefeller is well aware
of the strategic importance of Africa and it's mineral wealth being key to
global power beyond the year 2000.
Rockefeller's vast control of corporations, foundations, education and
banking has set up a network of leadership development programs (Negro
Leadership factories) to maintain control and increase his power in
assets. Now his Negroes have been assigned to Africa to fulfill the
people's desire for leadership thought the people are unaware that these
leaders are paid agents of the wealthy just like in the U.S.
Free elections in South Africa? This reminds me of the Michael Jordan
Larry Bird commercial where Michael is eating a Bigmack and Bird says I'll
play you for that sandwich---nothing but net right! But a better analysis
of this bet one must consider, what does Michael get if he wins the bet?
It's his sandwich! So as it is in South Africa we are voting for our own
sandwich. Once again a more careful analysis is very revealing, In 1928
the Congressional Record vol. 103; pt.7 pg.8559 reveals the Comintern of
the communist party agenda, "A Racial Program for the 20th Century", we
quote from that document: "we must realize that our party's most powerful
weapon is racial tension, By propounding into the consciousness of the
dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can
mold them to the program of the communist party. We will aid the Negro to
rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions, in the world
of sports and entertainment." In another statement by the party reveals,
"The extent to which the party succeeds in developing a strong
revolutionary movement in the U.S., it would be also able to exert a
decisive influence upon the revolutionary movement of Negroes in all parts
of the world."
Question: Is communism/socialism a movement of the oppressed
masses rising up against the exploiting capitalists? Answer: No.
So then the question becomes; Could communism/socialism ever have
survived without the financial assistance of westerng business with South
Africa as well as to promote trade and debt-releif. The meeting was
sponsored by the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and the
Carnegie Foundation. Leon Sullivan is a director of the Ford Foundation,
Ford has merged with the Anglo-American Corp., which was created by a Jew
named Ernest Oppenheimer with financing from J. P. Morgan to monopolize
the diamond mines in South Africa inheriting control from Cecil Rhodes's
murderous exploits with Debeer's Consolidated Mines where millions of
Africans were slaughtered to establish the gold and diamond mines. It was
Sullivan who supposedly initiated sanctions against South Africa among
U.S. Corporations. This was followed by the "Commonwealth Group", out of
the Nassau conference, 7 Prominent persons to encourage political dialogue
with the goal to establish a "non-racial" representative government
Margaret Thatcher persuaded P.W. Botha to allow the group to travel freely
in South Africa, It was this group that decided to promote Nelson Mandela
as the focal point of the struggle when they realized he was the key to
any settlement in negotiations, and had several private meetings with him
in his cell. Then his release would initiate the process of negotiations
towards a settlement. Two significant members of the Commonwealth Group
of the wealthy, Dame Nita Barrow-Pres. of World Council of Churches(WCC)
and Gen.Olusegun Obasanjo-former Nigerian Head of State who it is said
enjoyed "unusual respect" in Europe and America, The book "Black and Gold"
by Anthony Sampson provides an excellent analysis.
The WCC which has notorious historical communist leaning, has an affiliate
in the U.S. called the Nation al Council of Churches. In June of 1963
police arrested a young whiteman in Wilmington, N.C. named David Jones
considered a racial agitator leading negroes in militant demonstrations.
He had only lived there for 6 months, Upon his arrest they found in his
pocket an uncashed check from the NCC for $339.00 dated June 20 made out
to Mr. Jones with a memo saying: "Grant for student participating in
interracial ministry program". He was sent by the NCC to serve as "intern
pastor" at the Negro Gregory Congregational Church on Nun St., in
Wilmington. The NCC had developed training facilities in various locations
to carry out it mission of "forced integration". Recruiting and training
was conducted and financed by the NCC at the Western College for Women at
Oxford, Ohio for a program called the "Summer Project" under an NCC grant
of $ 50,000.00. Of the graduates, 15 were specially selected to go to
Mississippi at a salary of $10,000 each with $150,000 bail insurance
included. Among them were such notables as Marian Wright Edleman(CFR) and
Julian Bond. They also established "Freedom Schools" to teach Negroes to
think critically and to train "a new generation of Negro leadership", said
Donna Moses of the Council of the Federated Organizations of the NCC.
Marian Wright Edelman still advocates the "Freedom schools" through the
Black Community Crusade for Children(BCCC) as well as 100% immunization
for children
---------------------------- Sources ----------------------------------
(Voice Oct. 27-Nov. 2 1993 & Rich. News Leader Nov. 7,1963)
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:29:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
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Buharry, you wrote:
> To me, America and Bill Clinton are as dictatorial as those they paint
> as dictators (Saddam, Castro, Gaddafi etc.).
Do you really mean that????????????
I am flabbergasted!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, I find it funny too :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))).
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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PS
Say HELLO to the family for me.
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:29:44 -0500
From: "Katim S. Touray" <dekat@itis.com>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: New Member
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Hi folks,
this is to inform you that i've subscribed our newest member to Gambia-L.
he is Michael McLain, and i would leave it to him to send in a brief intro
to the list.
have a great week!
Katim
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:06:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: badjie karafa sw <badjiek@unixg.ubc.ca>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Subscriber
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Hi folks !
kindly add my cousine Bakary Gibba to the list. His e-mail account is
bgibba@interlog.com
Thanks
Karafa Badjie
Dept. of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine
Faculty of Medicine
UBC
@e,
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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:06:20 -0500
From: Francis Njie <c3p0@xsite.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: fyi (Government theft & popular apathy)
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LatJor, please excuse the delay. Life's been terribly busy of late.
I couldn't find my original posting on this matter. In any case, it was
essentially a suggestion for further research on the feasibility and
efficacy of such a petition.
I could have taken up the effort back then with the right support. However,
it's been about a year and I have moved on to other things-- The little
time I have outside of work these days is taken up by other volunteer work.
I would however give as much help as I can (especially if petition
"signatures" can be submitted electronically) to any of the other 260
members of gambia-l that decide(s) to take this up...
- Francis
At 01:54 AM 9/30/97 -0400, LatJor wrote:
>Interested but need to be refreshed as to the what/why/how
>of this issue.
>
>LatJor
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:14:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Colonialism and the Council of Foreign Relations
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Here is another interesting article.
Peace!
Moe S. Jallow
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COLONIALISM AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
author unknown
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Many opinions have been given on current activities in Rwanda, Haiti and
elsewhere from both black and white people. Few however, have a focus on
the perpetrators who have engineered yet another slaughter in a continuous
line of murder and genocide of African people. To say it's European
Imperialism is true but too vague, to say it's the U.S. Government is too
vague, you must have a name of who's in control, their agenda from their
own words that matches their capability to execute their plans, and a
theory of their use and source of power. Otherwise you end up in a
hypothetical fight against "the system" which will never amount to a
conclusion. Attacking a system is a defeated cause since the system comes
from the minds of wealthy white men who are in fact international bankers.
It's like wiping your nose because you have the flu which just gets worse
because haven't attacked the virus,you merely attacked the symptom caused
by the virus. The devious minds and behaviour of the wealthy and the
powerful have been like a virus - not a cancer - in the lives of African
people.
One reason why African leaders in Africa or America don't point out the
wealthy whites is because they are financed by the very perpetrators of
our own genocide. In that sense, Black leaders and organizations are
united in their agreement not to name the rich whites .
Zbigniew Brzeznski, a Council on Foreign Relations(CFR) member and
Trilateral Commission(TC) executive member (and co-founder), formerly U.S.
assistant to the president on National Security Affairs during the Carter
Administration, in his book "Out of Control" revealed how the wealthy have
so altered the concept of God and religion that they have separated the
equation of how to believe in God and fight the rich who created the
system that opposes God. He states" religious people are driven by the
imperitives of reality to make their accomodations with the powerful and
the rich, in spite of themselves, have become reinforcements of the status
quo".
In the case of Rwanda and Africa in general, the wealthy white minority
would like to continue to control the wealth of the land of the Black
majority and it's ever growing population beyond the year 2000. So
starvation and famine is the plan, created by pulling out money and
resources and the inability to pay off monsterous interest on loans from
the IMF(International Monetary Fund) and the World Bank. Financing and
staging coupes to cause fighting and civil war, then the military is sent
in to make peace or "peace keeping" by the United Nations(UN) which
results in military occupation or colonialism.
Foreign policy is determined by the Council on Foreign Relations which
runs the State Department behind the scenes. The CFR, which is chaired by
the Rockefeller family, was responsible for developing the United Nations
from which the wealthy will run their World Government. The president of
the CFR is Leslie Gelb also a Trilateralist; the chairman is Peter G.
Peterson, formerly of the Wall St. banking firm Khun, Loeb & Co.; it is
overseen by the Honorary Cahairman who is David Rockefeller of
Chase-Manhattan Bank. The Rockefellers of the U.S., the Rothschilds of
Europe, and the Oppenheimers of the South African diamond mines are the
most powerful identifiable families in the world. They work together and
they have used their power to rape and loot the Earth for their own greed.
They take great pleasure in killing as many Africans as possible to
maintain rulership. These people own continents and run Governments,
including the U.S., so Rockefeller uses the CFR to run and control his
empire all the way up to the president, Bill Clinton(CFR)(TC) also a
Rhodes scholar, who is breaking his neck to feed American people
Rockefellers policy of change which means tighter control.
In Dec. 9,1950 Chicago Tribune it says that the CFR members "are persons
of more than average influence in the community. They have used the
prestige of their wealth, social positions, and their education to lead
their country toward bankrupcy and military debacle. They should look at
their hands. There is blood on them -the dried blood of the last war and
the fresh blood of the present one."(the Korean war at that time)
Paul Nitze(CFR) of the School of Advanced International Studies, in the
April 10,1990 Wall St. Journal said, "The State Dept. and the White House
might conduct diplomacy in peace and raise and command armies in war, but
policy was made by serious people, men with a larger view, i.e. the great
men of finance and their advisors."
In the Foreign Affairs, the magazine of the CFR, Dec.12,1992 in an article
called "Retreat from Africa", written by Marguerite Michaels, a White
woman, who is the Nairobi Bureau Chief for Time magzine and an Edward R.
Murrow Fellow of the CFR, said that in Africa the "situation would be so
dire that an American diplomat said in 5 years Africans will be begging to
be recolonized. " And further more" What really needs to be done is to
fence off Africa, regionalize it's various economies and oversee it's
Government structure for the next 50 years."
Let's go to Foreign Policy magazine of the Carnegie Insitute, another CFR
satelite, Fall 1992 to an article called "Enlarging the Zone of Peace", it
says "many African states will continue to be specters at the feast". And
"economic assistance to poor countries will be palative not curative".
That's like puting a band-aid on an amputated hand. Or like Malcom X said,
only pulling the knife half way out of my back. Palative not curative.
The CFR gets financing from the 3 major foundations, the Rockefeller
Foundation, the Carnegie Foundation, and the Ford Foundation which
finances the NAACP. You get the money only if you go along with the
palative not curative principle.
The CFR has been involved with the NAACP for many years. CFR members
such as Felix Frankfurter was the attorney for the NAACP for 10 years.
Other CFR members who were officials of the NAACP included Ralph Bunche,
Noman Cousins, Lewis Gannet, John Hammond, Herbert Lehman, and Ben Hooks.
A who's who of Negro leadership in the CFR includes: Jessie Jackson,
Randall Robinson, Kurt Schmoke, Andrew Young, Elenore-Holmes Norton,
Marion Wright-Edleman, Ron Brown, Tom Bradley, Mary Francis-Berry, Vernon
Jordon, and Hugh Price the recently "selected Pres. of the Urban League
who is also a vice Pres. of the Rockefeller Foundation."
The CFR is so powerful that it has Corporate memberships, as in Dow
Jones, Du Pont, Ford, Sony, IBM, AT&T and the New York Times to name a
few.(CFR Annual Report 1993)
The N.Y. Times 4/17/93 article "Colonialism is Back", says "let's face it
some countries are not fit to Govern themselves". And that colonialism "is
the only way out of Africa's present misery and should be colonized for 50
to 100 years and subjected to supervision of the U.N. Security Council".
The CFR helped create the United Nations in 1945 after the U.S. rejected
the wealthy's proposal of World Government under the name of the League of
Nations at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 after WW1. The CFR was
organized at that time by the wealthy to influence U.S. Policy into
accepting a World Government under a new name, the United Nations.
In the book the "Imperial Brain Trust" by Schrupe and Minter in the
chapter "the Council and the Origin of the U.N.", outlined the CFR role in
organizing the U.N. The authers are graduate students from Northwestern
University who got their doctorate degree on this very thesis paper; that
the U.N. was a policy decision of the Council On Foreign Relations. That
lines up with what Peter G. Peterson(CFR chairman) said, that the CFR
"plays a leadership role" in defining foreign policy agenda, the root
causes of these profound forces". (CFR is a non-governmental group with
high dominating memberships in government)
Leaders of Nations annually attend CFR meetings and are told how to run
the various Governments, which explains why the world is suffering more
and more. Speaking to the CFR on how well they understood what understood
what they were supposed to has included such notables as : W.E.B.
Dubois(the first Black man), Fidel Castro, Pres. Fredrick Chiluba of
Zambia on 11/11/92 and Pres. Jean-Bertrand Aristide of Haiti on 12/16/92,
apparently he was convinced into playing ball in order to be reinstalled
in Haiti.
Rwanda is the most densely populated area in Africa per square mile as
well as the smallest in size, giving it the highest fertility rate! The
U.N. is embarking on a depopulation project of all Black countries along
with the U.S. policy National Security Study Memorandum 200(NSSM-200): "
Implications of World Wide Population Growth for U.S. Security and
Overseas Interests" 12/10/74 drafted by Henry Kissinger, George Bush,
Brent Scowcroft and former Sec. of State James Baker, (all CFR members),
which claims that certain 3rd world countries (all Black) pose a political
and security risk to the U.S. because of it's population level and should
be depopulated (=Genocide).
Nigeria, on the NSSM list for extermination, has the 2nd highest
population level behind Rwanda and much larger in size appears to next if
we have correctly identified the genocidal formula. Besides Nigeria and
Rwanda, the rest of Africa has relatively few people per square mile in
comparison to Europe. Though dark people are 85% of the worlds population.
The murderous Global 2000 plan drafted by CFR member James Gustave Speth
of the U.N. Developement Program, which planned to eliminate 3 billion
people by the year 2000, was announced July 24,1980 by then CFR Sec. of
State Edmund Muskie. With the World Bank and the IMF bankrupting and
extortion policies together with the U.N. military force, the CFR has a
two-punch combination genocidal plan for World Government. The financial
plans for controling world finances was set up at Bretton Woods,N.H. in
July 1944 creating the World Bank and IMF one year before the founding
United Nations conference in San Francisco in 1945.
At the same time Black people are being proded to accept white financed
Negro leadership. TransAfrica headed by CFR member and Rockefeller
trustee, Randall Robinson, lobbies on behalf of Africa for David
Rockefeller who created TransAfrica. Now there is another Rockefeller
offshoot of TransAfrica, with the help of CFR and Boule' member Rev. Leon
Sullivan, called the Constituency For Africa(CFA). The CFA is presently
headed by CFR-Trilateral Commission-Boule' member Andrew Young.
Africares, another dept. of TransAfrica, recently appointed to it's board
of directors from Richmond, Boule' members Doug Wilder and Earl Graves, as
well as AKA member Janet Ballard who is also with the OAU.
The CFA, TransAfrica, and Africares is financed by the Rockefellers
through the Ford Foundation, Carnegie Foundation and Rockefeller
Foundation. These wealthy white foundations also financed the so-called
summitt in Gabon, Africa of African leaders from America. Question?: Can
the very financers of our destruction, finance our freedom and liberation?
Somehow I doubt it. You can be sure that anything the superwealthy are
funding supposedly for us, will be paltive not curative.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:09:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mbk007@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
Message-ID: <971013010943_590551440@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Hello Gambians, and all Gambia-L members,
On
behalf of Ousman Jallow and his family, am sorry to announce the death of
their brother the late Abdou Jallow (may his soul rest in peace) who was
killed in a car crash on Thursday, 10/09/97 in Detroit. The Jallow family is
from Basse Santa -Su, but Abdou and his two brothers Ousman and Sulayman have
been living in the U.S for the last few years.
As all families wish, Ousman and his brother Saulayman would like to send
their brothers' remains back to his family. During this hard times emotional
and financial support is needed from anybody who can offer it.
The brothers are trying to send the body within a week, so if you can offer
help of any nature please contact Ousman Jallow at (913) 362-5082. Donations
to help transport the body can be mailed to:
Ousman Jallow
301 North 70th Terrace
Apt # 936
Kansas City, KS 66112
Thanks yours,
M. B. Krubally.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:39:03 PDT
From: "Jobst Münderlein" <joppl@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: member list
Message-ID: <19971013083903.5077.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
please do send me a member list if possible. I keep receiving back my
mails how come
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:41:52 -0400
From: Laura Munzel <lem10@columbia.edu>
To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: SV: SV: (PART3) THE CANCER OF LANGUAGE AND TRBE IN AFRICA
Message-ID: <33CD6A50.27851D36@columbia.edu>
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Dear Momodou: Thanks for your response! I am neither a fan of
Eurocentrism nor Afrocentrism. As you say, they are two sides of the
same coin.
"Societies rise and fall, and rise again: Rome, China, Egypt, Abyssinia
(Ethiopia), Ghana, Turkey (Ottoman empire), Britain, etc. In that sense
development is cyclical?"
However, knowledge, especially scientific knowledge, has gradually made
the lives of more and more people healthier and happier: less deaths at
birth, increased life expectancy,and the capacity to experience more of
the world, in general. And unless we argue that in spite of its strides,
even scientific progress is fraught with an in-built self-destructive
mechanism- nuclear weapons, unethical genetics - one should maintain
that this progress in linear. The difficulty lies, I believe, in making
a distinction between what can be alluded to as societal development,
and scientific progress. The former, generally ruled by men's beliefs,
fears, and passions, while the latter ruled generally by concrete
testable and falsifiable knowledge.
The moral indignation I feel against cannibalism has three sources,
namely: the growth of religious belief, scientific progress, and a
democratic outlook. It seems to me that most people would consider
cannibalism backward, and living in trees primitive; and that the
majority of people in the world would prefer living in Boston rather
than in the jungles of Irian Jaya. Unless you explain, perhaps, what you
mean by societal development (in case I am misunderstanding you), I do
not quite see what parameters a scientific proof here should consist of.
I beg your pardon for the tardy response.
Best regards,
Momodou.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:04:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Export of renovated used tractors and motor vehicles to Africa (fwd)
Message-ID: <9710131404.AA62240@st6000.sct.edu>
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Subject: Export of renovated used tractors and motor vehicles to Africa (fwd)
To: mjallow (Modou Jallow)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:59:31 -0400 (EDT)
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Forwarded message:
>
> I am a British Citizen who formerly worked for ten years as a Lecturer in
> Agricultural Engineering in various universities in Eastern Africa. As a
> result of this and other work experience in Africa, I am familiar with most
> African farming conditions, and agricultural mechanisation problems. I am
> also married to a Tanzanian. I try to maintain contacts with Africa and
> have a limited knowledge of Swahili.
>
> I am now the director and owner of a British company, Rover International
> Limited, specialising in the renovation and export of used tractors to
> Africa. We concentrate mainly on Massey Ferguson tractors although we can
> supply almost any make and model. All tractors are thoroughly checked and
> repaired as necessary by a qualified engineer. Prices start from 2800
> pounds sterling.
>
> Although tractors are our main business, we also have experience of
> renovating and supplying motor vehicles including cars, pickups,
> minibuses and Land Rovers
>
> If you would like any further information, I can be contacted as indicated
> below:
>
> Email: johnd@patrol.i-way.co.uk
> World Wide Web: http://www.i-way.co.uk/~johnd/
> Fax: + 44 118 9540348 (0118 9540348 within UK)
> Tel: + 44 118 9540377 (0118 9540377 within UK)
> Tel (outside office hours)
> + 44 118 9618261 (0118 9618261 within UK)
> Postal Address:
> John Dumelow
> Director
> Rover International Limited
> 112 Loddon Bridge Road
> Woodley
> Reading
> Berkshire
> RG5 4AW
> UK
>
> Regards
>
> John Dumelow
> Director
> Rover International Limited
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:22:20 +0000
From: "<WENDELA@COMMIT.GM>" <gambia-l@commit.gm>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <v01510103b067cfd09cf5@[149.212.100.74]>
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Sent by wendela@commit.gm (Wendela Van Bilderbeek)
via Commit
>Momodou Sallah, Pa M.M.Njie Executive director of Meridien Bank,
>Wendela Van Bilderbeek,and Jim Swetz of the Banjul American Embassy
>School have all been added to the Gambia-L shadow list through
>Commit. We welcome them to Gambia-l and look forward to their
>contributions.
>
>You can send your introductions to gambia-l@u.washington.edu
>
>regards
>Momodou Camara
Hello everybody,
I am Wendela (a Hollandese is how they call me here in the gambia). I
subsribed to the list out of curiosity. Always interested in gambian
affairs. I am living in the gambia but to get up to dated is not easy here.
Let me be a member for a while and see what will come to my screen. Bye
Thanks.
wendela
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:24:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: To List Administrator: GAMBIA-L
Message-ID: <9710131424.AA31930@st6000.sct.edu>
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List Administrator,
Please help me make sense out of this:
Every time I send a message to Gambia-L, I get an error message sent back
to me with the following information below. I have contacted my system
administrator and he said that he will look into it. I am getting many
postings of the same error message. Is there anything that can be done
about this? I would hate to think that my only solution would be to
unsubscribe.
Thank you.
The error message follows below:
Note that there are two error messages (user unknown type error) that were
generated from:
FCJallow and m.jawara
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From: "mjallow@st6000.sct.edu"
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 17:48:53 +0000
Subject: Re: GAMBIA: 204 "Lucky" DV '98 winners
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 13:25:31 +0000
Subject: Any Gambia-Lers in France???
