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Karamba
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toubab1020
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 22:45:53
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Karamba, I read what this online newspaper has written,as far as evidence goes there is very little known to the public due to investigations that MAYBE taking place by "the relevent authorities", who due to the nature of their function are unlikely to tell anyone except those within their own administrations .
The reproduced Bill of lading at the end of the article is very hard to read but so far as I can make out just reads "Shippers owned containers" which means nothing other than a description of the containers.At this point in time I can see no evidence of wrongdoing within the public domain to which we have access. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 01:51:14
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Toubab1020,
One key piece of INFORMATION on that Bill of Lading is the name of Kanilai Farms. On planet Earth, modern man knows only one place in Gambia by that name. In fact Kanilai Farms is an embodiment of State, President, Presidency, Yaya Jammeh, APRC / AFPRC, Gambia etc.
These are no fabrications by Gambia Echo from what came up. There are compelling reasons to believe that Yaya Jammeh is deeply involved with arms deals. From day one, he always embraced weapons as instrument of oppression.
Yaya without lethal weapons is nothing less than a coward.
This is no politics as usual but national security at stake. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 10:14:55
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"One key piece of INFORMATION on that Bill of Lading is the name of Kanilai Farms." No problem there that's the delivery address,the problem,if there is one remains,What is in the containers ? No body knows,EXCEPT, the supplier,the shipper,and "the relevent authorities",none of whom are going to tell the public anything.
So far as I am aware you can ship stuff to anywhere and have it delivered, the place to where it is delivered does not have to be told anything about the delivery.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 21:03:17
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Toubab1020,
Going by your interest, it is possible you are able to digger deeper and to let the rest know how more or how less Yaya Jammeh indulges in arms deals. From what the Gambia Echo delivered, many will believe this has so much to do with Yaya and Kanilai. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 21:37:07
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Karamba,
I know EXACTLY the same as you do,and I have nothing to do with "relevent authorities",politics,shipping,or any commercial enterprise, I have no further information or any source to further information than that which was published in the online newspaper my postings have just looked for any evidence that the piece contained that indicated wrongdoing and there is none. I should have thought that MANY other news sources in the world would have picked up on the story carried in the Echo,they havn't. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 21:55:19
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On better look of things, Toubab1020 it goes as Gambia Echo only reported what they saw fit for public information value. Othe news outlets around the globe will only publish whatever they see fit for their audience. All that one can say is that this news event is not coming from the keyboard of Gambia Echo. Something happened and it has been reported with documentary input.
Associated Press carried the story as:
http://wjz.com/wireapnational/Shipper.says.seized.2.1988010.html |
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Edited by - Karamba on 05 Nov 2010 22:21:53 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Nov 2010 : 23:53:16
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"Gambia Echo only reported what they saw fit for public information value. Othe news outlets around the globe will only publish whatever they see fit for their audience."
Global Media has picked up on the story of the containers as you have found in your AP link
The AP report is quick to cover itself as to the final destination of these containers by writing this sentence in the middle:
"There is different speculation, but there is no clear evidence for (any) of them."
Will anything else be revealed in the future?,I would be willing to take a bet that the answer is NO.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Nov 2010 : 00:41:38
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Toubab1020,
Lot of other people will bet that beneath this thick smoke, there is massive wild fire. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Nov 2010 : 10:43:04
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| Everyone is entitled to think what they like, I am only giving my own opinion on the available evidence and so far as I can see from what I have read there is none.I doubt if anything more will be heard about this from reliable sources,maybe the fire will become flames instead of smouldering, who knows, certainly not, me as I am not in those circles, I only rely on what I read in public published news. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Nov 2010 : 16:16:58
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Arms Import: Frightening details uncovered
Headlines Nov 7, 2010
* How suspects tried to beat security
As the nation awaits the resolution of the riddles surrounding the illegal importation of the large cache of arms and ammunition including rockets through the Apapa Ports in July, more damning and frightening details continue to ooze out from security sources about the arms import.
Sunday Vanguard reliably gathered that the investigating teams are still baffled about the mystery surrounding the loading port of the deadly cargoes. Whereas there have been various attempts to link the 13 containers of arms to Iran, Hamas fighters in Gaza, etc, insiders insisted that investigations so far have revealed that before the cargoes arrived the Lagos ports, they had gone through trans-shipment in Greece, Spain and India. However, there is no certainty yet about the original loading sea port.
It was further learnt that although the 13 containers (alongside 70 others), consigned to one Mr. Ali Abbas Usman Jega of No. 6B Nouakchott Street, Wuse Zone 1, Abuja, arrived the ports on July 15, 2010 on board the vessel MV CMA CGM Everest through doctored manifest and without Form M, it was the unsuccessful attempt to convert the containers to diplomatic cargo and trans ship or re-export same to State House, Banjul, The Gambia, that aroused the suspicion of the State Security Service (SSS), which raised a red flag to the Customs Area Comptroller, Apapa Ports.
