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toubab1020
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 Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 15:39:23
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Yea, Yea................. just an observation ,carry on regardless ,not my problem.
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Originally posted by turk
touby
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turk, in as much as you want to be self-styled and independent in your thinking, your world-view is very, very Europhonic, you need a decolonization therapy...
I was responding the personal observation about me and clarifying my actual thinking. Got it?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 19:21:19
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Originally posted by Momodou
I read the piece on Africa Democracy. With all due respect however, I do think it is very misleading to equate African Communocracy to [Africa] Democracy. These two concepts in my opinion are not interchangeable. If anything, they are directly antithetical. It is the makeup of African societies and other cultures that makes them incompartible to democracy. I have said and continue to hold that democracy is a western concept and thus unworkable in non western societies.
We can dress what ever system (pig) we have in non western society and slap lipstick on it but will still be a pig. It's been more than half a century since the first wave of independence on the continent and we are still bent on continuing a process that has failed. I say it is time we reevaluate and change course. The fixes have to come from within. Continueing to put put square pegs in round hole will never work.
I hate to go back deep into history, but I believe that among other things, we should go as far back as redrawing the boundaries and put people where they actually belong. Its gonna be painful but really worth it. Too often, we forget to remember that democracy works in the west because of certain key fundamentals and among them, a common people who share a common language and heritage. Alter that make up a little bit and you will definitely see why there is a sense of unease in some western democracies lately. Angela Merkel's assertions that multiculturalism has failed in Germany is a case in point. I think we can all deduce what will follow next for Germany's 'democratic culture of exclusivity.'
I believe that for change to happen in the Gambia, there has to be a change in the mindset of Gambians. Gambians are not ready for change that is why the Sheikh will probably be around for a while. The odds are currently insurmountable for any of the opposition parties or their figure heads to just lead us into the promise land. Moses is more powerful than all of them put together but he still could not lead the children of israel to the holy land. It took them 40 years of wandering in the winderness before they entered the holy land. By that time that generation was replaced by a new generation mainly by attrition. Similarly, we will have to go through that transformational process either in mind or person. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 19:39:21
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"I hate to go back deep into history, but I believe that among other things, we should go as far back as redrawing the boundaries and put people where they actually belong. Its gonna be painful but really worth it. Too often, we forget to remember that democracy works in the west because of certain key fundamentals and among them, a common people who share a common language and heritage."
I agree, but these changes MUST be accomplished by THE PEOPLE INVOLVED THEMSELVES without help from outside,"help", in this case means money,which is never a gift something is EXPECTED in return,although often not mentioned, will it happen ,NO,Why ? GREED and POWER,the PEOPLE are often forgotten in order to satisfy these last two things.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 21:16:03
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| I loved your contribution Mansa. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 01:43:20
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Turk: Practical approach (a.k.a. Indian). Not a social engineer. Implement a system based on the need and reality.
Turk: Logical.
... skin is thicker than crocodile. Realistic.
Turk: Ideology is a tool.
... turk objective is same but the approach is different.
... turk is insulting Gambians
Janko just can not take turk seriously some times
Janko do not have time for turks night-fishing, so get a life
... interestingly, turk knows what Janko is talking about ...
turk WIN ...
is turk happy ...bye...bye turk |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 27 Oct 2010 01:44:54 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 16:43:57
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| I don't understand why the author of 'Communocracy' is trying to prove that this is similar to western democracy. If Africa has this, you don't have to prove that that is like a western democracy. Western democracy has a different cultural, historical and socio-economic base than Africa. Call it Afrocracy! If this system exist/existed, just proud what it is and implement or develop it for today! I have been reading this article, and see some good ideas and some issues as well, but regardless of what I think, if it is African and it will probably fit better to Africa, so use it. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 28 Oct 2010 16:46:09 |
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