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Watchman
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toubab1020
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 Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 02:33:42
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This is the very first time that I have read such a very open minded piece highlighting the fact that Africans can be raciest against other Africans,it is true that that racism exists amongst westerners,but I have never heard an African admit that Africans can be raciest towards other Africans.
I doubt if your open minded views will be endorsed by many "brothers" though,who may take the view that you are being less than loyal to them. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
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turk
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Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 16:24:05
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I believe that Africans can be and have been racist to each other based on country of origin.....
Oh, what a surprise! Of course the negroid race, just like other race could be racist. They were victim more than others which has something to do with the power though. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 16:51:36
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Unless modified in recent years, the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination (and The International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination) came with a declaration over a decade ago that:
Any doctrine of superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that it has no justification in theory and in practice, anywhere, anytime.
It went further to broaden the term racism to include any form of discrimination basen on not only skin color but tribe, gender, nation of origin, language, background, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
Cheers!
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Originally posted by Janko
I believe that Africans can be and have been racist to each other based on country of origin and the repugnant canards that we have propagated among ourselves.
What is this new paradigm of race, that is not based on race?
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Watchman
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 18:12:28
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Toubab,
You get the context of my riff on racism. The conventional wisdom and oft evangelized myth is how Africans have been in solidarity over the years what with the struggles to become independent,Apartheid and so forth. We (Africans) love to point out the deficiencies of Western societies we live in especially when confronted with the ugly specter of racism and such but subconsciously, it does not even cross our minds when we hurl hideous insults based on untrue perceptions on other people nationally and internationally. If, like Senegambia's helpful UN reference seems to point, racism as a definition and practice, should cast a wider net, then let us as Africans (acting across groups) admit to being racists unto each other. Not simply "tribalist", "intolerant", "arrogant" or "prideful." |
For your own good, read:
www.escapefrombanjul.blogspot.com |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 18:26:16
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| Good comment watchman and senegambia which clarifies the definition based on the UN perspective. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 23:55:38
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Combating Racial Discrimination
Racial and ethnic discrimination occur on a daily basis, hindering progress for millions of people around the world. From denying individuals the basic principles of equality and non-discrimination to fuelling ethnic hatred that may lead to genocide, racism and intolerance destroy lives and communities. The struggle against racism is a matter of priority for the international community and is at the heart of the work of the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. ...
In 2001, the World Conference against Racism produced the most authoritative and comprehensive programme for combating racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance: the Durban Declaration and Programme of Action. In April 2009, the Durban Review Conference examined global progress made in overcoming racism and concluded that much remained to be achieved. Undoubtedly, the greatest accomplishment of the conference was the renewed international commitment to the anti-racism agenda.
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It is a fact that blacks, whites, Africans, Europeans, Americans and so fort, do discriminate amongst themselves. If Nigerians think Gambians are undesirable in Nigeria, or Gambians think Nigerians are undesirable in Gambia, or Zimbabweans killed in South Africa because of their nationality.Is that racism? That, in my opinion is xenophobic intolerance trigged by nationality, tribe or other traits but not race.
Thanks guys
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 02:31:04
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I agree totally with what you have written,never the less the "brothers" will not like what you have written as it undermines solidarity. I await the posting on bantaba which will state that you are completely wrong in what you have written,and continue in the usual way that is now well known,it would not surprise me to find that such a posting is made by a left leaning "non African".
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Originally posted by Watchman
Toubab,
You get the context of my riff on racism. The conventional wisdom and oft evangelized myth is how Africans have been in solidarity over the years what with the struggles to become independent,Apartheid and so forth. We (Africans) love to point out the deficiencies of Western societies we live in especially when confronted with the ugly specter of racism and such but subconsciously, it does not even cross our minds when we hurl hideous insults based on untrue perceptions on other people nationally and internationally. If, like Senegambia's helpful UN reference seems to point, racism as a definition and practice, should cast a wider net, then let us as Africans (acting across groups) admit to being racists unto each other. Not simply "tribalist", "intolerant", "arrogant" or "prideful."
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 02:34:56
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turk,you are OK ? no fever? no, "please explain" just joining in a discussion..........Naaah..............you are not the REAL turk.....just someone kidding us, right ?
te]Originally posted by turk
Good comment watchman and senegambia which clarifies the definition based on the UN perspective.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 02:37:16
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touby
Yeah but you need to learn how forum code works. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 13:44:02
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Yes I know,no personal insults etc  not an insult just an observation and English humour ,sorry if you were offended 
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touby
Yeah but you need to learn how forum code works.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 14:13:51
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Watchman
Gambia
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 14:46:38
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Touby, Turk,
One thing I know about self-introspection is that it is hard for an individual to do it objectively let alone a humongous collective of people totally convinced that they are darned right in every view they hold against others. South Africa is one example. A few decades ago, refugees of Apartheid were welcome in all African states.
Now, xenophobia has taken hold in that nation because they perceive Africans are taking jobs away from them. The irony of this is that instead of lashing out at the newly enriched Black elites who are descended from the rank of "freedom fighters" or the still prominent Afrikaners who subjected them to penury for almost a century, South Africans are picking on outsiders of the same skin hue.
Seems the victims of Apartheid have learned the art of discrimination quite well from their tormentors all those years ago. |
For your own good, read:
www.escapefrombanjul.blogspot.com |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 15:07:57
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Watchman
Look at the Israelis and what happened to them, now what they do to Palestinians. And, having my inter-racial daughter, I see how disgusting my own ethnicity is, observing how discriminatory their acts are. So, racism, fanatic nationalism, tribalism, religious fanaticism is a learnt behavior. It could happen to anyone. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Nov 2010 : 15:10:42
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Very useful link, turk I didnt know that, I assumed that you were upset about something else hence my response,Thanks.
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