The crates of rocket launchers
Sources confirmed that when the doctored manifest details were electronically-imputed into the Customs ASYCUDA System, they showed that not only did the cargoes not have Form M, there was also no Risk Assessment Report (RAR), a clear violation of the cargo clearance process in Nigeria. Although an alert concerning the cargoes was raised, neither the importer nor the agent came forth to make any declaration. And, if there was no declaration (laying of claim),the Customs could only keep an eye on the containers pending the expiration of the 90 days permitted by law before being put on the Uncleared Cargo List.
The Gambian connection
Sunday Vanguard was told that suspicions heightened when, in August, a Customs licensed company, Jedo Investment Company, first attempted to re-export the containers to Banjul, The Gambia – a request that was rejected because only a shipping company could make such application to the Customs. Then, in September, a shipping company, CMA CGM Delmas Nigeria Ltd, submitted a purported manifest amendment to change the consignee to Kanilai Farms, State House, Banjul, The Gambia. This would have facilitated a seamless re-shipment as a diplomatic cargo, except that there was no formal notification from The Gambian High Commission. Two, there was no Form CCI, a mandatory document for diplomatic shipment.
Meanwhile, the two export officers of the Customs Service who may have been involved in the re-shipment efforts have since been with the SSS for interrogation.
More worrisome to the investigators is also the allegation that the Iranian suspect in the illegal arms saga had domiciled in a notable first generation top rate hotel in Abuja for three months to the knowledge of the security agencies. However, not a few Nigerians and security experts have queried why the security personnel did not act promptly with such information at their disposal.
However, experts had argued that had the Ports Service Providers, who got the multi-million naira contracts to install fixed scanners at the nation’s ports since January 1, 2006, worked to contract terms, the Customs Service would have been able to detect the content of the 13 cargoes since July 2010, whether anyone made a claim to ownership or not. (Fixed scanners allow easy viewing of the content of containers, vertically and horizontally, whereas the mobile scanners which are in use, do not). But about five years into a seven-year contract, these contractors, who have earned great profit, had put Nigeria at a disadvantage because of the non-installation of the fixed scanners.
Rather than scan and know the content of cargoes, the Customs and security services still have to do manual inspection, only after the export seal may have been broken within the law, with all the disadvantages and temptations attached to human involvement in port clearing.
The nation woke up on Tuesday October 26, 2010, to a frightening story of illegal importation of 13 containers of arms and ammunition through the Lagos ports since July 15, 2010. Upon joint examination by the Customs and all the security agencies at the ports on October 26, the containers were discovered to have been concealed within marble slabs ammunition of various calibers including 7.65mm light ammunition with cartridges, 60mm, 80mm and 120mm mortar, rockets with firing pins and grenades.
The anxiety was fueled by the fear of illegal use of firearms, especially in view of the October 1 twin-bomb blasts which led to loss of 14 lives near the Eagle Square venue of the national parade for the 50th independence anniversary, the Boko Haram insurrection in the North-East and armed militancy in the Niger Delta region and serial kidnappings in the South-East. The SSS has since charged some suspects to court while the alleged mastermind, Mr. Henry Okah, is facing trial in a Johannesburg court for alleged involvement in the October 1 blasts in Nigeria.
Mean time, the National Security Adviser, General Andrew Azazi (rtd), has urged Nigerians not to jump into conclusion till investigations are concluded.
UN joins probe,reports Hugo Odiogor
Meanwhile, the United Nations (UN), plans to send a three-man team to Nigeria to get first hand information on the illegal imported arms, Sunday Vanguard has learnt.
The UN is said to be worried about the implications of the arms movement to the ongoing initiative to ban illegal trade in arms by its members. The world body is also concerned about the prospects of internal and regional arms race in Nigeria and in the West African sub-region where civil wars and internal conflicts have propelled the propensity to spend huge resources to acquire deadly weapons.
Some of the rockets
The UN team, expected in the country next week, according to diplomatic sources, is interested in getting a clearer picture and accurate information on the origin and destination of the arms, and the choice of Nigeria as a trans-shipment point. According to Sunday Vanguard sources, the UN is worried about the arms haul in Nigeria which came at a time there is a global move to halt illegal trade in arms through the UN’s Small Arms Treaty. The treaty is scheduled to be ratified before the end of the year as part of efforts to combat international terrorism.