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:39:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
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My heart goes out to Mr. Ousman Jallow and the Jallow family for the
tragic death and loss of their son/brother, Abdou Jallow.
MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PERFECT PEACE
AMEN
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
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PS
Please, let us ALL help in any way we can, no matter how little we can
afford.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:57:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: To List Administrator: GAMBIA-L
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Gambia-Lers,
I apologize for sending the "error message" message to the entire list. It
was meant to go ONLY to the list administrators:
Tony Loum and Abdou Touray.
My apologies, once again.
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
==========================================================================
mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 11:00:36 EDT
From: Mamadi Corra <MKCORRA@VM.SC.EDU>
To: Gambia-L <GAMBIA-L@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: condolence
Message-ID: <199710131510.IAA01402@mx4.u.washington.edu>
My heart and deepest condolence go to the Jallow family. Death is a reality of
life, however, when it happens in such a tragic way to a young man away from,
it is devastating. I am sure every one of us is sadened by the news of Mr. Jal
low's untimely death! I personally express my sadness. The Jallow family, ple
ase accept my sympathy. May the deceased's soul rest in perfect peace
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:12:50 -0400
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: FW: Error Condition Re: RE: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMO
TE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
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> ----------
> From:
> listproc@u.washington.edu[SMTP:listproc@u.washington.edu]
> Reply To: listproc@u.washington.edu
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 7:14 AM
> To: Ceesay_Soffie@PRC.COM
> Cc: tloum@u.washington.edu; at137@columbia.edu; dekat@itis.com
> Subject: Error Condition Re: RE: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO
> PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
>
>
> > Military intervention? Yes .It has been used countless times to
> > restore peace and democracy in a lot of places in the world.Most
> > recently Bosnia and Haiti. I think only military might could
> > eradicate some of our dictarors.
> > Your consent?
> >
> The trend has been that the mighty military become the mighty dictator
> after sampling the loot taken from the very people they purport to be
> saving. Countless examples abound - Gambia, Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra
> Leone - what we lack are LEADERS who do not put self first.
>
> Soffie
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:41:45 -0700
From: Lamin Camara <kidrass@ica.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Condolence
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My heartfelt condolence goes to: the Jallow family, for the tragic death
of their loved one (Abdou Jallow). May Allah grant the deceased Jannat,
Amin!
Lamin Camara.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:07:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "N'Deye Marie" <njie.1@osu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: HNS Engineering Job Opportunities (fwd)
Message-ID: <199710131807.OAA20652@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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>
>>>HNS is looking for students to fill permanent positions in the following
>>>areas:
>>>
>>>Hardware Engineering (Positions in Germantown, MD & San Diego, CA):
>>>- Digital Hardware Design, Analog Hardware Design, Communications Theory,
>>>VLSI/ASIC Design (Analog/Digital CMOS, Semiconductor Physics), Digital
>>>Signal Processing (Theory/Architecture), Modulation/Synthesizer Design,
>>>Channel Coding Theory, Data Communications.
>>>
>>>Software Engineering (Positions in Germantown, MD & San Diego, CA):
>>>- Software subsystem validation testing, release testing; Embedded, real
>>>time software unit development; Network management system unit development;
>>>Software technology tool evaluation, selection, testing; Customer product
>>>support. Specific platforms in use at HNS include: HP/UX, SUN/UNIX, Intel
>>>80X86 microprocessors, i960 RISC, C, C++, UNIX, PASCAL, Ingress (RDBMS),
>>>DEC VAX/VMS workstations.
>>>
>>>Satellite Networks Division Engineering (Positions in Germantown, MD):
>>>-Project Engineers - work directly with our program managers to satisfy the
>>>post-sales technical requirements. They provide both system engineering
>>>and long-term technical support. Activities include defining the system
>>>design, traffic engineering, providing technical direction to vendors,
>>>customer acceptance, and application troubleshooting. Some travel
>>>required.
>>>-Applications Engineers - are an integral part of the marketing
>>>organization. They provide pre-sales technical support and proposal
>>>generation. Activities include satellite link analysis, traffic
>>>engineering, and systems engineering. The applications engineer ensures
>>>that the proposed design meets the requirements of the potential customer.
>>>Some travel required.
>>>
>>>Physical Design Engineering (Positions in Germantown, MD):
>>>- Mechanical Hardware Engineering (Development of module and equipment
>>>level electronic packaging solutions for HNS?s DirecTV, DSSPC, Cellular
>>>infrastructure and portable phone product lines.); Power Systems Hardware
>>>Engineering (Development of power systems for HNS?s DirecTV, DirecPC,
>>>Personal/Telephony Earth Station and Cellular products lines.); Agency
>>>Certification Hardware Engineering (Design, analysis and development of
>>>hardware for satellite and digital cellular carrier systems as they relate
>>>to the agency certifications.).
>>>
>>>RF Engineering (Positions located in San Diego, CA):
>>>RF Design Engineers - develop leading-edge wireless telecommunication
>>>products and systems. Product areas include: advanced digital Specialized
>>>Mobile Radio (SMR) for voice and data applications, hand-held portable
>>>phones for dual-mode GSM and geosynchronous satellite communication
>>>systems, advanced digital cellular phones. Design UHF/VHF synthesizers,
>>>receivers, and transmitters at the component level. Individuals will be
>>>responsible for supervised high-level and low-level design and
>>>documentation, implementation, unit testing and integration with complex
>>>communication systems.
>>>
>>>DSP Engineering (Positions located in San Diego, CA):
>>>Systems Engineers - work with real-time embedded systems. The positions
>>>entail: systems analysis; FEC algorithms; and firmware development -
>>>speech, coding, modems, and forward error correction.
>>>
>>>HNS also offers summer internships in engineering and business areas.
>>>
>>>Please visit with us while we are on campus for more information. If you
>>>are unable to see us on campus and would like to apply for an interview or
>>>internship please send a resume to:
>>>
>>>Fax: 301-428-2833
>>>E-mail: staffing@notesgw.hns.com
>>>
>>>Corporate Staffing
>>>Hughes Network Systems
>>>11717 Exploration Lane
>>>Germantown MD 20876
>>>
>>>Hughes Network Systems
>>>Attn: HR
>>>10450 Pacific Center Court
>>>San Diego, CA 92121
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Joy Laskar
>>Assistant Professor
>>School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
>>777 Atlantic Drive
>>Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
>>
>>Office: 404-894-5268
>>Fax: 404-894-0222
>>email: joy.laskar@ece.gatech.edu
>>
>
>***************
>Jackie Nemeth
>Georgia Institute of Technology
>School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Room E276
>Atlanta, GA 30332-0250
>Phone: (404) 894-2906
>Fax: (404) 894-4641
>Email: jackie.nemeth@ece.gatech.edu
>WWW: http://www.ece.gatech.edu/users/jnemeth/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:09:08 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "c:netscapeMAILSent"@smtp1.erols.com
Subject: Re: fyi (Government theft & popular apathy)
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Francis Njie wrote:
>
> LatJor, please excuse the delay. Life's been terribly busy of late.
>
> I couldn't find my original posting on this matter. In any case, it was
> essentially a suggestion for further research on the feasibility and
> efficacy of such a petition.
>
> I could have taken up the effort back then with the right support. However,
> it's been about a year and I have moved on to other things-- The little
> time I have outside of work these days is taken up by other volunteer work.
> I would however give as much help as I can (especially if petition
> "signatures" can be submitted electronically) to any of the other 260
> members of gambia-l that decide(s) to take this up...
>
> - Francis
>
> At 01:54 AM 9/30/97 -0400, LatJor wrote:
> >Interested but need to be refreshed as to the what/why/how
> >of this issue.
> >
> >LatJor
> >
> >
> >I am also interested especially on how we can sign on electronically on
the petition
Habib
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:22:31 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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Habib Ghanim wrote:
>
> Francis Njie wrote:
> >
> > LatJor, please excuse the delay. Life's been terribly busy of late.
> >
> > I couldn't find my original posting on this matter. In any case, it was
> > essentially a suggestion for further research on the feasibility and
> > efficacy of such a petition.
> >
> > I could have taken up the effort back then with the right support. However,
> > it's been about a year and I have moved on to other things-- The little
> > time I have outside of work these days is taken up by other volunteer work.
> > I would however give as much help as I can (especially if petition
> > "signatures" can be submitted electronically) to any of the other 260
> > members of gambia-l that decide(s) to take this up...
> >
> > - Francis
> >
> > At 01:54 AM 9/30/97 -0400, LatJor wrote:
> > >Interested but need to be refreshed as to the what/why/how
> > >of this issue.
> > >
> > >LatJor
> > >
> > >
> > >I am also interested especially on how we can sign on electronically on
> the petition
> Habibxx
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:13:35 -0700
From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
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Hi Moe!
Yes, I mean it. Try to look behind the facade created by media
propaganda. There you will find the dictatorial tendencies that have
characterised America=B4s actions both at home and on the international
scene. Would the following few examples fit the so called defender of
world freedom and democracy?
1)The continued imprisonment (up to 1990s and probably even up to now
because I don=B4t know what became of them) of some Black Panther members=
like Gary Rice and others whose names I have forgotten, who were framed
for bombing a house and killing a policeman who was in the house. The
trial was so cooked up that it could only have been with the intention
of neutralising them that they were found guilty. The main witness who
was a boy changed his story many times in court. He would say that the
Black Panther members were not responsible for the bombing in court in
the morning, come back in the afternoon all bruised up with swollen eyes
wearing dark shades and say they were responsible. The material evidence
has been proven to have been planted. They are (or were since the last
time I checked which was a few years back) still in prison. These are
those I know about. What about those I don=B4t know about? Shouldn=B4t Bi=
ll
Clinton free those political prisoners before sending Jesse Jackson
around the world to preach democracy which will definitely include
freeing political prisoners.
2) The bombing by a city (I can=B4t recall which because it has been some=
time since I saw the documentary and I did not record it) police force
(and I=B4m not sure if the FBI was involved) of a black movement in a
building using helicopter gunships and other heavy weapons.
3) The continued "imprisonment" of Indians in reserves.
4) The FBI=B4s calculated involvement in supplying drugs in black
neighbourhoods. Isn=B4t that genocide?
5) The daily brutalisation of thousands of black people by the police in
countless cities in the US. Don=B4t they have rights?
6) Going all the way to Panama and kidnapping Noriega.
7) Bombing Irak and killing innocent civilians because Iraki agents were
accused of plotting to kill George Bush. How many leaders did the CIA
kill? How about the plots to kill Castro? Remember the poisoned pen? Did
anyone bomb Washington?
8) The continued blockade of Cuba. If not trying to dictate the type of
leader, government system etc. that should be in place in Cuba, how else
can it be justified?
9) Putting sanctions on Libya in an effort to force it to hand over
suspects in the Lockerbie bombing. Suspects who others have proven
innocent. Would America hand over its citizens to stand trial in Libya
for for example, bombing raids carried out against Tripoli? Gaddafi has
offered to hand the suspects over to a neutral land but the offer has
been rejected. Why was the Oklahoma City bombing trial moved from the
city? Because the suspects could not get a fair trial there. Do you
think the Libyans can get a free trial in the US or Scotland? If America
is a true believer in democracy, it would believe in democracy for ALL
people and not just Americans.
The list can go on and on. Maybe the list members don=B4t have the time
to read long posts but there are many more instances to quote. One thing
we have to realise is that America and the West control the media and
feed the rest of the world what they want them to believe. In this
connection, if America is telling us to be democratic, we have to
analyse America to make sure that it is democratic in the first place.
Afterall, charity begins at home. And home (America) has a very brutal
history. Remember the blankets infected with smallpox given to Indians
to wipe them out? Remember slavery? Remember the Tuskegee experiment?
Remember others? Who knows which ones are going on now and will be
revealed 30 years on. A democratic country shouldn=B4t do such things.To
end, I=B4ll quote Roy, an Indian who used to speak at Hyde Park. Even
though the quotation might be out of place, it is something worth
mentioning. He said: "America is the only country in the world to have
gone from barbarism to decadence without having gone through
civilisation". Maybe there is something in it. =
Buharry.
P.S.
You wrote:
> I am flabbergasted!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> And, I find it funny too :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))).
> =
D.S.
Why?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
Modou Jallow wrote:
> =
> Buharry, you wrote:
> =
> > To me, America and Bill Clinton are as dictatorial as those they pain=
t
> > as dictators (Saddam, Castro, Gaddafi etc.).
> =
> Do you really mean that????????????
> =
> I am flabbergasted!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> And, I find it funny too :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))).
> =
> Regards,
> =
> Moe S. Jallow
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
> PS
> Say HELLO to the family for me.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:56:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: The Beautiful English Language (fwd)
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Sounds too funny for me......
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:42:07 PDT
To: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
Subject: The Beautiful English Language
The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has
been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As
part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceeded that
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a
five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for
short).
In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c".
Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy.
Also, the hard "c will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up
konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the
troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like
"fotograf" 20 per sent shorter.
In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be
expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are
possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters,
which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is
disgrasful, and they would go.
By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing
"th" by z" and "w" by " v"
During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords
kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer
kombinations of leters.
After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no
mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech
ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru.
______________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:01:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: The Beautiful English Language (fwd)
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Moe:
I really do not see how this european effort to make 'inglish
mor palatabul to zeir politikal agenda' any different than
that of the proponents of 'ebonics'. As I recall, many on this
list made a total mockery of it. I wonder what their opinions
are with this europeanization of the 'kwiin's inglish'!
LatJor
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:47:21 -0400
From: "Pa-Mambuna O. Bojang" <paomar@iglou.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
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My Condolences to the Jallow family. Verily, every soul will perish, but
the dead of a loved one is always tragic. May Allah, the omnipotent, be
pleased with the late Abdou's soul; May He also guide the rest of us in
our desired aspirations to achieve our qualitative objectives and to die
in His path(amen)
Pa-Mambuna, Lexington
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:14:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: casa/religion/ethnicity
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Greetings:
In view of the escalation of the fighting in our backyard -
casamance - along with the rising number of deaths caused by
the fighting, coupled with the thousands of displaced people,
we will have to sooner or later start talking about some of
the fundamental issues surrounding this conflict.
While I am in agreement with Moe that we must offer solutions
to our many problems, it is important to first make an effort
to identify what the problems are and their causes. Only then,
having thouroughly discussed these in an open and frank manner,
can we begin to offer solutions. (I think Moe would be in
agreement with me on this.)
In a previous posting, Mr. Sidibeh, in calling for greater
discussion on this issue touched, in passing, on the increasing
involovement of religion in our political lives. On the
Casamance conflict, he rightly pointed out that the leader of
the Independence Movement is a catholic priest - Diamacoune.
But I wonder if by pointing out this fact one ought to draw the
conclusion that the MFDC is a christian movement. I am not
suggesting that this is what Mr. Sidibeh was alluding to,
however, the likelihood of one arriving at this conclusion
is certainly possible. I therefore want to focus my attention
in this piece on perceptions and how they may play a part in
the situation in casamance as well as among gambians.
I am not sure what the religious demographics of casamance is,
but more than just focusing on the fact that the leader is a
catholic, we should ask ourselves two important questions:
1. Does the movement/rebels identify with a particular religion?
( In this case roman catholicism) If so it would be reflected
in their political manifesto, press releases, statements,...
2. Does the rank and file of the movement/rebels consist
largely of members of a specific religious faith? (In this
case, roman catholicism) If so it would be reflected if not
from official government sources or news releases, at least
in the names of the growing number of casualties on the
movement's/rebels' side.
What I have read, from an interview that FOROYAA did a few years
ago,on the leader of the MFDC - Fr. Diamacoune - as well as news
sources posted either on this list in days gone by, or currently
on the 'Bush' list,christianity does not seem to be part their
standard. How else could one rationalize the fact the the number two
man of the MFDC, one Salif Sadio, or another top official, Mamadou
Sane,are all non-christians(at least as far as their names suggests?
Perhaps someone may have information leading to an opposite view
to mine. If so please share it with the rest of us.)
However, there is a perception that the casamance
conflict does involve the clashing of islam and christianity.
Especially since the leader happens to be a religious figure.
After all he is a catholic priest.
This strong perception, particularly from the northern part of
senegal (and gambia, perhaps?), where power over the entire country
truly lies, could play a significant role in the decision-making of
the senegalese government. The powerful islamic brotherhoods (Mourides,
Tarriqiyas, ...) that dominate the religious landscape of the
north which also have significant political clout makes this
possibility even more real. Note that I am speaking of perceptions
and their possible influence in the conflict.
Casamance is well known for its traditionalism. Indiginous
religions are widely practiced in this area among the Jola,
Manjak, Bassari, ... This has always been a bitter pill with
christian and islamic evangelists in our sub-region. Could this
fact have played a role in the decision-making of a
pre-dominantly islamic senegalese government? For while Abdou
Diouf is openly saying that his government is committed to a
peaceful resolution of the conflict,a few days later the
senegalese forces were reported to have attacked a rebel base.
Of course I am not trying to be an apologetic for the 'rebels'.
I am only focusing here on one side of the conflict - the
dominant side.
The ethnic make up of the casamance is actually similar to the
rest of the senegambia. The difference lies in the numbers.
While the north is significantly populated by wolof, lebu,serer, tukulor,
mandinka, the south is largely populated by the jola, manjak, bassari.
It is easy to see the ethnic tension that could be generated given that
the seat of government and all its main arteries are centralized in
the north. The ethnic mix as I pointed out above points the way to
conflict. In my view, this factor is of more value in our evaluation
of the conflict than to make it look like the south views religion
as a factor in their struggle. When we look at the family names of
the leaders of the MFDC, as well as the casualties reported on their
side, one quickly observes that the overwhelming number are jolas!
(Fr. Augustine Diamacoune - leader, Mamdou Nkrumah Sane - deputy leader,
Salif Sadio - 'hard line guerrilla chief', Sarani Manga Badian (Badjan)
- exec. committee member (killed), Edmond Bora - deputy leader
(defected to gambia), Edgar Diedhiou (Jarju) - killed, ...)
It matters not then whether the number one of the MFDC is a christian,
the number two is a muslim, and so on. Ethnicity seems to play a more
important role.
I will stop here to hear what others have to say. There are many issues
to examine. However taking one point at a time and clearing
mis-perceptions along the way is a necessary step.
Some of these issues are:
1) the reasons given by the MFDC for calling for and
fighting for casamance independence;
2) senegalese government's stance against any calls for transforming
the country's territorial integrity;
3) gambia's position and actions/non-actions, particularly in relation
to the escalation of fighting;
4) Other nation's (like france) and international orgs (u.n., o.a.u.,
ecowas,...) positions and diplomacies;
5) religious groups/leaders and their positions on the issue. E.g.
Cardinal Hyacinthe Thiandoum of the senegalese arch-diocese's position in favor
of 'territorial integrity and national unity';
6) what were the two sides talking about and why did it break down;
7) the continuing 'house arrest' of Fr. Diamacoune and its impact on the
talks (or lack of). Esp. judging from the hardline tone of Mamadou
Nkrumah Sane, number two man of the MFDC. According to him, since
Diamacoune is under 'house arrest', Diamacoune cannot speak for the
MFDC, and that all talks are currently taking place 'on the ground
through weapons'.
8) other important issues others on the list have which I have not
mentioned.
Folks, now that we are being kept abreast of developments on this
conflict (especially in the 'Bush'), we need to begin discussing
this issue in depth. The news forwards should serve more as a
backdrop for our discussions. Remember, this is a 'Discussion Group',
not a 'Silent Reading Group'!
As far as I am concern, our freedom in the gambia is being threatened
by the fighting south of our border. Judging from the heavy fire power
being brought to bear by the senegalese government (over 3000 troops,
new 105mm canons, ...), as well as the resolve of the MFDC to continue
their struggle 'on the ground through weapons' there certainly does
not seem to be an end to the fighting anytime soon.
Someone once stated that 'the price of freedom, is eternal vigilance'!
Let us not be found wanting in the latter when the former - our freedom-
is being threatened.
LatJor
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:20:40 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "c:netscapeMAILSent"@smtp1.erols.com
Subject: Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
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Modou Jallow wrote:
>
> My heart goes out to Mr. Ousman Jallow and the Jallow family for the
> tragic death and loss of their son/brother, Abdou Jallow.
>
> MAY HIS SOUL REST IN PERFECT PEACE
>
> AMEN
>
> Regards,
> Moe S. Jallow
>
> =======================================================================
> mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> PS
> Please, let us ALL help in any way we can, no matter how little we can
> afford.May Allah make his trip back as peaceful and merciful as possible. Amen
Question
Why do we have to take the body home ? It is much more expensive to
transport it back home than to bury here as required by the Holy Quran.
You get buried where ever you die and as soon as possible!!
I will help regardless .
Peace
Habib
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:23:12 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "c:netscapeMAILSent"@smtp1.erols.com
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Lamin Camara wrote:
>
> My heartfelt condolence goes to: the Jallow family, for the tragic death
> of their loved one (Abdou Jallow). May Allah grant the deceased Jannat,
> Amin!
>
> Lamin Camara.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> My heartfelt condolence goes to: the Jallow family, for the tragic
> death of their loved one (Abdou Jallow). May Allah grant the deceased
> Jannat, Amin!
>
> Lamin Camara.My sincere condolences to the Jallow family
Habib
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:27:27 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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<WENDELA@COMMIT.GM> wrote:
>
> Sent by wendela@commit.gm (Wendela Van Bilderbeek)
> via Commit
>
> >Momodou Sallah, Pa M.M.Njie Executive director of Meridien Bank,
> >Wendela Van Bilderbeek,and Jim Swetz of the Banjul American Embassy
> >School have all been added to the Gambia-L shadow list through
> >Commit. We welcome them to Gambia-l and look forward to their
> >contributions.
> >
> >You can send your introductions to gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> >
> >regards
> >Momodou Camara
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I am Wendela (a Hollandese is how they call me here in the gambia). I
> subsribed to the list out of curiosity. Always interested in gambian
> affairs. I am living in the gambia but to get up to dated is not easy here.
