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toubab1020
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 Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 18:08:21
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Koran-burning plan draws worldwide condemnation
Wednesday, September 8 03:35 pm
Reuters Paul Tait
Afghan police went on alert on Wednesday to guard against demonstrations triggered by a U.S. church's plan to burn a copy of the Koran on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks which has drawn global condemnation.
Tension has risen with the approach of the ninth anniversary on Saturday of the September 11 hijacked airliner attacks on the United States and the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan. Eid al-Fitr is expected to be celebrated on Thursday or Friday.
Plans by Terry Jones, the pastor of a small church in Gainesville, Florida, to burn a copy of the holy Muslim book have added to what U.S. religious leaders have described as an "anti-Muslim frenzy."
The United Nations said such an act would be "abhorrent."
"On behalf of the United Nations and the whole international community present in Afghanistan, I would like to express in the strongest possible terms our concern and indeed outrage at the announcement by a small religious group abroad of their intention to burn copies of the holy book of the Koran," United Nations envoy Staffan de Mastura said in a statement issued in Kabul.
The planned Koran-burning by the Dove World Outreach Centre sparked protests by several hundred Afghans in Kabul this week, mostly students from religious schools. Gathered outside a mosque in the Afghan capital, they chanted "Death to America."
A senior police official in Kabul, who asked not to be identified, said an Interior Ministry anti-demonstration unit had been put on high alert on Wednesday in case protests broke out.
DEADLY PROTESTS
There have been frequent protests in the past over similar incidents. In 2006, about a dozen people were killed in violent protests in Kabul after a Danish newspaper published cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad and a similar number died in another protest a year earlier.
Last January, Afghan troops shot and killed eight protesters and wounded 13 in southern Helmand province during a riot triggered by the reported desecration of a Koran.
Two of the top U.S. commanders in Afghanistan have said the Florida church's plan risked undermining U.S. President Barack Obama's efforts to reach out to the world's 1.5 billion Muslims.
The White House and the State Department have also issued stern warnings, making it clear Obama's administration deplored the plan.
General David Petraeus, the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, said the plan could trigger retaliation against U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," Petraeus said in a statement this week.
Petraeus commands almost 150,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan, where violence is at its worst since U.S.-backed Afghan forces toppled the Taliban in late 2001.
The Taliban government was ousted soon after the September 11 attacks for harbouring al Qaeda leaders including Osama bin Laden.
On Wednesday, the Vatican added to world condemnation of the planned Koran burning.
"These deplorable acts of violence, in fact, cannot be counteracted by an outrageous and grave gesture against a book considered sacred by a religious community," the Vatican said in a statement.
"Each religion, with its respective sacred books, places of worship and symbols, has the right to respect and protection."
Germany's leading Jewish group joined the chorus of condemnation, saying it evoked the mass killing of Jews in the Holocaust that followed Nazi book burnings.
"The idea is terrible and repulsive," said Charlotte Knobloch, president of Germany's Central Council of Jews.
In Pakistan, actress Angelina Jolie said she "hardly had the words" to express her opposition.
Copyright © 2010 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 08 Sep 2010 : 22:17:47
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Not a good idea! |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 08:01:15
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If I buy a copy of a book using my own hard earned cash and later decide to burn it whose bloody right is it to tell me I can’t burn it? Provided that Terry Jones or Dove World Outreach Centre or any of their supporters haven’t stolen copies of the quran from mosques or Islamic bookshops, they have every right to do whatever they like with their own copies of the quran. How dare these so called pathetic Western leaders including the American Administration dictate to them? Who the hell are they? This is exactly what I was talking about when I said ‘cowards’ at another thread. Everyone it seems is afraid to confront islam or even dare to criticise islam. Haven’t they got enough on their plates rather than worrying about who is burning a particular book? These liberal cowards make me sick. Let’s face it; it was muslims that landed those planes on the Twin Towers, Pentagon etc. Within a decade, muslims wanted to open a religious/cultural centre near the very spot where their fellow muslim brothers killed innocent people in the name of Islamic jihad. If this is not a sign of disrespect, arrogance and confrontation – ‘we can do whatever the hell we like and you can’t do f-all about it’ then goodness gracious me I don’t know what is. Did any of these hypocrite cowards voice their objection to it? I don’t think so. Mr Terry Jones and his supporters have every right to protest and voice their opinions within the law. It is obvious that they are not breaking any law and therefore why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist? Personally, I commend Terry Jones. He doesn’t like what he sees and decided to take a stand. Regardless of his opinions I totally back him to excise his right to demonstrate within the law. If more people are like him the world would be a better place. As for Staffan de Mastura, who the hell is he to tell us what is a holy book and what is not? The quran is only a holy book if you belong to islam or you believe it to be holy. For me, it is just another novel. Nothing more! As for President Obama, he is nothing but another pathetic and confused puppet. I have said similar things to this before his election to the post he now occupies and I meant every word of it. Look how he and his cowardly administration try to distant themselves from this - cowering to the arabs/asia. Hasn’t he got enough on his plate to worry about than who is burning copies of a book? As for David Petraeus, the Afghans do not need this book burning to retaliate against the US forces. These people would use any excuse just to exercise their barbarism. If things were so cosy between the Afghans and the US forces, then why the hell are they still there? How come they haven’t left long ago? The Afghans have been killing US forces for years and they do not need this book burning to trigger them off. The troops have been in danger of these people for years and to say that it would endanger the troops and efforts I find laughable. The troops are well equipped to deal with this lot and should just deal with them as they have always done.
