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tamsier
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 18:13:36
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| LOL! I said evidence not opinion polls. Typical Wikipedia generation. Even the article has some typing errors. Bless! |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 18:15:36
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Originally posted by turk
No negativity whatsoever. I would not worry. Based on my liberal secular logic/principle, Christians or any other religion has a 'right' to build religious building, therefore they should build their church. This is exercising basic freedom of religious expression. Based on Kays's logic however, freedom of religious expression can be applied selectively.
Saudi Arabia is wrong example. They have no religious of freedom. USA claims to be secular country. Meme, you need to be careful when giving example. Provide example that makes sense. Saudi Arabia has no secularism. They are one of the most devilish regime on the earth, how you end up giving them example, i have no clue.
Tom's burning Quran is negative while still is a right of expression.
Building mosque has no negativity.
It is very disappointing there are those who would put Quran Burning and building mosque in the same category. Very disappointing. Quran Burning action is a protest. It is generalizing that whole Muslims are guilty of 911. Building Church however, two blocks far away from twin towers is NOT offensive. It is not like we are building mosque on the site or across from site. The building is not going to be huge and spectacular, a small building. Actually it is a test for real secular people. Obviously this test partially failed exposing there are people claim to be secular but they are not genuine.
p.s. If you are implying/being sarcastic my being radical muslim by giving saudi example. That is mistaken. My spirituality is limited with my individual space. I believe 'liberal' secularism. I am very liberal when it comes to religion.
I gave Saudi as an example because that's where the Kaaba is - doh! And don't flatter yourself ... the example is nothing to do with you personally but more with your 'logic'.... |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 18:17:31
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Originally posted by Momodou
For those of you who might not know, the Holy Quran is usually burnt out of respect. You can burn a Quran when it begins to be torn into pieces or if you find part of it that is tattered. This is in fact recommended.
So why the hysteria? Didn't all the muslims protesting or threatening death knew about that? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 18:29:18
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The difference is whether you burn it out of respect or for the sake of provocation.
By the way, this stunt is a good advertisement for this pastor's book. He will be a making millions.
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A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 18:41:37
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Well there is no difference because the end result is still the same. I can burn it and say I burned it out of respect when in fact I didn't. Apart from Bantaba, who is to know if you've never met me or are familiar with my views? Besides, the end result is still the same: BOOK BURNED.
As for Pastor Terry Jones, I wish him luck. I know I have ordered a copy.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 12 Sep 2010 18:50:24 |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 18:49:06
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Originally posted by kobo
LET ME FIRST ASK YOU; WHAT MADE THINK ABOUT DOING IT? PASTOR'S STUNT OR WANT TO IMPRESS US IN THIS FORUM?
Haven't I already answered this question in the previous posts? LOL! Anyone who knows me by now should know I am not here to impress but to reveal the truth which certain people here wants to conceal. I think I have stated that on another thread: 'I don't give a toss who likes me here' [See 'arab slavery of domestic workers' above and the 'I am a slave thread' posted by Sister Omega]. People who reveal the truth are never liked by those who wish to conceal it.
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Originally posted by kobo
IF YOU DO IT WITH WRATH, THE WRATH OF ALLAH IS MORE POWERFUL!
..... & SURELY STILL AWAITING YOUR DOOMS DAYS!
Kasap! Still waiting! Why hasn’t he/she/it struck me down yet? LOL!
Still successful, still enjoying my life and family, still living, still healthy. NOTHING YET!
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 12 Sep 2010 18:51:44 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 18:50:14
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My logic is this. No one, no religious groups should have any problem building their temples. Therefore, calling for Muslims not to build mosque two blocks from 911 site is not a good idea. Because this has nothing to do with 911 attack. And this can't be compared to 'burning quran'. This is discriminatory and negative.
I condemn Saudi Arabian Government or taliban for their discriminatory treatment of non-muslims too.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 12 Sep 2010 19:07:54 |
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Momodou
Denmark
11645 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:01:24
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Originally posted by tamsier
..I can burn it and say I burned it out of respect when in fact I didn't. Apart from Bantaba, who is to know if you've never met me or are familiar with my views? Besides, the end result is still the same: BOOK BURNED....
Intention is what counts and thats between you and you conscience. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:15:30
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| Then the muslims should have had a bit more faith in their religion rather than threatening death and violence. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Momodou
Denmark
11645 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:19:11
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| It is between those people too and their conscience. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:27:56
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Youssou Ndour will tell you the truth. This is what the truth is.
Not all serere have bigotry views on Islam. Many sereres are Muslim. And especially the serere the world has great respect has the following view.
Do we believe in the 'serere' of bantaba who spreads hate? Or do we believe in the most famous serere of the world who spread peace?
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YOUSSOU N'DOUR: And sometimes, I feel people, when they talk about Islam, they just see Islam is arabic religion. That's true, but it's also African and Senagalese religion.
YOUSSOU N'DOUR: Every religion, everything have what we call extremists, but I consider they are the minority. And the majority of Islam, what we learn definitely from our guide is tolerance, is peace. Let me say one word. When we finish pray we say, "Assalam Alaikum." "Assalam Alaikum" means "peace for all"-- not for the Islamic people, but for all.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 12 Sep 2010 19:42:34 |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:46:19
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Haven't I answered Mr Wiki when I replied to Kay's post above with quotes - regarding Senegambian muslim figures? LMAO!
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 19:56:20
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Senegal info:
Muslim 94%, Christian 5% (mostly Roman Catholic), indigenous beliefs 1%
Gambia
Muslim 90%, Christian 8%, indigenous beliefs 2%.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 20:07:03
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Originally posted by Senegambia
Well I think this South African Court acted responsibly. Just like Obama did. Read on.
JOHANNESBURG: A South African court on Saturday blocked a Muslim businessman of Indian-origin from burning a copy of the holy Bible here in response to an American pastor's threat to burn Quran.
Johannesburg high court issued an urgent interdict blocking Mohammed Vawda's plan to burn copies of the holy Bible on the lawns of a public square here. The court ruling came on a petition filed by Scholars for Truth, an Islamic Intellectual Organisation, seeking its intervention on the issue.
Vawda says he embarked on the "Bible-burning plan" after being "angered and outraged" by Terry Jones's plan to burn the Quran. Vawda cited South African Constitutional protection of the Freedom of Expression, but the court ruled that the attempt to burn the Bible limited this right as it would cause offence to others. pti
Source: The Times of India
My Source: Jollof News http://www.jollofnews.com/sa-court-blocks-plan-to-burn-bible.html
Indeed, there are disrespectful Muslims, i.e. Indian-origin from burning a copy of the holy Bible. Neither Quran, nor Bible should be burnt. If you don't believe it, just do not buy it.
We should be careful and be cool for these kind of provocations.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 20:18:00
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| Bless! You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. All those muslims are orthodox muslims and do not revert back to Animism? LMAO! Classic case of people commenting on something they know nothing about. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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