> Let me be a member for a while and see what will come to my screen. Bye
> Thanks.
>
> wendelaWelcome and we look foward to positive contributions for our mutual
benefits.
Peace
Habib
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:19:26 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
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BUHARRY!
ONCE AGAIN, VERY, VERY, VERY BRILLIANT. THE PROBLEM WITH "WE" AFRICANS IS,
WE ARE THE VERY ONES WHO AID AMERICA AND THE WEST IN ALL THEIR
PROPAGANDA.... TOO SAD. WE HAVE A VERY LONG WAY TO GO...BUT HEY, YOU STAY
AWAKE. WITH A BUNCH OF "US", THERE IS HOPE FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATION.
PS! JUST ONE MORE LITTLE "horom"... THOUGH NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY BUT
THE SAME AMERICAN/WESTERN MORALE: THE BAN ON LANDMINES, I BET IT WILL BECOME
AN ISSUE OF "HUMAN RIGHTS" WHEN AMERICA NO LONGER HAVE USE FOR THEM,AS SHE
CLEARLY INDICATED TO EVERYONE TO HEAR. THEY WILL THEN TURN TO PRESSURIZE
OTHERS WHO HAPPENS TO POSSESS LANDMINES. AND THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS, SOME
OF US WILL BE SUPPORTING THEIR COURSE.
YOU'VE SAID IT ALL, SO NO NEED TO GO FURTHER.
"...AND KEEP UP THE VERY GOOD WORK DOWN THERE"
Regards,
Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:39:29 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
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Correction, please!
At 09:19 14/10/97 +0100, I wrote:
"...PS! JUST ONE MORE LITTLE "horom"... THOUGH NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY BUT
>THE SAME AMERICAN/WESTERN MORALE:..."
I mean MORALS...not MORALE
Thanks for the patience.
Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:03:51 -0400
From: "Latir Downes-Thomas" <latir@earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: casa/religion/ethnicity
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From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 1:17 AM
Subject: casa/religion/ethnicity
>In view of the escalation of the fighting in our backyard -
>casamance - along with the rising number of deaths caused by
>the fighting, coupled with the thousands of displaced people,
>we will have to sooner or later start talking about some of
>the fundamental issues surrounding this conflict.
[snip]
>I am not sure what the religious demographics of casamance is,
>but more than just focusing on the fact that the leader is a
>catholic, we should ask ourselves two important questions:
>1. Does the movement/rebels identify with a particular religion?
> ( In this case roman catholicism) If so it would be reflected
> in their political manifesto, press releases, statements,...
I don't think it does. Perhaps someone more knowledge on the matter can
correct/affirm this but from what I know, religious affiliation among the
Jolas is not as profound or significant as it is with other groups in the
Senegambian region. Most Christian Jolas have many close relatives that are
Muslim and vice versa. I think they see themselves as Jola first and
Muslim/Christian secondly (a lesson , perhaps, that the rest of us may think
about learning).
>I will stop here to hear what others have to say. There are many issues
>to examine. However taking one point at a time and clearing
>mis-perceptions along the way is a necessary step.
>Some of these issues are:
>1) the reasons given by the MFDC for calling for and
> fighting for casamance independence;
For whatever their rhetoric, it is generally recognised that the underlying
reasons come from the fact that while the region has served as a major
bread-basket for the country because of its relatively rich resources, the
people of the region, whose make up as mentioned earlier is decidedly
different from the north, are not well represented in government, the
political power structure, et cetera, and are accordingly neglected in the
country's development.
>2) senegalese government's stance against any calls for transforming
> the country's territorial integrity;
I think it is pretty clear that the government has not and will not concede
any change in the country's territorial integrity. Any concession in favour
of the separatists, they seem to believe, could lead to the wakening of the
remaining country's overall economy.
>3) gambia's position and actions/non-actions, particularly in relation
> to the escalation of fighting;
Gambia has tried to remain, or at least gives the illusion of remaining,
neutral throughout which, I beleive, helps the Senegalese government's side
more because of the geographic make-up of the region. While I am not sure
about present policy, Senegalese troops have in the past been permitted to
go through Gambian borders for rapid-deployment from the north. It should be
noted that Guinea-Bissau has also taken the stance of neutrality, at least
lately. I think it was when relations between Senegal and Guinea-Bissau were
at their lowest that the separatist movement had their biggest successes and
it was after relations improved significantly that the separatists were
moved to making peace agreements.
>4) Other nation's (like france) and international orgs (u.n., o.a.u.,
> ecowas,...) positions and diplomacies;
France has tried to act as brokers of peace but without much effect. The
O.A.U and ECOWAS have traditionally stayed away from the domestic affairs of
it's member states, a policy that has only recently changes but since this
affair has been around for some time, to date their has been no real
intervention.
I don't remember the issue being brought up in any significant manner in the
U.N. as another country would have to do so.
>5) religious groups/leaders and their positions on the issue. E.g.
> Cardinal Hyacinthe Thiandoum of the senegalese arch-diocese's position in
> favor of 'territorial integrity and national unity';
The Cardinal's recent proclamations are somewhat unprecedented. The Church
in general and Arch-Diocese of Senegal in particular have always advocated a
peaceful resolution but have otherwise remained, or again given the illusion
of remaining, neutral.
>6) what were the two sides talking about and why did it break down;
I think the two sides just agreed to stop fighting and come to the table to
talk but the latter never really took place in any substantive form. Why,
the peace agreement actually broke down, I don't know but I would venture to
mention that perhaps the separatists used the cease-fire period to
regroup/recoup or perhaps there were rifts within the movement that
developed and caused the break down in talks, but this is more speculation
on my part than anything fact-based other than the fact that they do not
seem to be speaking with one voice now.
>7) the continuing 'house arrest' of Fr. Diamacoune and its impact on the
> talks (or lack of). Esp. judging from the hardline tone of Mamadou
> Nkrumah Sane, number two man of the MFDC. According to him, since
> Diamacoune is under 'house arrest', Diamacoune cannot speak for the
> MFDC, and that all talks are currently taking place 'on the ground
> through weapons'.
Again, this seems to only add to the lack of unity among the separatists
and, only naturally, create a "factionization" within the movement.
>8) other important issues others on the list have which I have not
> mentioned.
While Gambia must remain neutral we cannot continue with a
non-interventionist policy. For one, refugees from the region are
increasingly dripping into our country. Secondly, the government troops are
using the borders at Gambia and Guinea-Bissau as walls to trap and kill in
their military maneuvers. As this continues it is only natural that
eventually the wars will spill over into the neighbouring countries and the
respective governments will have little choice in being involved militarily.
The fact that Gambia effectively divides the country is all the more reason
why we must make ourselves a part of the overall solution to the
long-standing crisis. As I have mentioned earlier, I believe the most
effective one would be a resumption of talks and studies on a unified
economy/confederation where the Cassamence movement is allowed to play
party. I firmly believe that a win-win solution can be found that gives
Cassamance much more autonomy than already exists within a newly defined
confederation and where the trade disputes between Gambia and Senegal can
also be solved. While Gambia and Senegal would be the two principal states
within the new confederation, the Cassamance region could be given special
status giving them more autonomy while still preserving Senegal's national
integrity and while also allowing the people of Cassamence to have more of a
say in their development vis-a-vis the overall development scheme of the
newly-defined confederation.
>As far as I am concern, our freedom in the gambia is being threatened
>by the fighting south of our border. Judging from the heavy fire power
>being brought to bear by the senegalese government (over 3000 troops,
>new 105mm canons, ...), as well as the resolve of the MFDC to continue
>their struggle 'on the ground through weapons' there certainly does
>not seem to be an end to the fighting anytime soon.
>Someone once stated that 'the price of freedom, is eternal vigilance'!
>Let us not be found wanting in the latter when the former - our freedom-
>is being threatened.
I agree. It is now generally accepted that there are many MFDC fighters in
the Gambia. You can go to places even within the KMC district, west of
Brikama, and find people who can easily point out those who are known to
be/have been fighters from Cassamence. We can no longer remain silent on the
issue.
Peace.
Latir Gheran
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:20:37 +0300
From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
To: <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Dusty Sukuru-kunda
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> From: Bassirou Dodou Drammeh <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
> To: Gunjur@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Dusty Sukuru-kunda
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 7:26 AM
>
> Jabou,
> You know,I tried my best as the Supreme Alkaloo of Skull Kundaa not to
> cause a major confrontation between my REAL City and your so-called
> city,but I can see that you Gunjurians are bent on slighting the Finest
and
> the most Indispensable City in the Gambia.So,for the records,I want all
of
> you be warned that if indeed this confrontation takes place,the end would
> not be very pretty to watch, and that much of the blood that would be
> spilled would not come from my CITY.
>
> As for the Article you wrote about Shi'itism,please send it to me.Even
> though I don't share your extreme views on Islam and Religion,I
> nevertheless respect your right to your beliefs but that cannot mean that
I
> will not fight your Ideas.Because I am also a Fanatic of Secularism.I
have
> read too much of Islam and Islamic history to believe that any system
other
> than a SECULAR one would be good for a country with such multiplicity of
> religions as Gambia.The linchpin of my belief is that the proximity or
lack
> of it of a person's belief system to mine cannot and must not determine
my
> attitude towards that person.And that is the kind of Gambia I hope to
live
> and bring up my children in.And I very sincerely believe that it is my
> moral responsibility to engage in dialogue smart people like yourself who
> apparently hold a different view.Because with the kind arguments you
> normally put forward on the List here about religion,there is no way of
> telling whether in the event of you becoming a Minister of Religion in
the
> Future,You also would not threaten the Gambian Animists with annihilation
> just as our friend,Mr.Bojang,the former Religion Minister,did to the
> Ahmadiyas.So,its very vital that we discuss these issues as extensively
as
> possible.
>
> As for the other personal questions,I will send my response to them
through
> your personal mail.
>
> But going back the slighting you all of you other
> gambians(Jabou,Janneh,Sidibeh,LatJor) trying to do to my Venerable
> CITY................... ATTENTION!!!!!! to all of you
>
>
> Regards Basssss!
> ----------
> > From: Gunjur@aol.com
> > To: kolls567@qatar.net.qa
> > Subject: Dusty Sukuru-kunda
> > Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 6:06 AM
> >
> > Bass,
> > Man, Serekunda is so dusty and crowded vthese days. It is also full of
> > trouble-makers so much so that these days, it is known as Chicago, by
the
> > folks. Why, even the new highway to be built from the airport to Banjul
> is
> > going to bypass that terrible place where the people,s pass time is
> walking
> > right smack in the middle of the road and daring cars to hit them. l
> think we
> > Gunjurians will just bypass it altogether.
> > On a more serious note, l have had a very hectic few months since l
> promised
> > to continue the issue of Shi'tism etc. l have been thinking of just
> e-mailing
> > my writings on the issue to your private e-mail since l have become
quite
> > dis-illusioned at the attitude towards religion and Islam in particular
> by
> > the group on the L. You see, l take this religion very seriously. One
> cannot
> > *****-foot about it, and l am not sure that most of the folk who call
> > themselves Muslims even know what this entails. Anyway, like l said, l
> will
> > send it to you in sections and you can share it if you think anyone is
> intere
> > sted.
> > l have been toying with the idea of going to Saudi Arabia to teach
> English.
> > Do you have any information about this sort of thing? l know other
people
> > around here who are interested. lf l do it, it would be on a seasonal
> > basis.Any info. you have will be greatly appreciated. l am also looking
> for
> > venture partnerrs in my clothing manufacture business in Gambia.
> >
> > Jabou Joh
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:37:44 +0200
From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
To: "'Gambia-L@u.washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE. REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
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Buharry,
I just want to say that you could not have put your arguement more
succinctly. One of the problems with Africa and Africans is that we
delve in "formal" education and neglet "political" education. As you
said, charity begins at home and I add, so does love and respect!
We must not only aspire for material good for our people but aslo self
dignity and respect from others. American democracy is a sham and
whoever does not see that, especially if tha person is black, needs some
reeducation.
Those same people who just a few years ago called African Nationalists
like Nelson Mandela terrorists whilst they embraced garbage like Mobutu,
Savimbi, Doe, etc. who brought nothing but mystry and suffering to their
people, do not have any moral right to preach democracy to anyone but
Americans. To this day black people are not free to walk any American
streets they choose. They have to reconsider before venturing.
Those same people who - and don't give me that Republican/Democrat crap,
they are two sides of the same coin - mined the ports of Nicaragua,
sponsored armed bandits to rape peasant women, destroy farms, burn down
schools and health stations of a DEMOCRATICALLY elected Sandista
government whilst in cahoots with the murderous Pinochet regime that had
with the help of The AMERICAN CIA overthrown the DEMOCRATICALLY elected
Allende government preaching democracy is like an Imam preaching
Christianity!
Don't get me wrong, The Rev. Jesse Jackson is a fine man but what the
"West", mark this word, what it really means is whereever white peolpe
live - it has nothing to do with the cardinal points of geography, so
that they don't have to refer to themselves in terms of race - what they
really mean by democracy, at least for "non-white" or "Third World"
people is not a system that benifits us but one that makes it easy for
them to isolate governments that have the interests of their people at
heart, torment them, whilst those that toe the line are condoned. A
system that allows them to continue to dominate the world through the
controll of the world's natural resources and consummer markets.
Remember Kuwait?.
This brother Moe does not want to tell me that he bought that crap about
Desert Storm being about restoring democracy?; there was no democracy in
Kuwait in the first place! What they were doing in The Persian Gulf was
restoring the status quo that allowed them a free hand out there. It is
at these times that they pat the blackman on the back and call him
heroic, but when he gets back to America they call him ******!
What they were doing in The Gulf was making sure that Sadam did not
maintain controll of those vast oil fields and the potential revenues
that would be availed him being as unpredictable and Anit-Zionistic as
he is.
What Clinton should have appointed Rev. Jackson to do was set up a forum
together with tested African patriots and the OAU to look into how
reparations to Africa might be effected, and not comming up with old
wine in new bottles!
A. Kabir Njie.
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Date: 14 Oct 1997 14:39:41 +0200
From: "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
To: "Gambia-L -Internet... ." <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu> (Return requested)
Subject: New clinic for SOS - Political instabili
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Hello
I want to inform you about the co-operation between Norwegian Insurance
Company Vesta, and the SOS Children's Village in the Gambia.
Vesta built a medical clinic which was completed three months ago, and is
going to be handed over to the SOS Gambia Friday 17th Oct 97.
The insurance company contacted me seeking advice weather they should
continue to support the project, or just hand it over or start a new
project. I adviced them to continue to support and supervise the
management of the clinic, due to the high financial expenses that comes
with running a medical clinic.
The money for this clinic was collected from every worker at Vesta, who
gave NOK 50,00 pr. month.
The project is estimated to cost NOK 9.000.000.
We, the Gambians in Bergen are going to have a cultural evening together
with the Vesta Insurance Company in the middle of November. The reason
for this is to have good contact with the Gambians residing in Bergen.
We hope a lot of people will show up, and bring some good ideas.
However, the officials from Vesta, Bergen expressed their dismay from a
fax massage they received from the Gambia which stated that the opening
ceremony has been postponed due to political instability presently in the
Gambia.When I was confronted with this information by the Vesta official,
I was confused and could not answer. Anyway, I explained to them that I
was not aware and still not aware of any political instability currently
prevailing in the Gambia.
He said that the air ticket already was booked, and they planned to open
on Friday and return back in Bergen on Monday.
I wonder if any one has information on this.
Thanks
Alhagi
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:47:44 -0400
From: Andy Lyons <alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Meaning of name
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Hi all,
If anyone can help this gentlemen with his question, please
respond to him directly. Thanks! Andy
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Andy Lyons The Gambia Resource Page
alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu http://grove.ufl.edu/~alyons
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>From: <abakker@dow.com>
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:23:52 -0400
>
> Andy, thanks for your reply,
>
>I have a question you might be able to answer.
>My wife and I spent a holiday in The Gambia twice the last two years.
>The first time we got acquainted with a young guy who used to work at
>the Atlantic hotel in Banjul as an official tourist guide. Because of a
>lack of tourists he lost his job later. The second time we were there,
>he operated as our private guide and friend.
>Because of our gratitude towards him we named our son (my son's official
>name, born July this year) after him. His name is Modou Musa. Do you
>happen to know what these words either separate or in combination
>actually mean?
>
>Best Regards,
>Elbert Bakker
>abakker@dow.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:06:32 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'Gambia-L'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re. SOS clinic -political instability
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Glad to hear of this clinic, but where is it situated in the Gambia ?
Can that have anything to do with rumours of instability ? I think if
it=B4s close to the Casamance-refugees comming in, or ? Asbj=F8rn =
Nordam
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: HEIDI, AND FELLOW BANTABA 'NKOLU.
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Hi,
As you can see I'm way behind in my mail. I have a hard copy of the
constitution but I have to find it, its buried somewhere in the rubbles in my
office. I also had a scanned electronic copy, but some of my files were
accidentally deleted. Our system admin should have backup copies though, its
just finding the time to dig thru thousands of mail. If I'm able to retrieve
these files I'll post it to the group. The hard copy I'll definitely look for.
regards,
sarian
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:54:02 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List"
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: HEIDI, AND FELLOW BANTABA 'NKOLU.
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> Njaga, greetings:
> You wrote:
> >I KNOW SOMETIME AGO, someone had requested the gambian
>
> >constitutions. i must have missed it if and when it was
>
> >posted. i recently made a request of my own. pleeeaaasssee....
>
> > if anyone has it, lat jor, a.s. janneh, momodou, and al
>
> >those who surpass me in patriotism, can you please post it to
>
> >me????? nyan' naa leem.... allaaa keh allah yeh.
> +++
> A while back we did make an effort to have the
> 'Draft Constitution' in electronic form. I believe Sarian
> and Abdou (or Momodou?) might still have it. Mine has
> disappeared (so much for patriotism). I am not aware of anyone
> having a copy of the actual constitution in electronic form,
> however, there may be someone in the list who has a hardcopy
> of it. If so we would all (I think) like to have it. Perhaps
> the same effort we made with the Draft could be done with the
> actual operative one.
> Let me know when you know something.
>
> LatJor
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:32:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM>
Cc: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: HEIDI, AND FELLOW BANTABA 'NKOLU.
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Thanks Sarian:
As soon as you are able to locate the hardcopy and/or files
of the constitution pleas let us know. That way Buharry will
not have to mail his only copy across continents.
LatJor
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:40:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Dusty Sukuru-kunda
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Bass...
Thanks for sharing your dialogues with sis. Jabou. It was most
enlightening and as you stated it is important for us to have
open honest discussions on the subject of religion, for all
the reasons you sighted. I commend Jabou also for allowing
Bass to forward parts of their dialogue. We miss hearing from
her.
On the SereKunda issue, I am also a citizen of your city
having lived their for several years. So relax bro. it was all
a big joke.
LatJor
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Subscriber
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Bakary Gibba has been added to the list. Welcome to our Bantaba
and please send a brief intro. to our group. Our address is:
gambia-l@u.washington.edu
LatJor
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, badjie karafa sw wrote:
>
> Hi folks !
>
> kindly add my cousine Bakary Gibba to the list. His e-mail account is
> bgibba@interlog.com
>
> Thanks
>
> Karafa Badjie
> Dept. of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine
> Faculty of Medicine
> UBC
>
> @e,
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:14:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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Latjor, you wrote:
> Moe:
> I really do not see how this european effort to make 'inglish
> mor palatabul to zeir politikal agenda' any different than
> that of the proponents of 'ebonics'. As I recall, many on this
> list made a total mockery of it. I wonder what their opinions
> are with this europeanization of the 'kwiin's inglish'!
>
> LatJor
Latjor,
Very funny of you. I appreciate the sense of humor in you. Maybe, we will
soon be forced to speak German...heh? (No offense to the Germans on the
list).
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:33:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: casa/religion/ethnicity
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Latjor, you wrote:
> Greetings:
> In view of the escalation of the fighting in our backyard -
> casamance - along with the rising number of deaths caused by
> the fighting, coupled with the thousands of displaced people,
> we will have to sooner or later start talking about some of
> the fundamental issues surrounding this conflict.
> While I am in agreement with Moe that we must offer solutions
> to our many problems, it is important to first make an effort
> to identify what the problems are and their causes. Only then,
> having thouroughly discussed these in an open and frank manner,
> can we begin to offer solutions. (I think Moe would be in
> agreement with me on this.)
Latjor,
Once again, as usual, you have broken down the scenario in bits and
pieces that we can handle. I think that the situation is far more complex
that previously thought. After reading your message, I realized that I was
not aware of almost half of the points you raised. I agree with you that
now should be a good time to address these issues otherwise we may have to
resort to the phrase "had we known.....". Unfortunately, it appears that
only a handful of members (Latir being one of them) are ready to come
forward with solutions and suggestions. I must confess that I do not have
access to any current information about the Cassamance region. Thus, my
silence on this matter. I hope that the list members back home will assist
us in this regard as information becomes availble.
Once again, thanks for the elaborated points you outlined in your message.
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:05:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
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Habib, you wrote:
> Question
> Why do we have to take the body home ? It is much more expensive to
> transport it back home than to bury here as required by the Holy Quran.
> You get buried where ever you die and as soon as possible!!
> I will help regardless .
> Peace
> Habib
Mr. Ghanim,
This is a question that I cannot answer simply because it may be in
conflict with the teachings of the Quran. I remember last year during the
pilgrimage, one of my uncles lost his life during the hajj because of high
blood pressure. Not one member of my family suggested that he be taken
home to the Gambia for burial. In fact, there was some excitement among
the members of the family in that it is considered good luck to die (and
be buried) in the holy land during hajj.