As for that Nazi man who called himself the Pope as well as his clones, haven’t they got enough on their plate? How many children suffered sexual abuse in the hands of their priests over the years? What have they done about it? Nothing but denial and lies! How many people died from HIV/AIDS thanks to advising people not to use condoms? It seems that the people who have more on their plate and should be addressing their own problems are the biggest opponents of Terry Jone’s quran book burning. Mind your own bloody business and leave the man to his book burning. |
Tamsier
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 08:20:22
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| Am I the only one having difficulties gaining access to the Dove World Outreach Center website or has the internet censoring mafias blocked that website? Couple of days ago I was able to visit their website but now I can't. What's happening? I hope it is my computer's fault because if they had blocked that website then that is the worst cowardly action they have ever taken. My word! I hate cowards. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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Edited by - tamsier on 09 Sep 2010 08:22:09 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 08:24:21
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Tamsier, the Quran is more than just a book. You probably know by now that I am not a great religious person myself, but I appreciate the important role that religion plays in human civilization and human life.
It is futile criticizing Islam (or any other religion) per se instead of terrorism and those extremists who condone it. We have to be examples of that tolerance. Burning the Quran may be one's fundamental right, but what does one achieve by burning it? Islam, I don't think, is going to go away by burning a few copies of the Quran. In addition, thousands of U.S. troops are currently stationed in Muslim lands across the globe, their lives could be endangered by this act. They will become immediate targets of extremists, and the human cost could be high.
Besides, a lot of the anti-Islamic sentiments in the U.S. right now is not much connected to the 911, but the general (toxic) mood in U.S. politics... |
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kobo
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Santanfara
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 09:48:35
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The media is as usual giving undue attention to the fame seeking Pastor. No Muslim should mind his actions. let him carry it out. Making a meal out this crazy stunts only give them the name they are seeking.
He should be allow to do it with his whole Church members present and be allow to live in peace with himself. burning the Quran will in fact increase its reading and the curiousity will be good for Islam. There is no bad publicity.
Let the politicians leave the guy alone. He should even be given a can of petrol to carry it out.
The media like this kinds of events, the guy has now attain global attention. I for one will not worry about this stunts, all they want is cause out cry and then start throwing the usual accusations. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Dalton1
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 15:22:55
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Bro Kay,
You spoke for me on those lines. I think the world should go after the terrorists of all sorts, be they political, religious, cultural, etc. The world is faced with enough problems that we cannot afford to be drawn back to things that will worsen our generation. In situations like these, I have relied on Allah's own verses for protection.He (Allah) stated clearly that He is the protector of the Quran, then certainly it be protected. The surah "Elephant" as was the encounter of Abraham al-asram is just a case in picture. Didn't Allah (SWT) punish the people of the Elephant with fire pebbles of backed clay (sijil)?
The burning of the Quran is wrong. It is unacceptable. I condemn in the strongest terms anyone planning to do that. I condemn anyone else loaded with a terror mindset to destroy life, property, and structure. It is equally wrong. Burning the Quran is an open provocation of Muslims and the Islamic faith. It's main intention is to cause severe pain and torture to Muslims. It is very unjust, a crime in the highest order. It has the tendency to cause more trouble in our global village, which is un-called for.