If passed by the UN and endorsed by national governments across the world, the UN’s Arms Sales Treaty would compel the national governments to, among others, enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding citizens face tougher bureaucratic red tape before owning firearms legally; confiscate and destroy all “unauthorised” civilian firearms (this excludes all weapons owned by governments); ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons; and create an international gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
However, there are questions on whether Nigeria will destroy the intercepted arms and ammunition or keep them as part of its armoury. There are also worries that Nigeria could become a dumping ground for “all kinds of weapon into the west coast.” Nigeria is a signatory to international conventions on non-proliferation of small and light weapons, and one of the major promoters of the initiative in the West African sub-region. But whereas our neighbours have shown better resolve in promoting human security, Nigeria has not been seen to be doing much despite the presence of multiple agencies including Task Forces.
An expert in conflict resolution, Dr. Ademola Adeleke, told Sunday Vanguard: “there is a lot of misinformation concerning the seized arms saga as the attempt to throw the issue into the international domain by linking the cargo to Hamas may have served the primary purpose of momentarily diffusing domestic tension. Yet, the fact remains that we are very far from getting to the roots of the matter and the government as usual will compound the issue by withholding information from Nigerians. Adeleke dismissed as wrong the attempt to drag Nigeria into the politics of the Middle-East because the imported arms came into the country illegally and the Nigerian government security operatives were alerted early enough to intercept the cargoes. He said it was wrong for anybody to brand Nigeria as part of Hamas axis as insinuated by The Jerusalem Post, an Israeli newspaper. There are moves reportedly initiated by the Presidency to improve on the pro-activeness of its security asset as well as solicit more international co-operation and seriousness on the part of local operatives.
The Dean, College of Development Studies at the Covenant University, Ota, Ogun State, Professor Kayode, contended that with what is happening in our security community, “every Nigerian is a potential refugee and the worst thing that could happen to the middle class will be a situation where those who are living comfortably would queue for food in refugee camps. This is a prospect that stares Nigerians in the face as the political class drives the country to the precipice because of their inability to manage their greed,” Kayode told Sunday Vanguard.
He said what is playing out is the failure of the Nigerian state and the political class to place the interest of the nation above sectional interests and with the elections in 2011 approaching, the issue of physical security has become urgent.
Source; http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/11/arms-import-the-frightening-details |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Nov 2010 : 16:47:44
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THERE IS NO CRIMINAL IMPLICATION IN THIS DEAL! THERE IS THE GAMBIA ARMY AND A PRESIDENT (EX-SOLDIER) CRAZED WITH POWER WHO WANTS TO BUY MORE SOPHISTICATED ARMS THROUGH IRAN!
THATS ALL WHAT IT IS |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Nov 2010 : 17:23:17
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Kobo,
Kanilai Farms is no Gambia National Army Barracks. How does it fit in your jigsaw delivering such volume of dangerous weapons at a private farm? |
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turk
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Posted - 07 Nov 2010 : 19:13:12
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Karamba
Who are terror counterparts? Iran? Palestinians? Can you clarify? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Nov 2010 : 19:24:24
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Well..........I think at the moment I will go with what this adviser says:
"Mean time, the National Security Adviser, General Andrew Azazi (rtd), has urged Nigerians not to jump into conclusion till investigations are concluded."
"The Gambian connection
Sunday Vanguard was told that suspicions heightened when, in August, a Customs licensed company, Jedo Investment Company, first attempted to re-export the containers to Banjul, The Gambia – a request that was rejected because only a shipping company could make such application to the Customs. Then, in September, a shipping company, CMA CGM Delmas Nigeria Ltd, submitted a purported manifest amendment to change the consignee to Kanilai Farms, State House, Banjul, The Gambia. This would have facilitated a seamless re-shipment as a diplomatic cargo, except that there was no formal notification from The Gambian High Commission. Two, there was no Form CCI, a mandatory document for diplomatic shipment."
One thing I think that has been established is the contents of the containers,it is also interesting to note :
"Meanwhile, the two export officers of the Customs Service who may have been involved in the re-shipment efforts have since been with the SSS for interrogation."
Whatever facts the enquiry brings forth reading the above something appears to be very wrong,it is to be hoped that the following is correct:
" Meanwhile, the United Nations (UN), plans to send a three-man team to Nigeria to get first hand information on the illegal imported arms, Sunday Vanguard has learnt."
It seems now that I was in error and this is not going to go away,and hopefully the truth will surface.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 07 Nov 2010 19:30:34 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Nov 2010 : 23:18:48
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quote:
Originally posted by turk
Karamba
Who are terror counterparts? Iran? Palestinians? Can you clarify?
There are other partners too:
http://india.indymedia.org/en/2005/12/211207.shtml
Nyarikangbanna, well put with that whole information. |
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