As we apply the same morale to christian countries, it becomes unbearable
for a family to live with such a thing. In most cases, they (the family)
would rather have the victim transported back to the country of origin for
burial. I am not sure how this is handled in other Arab countries other
that Saudi Arabia but it would seem that no country could have control of
a corpse's burial without the consent of the immediate family members.
Whether or not this conflicts with the Quran, I cannot say. Personally,
though, I would want to be buried alongside my family members, if
possible. But, who will make that decision? My family, I hope.
Maybe you can shed some light on this. What'd you say?
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:31:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: RE. REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
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Mr. Njie, you wrote:
>
> Buharry,
>
> This brother Moe does not want to tell me that he bought that crap about
> Desert Storm being about restoring democracy?; there was no democracy in
> Kuwait in the first place! What they were doing in The Persian Gulf was
> restoring the status quo that allowed them a free hand out there. It is
> at these times that they pat the blackman on the back and call him
> heroic, but when he gets back to America they call him ******!
>
> A. Kabir Njie.
I beg your pardon!
Where do I come in on this? My response to Buharry's message was supposed
to be an intentional joke, my friend. You see, Buharry and I go a long way
back. When I came to America, he was the one that ecouraged me to go
to school, and also the one who convinced me to move from "dry" Louisiana
to Georgia while he was still going to college in Alabama. To me, he is
still some one I look up to.
Now, for you to attack me for simply making a commentary joke to someone I
know, sounds very unapealing. Yes, I had "formal" education and neglected
"political" education because I am not and have no desire of being a
POLITICIAN. My parents thought me that there were better ways to serve a
country than being a politician. My entire family is in the business of
providing goods and services to the public and I do not intend to sway
outside that domain. I hate to boast but I am a product of Gambia High
school (Class of 1986). My parents also thought me that "to be second" was
"to be first place looser". For that reason, I was second only once (Form
2) and I paid dearly for that. In 1986, I graduated with a Division 1
Distinction, the only one in GHS. Some said, I achieved first throughout
the nation, but I was never there to see it. My father quickly snatched me
away to help in the business. Mrs. Jow, the current education Secretary,
was vice principal and she begged my father to let me go to sixth form but
he declined. Oh yes,this brings back memories: My favorite and most
fearless head boy was Alpha Robinson. Yes, I remember his speech on speech
day in which he told the pricipal M.I. Jagne, and president Jawara off.
Latjor might remember that.
Mr. Njie, If I need to be "reeducated", then it must be in the egineering
sciences. Give me some numbers and mathematical equations and I will show
you what I can do. I think it is very premature to simply judge someone by
what and how he/she writes. Now I see why a great many members of Gambia-L
remain silent. I respect everyone's opinion even if it is different from
mine. Furthermore, Gambia-L (along with many other usenet and newsgroups
that I belong to), is an escape for me to get away from the "slave nature"
of corporate America and learn new things. To me, that's learning filled
with fun. I just hope that you do not preconceivably judge everyone by
what they write. And I must add, "I am not a writer". Period.
Thank you for your input, though. If I must say it, it is better to voice
your opinion than to hide in the bushes....and I admire you for that.
Have a wonderful day!
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 01:46:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Gambia-Lers in the Bay Area
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Hello Gambia-Lers,
I will be in the bay area, San Francisco, during the period of Oct. 15
thru October 21. I would like to know if it would be possible for us to
get together (this weekend) during my visit.
Kindly let me know by tomorrow evening by private mail (with contact
numbers).
Hope to see you in sunny California!
Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:02:38 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "c:netscapeMAILSent"@smtp2.erols.com
Subject: Re: Meaning of name
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Andy Lyons wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> If anyone can help this gentlemen with his question, please
> respond to him directly. Thanks! Andy
>
> ===============================================================
> Andy Lyons The Gambia Resource Page
> alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu http://grove.ufl.edu/~alyons
> ===============================================================
>
> >From: <abakker@dow.com>
> >Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 02:23:52 -0400
> >
> > Andy, thanks for your reply,
> >
> >I have a question you might be able to answer.
> >My wife and I spent a holiday in The Gambia twice the last two years.
> >The first time we got acquainted with a young guy who used to work at
> >the Atlantic hotel in Banjul as an official tourist guide. Because of a
> >lack of tourists he lost his job later. The second time we were there,
> >he operated as our private guide and friend.
> >Because of our gratitude towards him we named our son (my son's official
> >name, born July this year) after him. His name is Modou Musa. Do you
> >happen to know what these words either separate or in combination
> >actually mean?
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Elbert Bakker
> >abakker@dow.comThey are the names of two prophets
Mohamed for Modou
Musa for Musa(Moses)
Habib
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:16:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Reconsider AOL (fwd)
Message-ID: <9710150616.AA32806@st6000.sct.edu>
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Considering AOL??..............you may want to Reconsider.
Hello Netters,
As a BETA tester of most of the communication and browser software
(netscape, Explorer, AOL, Prodigy... etc) before it is released, I was
forwarded the following message earlier today (Normally it is first tested
for compatibility before a release). This could be just another hoax but I
have not been able to verify its validity. In most cases, AOL is one of
the best Internet software packages available but I wouldn't be surprised
if there is indeed a bug in their new 4.0 release. As far as I know, it
was not available to download as a BETA version which leads me to suspect
some trouble. So, to ALL of the AOL users out there, you might want to
read this........
Please check with the following if you have any doubts.
The U.S. Dept. of Energy Internet Hoaxes site:
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html#aolcookie
Also the National Computer Security Association site:
http://www.ncsa.com/virus/aolcookie.html
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From a former AOL employee:
I'll try and cut through the crap, and try to get to the point of this
letter. I used to work for America Online, and would like to remain
anonymous for that reason. I was laid off in early September, but I
know exactly why I was laid off, which I will now explain:
Since last December, I had been one of the many people assigned to
design AOL 4.0 for Windows (AOL 4.0 beta, codenamed Casablanca). In
the beginning, I was very proud of this task, until I found out the true
cost of it. Things were going fine until about mid-February, when me
and 2 of my colleagues started to suspect a problem, an unexplainable
'Privacy Invasion', with the new version. One of them, who is a master
programmer, copied the finished portion of the new version (Then 'Build
52'), and took it home, and we spent nearly 2 weeks of sleepless nights
examining and debugging the program, flipping it inside-out, and here is
what we found.
Unlike all previous versions of America Online, version 4.0 puts
something in your hard drive called a 'cookie'. (AOL members click <A
HREF="a
ol://4344:1047.g334.8411481.532897009">here</A> for a
definition). However, the cookie we found on Version 4.0 was far more
treacherous than the simple internet cookie. How would you like
somebody looking at your entire hard drive, snooping through any (yes,
any) piece of information on your hard drive. It could also read your
password and log in information and store it deep in the program code.
Well, all previous versions, whether you like it or not, have done this
to a certain extent, but only with files you downloaded. As me and my
colleagues discovered, with the new version, anytime you are signed on
to AOL, any top aol executive, any aol worker, who has been sworn to
secrecy regarding this feature, can go into your hard drive and retrieve
any piece of information that they so desire. Billing, download
records, e-mail, directories, personal documents, programs, financial
information, scanned images, etc ... Better start keeping all those
pictures on a floppy disk!
This is a totally disgusting violation of our rights, and your right to
know as well. Since this is undoubtably 'Top Secret' information that I
am revealing, my life at AOL is pretty much over. After discovering
this information, we started to inform a few other workers at America
Online, so that we could get a large enough crew to stop this from
happening to the millions of unfortunate and unsuspecting America Online
members. This was in early August. One month later, all three of us
were unemployed. We got together, and figured there was something we
had to do to let the public know.
Unemployed, with one of us going through a divorce (me) and another who
is about to undergo treatment for Cancer, our combined financial
situation is not currently enough to release any sort or article. We
attepted to create a web page on three different servers containing
in-depth information on AOL 4.0, but all three were taken down within 2
days. We were running very low on time (4.0 is released early this
winter), so we figured our last hope to reveal this madness before it
effects the people was starting something similar to a chain letter,
this letter you are reading. Please do the following, to help us expose
AOL for who they really are, and to help us and yourself recieve
personal gratification for taking a stand for our freedom:
1. Tell people who aren't on America Online in person, especially
important people (Private Investigators, Government workers, City
Council)
2. If the information about the new version isn't exposed by the time
aol is released early this winter, for your own protection, DON'T
DOWNLOAD AOL 4.0 UNDER ANY CONDITION !!!
Thank you for reading and examining this information. Me and my
colleagues hope that you will help us do the right thing in this
situation. Enjoy America Online (just kidding!).
Regards,
A former AOL employee
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:28:05 +0300
From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Name :MODU MUSA
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> From: Bassirou Dodou Drammeh <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
> To: abakker@dow.com
> Subject:
> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 9:25 AM
>
> Hi there!
> The name: Modou Musa are actually two different names and both of them
are
> Gambianized versions of what were originally Islamic names.The first one:
> Modou is originally Mohamed which later on changed to momodou, which in
> turn is shortened to only Modu.Many Gambian Mandinka moslems tend to name
> their first male born child after Modu.
>
> As for Musa,that one is originally Mousaa as in the quran but the long
> middle vowel became shortened to adapt to the Gambian(Mandinka) sound
> system.Now,if you happen to have a first new born whom you want to name
> after a friend of yours whose name is MUSA,you can prefix it with
> Modou.That way, your child would end up getting two proper names.
>
> This rule is not always obyed,because your friend whose name you want to
> give to your son may be Modou Musa,and you can, in that case, take the
> whole package and give it to your child.And I am sure you are aware that
in
> Gambian Culture ,there is an eternal bond between two people who have
been
> named after each other.
>
> So,I hope this answers your question.And please feel free to ask any
other
> if you want to ..... and until then,keep up the good work down there!
>
> Regards Basss
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:08:36 +0300
From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: The Beautiful English Language (fwd)
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Moe!
Zanks very much! Zat was very sveet.Zis new speling wuld sav me a lot of
trubl in ze futur.
kep up ze god vork dovn zer!
Regards Bas!
----------
> From: Modou Jallow <mjallow@st6000.sct.edu>
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: The Beautiful English Language (fwd)
> Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 11:56 PM
>
> Sounds too funny for me......
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 05:42:07 PDT
> To: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
> Subject: The Beautiful English Language
>
>
>
> The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has
> been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
> communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As
> part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceeded that
> English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a
> five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for
> short).
> In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c".
> Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy.
> Also, the hard "c will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up
> konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.
>
> There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the
> troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like
> "fotograf" 20 per sent shorter.
>
> In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be
> expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are
> possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters,
> which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
> Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is
> disgrasful, and they would go.
>
> By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing
> "th" by z" and "w" by " v"
>
> During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords
> kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer
> kombinations of leters.
> After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no
> mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech
> ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru.
>
> ______________________________________________________
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:21:27 +0200
From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
To: "'Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu>
Subject: RE: REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
Message-ID: <FBF1001D6A18D1118AC100A0C942F230A64F@AVIA-A>
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Moe,
I just want to tell you that if your reply to Buharry was meant to be a
joke then you should have sent it to his private e-mail address. Then I
and Oujimai would not have seen the need to reply to your "joke".
I do not think that Buharry too perceived it as a joke; if he did it was
certainly not evident in his reply, for that was a serious posting as
far as I am corcerned.
And for your imformation I am already a practicing engineer. For me
learning is an endless process. My e-mail address is at Aviaplan, the
leading Norwegian architectural and planning company that is responsible
for among other projects the planning and designing of the new airport
being built just outside Oslo and projected to be the biggest in Europe
(some say the world) when it gets operational next year, but who is
interested in that?
Yes I am very much interested in politics because I am very much
interested in the future of my children and grand children, the future
of your children and grand children.
A beraucrat without political education is like a ship without a
compass. You don't have to a politician or have political ambitions to
be politically mature. For me political participation is a must. You are
proud of Alpha Robinson because he told the principal M. I. Jagne and
president Jawara off, but it sounds to me that you will never do that
yourself.
When my children get bigger and show any interest in politics I will be
the proudest father, for it wil be sign that they love themselves and
their people and recognize the fact that they have a duty to serve them
no matter the consequences.
You said you are not a writer; neither am I.
A. Kabir Njie.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:08:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Test
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I sent in 3 messages this morning but I do not think they posted at all.
Tony Loum, is the LISTSERV experiencing some problems?
Just a test.
Moe
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:14:15 +0200
From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
To: "'Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu>
Subject: FW: RE: REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
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Hello there,
I tried sending this piece some hours ago and it never popped on on my
screen again which may mean it was not successfully delivered. So here I
try again.
A. Kabir Njie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amadou Kabir Njie
> Sent: 15. oktober 1997 10:21
> To: 'Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu'
> Subject: RE: REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
>
> Moe,
>
> I just want to tell you that if your reply to Buharry was meant to be
> a joke then you should have sent it to his private e-mail address.
> Then I and Oujimai would not have seen the need to reply to your
> "joke".
>
> I do not think that Buharry too perceived it as a joke; if he did it
> was certainly not evident in his reply, for that was a serious posting
> as far as I am corcerned.
>
> And for your imformation I am already a practicing engineer. For me
> learning is an endless process. My e-mail address is at Aviaplan, the
> leading Norwegian architectural and planning company that is
> responsible for among other projects the planning and designing of
> the new airport being built just outside Oslo and projected to be the
> biggest in Europe (some say the world) when it gets operational next
> year, but who is interested in that?
>
> Yes I am very much interested in politics because I am very much
> interested in the future of my children and grand children, the future
> of your children and grand children.
>
> A beraucrat without political education is like a ship without a
> compass. You don't have to a politician or have political ambitions to
> be politically mature. For me political participation is a must. You
> are proud of Alpha Robinson because he told the principal M. I. Jagne
> and president Jawara off, but it sounds to me that you will never do
> that yourself.
>
> When my children get bigger and show any interest in politics I will
> be the proudest father, for it wil be sign that they love themselves
> and their people and recognize the fact that they have a duty to serve
> them no matter the consequences.
>
> You said you are not a writer; neither am I.
>
> A. Kabir Njie.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
Message-ID: <9710151624.AA54316@st6000.sct.edu>
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WHY I 'HATE' PEEPERS
That caption is too general.
Besides, I don't really hate the peepers.
I think I do two things: don't like them and admire them.
Not that I don't like them, it is what many of them do
that I don't admire.
I admire them because they enjoy reading and can withstand
the urge to write by not writing.
I don't like them because when I say 99 good things,
they don't bother to praise me at all;
But when I say ONLY 1 thing that they don't like,
they hit me hard on my face.
What celebrated peepers who break the bonds of peeperdom
should do ...
Is learn to disagree with another's view without abusing.
I accept critique but feel bad when someone abuses me for nothing
Because I am not capable to abuse that person in return.
The personalities behind the names on Gambia-L varies --
To me, ALL Gambia-Lers are people who can help me or my children.
So, I don't abuse any one of them!
About myself: my kids will find it
unfortunate that their aunt or uncle abuses their father for nothing!
Gambia-L fills part of my life,
Without it, life is completely different ...
Well, that means, I will have to make do with abuses also...
What a life!
Regards,
Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:27:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Joke with explicit content
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Please, be warned that some may find this explicit in nature.
> The British Government's policy of socialized medicine has recently
> been
> broadened to include a service called "Proxy Fathers". Under the
> government plan, any married woman who is unable to become pregnant
> through the first five years of her marriage may request the service of a
> proxy father - a government employee who attempts to solve the couple's
> problem by impregnating the wife.
>
> The Smiths, a young couple, have no children and a proxy father is due to
> arrive. Leaving for work, Mr. Smith says, "I'm off. The government man
> should be here soon." Moments later a door-to-door baby
> photographer rings the bell................
>
>
>*ding dong*
>
>
> Ms Smith: "Good morning."
>
> Salesman: "Good morning, madam. You don't know me, but I've come
> to..."
>
> Ms Smith: "No need to explain, I've been expecting you.
>
> Salesman: "Really? Well, good. I've made a specialty of babies,
> especially twins."
>
> Ms Smith: "That's what my husband and I had hoped. Please come in
> and have a seat."
>
> Salesman: (Sitting) "Then you don't need to be sold on the idea?"
>
> Ms Smith: "Don't concern yourself. My husband and I both agree this
> is the right thing to do."
>
> Salesman: "Well, perhaps we should get down to it."
>
> Ms Smith: (Blushing) "Just where do we start?"
>
> Salesman: "Leave everything to me. I usually try two in the
> bathtub, one on the couch and perhaps a couple on the bed.
> Sometimes the living room floor allows the subject to
> really spread out."
>
> Ms Smith: "Bathtub, living room floor? No wonder it hasn't worked
> for Harry and me."
>
> Salesman: "Well, madam, none of us can guarantee a good one
> every time, but if we try several locations and I shoot
> from six or seven angles, I'm sure you'll be pleased with
> the results. In fact, my business card says, 'I aim to
> please.'"
>
> Ms Smith: "Pardon me, but isn't this a little informal?"
>
> Salesman: "Madam, in my line of work, a man must be at
> ease and take his time. I'd love to be in and out in five
> minutes, but you'd be disappointed with that."
>
> Ms Smith: "Don't I know! Have you had much success at this?"
>
> Salesman: (Opening his briefcase and finding baby pictures) "Just
> look at this picture. Believe it or not, it was done on
> top of a bus in downtown London."
>
> Ms Smith: "Oh, my!!"
>
> Salesman: "And here are pictures of the prettiest twins in town.
> They turned out exceptionally well when you consider their
> mother was so difficult to work with."
>
> Ms Smith: "She was?"
>
> Salesman: "Yes, I'm afraid so. I finally had to take her down to
> Hyde Park to get the job done right. I've never worked
> under such impossible conditions. People were crowding
> around four and five deep, pushing to get a good look."
>
> Ms Smith: "Four and five deep?"
>
> Salesman: "Yes and for more than three hours, too. The mother got
> so excited she started bouncing around, squealing and
> yelling at the crowd. I couldn't concentrate. I'm
> afraid
> had to ask a couple of men restrain her. By that time
> darkness was approaching and I began to rush my shots.
> When the squirrels began nibbling on my equipment I just
>
> Ms Smith: "You mean they actually chewed on your, eh.., equipment?"
>
> Salesman: "That's right, but it's all in a day's work. I consider
> my work a pleasure. I've spent years perfecting my
> patented
> technique. Now take this baby, I shot this one in the
> front window of a big department store."
>
> Ms Smith: "I just can't believe it."
>
> Salesman: "Well, madam, if you're ready, I'll set up my tripod so that
> we can get to work."
>
> Ms Smith: "TRIPOD?!?"
>
> Salesman: "Oh yes, I have to use a tripod to rest my equipment on.
> It's much too heavy and unwieldy for me to hold while I'm
> shooting. Ms Smith?...Ms Smith?...My word, she's fainted!
Regards
Moe S. Jallow
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:30:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Humour: LOVE, LUST OR MARRIAGE ?
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I will leave you with this one till next week.
Have a wonderful week!
Moe S. Jallow
================================================================
> How do you know if you're in love, in lust, or really married?
>
>
> LOVE - When your eyes meet across a crowded room.
> LUST - When your tongues meet across a crowded room.
> MARRIAGE - When you lose your child in crowded room.
>
> LOVE - When intercourse is called "making love."
> LUST - When intercourse is called "screwing."
> MARRIAGE - What are you talking about?
>
> LOVE - When you argue over how many children to have.
> LUST - When you argue over who gets the wet spot.
> MARRIAGE - When you argue over money.
>
> LOVE - When you share everything you own.
> LUST - When you steal everything they own.
> MARRIAGE - When the bank owns everything.
>
> LOVE - When you phone each other just to say, "Hi."
> LUST - When you phone each other to pick a hotel room.
> MARRIAGE - When you phone each other to complain.
>
> LOVE - When you write poems about your partner.
> LUST - When all you write is your phone number.
> MARRIAGE - When all you write is checks.
>
> LOVE - When you show concern for your partner's feelings.
> LUST - When you couldn't give a ****.
> MARRIAGE - When your only concern is what's on TV.
>
> LOVE - When your farewell is "I love you, darling..."
> LUST - When your farewell is "So, same time next week..."
> MARRIAGE - When your farewell is a relief.
>
> LOVE - When you are proud to be seen in public with your
> partner.
> LUST - When you only see each other naked.
> MARRIAGE - When you never see each other awake.
>
> LOVE - When your heart flutters everytime you see them.
> LUST - When your groin twitches everytime you see them.
> MARRIAGE - When your wallet empties everytime you see them.
>
> LOVE - When nobody else matters.
> LUST - When nobody else knows.
> MARRIAGE - When everybody else matters and you don't care who
> knows.
>
> LOVE - When all the songs on the radio describe exactly how
> you feel.
> LUST - When the song on the radio determines how you do it.
> MARRIAGE - When you listen to talk radio.
>
> LOVE - When breaking up is something you try not to think
> about.
> LUST - When staying together is something you try not to
> think about.
> MARRIAGE - When just getting through today is your only thought.
>
> LOVE - When you're only interested in doing things with your
> partner.
> LUST - When you're only interested in doing things TO your
> partner.
> MARRIAGE - When you're only interested in your golf score.
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:35:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: A Poem: "My mother doesn't know ..." (fwd)
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Subject: A Poem: "My mother doesn't know ..." (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:32:00 -0400 (EDT)
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>
> March 8 was declared the International Women's Day.
>
> On March 8, 1995,I wrote the following poem for my mother:
> ==========================================================
>
> MY MOTHER DOESN'T KNOW ...
>
> Does she know what day is today?
> Does she know when it was agreed on?
> Does she know who took the decision and why?
> Does she know what to do today?
> Does she know that some women are fighting for her rights?
> Does she know that today is a day for women's voices to be
> heard?
> What does 'general awareness for women' mean to her?
>
> Yes, my mother in the village has accepted it that long.
> To her, it is quite normal.
> Was there, is there and will there be an alternative to
> male control of female?
> She has never tried to answer this question.
> She doesn't have time to think about it.
> Suppression or oppression of women, what does it mean?
> Her children must be fed, daily.
> That's important.
>
> In the morning.
> As I was in my mother's womb in Africa,
> I saw my mother hold a hoe;
> I saw a bowl on her head;
> I heard her talking to my brother on my back,
> As she galloped us a mile barefooted to the farm.
> She made a bed for him and gave him something to eat.
> My brother didn't see my smile as we were leaving him.
> I prayed to God to protect him.
> As my mother bent down to sow some seeds,
> I saw an ant take away the first.
> I told my mother but she was humming a song.
>
> In the afternoon.
> She gathered a few sticks to make fire.
> It was very hot.
> She went to the hut,
> Where my brother was asleep, tired of crying.
> She made food, hurriedly.
> I didn't know why.
> She ran with me around to gather some wood;
> She picked up my brother,
> Put the bunch of firewood on her head,
> And galloped us quickly home.
>
> In the evening.
> It became clear to me why she was in a hurry.
> My father was attending a meeting somewhere,
> In a village close by.
> He should find food home on his return.
> Oh men of Africa!
> Why not be a bit more reasonable,
> To my mother who is carrying me all the way?
>
> It is true that my father also did some work,
> But he always had it easy to walk to the farm.
> He would hold a machete and that's all,
> He would stop on the way to talk politics of the village.
> My mother had me, my brother and a bowl or something else.
> In the morning,
> In the afternoon,
> And in the evening.
>
> On this day,
> I think about my mothers, my sisters, my aunts and all
> women,
> Especially in Africa and elsewhere in the 'Muslim' world;
> Especially those who still have it like my mother;
> Those who spend all day to look after their children;
> Those who must stay in backyards when decisions are to be
> taken;
> Those whose office is 'destined' to be the home;
> Those who have just accepted things that way;
> But also those who want things to change.
>
> On this day,
> As you 'enlightened' women try to make your voices heard,
> I stand up to give you my support.
> You may not hear or see what I do,
> But you surely will!
> My wife and daughters will join you in your fight,
> One day is one day.
>
> But equally on this day,
> I still ask myself a number of questions:
> Why do you 'enlightened' women allow your dress to fall
> down easily,
> In stupid scenes in films, on TV, etc.?
> Why do you ask the authorities to accept prostitution as an
> occupation?
> Because of some of these things,
> It is difficult a fight you have ahead of you.
> So please start right here in the West.
> Can you persuade women Turks not to wear their veils?
> Can you persuade Arab women in rich Saudi Arabia to throw
> theirs aside?
> Can you persuade women to enter areas in mosques reserved
> for men?
> Can you get the Catholic church to have women priests all
> over the world?
> Why are you satisfied by explanation of culture alone?
> Whatever, I am hopeful.
> Just like you.
> ===============================================
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mallam O.
> ==============================================
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:09:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: On Peepers
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Moe wrote:
"gambia-l fills part of my life..."
I hope we will all take note of this. In a way, gambia-l is a life-line,
even to the "peepers".
That was very nicely put, Moe.
i think we will be well advised to preserve and improve Gambia-l as a
forum, and as a life-line; an information channel and a space for debate;
and the higher the level of the debate, the better.
Well, there is nothing new in all that I am saying: others have said it
much more eloquently. so, all i would add is to paraphrase one of our good
friends: keep up the good discussion!
Moe's statement (Gambia-l is part of my life), I think, should be seen as
a tribute to those who initiated, or who have been posting various kinds
of things to this list. And i want to say THANK YOU ALL.
An ex-peeper (?!?) who, this time, couldn't resist the
urge to write!)
Cheers!
Ebrima.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:24:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: On Peepers
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Moe:
A very fine piece of poetry. Now that you have succeeded in
an 'ex-peeper' Ebrima Sall out in the open, we should make the
effort to keep him (and others) in the lime light.
For the new folks and those who may have forgotten, Ebrima is
the Director of CODESRIA, the Human Rights Org. which focuses
on intellectual freedom in Africa among other issues. It is
based in Senegal.
Perhaps he can fill us in on the casamance situation for starters?
Welcome back, Ebrima.
LatJor
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:29:06 -0100
From: "<TGR@COMMIT.GM>" <gambia-l@commit.gm>
To: "gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: These terrible WHITE people
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Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm>
via Commit
Gambia-L.
In response to among others Amadou Kabir Njie..
Just a thought...
I can very well understand that there is a need for attention and
discussion on the faults in the western democracies to live up to
its ideals.
But I am actually getting a little tired of being placed in a role just
by being a "white person".
Since I joined Gambia-L and moved to The Gambia I have been overwhelmed
by the continuously focus and importance gambians and other West-Africans
put on the lack of color on my skin.
I don't want to be classified as this or that type because of this.
I am a human being and look at other people as human beings, and I couldn't care
less if they had a two meter long spotted tail!
I believe that to use the words US together with BLACK and then use THEM together
with WHITE is a gross simplifying of how the world works, capitalistic or otherwise.
I can't see how it really helps in anything except sementing a to simple and wrong view
on how countries and governments operate.
When I hear about black communities, black churches etc. in my simple mind I start wondering
on why they focus so strongly on the color? Is it not precisely the focus on appearance and color
to
value a person what western countries so grossly has been misusing?
Just my ten Dalasi (Inflation..:-)) worth of thought.
Best Regards,
Torstein
The Gambia
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anna Secka <secka@cse.bridgeport.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: These terrible WHITE people
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Torstein,
I understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately, we live in
the world where racism exists. In an ideal world we would all be regarded
the same, but you and I know that this is not so. So my advice to you and
anyone else who might care to listen is that it does not matter what other
people think of you. What really matters is what you think of yourself.
Trust me that can take you a long way. Afterall, there nothing or little
you can do about the way other people perceive the world to be.
"my penny worth of thoughts"
Anna.
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, <gambia-l@commit.gm> wrote:
> Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm>
> via Commit
>
>
> Gambia-L.
> In response to among others Amadou Kabir Njie..
>
> Just a thought...
>
> I can very well understand that there is a need for attention and
> discussion on the faults in the western democracies to live up to
> its ideals.
> But I am actually getting a little tired of being placed in a role just
> by being a "white person".
> Since I joined Gambia-L and moved to The Gambia I have been overwhelmed
> by the continuously focus and importance gambians and other West-Africans
> put on the lack of color on my skin.
> I don't want to be classified as this or that type because of this.
> I am a human being and look at other people as human beings, and I couldn't care
> less if they had a two meter long spotted tail!
> I believe that to use the words US together with BLACK and then use THEM together
> with WHITE is a gross simplifying of how the world works, capitalistic or otherwise.
> I can't see how it really helps in anything except sementing a to simple and wrong view
> on how countries and governments operate.
> When I hear about black communities, black churches etc. in my simple mind I start wondering
> on why they focus so strongly on the color? Is it not precisely the focus on appearance and color
> to
> value a person what western countries so grossly has been misusing?
>
> Just my ten Dalasi (Inflation..:-)) worth of thought.
>
> Best Regards,
> Torstein
> The Gambia
>
>
---------
Anna Secka
secka@cse.bridgeport.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:07:18 +0100
From: Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: peepers
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Modou, I'm pleased that you brought the topic up. I have often been
thinking about it, particularly in the beginning of my membership on the
list.
I think for most people it's not an easy thing to expose views and
sometimes emotions to a big and largely unknown audience.
Therefore I've got quite some sympathy and understanding for peepers.
On the other hand there's the struggle against my fear. I have to
overcome it again and again. And I do it, although much too often I'm
hesitant about sending my mails ... I write, edit, re-edit and throw
quite a lot of them to the garbage because I'm afraid the people on the
list won't understand or I that they judge me without really knowing me
or somebody jumping on me because of what I wrote. But the latter never
happend and the first, I decided should not be my problem.
And I can tell you peepers out there, that it is a very nice feeling to
overcome these or other obstacles and to become part of the exchange
which is going on on this list. It's really worth it!! It's got its own
drive and it became an important part of my life, too. And therefore I
want to give something back, by overcoming my reservation and fear of
all you unknown people and by writing, perhaps not so much and not on
the highest level, which is also not necessary!! Here I disagree with
our ex-peeper Ebrima, this is for instance what can make people
hesitant, or do you want to fix the debate on an academic level? I have
to become a peeper then ... going underground ;-))
Anyway, happy to be on the list and greeting all peepers, snoopers,
active and passive listmembers.
Have a good night,
Andrea
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:41:02 +0100
From: Andrea Klumpp <klumpp@kar.dec.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
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Hi Tosh,
>
you wrote:
> Since I joined Gambia-L and moved to The Gambia I have been overwhelmed
> by the continuously focus and importance gambians and other West-Africans
> put on the lack of color on my skin.
huhu, imagine the "attention" a West African gets in the West! Have you
not been prepared on this? In fact this was and is a problem for me in
The Gambia. Often it's clear but sometimes it takes some time to find
out whether I get attention, sympathy, invitations, gifts, friendship
.... offered because people like me, think I'm clever, competent or
whatever - or whether this happens because of my "magic" white skin
(which seems to imply a lot of MONEY)
> ...snip
> When I hear about black communities, black churches etc. in my simple mind I start wondering
> why they focus so strongly on the color? Is it not precisely the focus on appearance and color
> to
> value a person what western countries so grossly has been misusing?
you are right, they devalued one skin-colour and put white on top of the
hitlist. This is exactly why the value of people with black skin needs
to be re-established. Your experience is proofing it: look how many
people seem to admire your skin. There are still so many misconceptions
about light skin (... bleaching).. that I'm not wondering whether black
communities and black churches are still necessary or not. They are -
unfortunately! And I suspect that re-valuation or re-establishment of
fair values is still a bit ahead.
Greets from another whitey in cold Germany (brrr...)
Andrea
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:57:37 PDT
From: "Jobst Münderlein" <joppl@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: member list
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>
>please do send me a member list if possible. I keep receiving back my
>mails how come
now it is even gettin worse I get every message at least twice or even
three time, Isn't it possible to stop that please.
I would like to ask if anyone can explain to me JAmmehs use of the word
"dirmocracy". I read it on one of the recent online issues of the Daily
Observer, What does dirmocracy mean?
best regards. Jobst
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:54:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu>
To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: On Peepers
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Latjor,
Thanks a lot. I actually called myself an "ex-peeper" out of humour. i
thought Moe said something very important, even though he appeared to be
somewhat unhappy about the remarks he was responding to. But i chose to
focus on the point that struck me as being one of the most important ones
he made. I think that there is NOT ONE WAY of being part of, or relating
to this list. And those who do not write often have all kinds of
reasons for not doing so, and they are reasons that I think we should
respect. In my own case, I just did not have the impression that I
was in a position to make a contribution to the important
debates that have been going on, partly because, with the kind of pressure
I was under, I was probably not organised well enough to create the time
to contribute in the way I wanted my contributions to be like, at that
time.
This, in a way is also
a response to Andrea : I do not think that the debates on
this list should only
be "academic debates". I think they should be debates of the kind that the
people on the list want them to be. If there are some list members who
want to discuss a given issue in an academic way, FINE. As has been
happening, others will also come up with other issues, or start more
"popular" debates; and nothing stops either of the two types of debate to be
approached from several angles. So, I am not sure whether we are in real
disagreement, Andrea.
On the Casamance issue, i left senegal a month ago, but i have also been
getting information on developments from some friends in Dakar. It seems
as if the violence is going on, on a scale that is really
worrying. Also worrying,
according to what I was made to understand, is the way the press and some
sections of the political class seem to be handling the issue. The
military option seems to be given prominence, which is sad, if our
experience in Africa with such approaches to conflicts is anything
to go by.
I think, as some of the contributors to this list have pointed out
(was it Sidibe, you Latjor, and, who else?) said, we in Gambia cannot be
indifferent to what is going on in Senegal. I am not
saying that we should, necessarily get involved. what I am saying is that
we should think about how this is going to affect not only Gambia, but the
whole of our sub-region, and see what we should, or CAN do to help, or at least to minimise the
adverse effects.
I am not sure whether I fully understand the exact
role that religion is playing in this conflict. i think we should try to see through the Form of expression of
the aspirations of the different groups involved, so as to get at the
SUBSTANCE of what is being expressed. That, of course, requires very
serious work on the issue and, and with the parties involved. So, I would
tend to be careful about what I say.
My own view, however, is that there is a need to re-habilitate politics (in the proper sense of the
word) in Africa. But that is a different issue...
I am actually very happy that I am in a position to make this
contribution. The above are just humble,
personal opinions. And I think what makes this list interesting, is the
wide range of opinions and interests that are expressed on it.
As for my position in CODESRIA, I direct/run a Programme; there is an
Executive secretary, who heads the Council. And in addition to human
rights and intellectual/academic freedom, Codesria promotes social science
research in Africa, with a view, among other things, to promoting
independent thought and action, and to contributing, through
all these and various other means, to the struggle to make Africa a
better place to live in, today, and tomorrow; and for as many people as
possible.
Sorry for being so long--i.e. for taking so much of your time!
Wa salaam!
Ebrima.
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Gabriel Ndow wrote:
> Moe:
> A very fine piece of poetry. Now that you have succeeded in
> an 'ex-peeper' Ebrima Sall out in the open, we should make the
> effort to keep him (and others) in the lime light.
> For the new folks and those who may have forgotten, Ebrima is
> the Director of CODESRIA, the Human Rights Org. which focuses
> on intellectual freedom in Africa among other issues. It is
> based in Senegal.
> Perhaps he can fill us in on the casamance situation for starters?
>
> Welcome back, Ebrima.
>
> LatJor
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:33:08 -0700
From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: RE. REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.
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Gentlemen!
Would you please allow me to jump in and beg for calm? The topic is
very interesting and the debate hot but we are all brothers and sisters
on this list. We might all meet one day after cultivating friendships
here. So please, because it was my posts that brought about the
dialogue, I am begging you all to let go before the communication gets
too personal. Thanks in advance.
Buharry.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:52:51 PDT
From: "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
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>> Question
>> Why do we have to take the body home ? It is much more expensive to
>> transport it back home than to bury here as required by the Holy
Quran.>> You get buried where ever you die and as soon as possible!!
>> I will help regardless .
>> Peace
>> Habib
*******************************************************************
MR HABIB AND MR MOE, please allow me to be included in
this very private discussion. MY CONDOLENCES TO THE JALLOW
FAMILY.....WE must all however remember that( INNA DI'LAHHI WA
INNA ILLAIHI RAA JA 'UNN).
I AM NOT SURE IF I should post this
to the forum or your private mail, but on second thoughts, i
will post it to the bantaba - it is where i got it from...
I believe this is a very sensitive issue that involves not
only our religious beliefs, but also our human emotions. i just
cannot help but have something to say on this.......somehow, it
touched me......i guess that's why we ahve this forum in the
first place.......
I must however, start by asserting that whatever i say
herein is solely my personal opinion, my inacurate interpretation
of the Q'uran (since i am absolutely arabic illiterate), what
i can recall from my D'ara days, and are in no way to be
mistook for a representation of Quranic verses. my words here
are also not meant to have any disrespectful conotations to the
deceased or the jallow family......
i proceed with what caution>>>>>>>
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>Mr. Ghanim,
This is a question that I cannot answer simply because it may be in
>conflict with the teachings of the Quran.
**********
moe,
i am not really sure what you mean by "it" conflicting with
the teachings of the Quran. do you mean that what you would
say would conflict with the Quran, or that if you answered why
the deceased had to be taken back home, the reason would
conflict with the Quran, and thereby, the jallow family's wanting
to take their son back home to rest would be inspite of what
the Quran says? got me????/
anyway, i don't think that the Quran would demand that every
muslim be buried in islamic soil. Where were all the jihadists
buried in the times of the prophet? i don't think they
transported each and every one of them back to mecca or
medina. i don't think that the Allmighty would lay such a
burden on us. if i remember right, only prayer and believe in
Allah and His prophets are the only things (pillars) in islam
which one has to do no matter what. There are many circumstances
in which one does not have to ever fast, go to mecca, or give
zakkat. so i don't think it would be any sin if one is not
buried at home............
****************************
I remember last year during the
>pilgrimage, one of my uncles lost his life during the hajj because of
high>blood pressure. Not one member of my family suggested that he be
taken >home to the Gambia for burial. In fact, there was some
excitement among>the members of the family in that it is considered good
luck to die (and>be buried) in the holy land during hajj.
**************************************************
I would understand their excitement and joy.......afterall,
what better way to go than in the service of Allah. as i
understand it, one is as cleansed of sin as when one was born
in the proper completion of a Hajj. where else would one go
to but in the best of places after on is cleansced/?... but i
don't think it really matters to Allah where one dies....it
would be what one had done in one's lifetime that would
determine one's place in Al' axira. WHERE one dies would not
fool "mam yallah".......it would not even matter whether one
was prayed over by an Imam before burial. there was this guy
in our community who was known to drink heavily, and when he
died, there was rumours that the Imam would not pray over
him....... we talked to our Usta'zh and he broke it down for
us:,,....he said that does not really matter. even as the imam
stands over your body attesting to your faithfulness and good
deeds, "mam yallah" would be Smiling and saying (not in these
words).... hurry up and give me my "jaam".. don't you know
that you only got the shell now/... i know everything he/she has
done...you cannot fol me......
***************************
>As we apply the same morale to christian countries, it becomes
unbearable >for a family to live with such a thing. In most cases, they
(the family)
>would rather have the victim transported back to the country of origin
for >burial.
**************************************
i understand. but if it so unbearable to bury our dead in
"immorale" --my words-- christian lands, why are we here at
all. if my family can bear to let me come here, why can't they
bear to have me buried here at all?? is it really that
bad>>>>/?????
***************************************
I am not sure how this is handled in other Arab countries other
>that Saudi Arabia but it would seem that no country could have control
of
>a corpse's burial without the consent of the immediate family members.
*****************************************
hmnnn. i don't know much about that.......not even an opinion.
************
>Whether or not this conflicts with the Quran, I cannot say.
Personally, >though, I would want to be buried alongside my family
members, if >possible. But, who will make that decision? My family, I
hope.
***********************************
who wouldn't? i would not like to be buried in a Gurrmet's grave
either, even at home. but i think it is mainly the recognition
and rememberance that is sought for the deceased. no one would
wanna be dead and forgotten, at least not many gambians would.
iT is good to be able to tell somebody's children, siblings,
and all the litle one's comming up that this is where so and
so lies. it is god to be able to go to a family member's grave
and pray. but i also rembember being told by Ustazh Njie that
of all the sarah's and Nya'ans, only those done by one's
children over one's grave would reach one in Al'aahira. one could
also be credited for Other things like planting a tree and
people benefiting from it's shade and fruits.
*****************************************************
>Maybe you can shed some light on this. What'd you say?
>Regards,
>Moe S. Jallow
>****************************************************************
i hope i have not been too confusing. i tend to wander
sometimes. one more thing.... one can also consider the
financial expences involved in bringing a body home. personally,
if it is gonna be anywhere near expensive, i would rather my
fmily at home have the money and use it more wisely than i
ever could......i think they would need it more than i
would....if i have to buy the land that i would be buried in here
also, i would rather be taken back home if it is less costly.
-----let's do the best we can here......Allah doesn't need
anything from us, he already has everything. we can never take
anything away from him.. he can give so much at yet even all
the waters in the world would be more depleted by a drop of
water. ........we are just passing through here.
again, i say (INNA DI LAHHI WA INNA ILAIHI RAAJA' UUN)
.......PEACE TO ALL
LET'S ALL BE JOYFUL.....BE HAPPY. ALWAYS SMILE DEEPLY.
N J A G A............
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:59:54 PDT
From: "tapha cham" <mustick@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Please take my name out of mailing lis
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Dear owner,
i would really apperciate it if you removed my name from
your mailing list. i have been receiving excess mail in my mailbox and
dont want this to continue. the people at hotmail have been writting
saying that my account is always oversized due to the mail i receive
from you. thank you
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:41:51 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "c:netscapeMAILSent"@smtp1.erols.com
Subject: Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
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Modou Jallow wrote:
>
> Habib, you wrote:
>
> > Question
> > Why do we have to take the body home ? It is much more expensive to
> > transport it back home than to bury here as required by the Holy Quran.
> > You get buried where ever you die and as soon as possible!!
> > I will help regardless .
> > Peace
> > Habib
>
> Mr. Ghanim,
>
> This is a question that I cannot answer simply because it may be in
> conflict with the teachings of the Quran. I remember last year during the
> pilgrimage, one of my uncles lost his life during the hajj because of high
> blood pressure. Not one member of my family suggested that he be taken
> home to the Gambia for burial. In fact, there was some excitement among
> the members of the family in that it is considered good luck to die (and
> be buried) in the holy land during hajj.
>
> As we apply the same morale to christian countries, it becomes unbearable
> for a family to live with such a thing. In most cases, they (the family)
> would rather have the victim transported back to the country of origin for
> burial. I am not sure how this is handled in other Arab countries other
> that Saudi Arabia but it would seem that no country could have control of
> a corpse's burial without the consent of the immediate family members.
>
> Whether or not this conflicts with the Quran, I cannot say. Personally,
> though, I would want to be buried alongside my family members, if
> possible. But, who will make that decision? My family, I hope.
>
> Maybe you can shed some light on this. What'd you say?
>
> Regards,
> Moe S. Jallow
>
> ==========================================================================
> mjallow@sct.edu mjallow@hayes.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Moe,
The only problem here is the mighty green dollars. If you can afford it
by all means go ahead but if it becomes a big financial burden as in
almost all the cases I know it does not make sense to take the body home.
JUST simply prayers would do. This is the way all Arab countries do it
and almost all the muslim countries. Again let me emphasize if money is
not a object then it seems ok to me and the scholars I asked.( that money
should really be spent on his family left behind not a corspe)
In other words why incurr debt or go begging for help when a simple
burial as required in Islam would suffice.
peace
Habib
ps This is my opinion and many others so if any one is offended I
apologise.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:53:26 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "c:netscapeMAILSent"@smtp1.erols.com
Subject: Re: These terrible WHITE people
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<TGR@COMMIT.GM> wrote:
>
> Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm>
> via Commit
>
> Gambia-L.
> In response to among others Amadou Kabir Njie..
>
> Just a thought...
>
> I can very well understand that there is a need for attention and
> discussion on the faults in the western democracies to live up to
> its ideals.
> But I am actually getting a little tired of being placed in a role just
> by being a "white person".
> Since I joined Gambia-L and moved to The Gambia I have been overwhelmed
> by the continuously focus and importance gambians and other West-Africans
> put on the lack of color on my skin.
> I don't want to be classified as this or that type because of this.
> I am a human being and look at other people as human beings, and I couldn't care
> less if they had a two meter long spotted tail!
> I believe that to use the words US together with BLACK and then use THEM together
> with WHITE is a gross simplifying of how the world works, capitalistic or otherwise.
> I can't see how it really helps in anything except sementing a to simple and wrong view
> on how countries and governments operate.
> When I hear about black communities, black churches etc. in my simple mind I start wondering
> on why they focus so strongly on the color? Is it not precisely the focus on appearance and color
> to
> value a person what western countries so grossly has been misusing?
>
> Just my ten Dalasi (Inflation..:-)) worth of thought.
>
> Best Regards,
> Torstein
> The Gambiayou may be right .
This is why in Islam the color of a human being 's skin is not an issue
just his faith.
We should really think in those lines -colorless
peace Habib
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:13:25 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "c:netscapeMAILSent"@smtp1.erols.com
Subject: Re: The Death of a young Gambian ( Abdou Jallow)
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NJAGA JAGNE wrote:
>
> >> Question
> >> Why do we have to take the body home ? It is much more expensive to
> >> transport it back home than to bury here as required by the Holy
> Quran.>> You get buried where ever you die and as soon as possible!!
> >> I will help regardless .
> >> Peace
> >> Habib
> *******************************************************************
> MR HABIB AND MR MOE, please allow me to be included in
> this very private discussion. MY CONDOLENCES TO THE JALLOW
> FAMILY.....WE must all however remember that( INNA DI'LAHHI WA
> INNA ILLAIHI RAA JA 'UNN).
> I AM NOT SURE IF I should post this
> to the forum or your private mail, but on second thoughts, i
> will post it to the bantaba - it is where i got it from...
> I believe this is a very sensitive issue that involves not
> only our religious beliefs, but also our human emotions. i just
> cannot help but have something to say on this.......somehow, it
> touched me......i guess that's why we ahve this forum in the
> first place.......
> I must however, start by asserting that whatever i say
> herein is solely my personal opinion, my inacurate interpretation
> of the Q'uran (since i am absolutely arabic illiterate), what
> i can recall from my D'ara days, and are in no way to be
> mistook for a representation of Quranic verses. my words here
> are also not meant to have any disrespectful conotations to the
> deceased or the jallow family......
> i proceed with what caution>>>>>>>
> *********************************************************************
> >Mr. Ghanim,
> This is a question that I cannot answer simply because it may be in
> >conflict with the teachings of the Quran.
> **********
> moe,
> i am not really sure what you mean by "it" conflicting with
> the teachings of the Quran. do you mean that what you would
> say would conflict with the Quran, or that if you answered why
> the deceased had to be taken back home, the reason would
> conflict with the Quran, and thereby, the jallow family's wanting
> to take their son back home to rest would be inspite of what
> the Quran says? got me????/
> anyway, i don't think that the Quran would demand that every
> muslim be buried in islamic soil. Where were all the jihadists
> buried in the times of the prophet? i don't think they
> transported each and every one of them back to mecca or
> medina. i don't think that the Allmighty would lay such a
> burden on us. if i remember right, only prayer and believe in
> Allah and His prophets are the only things (pillars) in islam
> which one has to do no matter what. There are many circumstances
> in which one does not have to ever fast, go to mecca, or give
> zakkat. so i don't think it would be any sin if one is not
> buried at home............
> ****************************
> I remember last year during the
> >pilgrimage, one of my uncles lost his life during the hajj because of
> high>blood pressure. Not one member of my family suggested that he be
> taken >home to the Gambia for burial. In fact, there was some
> excitement among>the members of the family in that it is considered good
> luck to die (and>be buried) in the holy land during hajj.
> **************************************************
> I would understand their excitement and joy.......afterall,
> what better way to go than in the service of Allah. as i
> understand it, one is as cleansed of sin as when one was born
> in the proper completion of a Hajj. where else would one go
> to but in the best of places after on is cleansced/?... but i
> don't think it really matters to Allah where one dies....it
> would be what one had done in one's lifetime that would
> determine one's place in Al' axira. WHERE one dies would not
> fool "mam yallah".......it would not even matter whether one
> was prayed over by an Imam before burial. there was this guy
> in our community who was known to drink heavily, and when he
> died, there was rumours that the Imam would not pray over
> him....... we talked to our Usta'zh and he broke it down for
> us:,,....he said that does not really matter. even as the imam
> stands over your body attesting to your faithfulness and good
> deeds, "mam yallah" would be Smiling and saying (not in these
> words).... hurry up and give me my "jaam".. don't you know
> that you only got the shell now/... i know everything he/she has
> done...you cannot fol me......
> ***************************
> >As we apply the same morale to christian countries, it becomes
> unbearable >for a family to live with such a thing. In most cases, they
> (the family)
> >would rather have the victim transported back to the country of origin
> for >burial.
> **************************************
> i understand. but if it so unbearable to bury our dead in
> "immorale" --my words-- christian lands, why are we here at
> all. if my family can bear to let me come here, why can't they
> bear to have me buried here at all?? is it really that
> bad>>>>/?????
> ***************************************
> I am not sure how this is handled in other Arab countries other
> >that Saudi Arabia but it would seem that no country could have control
> of
> >a corpse's burial without the consent of the immediate family members.
> *****************************************
> hmnnn. i don't know much about that.......not even an opinion.
> ************
> >Whether or not this conflicts with the Quran, I cannot say.
> Personally, >though, I would want to be buried alongside my family
> members, if >possible. But, who will make that decision? My family, I
> hope.
> ***********************************
> who wouldn't? i would not like to be buried in a Gurrmet's grave
> either, even at home. but i think it is mainly the recognition
> and rememberance that is sought for the deceased. no one would
> wanna be dead and forgotten, at least not many gambians would.
> iT is good to be able to tell somebody's children, siblings,
> and all the litle one's comming up that this is where so and
> so lies. it is god to be able to go to a family member's grave
> and pray. but i also rembember being told by Ustazh Njie that
> of all the sarah's and Nya'ans, only those done by one's
> children over one's grave would reach one in Al'aahira. one could
> also be credited for Other things like planting a tree and
> people benefiting from it's shade and fruits.
> *****************************************************
> >Maybe you can shed some light on this. What'd you say?
> >Regards,
> >Moe S. Jallow
> >****************************************************************
>
> i hope i have not been too confusing. i tend to wander
> sometimes. one more thing.... one can also consider the
> financial expences involved in bringing a body home. personally,
> if it is gonna be anywhere near expensive, i would rather my
> fmily at home have the money and use it more wisely than i
> ever could......i think they would need it more than i
> would....if i have to buy the land that i would be buried in here
> also, i would rather be taken back home if it is less costly.
> -----let's do the best we can here......Allah doesn't need
> anything from us, he already has everything. we can never take
> anything away from him.. he can give so much at yet even all
> the waters in the world would be more depleted by a drop of
> water. ........we are just passing through here.
> again, i say (INNA DI LAHHI WA INNA ILAIHI RAAJA' UUN)
> ......PEACE TO ALL
> LET'S ALL BE JOYFUL.....BE HAPPY. ALWAYS SMILE DEEPLY.
> N J A G A............
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.comNjagga,
Peace be unto you and all (including Gurmets)on this list.
First and foremost one must look at the EXORBITANT costs of taking the
body home .Again I say it may be personal but it is our obligation as
brothers in Islam to minimize the burden on the family by simply just
burying here.There is nothing wrong in the graveyards here .It is the
same SAND/or DUST that we are returning to anyway.
Why do't we get accidental life insurance to solve this problem while we
are alive for just minimal cost compared to the final big journey home.
When you are dead your body does not feel the country it is buried .
Please do not get offended but it makes a lot of commonsense not to spend
seven or nine thousand dollars when you can do for one or two?
I again extend my sincere sympathy to the Jallow family and will help as
promised.
Habib
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Date: 16 Oct 1997 08:40:13 +0200
From: "Jobarteh, Momodou" <Momodou.Jobarteh@hordaland.vegvesen.telemax.no>
To: "Gambia-L -Internet... ." <Gambia-l@u.washington.edu> (Return requested)
Subject: Re. SOS clinic -political instability
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The clinic is situated at the SOS children village in Bakoteh, near to =
Serrekunda.
This have nothing to do with the Cassamance-refugees.
Thanks
Alhagi
---------- asbjorn.nordam wrote
14. oktober 1997 16:07
Glad to hear of this clinic, but where is it situated in the Gambia ?
Can that have anything to do with rumours of instability ? I think if
it=B4s close to the Casamance-refugees comming in, or ? Asbj=F8rn =
Nordam<<Fil: ATTACH01>>
=
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:21:15 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'Gambia-L'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: peepers
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Friends, also the Gambia-l-peepers, I have over the 9 month I=B4m been =
on
the list very often thaught like Andrea. Can I, with my bad english,
expres myself in a way that you, who don=B4t know me, will not
misunderstand what I=B4m saying, meaning or going for ? Surprisingly =
(!?)
over the period I have received two mails directed to my private
e-mail-adress, from gambians who I don=B4t know, and who are also =
peepers,
because I have never seen a contribution from them on the list. And the
letters were so nice, because they commented some of mine in a way,
that I got the feeling, that they have understood even between the
lines, what I was trying to express.And I also got the feeling that we
were becomming friends in some way. You all have something to say, to
tell, to contribute, and I try to read as much as possible, and try to
learn from it. And I will also try to find some of the human beings
behind the names. Some members of the list, who has said goodbye, being
back home, will certainly see me, when I pass by saying hello, having a
cup of tea and a chat the comming november, when I go for the
"mother-land". This list is here to stay as our chain or link. Just a
comment. Asbj=F8rn Nordam
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:28:33 PDT
From: "Omar Gibba" <ojgibba@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu, dekat@itis.com
Subject: Re: Sending a FAX over the Internet
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Hi Gambia_lers,
As far as I know, nothing has been mentioned about Katim's proposal,
(Sending a FAX over the Internet)to find out possibilities to connect or
include Gambia in the area covered. I think this is an opportunity we
have to exploit. I have tried the program at least three times, it is
very handy and fast, you also get a feedback as to whether the fax is
successfully sent or not.
Please try it.
With love,
Omar.
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>Hi Folks,
>
>i just ran across this Web site while i was browsing. i found it
really
>cool so i'm sending it out for your info.
>
>the service enables you to send faxes over the Internet and has a home
page
>located at:
>
>http://www-usa.tpc.int/tpc_home.html
>
>unfortunately, The Gambia is not included in the areas covered, so we
can
>look at this as an opportunity to get us connected (it's a cooperative
>system), or brood and moan some more. please take a good look at the
>coverage list, as well as instructions (they seem straightforward), and
see
>if you find it of use.
>
>have a great weekend!
>
>Katim
>
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:01:20 +0200
From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
To: "'Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.Washington.edu>
Subject: WHY I 'HATE' PEEPERS (REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOINT.)
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Morning Moe,
At least it's morning, quite a cold morning on this side of the
Atlantic. Quess what; when I got to work this morning the first thing I
did after booting my computer was to browse through my mail searching
for your reply that I was certain would be there!
Then to my utter surprise and greatest disappointment it turned out to
be a poem : "WHY I 'HATE' PEEPERS". To be honest I didn't recognize
myself it.
I was subscribed to the list just about three weeks ago and If my memory
serves me well my introduction was posted a few days later, that is
about two weeks ago! So I cannot have been much of a peeper. So I'm not
even good at peeping because when I heard/saw your "joke" I thought it
wasn't funny at all and my peeping hole was exposed because of the noise
I made, an unwelcome sound of disapproval. Should I have kept my mouth
shut and be a worthy peeper? No wander so many on the list opt for the
peeping option and unlike me they are so good at it that when they peep
they make sure that they don't make any sound that may expose their
hideout.
What a worthless unprfessional peeper I am! I must take a lesson form
those worthy peepers on the list if I 'm to be any good at it!
It cannot be a bad idea if a debate about the appointment of Rev. Jesse
Jackson and the democratic nature of Uncle Sam should degenerate into
the cataloguing of personal accademic avhievements and unjust
accusations.
I don't want to tell my life story, at least not before I feel that it
is complete. A friend of mine, George 'Ade' Joof whom I once lived
together with in Tripoli wrote an article entitled : "OUR PLIGHT ACROSS
THE SAHARA" which was published in "THE GAMBIA NEWSLETTER" in Stockholm.
It's graphic depiction of the journey and the dangers involved was so
complete that many responed to the article. They could hardly believe
what they read.
Young able bodied Gambians and other young west Africans dying, others
arriving half-dead in Libya. Most of us illeterate or semi-literate,
what we had in common was the desire to create a better future, most of
us coming from families that could not afford an alternative means of
travel. In that plight across the desert I learnt what no book could
teach me.
That's when i enlisted in MOJA., a banned political movement! I saw that
the solution to our problem was not merely economic, it was also
political. I am known for speaking my mind first and thinking about the
consequences later. I engaged the ex-ambassador to Britain, also
responsible for Scandinavia Sam Sarr, politically in public in Oslo in
and left him seething with rage. So I'm not a peeper. When I contribute
something. I want it to be original, relevant and factual. So you'll be
hearing more from me, hopefully not to conduct the kind of exchanges
that we've had during the past few days.
No hard feelings brother. As the Rev. Jesse Jackson once said at a
Democrat Party convention refering to the different modes of travel that
the black man and the white man used to get to America : They came in a
passanger ship and we came in a slave ship, but tiday we are in the same
boat.
A. Kabir Njie
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:45:49 +0200
From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
To: "'Gambia-L@u.washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Subscribe
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Hey list managers,
Please subscribe a Moroccan colleague of mine to the list.
His address: Said.Quamar@Aviaplan.no
Thanks in advance.
A Kabir Njie.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 04:31:04 PDT
From: EVERY TUB HAFFI GO SIDDUNG PON DEM OWNA BUTTOM <ABARROW@rr5.rr.intel.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: HUMOUR (Things we can learn from a Dog)
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From: RR5::RHICKMAN "PHI THETA KAPPA ALUMNI" 16-OCT-1997 01:54:37.37
To: ABARROW@RR5.INTEL.COM
CC:
Subj: THINGS WE CAN LEARN FORM A DOG!
THINGS WE CAN LEARN FROM A DOG...
Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joyride.
Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face to
be pure ecstasy.
When loved ones come home, always run to greet them.
When it's in your best interest, practice obedience.
Let others know when they've invaded your territory.
Take naps and stretch before rising.
Run, romp and play daily.
Eat with gusto and enthusiasm.
Be loyal.
Never pretend to be something you're not.
If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it.
When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by
and nuzzle them gently.
Thrive on attention and let people touch you.
Avoid biting when a simple growl will do.
On hot days, drink lots of water and lay under a shady tree.
When you're happy, dance around and wag your entire body.
No matter how often you're scolded, don't buy into the guilt
thing and pout...run right back and make friends.
Bond with your pack.
Delight in the simple joy of a long walk.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:41:12 +0200
From: Amadou Kabir Njie <Amadou.Kabir.Njie@Aviaplan.no>
To: "'Gambia-L@u.washington.edu'" <Gambia-L@u.washington.edu>
Subject: REJOINDER TO "RE: WHY I 'HATE' PEEPERS (REV. JESSE JACKSON APPOIN
T.)"
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Hey again,
When my posting from earlier this morning popped up on my screen I
re-read it and discovered some typing errors. Please allow me to rectify
them.
*The last sentence in the first paragraph should have read : "To be
honest I did not recognise myself in it" and not ..myself it.
*In the second to last paragraph an "in" managed to sneak in after The
word Oslo. I thought I had gotten rid of it but it seems to have
stubbornly hung on.
*In the last paragraph Democrat Party should have read "Democratic
Party". Or? I hate English!
A. Kabir Njie
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:31:26 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: These terrible WHITE people
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Torstein Grotnes wrote:
"... I can't see how it really helps in anything except sementing a to
simple and wrong view on how countries and governments operate. When I hear
about black communities, black churches etc. in my simple mind I start
wondering on why they focus so strongly on the color? ..."
BECAUSE *C*O*L*O*R* IS THE MAGIC WORD THAT WAS AND IS STILL BEING
USED/MISUSED TO JUDGE/MISJUDGE "BLACK" PEOPLE'S QUALITY. WE ALL KNOW THE
CONSEQUENCES, NO NEED GOING INTO THAT. THESE "BLACK" COMMUNITIES AND "BLACK"
CHURCHES AND OTHER "BLACK" THINGS HAVE THE ONLY MEANS TO TACKLE THIS
*C*O*L*O*R* PROBLEM BY ADDRESSING ISSUES OF "THEIR" *C*O*L*O*R* - "BLACK".
YOU FURTHER ASKED:
"... Is it not precisely the focus on appearance and color to value a person
what western countries so grossly has been misusing? ..."
THAT'S RIGHT! AS I SAID, IT IS A *C*O*L*O*R* PROBLEM WHICH CAN'T BE SOLVE
WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE ITSELF - AGAIN, *C*O*L*O*R*.
TORSTEIN! IT IS OF NO SECRET THAT, TOO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE BELIEF THE
"BLACK" MAN'S INFERIORITY... AND VERY SADLY, TOO MANY "BLACKS" ARE MADE TO
BELIEF IT TOO... AAH, WE ALL KNOW HOW. NOW, DO YOU HAVE A SOLUTION TO THIS
INDIVIDUAL, NATIONAL, AND INTERNATIONAL *C*O*L*O*R* PROBLEM WITHOUT A
MENTION OF THIS CONCEPT OF *C*O*L*O*R*? ...AM EAGER TO HEAR IT.
BTW, BY THE GUIDIANCE OF YOUR CONSCIENCE, YOU NEED NOT ASSOCIATE YOURSELF BY
THE MENTION OF THE MAGIC WORD - *C*O*L*O*R* FOR AS
JUST MY TEN KRONER.
REGARDS,
ABDOU OUJIMAI.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:54:45 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: These terrible WHITE people
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In my previous mail, please disregard the last two word "FOR AS" in the last
paragraph. Also, "guidance" not "guidiance" editing error. I wrote:
BTW, BY THE GUIDIANCE OF YOUR CONSCIENCE, YOU NEED NOT ASSOCIATE YOURSELF BY
THE MENTION OF THE MAGIC WORD - *C*O*L*O*R* FOR AS
Thanks for the patience!
Abdou Oujimai
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:57:37 PDT
From: "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: member list
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>I would like to ask if anyone can explain to me JAmmehs use of the word
>"dirmocracy". I read it on one of the recent online issues of the Daily
>Observer, What does dirmocracy mean?
>
>
>best regards. Jobst
>
>______________________________________________________
>*******************************************************
di-CTATO-r-IAL,MOCRACY>>>>>>////????????????
in good faith, njaga.
let's rejoice for the good in life,
i believe in the inherent goodness of mankind..
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:09:09 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New members
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Said Quamar, Ayo Nelson-Homiah and Alieu Jagne have been added
to the list. Welcome to our electronic Bantaba (Penchabi).
Please send a brief introduntion to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
regards
Momodou Camara.
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:27:20 +0300
From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: On Peepers
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Mr.Sall,
Thanks and keep up the good work down there! We would kill to
here more from you occasionally,the pressures on you notwithstanding.
Regards Basss!
----------
> From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu>
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: On Peepers
> Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 2:54 AM
>
light.
> > For the new folks and those who may have forgotten, Ebrima is
> > the Director of CODESRIA, the Human Rights Org. which focuses
> > on intellectual freedom in Africa among other issues. It is
> > based in Senegal.
> > Perhaps he can fill us in on the casamance situation for starters?
> >
> > Welcome back, Ebrima.
> >
> > LatJor
>
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:35:59 +0300
From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: On Peepers
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Mr.Sall,
Meant to say: " we would kill to HEAR more from you"
Regards Bass!
----------
> From: Bassirou Dodou Drammeh <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: On Peepers
> Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 6:27 PM
>
> Mr.Sall,
> Thanks and keep up the good work down there! We would kill to
> here more from you occasionally,the pressures on you notwithstanding.
>
> Regards Basss!
>
> ----------
> > From: Ebrima Sall <ebrima.sall@yale.edu>
> > To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
> <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Re: On Peepers
> > Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 2:54 AM
> >
> light.
> > > For the new folks and those who may have forgotten, Ebrima is
> > > the Director of CODESRIA, the Human Rights Org. which focuses
> > > on intellectual freedom in Africa among other issues. It is
> > > based in Senegal.
> > > Perhaps he can fill us in on the casamance situation for starters?
> > >
> > > Welcome back, Ebrima.
> > >
> > > LatJor
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:47:09 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Asbj=F8rn_Nordam?= <asbjorn.nordam@dif.dk>
To: "'Gambia-L'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: education support by alumni ass.?
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Some days ago Gabriel Ndow put up a suggestion, that to get started to
support the education in the Gambia, you could raise funds and
support, when your old alma mater - high schools were asking.
Long time ago I answered those of you, who suggested to form an
educational group and put up some aims/goals in an action plan, that it
was welcomed by me, because I preferred to support generally, instead
of, as I do today, support some persons introduced to me, and a few
schools, where I know a teacher or a headmaster.
But as I also said, it is very nice to know the person or the specific
school, come and see that the support given is also helping. There is =
a
great personal satisfaction and motivation by doing so. So I can
understand why Mr. Ndow try to get some action by his proposal.
Me myself are visiting my former high school every 5 years (the best in
the country - we say, who are graduated from that school), and we are
some who collect for scholarships for students from our school, when
they are going for further studies. The scholarships are gifts and =
free,
but we tell the students, who obtain such scholarships, that they are
morally obliged to pay back one day. So after finishing studies, =
getting
a job, raising a family and so, they come to an age or period in life,
when they can pay back the money giving years ealier. The sum for
scholarships are in this way growing year by year, so more students can
get higher sums for their studies.
I think that we - the "right- ones" become a sort of an "elite", which =
I
don=B4t know if I=B4m so proud of being. We are, as Mr. Ndow says,
"emotionel attached" to our good old alma mater. We see ourselves in a
long row of students from that school, which history goes back to the
Middle age - 14th century, and we remind one another about the banner
under which we spend 3-5 years in that school for life: "Vitam =
impendere
vero". When we meet we just say, "Viborg Katedralskole" (The
Cathedral-school of Viborg - the town where the danish kings had to =
come
and present them to the people of Jutland) and the year we were
graduated 1966 or 1950 or 1995, and then we have some kind of secret
"relationship", meaning we stand together no matter what, we help each
other etc.
I think there is something positive in Mr. Ndow=B4s suggestion, and if
that=B4s a way of bringing things into action, I wellcome it. But the
negative aspect is the above mentionned, that the supporters will =
become
some sort of an "elite", and we keep non-graduated from supporting. Or
what ? And it means to a person like me, that I either will continue on
my own private support, or you must try to inform me, if your
established Alumni Associations will have something from me. Else or
maybe better, I will stick to my idea of supporting Gambia College and
GTTI.=20
Please can someone from the educational committee tell me if you have
come up with something, or you have something in mind for realization.
Please send it to my e-mail-adress. Asbj=F8rn Nordam
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:35:07 +0000
From: S Njie <S.Njie@commonwealth.int>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: member list
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Concerning Jammeh's use of the word Dirimocracy, you will probaly
recall that the Dirimo ( digirm'e, grass-cutter , diks, cane rat )is a
habitual thief and hordes its stolen booty. My humble interpretation of
a dirimocrat is a human " Rat " that has stolen the assets of the
country and " horded " it for their personnal use.
On a lighter note there was a period when almost everyone in Gambia
joined the " Rat (excuse the pun ) " Race. Only those that had no
access to the booty,the morally resilient and the spiritually strong
resisted the race to out-do the joneses in search of economic
prosperity at whatever cost.Indeed that was the era of the damaging
directors and not managing directors.It was the zeitgeist ( sign of the
times ) and no one individual could be blamed for it .Rather it was more
of a collective malaise,fuelled by the reticence of our spiritual and
religious leaders to speak out against moral bankruptcy and the
gradual destruction of very fabric and essence of the Gambian society
as we knew it. If one believes in predestination,one can opine that
Jammeh was destined to
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:01:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "YAYA S. SISAY" <sisayy@wabash.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Searching for a phone number.
Message-ID: <C8BF9D586D@scholar.wabash.edu>
I was just wandering if any list member knows Mam Lye fye. I had his
phone number but i lost it. I am now goin to North carolina, this
weekend, where he is at, so i would really appreciate it if somebody
that knows him, forward his phone number to me.
My e-mail address once again is: Sisayy@wabash.edu
I would really appreciate this favor.
Peace!
Yaya!
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:41:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: MJagana@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Fwd: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
Message-ID: <971016164033_1000060117@emout04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-10-12 01:29:37 EDT, hghanim@erols.com writes:
<< How will Rev Jackson do that duty and from where??Who will monitor his
assessments? Will Africans be part of his team??
Habib >>
good questions
mj
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Date: 97-10-12 01:29:37 EDT
Hous@aol.com wrote:
>
> Yes folks.Prez Clinton has appointed Jesse Jackson yesterday in
> Philadelphia as a roving ambassador to promote democracy in Africa.Please
> give me your fair assessement on this.Isn't it about time we are part of
the
> NEW WORLD ORDER.For all fairness Africa has been excluded.There are three
> options to restore democracy in some countries in Africa:-
> 1 Deplomacy
> 2 Economic embargo
> 3 Military intervention
> Soft talking deplomacy has done very little in solving international
> disputes.It wouldn't help in Africa.
> Has Economic Embargo been an effective tool any where in the world? No.It
did
> not work in Cuba nor in North Korea nor Libya and the list goes on.
> Military intervention? Yes .It has been used countless times to restore
peace
> and democracy in a lot of places in the world.Most recently Bosnia and
Haiti
> .I think only military might could eradicate some of our dictarors.
> Your consent?Hello everyone
How will Rev Jackson do that duty and from where??Who will monitor his
assessments? Will Africans be part of his team??
Habib
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: MJagana@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: 94090720@94.humber.ac.uk, ce0u309e@liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Fwd: Joke of the day...... :-)
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In a message dated 97-10-11 23:58:54 EDT, Rahsilver writes:
<< A woman accompanied her husband to the doctor's office. After his
checkup
the doctor called the wife into his office alone.
He said, "Your husband is suffering from a very severe disease,
combined
with horrible stress. If you don't do the following, your husband
will
surely die."
"Each morning, fix him a healthy breakfast. Be pleasant, and make
sure
he is in a good mood. For lunch make him a nutritious meal. For
dinner
prepare an especially nice meal for him. Don't burden him with
chores,
as he probably had a hard day. Don't discuss your problems with him,
it
will only make his stress worse. And most importantly. make love with
your
husband several times a week and satisfy his every whim." If you can
do
this for the next 10 months to a year, I think your husband will
regain
his health completely.
On the way home, the husband asked his wife. "What did the doctor
say?"
"You're going to die," she replied.
- COMPLIMENTS OF DAN >>
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To: MJagana,OAdamsiii
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Date: 97-10-06 15:32:47 EDT
From: Girly Duke
To: Scorpio2@erols.com
To: delcock@mnsinc.com,Jarvo,Wdukradio
To: GokuZx,KDani1709,Penpuhr
To: Rahsilver,JDDYMackBn,Pringal
To: NMack82109,CChest7293,BigNed1032
To: RomJos,boonek@ms.nidcd.nih.gov
To: HFelton@usa.net,wesmith@wam.umd.edu
To: jhsalt@eden.rutgers.edu
To: hubook@erols.com,JzySunFlwr
To: RNelsonJ@tufts.edu,mhodge@apc1.com
To: CAROLAN49
A woman accompanied her husband to the doctor's office. After his
checkup
the doctor called the wife into his office alone.
He said, "Your husband is suffering from a very severe disease,
combined
with horrible stress. If you don't do the following, your husband
will
surely die."
"Each morning, fix him a healthy breakfast. Be pleasant, and make
sure
he is in a good mood. For lunch make him a nutritious meal. For
dinner
prepare an especially nice meal for him. Don't burden him with
chores,
as he probably had a hard day. Don't discuss your problems with him,
it
will only make his stress worse. And most importantly. make love with
your
husband several times a week and satisfy his every whim." If you can
do
this for the next 10 months to a year, I think your husband will
regain
his health completely.
On the way home, the husband asked his wife. "What did the doctor
say?"
"You're going to die," she replied.
- COMPLIMENTS OF DAN
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:42:44 PDT
From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
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>Thomas Sankara, the President of Burkina Faso was assassinated 10 years
>ago in a counter-revolutionary coup led by his close confidant,
>Capt. Blaise Compaore. On that fateful day of October 15, 1987, Africa
>lost a son whose potential could only be rivaled by a fellow martyr for
>African freedom, Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba of the Congo.
>
>In early 1983, Sankara was appointed prime minister in the newly formed
>military regime led by President Jean-Baptise Ouedraogo, by May 17th of
>the same year, he was however removed from his post and placed under
>arrest for his increasing outspokeness on the unpatriotic interests and
>actions of the President and other top military and civilian elite.
>Thousands took to the streets to demand his freedom, hundreds found
>their way to Bo to receive military training from rebel leader Captain
>Blaise Compaore. By August 4th, 250 of these rebel troops marched on
>Ouagadougo (the capital of Burkina Faso), freed Sankara from detention
>and overthrew the regime. Sankara was then made President of the
Council
>of the Revolution.
>
>From that time on, Sankara became a champion of not only the oppressed
>of Burkina Faso, but also the rest of the world. His popularity however
>turned against him, as his close confidant, Blaise Compaore had him
>assassinated during a military counter-coup. Following the announcement
>of his death, and for many days thereafter, thousands of people
gathered
>to pay their respects around the shallow grave in which his body, and
>those of 12 of his murdered supporters were dumped. Many placed hand
>written notes with inscriptions such as "We are all Sankara" and
>"Sankara lives". The counter revolution had suceeded in killing Thomas,
>but not what he stood for. As a tribute to his honesty and simplicity
>all he left behind was an old Citroen and a Guitar.
>
>"If you kill Sankara, tomorrow there will be twenty more Sankaras," was
a
>quote he made when counter-revolutionary activities took place after
the
>revolution in October 1983. His words shall still come to pass, as
>Compaore and his co-conspirators shall be haunted by his spirit just as
>Mobutu was haunted by Lumumba.
>
>Thomas, rest in perfect peace, your memory shall be with us forever.
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:48:19 PDT
From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
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>Just to add some more information I consider important.
>
>Blaise Compaore who killed Thomas grew up with him (Thomas) under the
>care of Thomas' mother. So it was reported in many papers of
>that time. So close were these two that when Thomas got wind of
>Blaise's plan to assasinate him, he did not believe it. He was said to
>have told his informants that even if that was true, he could do
nothing
>about it for they were so "inseparably" bonded he could not imagine any
>defence he could put up to protect him from such a close relative. Of
>course he had options. He could have done to Compaore what the latter
>was planning against him. He could at least have imprisoned him. But
>he did not. He was (is) of a greater soul. Reminds me of
Shakespeare's
>"There is no art to find the mind's construction in the face. He was a
>gentleman on whom I built an absolute trust". Thomas apparently fell
>victim of the psychological phenomenon we describe as "seeing others
>through one's self". He couldn't have done it to Blaise and he felt
>same held for the traitor. The traitor killed him.
>
>The thought provoking lesson in this is, why is it that Africa kills
the
>best of her leaders while keeping the vagabonds amongst them even
>against the dictates of instinctive animal behaviour. In the case of
>Thomas, my bet is the French secret service had a hand in it. But why
>should the proximal hand be Blaise's. It is not unusual (particularly
>in that era) for western powers to despise any African (nay
non-western)
>leader who was out to improve the lot of his people. The only
>leadership acceptable was the inept and corrupt which allowed the west
a
>field day in the looting of African resources. This explains the quick
>demise of leaders like Sankara, Murtala Mohammed, Samora Machel; and
>the corollary, longevity of regimes like those of Mobutu Sese Seko,
>Babangida, Eyadema, Paul Biya, Dawda Jawara, Abdou Diouf etc.
>
>
>Talk about the African nightmare.
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:00:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: new member
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A.Y. Sallah has been added to the list. Welcome to our
bantaba and please send a brief intro. to our group. Our
address is: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
LatJor
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:15:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
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Jainaba:
You speak from the heart. Sankara lives in us all.
>Thomas apparently fell victim of the psychological phenomenon
>we describe as "seeing others through one's self".
Perhaps this is the greatest of all the lessons we should
learn from our venerated leader.
A luta continua!
LatJor
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:08:06 -0400
From: "Latir Downes-Thomas" <latir@earthlink.net>
To: "Gambia-L" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Albright: A 'New Tide' Rising In Africa
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Albright: A 'New Tide' Rising In Africa
United States Information Agency Wednesday, October 15, 1997 9:05:00 PM
Washington (USIA, October 14, 1997) - Following is the transcript of
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's and Special Envoy Reverend Jesse
Jackson's remarks on October 10 at Jackson's swearing-in ceremony as U.S.
special envoy for the promotion of democracy in Africa:
SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: Good morning. I would like to welcome our guests
from the White House, my colleagues from the Department and our other
special guests to the swearing in of Reverend Jesse Jackson as Special
Envoy for the President and Secretary of State for the Promotion of
Democracy in Africa. That is a long title for an important job to be
filled at a key moment by an extraordinary individual.
I have known the Reverend Jackson for quite a number of years. Before I
became a diplomat and had all my partisan instincts surgically removed,
I attended political conventions.
And I have sat in the audience as millions of others have sat in living
rooms across our country listening to this man weave out of mere words
a quilt of reason, passion, memory and aspiration that has enabled our
spirits to soar while guiding us across racial, ethnic, gender and
social lines to a heightened sense of kinship with each other.
Reverend Jackson is a man of immense energy, experience, caring and
commitment. I am pleased, and the President is pleased, to know that we
will be able to count on his counsel as he works closely with me and
with our Assistant Secretary for African Affairs here in the Department
on matters of great and increasing importance to our nation and the
world.
For there is a new tide rising in Africa. Although daunting problems of
conflict, debt and poverty remain, in many nations difficult reforms
are producing economic growth and progress towards democracy. The end
of Cold War rivalries, the evolution of a new South Africa and the
transparent bankruptcy of neocolonial attitudes have combined to create
new opportunities and models for political expression.
Across the continent, we see leaders determined to replace autocracy
and strife with democracy and stability; to battle despair instead of
domestic rivals or hostile neighbors; to transform nations that were
once mired in stagnation into engines of growth; and to stand before
the international community not as supplicants, but as full
participants. In encouraging these trends, ours is a supporting role.
We must listen carefully to what African leaders and citizens have to
say about the challenges they face and the solutions they favor.
Reverend Jackson is ideally suited to help us as we proceed to build
partnerships and establish dialogues to assist Africans as they move
down the democratic road. He is, after all, well known to African
leaders. He is deeply respected by the African people. He has been a
champion of human rights and human dignity throughout his career.
Reverend Jackson has also acquired a deep understanding of how our own
democracy functions. In fact, he has probably been responsible for the
registration of more American voters than any other single public
figure in our history with the exception of Susan B. Anthony.
The appointment we observe and celebrate today is a sign of this
Administration's commitment to a new relationship, on improved terms,
with a new Africa.
I look forward to my own visit to the continent, roughly two months
from now. I look forward to benefiting from the insights of our new
special envoy. And I look forward to a new era of steadily increasing
democracy, human rights and good governance not only in Africa, but
around the equator and from pole to pole.
Reverend Jackson, on behalf of President Clinton, and on behalf of the
U.S. Department of State, welcome to Foggy Bottom [the geographic area
of Washington where the State Department is located], welcome to the
team.
REVEREND JACKSON: It was a moment of unusual joy and great satisfaction
when I received the call from National Security Council Chief Sandy
Berger on Wednesday, October 8, my birthday, who offered
congratulations and greeted me as the Special Envoy for the President
of the United States and Secretary of State to Africa. What joy, what
privilege, what responsibility. I called my mother; we prayed.
It is quite a journey from Haynie Street in Greenville, South Carolina.
A happy home, but an environment of such low expectations, where our
family was denied the right to vote, even though my father was an
honorably discharged veteran of the army. From that to an assignment by
the President and Secretary of State, to, in some small measure, to
help shape our foreign policy by building bridges between the U.S. and
Africa.
I want to express my thanks to Secretary Albright for her principled
leadership, and for our relationship across the years, and especially
for her support and encouragement for me to assume a relationship with
the Department of State as a Special Envoy. I want to express thanks to
the President for the confidence he has shown in me by appointing me to
conduct previous foreign policy missions on behalf of his
administration. Especially the role as Special Envoy to Africa. Africa,
a continent with such vast people, potential and raw materials, with
such rich history, is so vital to world development and growth.
Through the years I have been able to develop a view of the world in
part because of my kinship with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and Dr.
Samuel Proctor, which led me to world travels and taught me abiding
principles about our relationship to other countries, that guide my
view to this day. The U.S. is so blessed and so powerful, and thus has
the awesome responsibility to be a force for good in the world. I've
sought to embrace the principles of international law, human rights,
self-determination, economic justice, the golden rule of reciprocal and
mutually beneficial relationships and concern for the least of these as
abiding principles relating to the world community.
I am especially delighted at this moment in history to work on behalf
of our government, as it assumes a most morally correct and politically
mature relationship with Africa. Africa has meant so much to the world.
It helped to subsidize the development of our country and Europe.
Through centuries of work without wages and exploitation of vast raw
materials, the contribution of the peoples of Africa and its
contribution of raw materials constituted a subsidy to the development
of Western civilization.
Now in this period of post-colonialism, President Clinton asserts the
idea of Africa as a reciprocal trading partner, a continent of
expanding democracies, a continent of hope and opportunity. This
position is politically astute, morally correct and in our compelling
national interest to fulfill. I look forward to being a part of an
effort to build bridges of hope between the U.S. and Africa. A high
degree of mutual respect and reciprocal trade will be to the lasting
benefit of these two great continents.
We often see Africa through the lens of the Western media as a series
of failures, crises, basket cases and unstable governments. The media
must tell a truer, more representative story about Africa and our past,
present and future relationships. Our political leadership must be
aware of our compelling national interest in African and American joint
ventures of mutual development and growth.
We are neighbors, not as far apart as the perception. For example, two
friends can get on separate planes at Kennedy Airport -- one going to
Los Angeles and one to Senegal. They both arrive about the same time.
We are geographically closer than perception. Africa is vast. You can
put China, Europe, Argentina, Australia and India in Africa, with some
land space left over. One-eighth of the human race is African. The U.S.
has a trade surplus with Africa. We do more trade with Africa than with
all former Eastern Bloc countries combined. The promise for growth and
trade is vast.
On my last trip to Zimbabwe in July, the continent was still
reverberating with appreciation over the trip of the First Lady,
Hillary Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton as they sought to expose the
growth, beauty, development and the remaining challenges. We must not
romanticize or underestimate the challenges in Africa after several
centuries of rape and colonialism and oppression and denial. There is
so much devastation and infrastructure destruction. And yet the good
news, in spite of that, is that there are reasons for hope. Africa is
rebounding with vitality and promise. It is producing world-class
leadership. Robert Mugabe, President of Zimbabwe, who heads the OAU,
and President Nelson Mandela are leading growing economies with
multicultural, multiracial societies. They bring a quality of
leadership to the world community that is healing and redemptive.
As we near the end of this millennium and look back over this century,
many thought that the plight of Africa was forever doomed -- reduced to
Hollywood caricatures and stereotypes. But as the century ends, every
African country has shaken the shackles of colonialism. They defeated
power after power with their will to be free, the baring of their
souls, too often sacrificing the lives of the young and the innocent
without dropping a single bomb. It has been a century of struggles,
scars and victories. There is reason to be hopeful.
Now as we embark upon the mission to contribute to the resurgence and
the expansion of democracies, human rights and economic development in
Africa, we find that our national origin with Africa and our destiny
are amazingly intertwined. We need each other. And if we work together
with a shared commitment to humane priorities and shared democratic
values, together we will be a force for good in the world of which this
generation and the world can be justly proud.
I look forward to working with this team to Keep Hope Alive!
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:42:28 -0700
From: Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Cc: "c:netscapeMAILSent"@smtp3.erols.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: REV JESSE JACKSON APPOINTED TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA
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MJagana@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-10-12 01:29:37 EDT, hghanim@erols.com writes:
>
> << How will Rev Jackson do that duty and from where??Who will monitor his
> assessments? Will Africans be part of his team??
> Habib >>
>
> good questions
>
> mj
> ---------------------
> Forwarded message:
> From: hghanim@erols.com (Habib Ghanim)
> Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu
> Reply-to: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu (The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List)
> Date: 97-10-12 01:29:37 EDT
>
> Hous@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Yes folks.Prez Clinton has appointed Jesse Jackson yesterday in
> > Philadelphia as a roving ambassador to promote democracy in Africa.Please
> > give me your fair assessement on this.Isn't it about time we are part of
> the
> > NEW WORLD ORDER.For all fairness Africa has been excluded.There are three
> > options to restore democracy in some countries in Africa:-
> > 1 Deplomacy
> > 2 Economic embargo
> > 3 Military intervention
> > Soft talking deplomacy has done very little in solving international
> > disputes.It wouldn't help in Africa.
> > Has Economic Embargo been an effective tool any where in the world? No.It
> did
> > not work in Cuba nor in North Korea nor Libya and the list goes on.
> > Military intervention? Yes .It has been used countless times to restore
> peace
> > and democracy in a lot of places in the world.Most recently Bosnia and
> Haiti
> > .I think only military might could eradicate some of our dictarors.
> > Your consent?Hello everyone
> How will Rev Jackson do that duty and from where??Who will monitor his
> assessments? Will Africans be part of his team??
> HabibRev Jackson has a very good domestic program in the Rainbow coalition but
how much does he understand the African issues from the African
perspective.? I think we need to be involved in this because he can be
driven towards comparing apples and oranges (ie - America vs Africa) One
is much more advanced in almost all aspects of development and the other
Africa which lost it's historical riches is now much less advanced in the
eyes of most politicians including Rev Jackson and our very own leaders.
Food for thought.
Habib
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:50:53 +0300
From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
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Jainaba!
That was great! Thanks and keep up the good work down there.
Regards Bassss!
----------
> From: Jainaba Diallo <jai_diallo@hotmail.com>
> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List
<gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
> Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 1:48 AM
>
> >Just to add some more information I consider important.
> >
> >Blaise Compaore who killed Thomas grew up with him (Thomas) under the
> >care of Thomas' mother. So it was reported in many papers of
> >that time. So close were these two that when Thomas got wind of
> >Blaise's plan to assasinate him, he did not believe it. He was said to
> >have told his informants that even if that was true, he could do
> nothing
> >about it for they were so "inseparably" bonded he could not imagine any
> >defence he could put up to protect him from such a close relative. Of
> >course he had options. He could have done to Compaore what the latter
> >was planning against him. He could at least have imprisoned him. But
> >he did not. He was (is) of a greater soul. Reminds me of
> Shakespeare's
> >"There is no art to find the mind's construction in the face. He was a
> >gentleman on whom I built an absolute trust". Thomas apparently fell
> >victim of the psychological phenomenon we describe as "seeing others
> >through one's self". He couldn't have done it to Blaise and he felt
> >same held for the traitor. The traitor killed him.
> >
> >The thought provoking lesson in this is, why is it that Africa kills
> the
> >best of her leaders while keeping the vagabonds amongst them even
> >against the dictates of instinctive animal behaviour. In the case of
> >Thomas, my bet is the French secret service had a hand in it. But why
> >should the proximal hand be Blaise's. It is not unusual (particularly
> >in that era) for western powers to despise any African (nay
> non-western)
> >leader who was out to improve the lot of his people. The only
> >leadership acceptable was the inept and corrupt which allowed the west
> a
> >field day in the looting of African resources. This explains the quick
> >demise of leaders like Sankara, Murtala Mohammed, Samora Machel; and
> >the corollary, longevity of regimes like those of Mobutu Sese Seko,
> >Babangida, Eyadema, Paul Biya, Dawda Jawara, Abdou Diouf etc.
> >
> >
> >Talk about the African nightmare.
> >
>
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:08:56 +0300
From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: A Poem: "My mother doesn't know ..." (fwd)
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A great INTERNATIONAL Poem!
Regards Basss!
> >
> > MY MOTHER DOESN'T KNOW ...
> >
> > Does she know what day is today?
> > Does she know when it was agreed on?
> > But equally on this day,
> > I still ask myself a number of questions:
> > Why do you 'enlightened' women allow your dress to fall
> > down easily,
> > In stupid scenes in films, on TV, etc.?
> > Why do you ask the authorities to accept prostitution as an
> > occupation?
> > Because of some of these things,
> > It is difficult a fight you have ahead of you.
> > So please start right here in the West.
> > Can you persuade women Turks not to wear their veils?
> > Can you persuade Arab women in rich Saudi Arabia to throw
> > theirs aside?
> > Can you persuade women to enter areas in mosques reserved
> > for men?
> > Can you get the Catholic church to have women priests all
> > over the world?
> > Why are you satisfied by explanation of culture alone?
> > Whatever, I am hopeful.
> > Just like you.
> > ===============================================
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mallam O.
> > ==============================================
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:40:00 +0100
From: Abdou Gibba <Abdou.Gibba@smr.uib.no>
To: gambia-l <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: These terrible WHITE people
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Hi G-lers, I have seen that this mail didn't come through yesterday...will
try again.
TORSTEIN GROTNES WROTE:
"... I can't see how it really helps in anything except sementing a to
simple and wrong view on how countries and governments operate. When I hear
about black communities, black churches etc. in my simple mind I start
wondering on why they focus so strongly on the color? ..."
BECAUSE *C*O*L*O*R* IS THE MAGIC WORD THAT WAS AND IS STILL BEING
USED/MISUSED TO JUDGE/MISJUDGE "BLACK" PEOPLE'S QUALITY. WE ALL KNOW THE
CONSEQUENCES, NO NEED GOING INTO THAT. THESE "BLACK" COMMUNITIES AND "BLACK"
CHURCHES AND OTHER "BLACK" THINGS HAVE THE ONLY MEANS TO TACKLE THIS
*C*O*L*O*R* PROBLEM BY ADDRESSING ISSUES OF "THEIR" *C*O*L*O*R* - "BLACK".
YOU FURTHER ASKED:
"... Is it not precisely the focus on appearance and color to value a person
what western countries so grossly has been misusing? ..."
THAT'S RIGHT! AS I SAID, IT IS A *C*O*L*O*R* PROBLEM WHICH CAN'T BE SOLVE
WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE ITSELF - AGAIN, *C*O*L*O*R*.
TORSTEIN! IT IS OF NO SECRET THAT, TOO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE BELIEF THE
"BLACK" MAN'S INFERIORITY... AND VERY SADLY, TOO MANY "BLACKS" ARE MADE TO
BELIEF IT TOO... AAH, WE ALL KNOW HOW. NOW, DO YOU HAVE A SOLUTION TO THIS
INDIVIDUAL, NATIONAL, AND INTERNATIONAL *C*O*L*O*R* PROBLEM WITHOUT A
MENTION OF THIS CONCEPT OF *C*O*L*O*R*? ...AM EAGER TO HEAR IT.
BTW, BY THE GUIDANCE OF YOUR CONSCIENCE, YOU NEED NOT ASSOCIATE YOURSELF BY
THE MENTION OF THE MAGIC WORD - *C*O*L*O*R*.
JUST MY TEN KRONER.
REGARDS,
ABDOU OUJIMAI.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:36:59 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: FELCH.
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DIRIMOCRACY.
I always thought Colonel (rtd) Jammeh was a funny geezer. He uses the
word dirimocracy. According to Mr. N'Jie it means someone who steals the
nations wealth and hoardes it. Well should Jammeh be reminded of the $24m
transferred, rather dubiously, to private (Not Gambia Govt.) accounts, in
Switzerland.
Maybe he intended to replace the funds after the profits from the 6.5m
tonnes of heroin were realised. Or perhaps if operation "Green Money" took
off. To be honest, I think it would have been hilarious if he'd managed to
%$&* the dollar up. Or flood the streets of San Francisco with heroin.
Well praise be to that honest, humanitarian, incorruptible, accountable,
transparent, patriotic son of Gambia, no the World, Colonel (rtd) Jammeh.
Like my learned fellow Gambian, Bass puts it, keep up the good work down
there.
Best regards,
Ebrima Jawara.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 07:48:14 -0400
From: Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com>
To: "'gambia-l@u.washington.edu'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Thomas Sankara 12/21/49-10/15/87
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Thank you, Jainaba for the two pieces. Sankara was and still remains a
shining STAR to those who know that Africa can emerge, again, as a force
to be reckoned with through the kind of selfless leadership that SANKARA
espoused and practiced. He had a broader view than most on what the
revolution entailed and he set himself on the path to complete the
revolution just like Ernesto "CHE" Guevera had when it came to the
revolution of the colored people. He is one among the many we had to be
emulated for the good of Africa. Again, thanks!
Soffie
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 08:23:55 -0100
From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Re. SOS clinic -political instability
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Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm>
via Commit
>From: Jobarteh, Momodou
>The clinic is situated at the SOS children village in Bakoteh, near to
>Serrekunda.
>This have nothing to do with the Cassamance-refugees.
>Thanks
>Alhagi
Just a note:
I went to the medical center at SOS today for a regular check-up
and the place is very nice and professional. Its main aim is towards
infants and children care but it also takes regular patients.
The doctor I consulted was very professional and used the necessary time,
as you would expect from a good "western" practice.
The help nurse was also very polite and knowledgeable in her work.
The buildings are also very inviting with white tiles and are kept very tidy and clean.
Together with the center they have a well equipped pharmacy, where you
can buy your medicines.
The center seems to be very popular and already when the center opened in the
morning they had several mothers waiting with their children.
They charges D15 for "local people" with children while they charged me D150;
I guess since I looked like an expatriate?!
There is 100% tranquillity at the center, and I have never heard about any problems
at the center. The rest of the SOS is also a shining example of a high standard help
organization for children.
Best Regards,
Torstein
The Gambia
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:42:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Error Felch.
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Many appologies, earlier today I sent a message to the list in which I
gave a rather inflated figure. I typed 6.5m tonnes, it should have read
6.5 tonnes.
Ebs Jawara.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:09:27 -0400
From: Naffie Jammeh <nj368917@gwmail.kysu.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: list a friend
Message-ID: <s4479bd3.072@gwmail.kysu.edu>
Latjor,
Sulayman Bayo would like to be added
to the list.
His email address is kabba@aol.com
peace
Naf.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:38:06 -0100
From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: These terrible WHITE people
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Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm>
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Hello Mr.Gibba.
You wrote:
> NOW, DO YOU HAVE A SOLUTION TO THIS
> INDIVIDUAL, NATIONAL, AND INTERNATIONAL *C*O*L*O*R* PROBLEM WITHOUT A
> MENTION OF THIS CONCEPT OF *C*O*L*O*R*? ...AM EAGER TO HEAR IT.
Well, what about simply stop putting emphasis on color?
If a Gambian or otherwise a person with a dark complexion comes up to
me and says; "I'm black and I'm proud of it" it tells me nothing about this
person. The only thing he/she tells me is that I should consider his/her color as a
value to what/who he/she is?!
My response to this statement will always be: "so what?"
The next thing I would do is to ask him/her what is your name, where do you come
from etc. Then I'll get to know him/her, little by little.
What I am saying is that using color as a thing to always put importance
on, will make it more difficult to focus on a real evaluation of the person
(i.e. what country, your beliefs, age, type of education, political position etc.)
When I read really angry or exited mails(using big letters..) from some of Gambia-L's
"hard-liners?!"
there is an description of people being either WHITE or BLACK. There seem to be no room for
anything
in between?! For me it resembles a cold war between "evil" and "good" people, where the evil ones
are "WHITE" and the good ones are "BLACK"...(and the few bad "blacks" are traitors?!")
The last cold war was between to superpowers and two political systems, and I just hope history
will
view that "war" as one of the most stupid things mankind has done to itself.
Sincerely,
Torstein
The Gambia
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:30:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: new member
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Greetings:
Sulayman Bayo has been added to our bantaba. Welcome and please
send a brief introduction of yourself to the list. Our
address is: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
LatJor
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:43:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: These terrible WHITE people
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I wonder who is on Torstein's list of "hardliners?!"?
Hardline on/to what? Hardline towards whom?
Most of what has been written here has not been based on personal
attacks, rather on systems and groups that have historically
persecuted Blacks/ Africans. This being the case, I could care
less if I am considered by Torstein as one of his "hardliners?!"
Skin color is not a gambian/african/black hang-up, it is a
toubabo hang-up. Who's been catching hell for the melanin
content of their skin???
LatJor
P.S. I am only speaking for myself since I have stated things
regarding Whites/Euros/Westerners on some issues though hardly
on skin color, I thought I might share my opinion.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:46:45 PDT
From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Error Felch.
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Ebrima,
Where do you get your figures from???? Are you an agent of the former
regime??? Inquiring minds want to know....
Cheerio,
Jainaba.
(BTW, are you related to the former president? Need not answer!!)
*********************************************************************
>Many appologies, earlier today I sent a message to the list in which I
>gave a rather inflated figure. I typed 6.5m tonnes, it should have read
>6.5 tonnes.
>
>Ebs Jawara.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:55:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: education support by alumni ass.?
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Greetings Asbjorn:
The suggestion I made on creating alumni assns. was not to
do away with the general efforts of the education committee,
or for elitis reasons, or to keep folks like you from making
meaningful contributions to gambian education. Perhaps
you missed my point.r I did give my reasons for initiating
such a dialogue.
Yes I wanted to keep the issue of education in our discussions,
and yes we all have a certain emotional attachment to our
alma mata (just as you pointed out in your case).
Consider the creation of these associations (i.e. if and when
they are created) as a way to expand our base of potential
contributors to gambian education. Especially among gambians
who may not be on this list. It was to gambians I was referring
to for as the saying goes: ndimbal na cha feka loho borom -
Let the hand of the one being aided be found in the aiding.
Your concern and assistance is greatly appreciated.
LatJor
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 02:24:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Albright: A 'New Tide' Rising In Africa
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I think Jesse Jackson ought to be given a chance first before
we criticize him. He certainly has a track record as an
Envoy (officially sanctioned or not). Recall the Iran hostage crisis,
anti-apartheid efforts to free Mandela and abolish that hideous
system, Nigeria ...
He is well known and respected throughout Africa. And
more importantly he is sensitive to African affairs. His track
record demonstrates this.
We should also not forget that he is just an Envoy of the U.S.
government, answerable to the Assistant Secretary of State for
African Affairs, the Secretary of State and of course Pres. Bill
Clinton. So of course he will have to represent his bosses. On
the other hand, who better to be appointed to this position
as advisor to the U.S. govt. than a friend of Africa?
We may be asking too much by requiring him to have African
advisors on his team. This is the U.S. govt. folks. I for one
trust his good judgement on this issue. (Moe's comment relating
to the Boule left me smiling.)
Finally, let us for the time being bask in his words:
>I am especially delighted at this moment in history to work on behalf
>of our government, as it assumes a most morally correct and politically
mature relationship with Africa. Africa has meant so much to the world.
It helped to subsidize the development of our country and Europe.
Through centuries of work without wages and exploitation of vast raw
materials, the contribution of the peoples of Africa and its
contribution of raw materials constituted a subsidy to the development
of Western civilization.
>>>>
LatJor
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:35:27 -0400
From: "Latir Downes-Thomas" <latir@earthlink.net>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Error Felch.
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From: Jainaba Diallo <jai_diallo@hotmail.com>
>Ebrima,
>
>Where do you get your figures from???? Are you an agent of the former
>regime??? Inquiring minds want to know....
>
>Cheerio,
>
>Jainaba.
>(BTW, are you related to the former president? Need not answer!!)
In defence of Ebrima, I can confirm that the $24 million and the 6.5 tonnes
are known documented figures.
The $24 million figure can be found in court records in Switzerland from the
suit filed by the Government of The Gambia against Ebou Jallow, the former
AFPRC member.
The 6.5 tonnes of heroin was mentioned in a press release and confirmed at a
press conference by Mauritanian authorities. The same authorities later put
out another release stating that the drugs, which were confiscated from a
container destined to the Gambian Ministry of Agriculture, were in fact
cannabis and not heroin.
Ebrima will have to elaborate on the "Green Money" operation he referred to
but I believe this has to do with an allegation made by Jallow in his letter
of resignation that was sent to various media houses and foreign embassies
in The Gambia. Apart from alluding to the money in Switzerland that a banker
confirmed more that a year later in his testimony in the same case, Jallow
also mentioned in the letter that the regime was involved in an effort to
make counterfeit US dollar bills.
Does anyone know about the developments or recent reactions of the
government to these allegations and facts? I know the opposition was at one
time pushing to have the government answer questions on these matters in the
National Assembly. How have they faired to date?
Also, I hope the fact that Ebrima may or may not be related to the former
president does not cause us to discount too much of what he may have to
offer in discussions on these matters.
Peace.
Latir Gheran
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:55:36 +0200
From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou)
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: New members
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Balla Jallow and Basil Jones have been added to the list. Welcome to
our electronic Bantaba and please send a brief introduntion to:
gambia-l@u.washington.edu
regards
Momodou Camara.
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:16:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: FELCHERS
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Jainaba,
You guessed right, I am agent of the former President Sir Dawda. My NSS
number was J1A2W3A4R5A6. Alas I am wanted by Mr. Harry Sambou (Deputy
Director of NIA), who incidentally happens to be studying at a university
in Scotland. It is my mission to restore the former president Jawara.
Who are these enquiring minds you speak of? Are you part of some secret
bantaba? Did these people send you e-mail or call or fax to ask you if I
was related to the former president. Like Latir said, it does not really
matter, so I will not answer that.
Latir has made everything clear I hope. As it turns out, I made a mistake
by saying heroin instead of Cannabis. Operation green money, was like
Latir said, an attempt to produce $10m worth of counterfeit bills,
according to Capt (rtd) Ebou Jallow.
Let us be objective.
Ebs Jawara.
PS I must say however that you are full of passion and fire. I would
dearly love to take you out sometime.
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:20:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Ebrima Jawara <E.Jawara@reading.ac.uk>
To: Gambia Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Error Felchers.
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I am sorry to all the list members. The last part of my message was meant
to have being sent privately.
Also I would wish to add that I am not, nor have I ever been an agent of
the NSS or any other intelligence organisation.
Peace to all.
EBS.
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:28:51 -0700
From: Lamin Camara <kidrass@ica.net>
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Sending a FAX over the Internet
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> >i just ran across this Web site while i was browsing. i found it
> really
> >cool so i'm sending it out for your info.
> >
> >the service enables you to send faxes over the Internet and has a home
> page
> >located at:
> >
> >http://www-usa.tpc.int/tpc_home.html
> >
> >unfortunately, The Gambia is not included in the areas covered, so we
> can
> >look at this as an opportunity to get us connected (it's a cooperative
> >system), or brood and moan some more. please take a good look at the
> >coverage list, as well as instructions (they seem straightforward), and
> see
> >if you find it of use.
> >
> >have a great weekend!
> >
> >Katim
> __________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Greetings:
There is also a Web site of a Company, by the name of: faxSÃV (it provides
cost-efficient Internet faxing service) that enables you to send faxes over the
Internet (to any fax machine), anywhere in the world (including The Gambia). Its
Web site address is accessible at: http://www.faxsav.com.
You might find it interesting; check it out.
Have a nice weekend!
Amitiés,
Lamin Camara (Toronto)
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<P>>i just ran across this Web site while i was browsing. i found
it
<BR>really
<BR>>cool so i'm sending it out for your info.
<BR>>
<BR>>the service enables you to send faxes over the Internet and has a
home
<BR>page
<BR>>located at:
<BR>>
<BR>><A HREF="http://www-usa.tpc.int/tpc_home.html">http://www-usa.tpc.int/tpc_home.html</A>
<BR>>
<BR>>unfortunately, The Gambia is not included in the areas covered, so
we
<BR>can
<BR>>look at this as an opportunity to get us connected (it's a cooperative
<BR>>system), or brood and moan some more. please take a good look
at the
<BR>>coverage list, as well as instructions (they seem straightforward),
and
<BR>see
<BR>>if you find it of use.
<BR>>
<BR>>have a great weekend!
<BR>>
<BR>>Katim
<BR>__________________________________________
<BR>Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</A></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>Greetings:
<P>There is also a <B>Web site</B> of a Company, by the name of<B>:</B>
<B>faxSÃV </B>(it provides cost-efficient Internet faxing service)
that enables you to send faxes over the Internet (to any fax machine),
anywhere in the world (including <B>The Gambia</B>). <B>Its</B> Web site
address is accessible at: <B><A HREF="http://www.faxsav.com">http://www.faxsav.com</A>.</B><B></B>
<P>You might find it interesting<B>; </B>check it out.
<P>Have a nice weekend!
<P>Amiti<B>é</B>s,
<P>Lamin Camara (Toronto)</HTML>
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:09:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: MJawara@aol.com
To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Error Felch.
Message-ID: <971018160738_616421074@emout19.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-10-18 04:40:49 EDT, you wrote:
<< The $24 million figure can be found in court records in Switzerland from
the
suit filed by the Government of The Gambia against Ebou Jallow, the former
AFPRC member.
>>
I call it the Jammeh / Jallow Swiss Gate Scandal and it was discussed on the
List a while ago.News from Rumorville ( Radio Kankang ) had reported the
scandal, but it was when Yama posted the court documents on Gambia - I, that
bantabaa n'kolu became increasingly interested as evidenced by the numerous
postings on the subject.Infact, those who found the heat unbearable had to
get out of the ' kitchen '. Tombong [ Saidy ], then Head of Chancellery in UK
became strangely silent on the issue.This was at a time when he was posting
news reports on Gambia.
The above figures were quoted in court by counsels representing The Gambia
Gov't., Mr.Ebou Jallow, and The Swiss Gov't.
You may check the archives for a very interesting, authentic Swiss report on
the scandal.
B.t.w. Ebs welcome back to the bantaba...
Musa Kebba Jawara.
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:09:00 -0700
From: Paul <bgibba@interlog.com>
To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Bantaba Membership
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Hi! Folks,
Thank you for having me on the mailing list of the electronic Bantaba. As
you alraedy know, my name is Bakary Gibba, alias Paul. I am a product of
Nusrat High School in Serrekunda. Currently, I am studying African history
as a graduate student at the University of Toronto in Canada.
I have been in Canada for twelve years. However,these years were spent
in the cities of Montreal and Toronto respectively.
Peace! Paul.
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:42:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabriel Ndow <gndow@spelman.edu>
To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: casa/religion/ethnicity
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>From the Bush: Casamance.
20,000 refugees at the senegalese border with guinea bissau
are to be relocated if UN officials have there way. So far
only 500+ refugees have agreed to move.
This is an alarming figure. Here's a what if:
I wonder if the sitation was at
the border with gambia instead of g-b how our govt. would have
dealt with it. Refugees, especially in large numbers are always
a potential source for destabilization not only in their country
but also to the host country. Gambia with its small population
would definitely feel the impact of such an event.
I agree with Ebrima Sall that perhaps seeking a military solution
to the crisis is not the way the senegalese govt. should have
gone. I wonder if Ebrima could inform us of the general attitude
of the senegalese (in the north in particular) as well as the
senegalese press ( state-owned as well as independent).
Latir's insights have been excellent. While I agree that the
general neglect of the region is a major factor in the MFDC's
drive for casamance's autonomy, I must caution that we ought not
dismiss the other issues related to the crisis as mere 'rhetoric'.
According to what I had read in the FOROYAA (I am still searching
for that interview with Diamacoune - does anyone have it?), there
seems to be have been a major political blunder on the part of
the Senghor regime on the eve of independence.
Casamance and the rest of Senegal were apparently governed during
colonial times as two separate entities. Casamance it seems never
had the opportunity to sit at the table and agree to a political
union with senegal with dakar as the seat of power. The mistakes
of the past always come back to haunt you. Perhaps it was
politically convenient for the Senghor regime to go the route
they did. After all they were being handed a vast forest region
that would serve as the new nation's bread-basket. It was
morally wrong however!
In my view we ought to explore this aspect of the conflict so
as to better comprehend the menace of war south of our border.
It is not mere rhetoric.
Another observation. The fact that this conflict has been going
on since 1982 (I think), makes me surmise two factors which favor
the MFDC:
1. The MFDC does enjoy widespread support in the civilian
population in casamance.
2. The dense forestry in this part of senegal has favored the
military activities of the MFDC insofar as the larger
senegalese forces with its superior firepower have not been
able to neutralize them for 15 years.
If the above are true, then perhaps seeking a military solution
to the conflict is not the way the Diouf govt. ought to proceed.
LatJor
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