O God, spare us from the habitual trouble-makers of this world. May the trouble they cause to inflict fear, torture and severe pain on others rebounce back on them such that they cannot cause trouble again. Seize them by the forelock, and punish them with your might. Turn their aggression geared towards us as a way of progress and mercy for us. Amen!
If for anything, I think that the wisdom in some of these controversies are that Islam is doubling momentum everywhere. Allah (SWT) be praised! Takbirr -Allahu akbarr!!Takbirr -Allahu akbarr!!Takbirr -Allahu akbarr!!
Happy eid-ul fitr ladies & gentlemen!
Thanks for Sharing 2bab.
Kind Regards,
Yero. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 15:34:04
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Hi Bro Tamsier,
I thought i addressed with you the issue of "tolerance" and "acceptance" ENOUGH in prior threads. As a reminder again,if yours in religion is so good, please stick to it the far that you can go, and leave that of others alone. It is sad that you are not seeing intolerance in your threads. Since this is a debate, one can only thank God in making us aware through you that such dangerous mindsets exists. AND PLEASE WE ARE IN THE MONTH OF RAMADAN, SO SPARE US FROM YOUR USUAL AGGRESSION. Only that much, I personally ask of you.
Gisshhhhhhhhhhh!
Regards,
Yero. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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mansasulu
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 15:46:16
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Tamsier,
I dare you to buy a Quran, the one written in Arabic not a translation and burn it. I double dare you!! Just do it. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 19:50:44
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Tamsier, the Quran is more than just a book. You probably know by now that I am not a great religious person myself, but I appreciate the important role that religion plays in human civilization and human life.
It is futile criticizing Islam (or any other religion) per se instead of terrorism and those extremists who condone it. We have to be examples of that tolerance. Burning the Quran may be one's fundamental right, but what does one achieve by burning it? Islam, I don't think, is going to go away by burning a few copies of the Quran. In addition, thousands of U.S. troops are currently stationed in Muslim lands across the globe, their lives could be endangered by this act. They will become immediate targets of extremists, and the human cost could be high.
Besides, a lot of the anti-Islamic sentiments in the U.S. right now is not much connected to the 911, but the general (toxic) mood in U.S. politics...
Yes Kay I know your stance on religion. So can I deduce from your statement that you believe the quran is a ‘holy’ book?
As for criticising islam, let’s not forget that those barbaric terrorists and those who condone them were muslims. What religion do muslims follow? Islam! What is the ‘holy’ book of the muslims? The quran! Which book did those evil terrorists recited verses from before they killed innocent people in the name of islam jihad? The quran! See! There is a pattern forming here.
As for whether burning copies of the quran will achieve something or not, that is immaterial. Those who wish to burn it should be allowed to burn it as you rightly noted:
‘Burning the Quran may be one's fundamental right,..’
It is their right to burn it if they so wish rather than being demonise by a bunch of so called leaders and nobodies who already have enough on their plate to worry about than who is burning the quran. As for endangering troops’ lives in muslim countries, I refer you to my previous post. Their lives have always been in danger since they went to these countries and will continue to be in danger. It does not need this quran burn fire day to put their lives in danger. Their lives have always been in danger. The troops know that they are not stupid. They have the training and expertise to deal with these people the same way they have always dealt with them. I can’t understand why some people are getting paranoid about this quran book burning event. If people want to burn it for political/demonstration reasons, let them burn it. If people want to have a great day out by burning the quran, let them have fun and enjoy their day rather than demonising them.
As for the anti Islamic sentiments you speak of, that may be so but the recent event of the muslim cultural centre near the Twin Towers played a great part. In fact, I would go so far as saying even greater that the political mood in the USA. These people wanted to course trouble. They knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted confrontation. Now they’ve got it but decide they don’t want to play anymore. I fully support Terry Jones and his followers to burn the book. It is their legal right. Let them burn it.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 19:55:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalton1
Hi Bro Tamsier,
I thought i addressed with you the issue of "tolerance" and "acceptance" ENOUGH in prior threads. As a reminder again,if yours in religion is so good, please stick to it the far that you can go, and leave that of others alone. It is sad that you are not seeing intolerance in your threads. Since this is a debate, one can only thank God in making us aware through you that such dangerous mindsets exists. AND PLEASE WE ARE IN THE MONTH OF RAMADAN, SO SPARE US FROM YOUR USUAL AGGRESSION. Only that much, I personally ask of you.
Gisshhhhhhhhhhh!
Regards,
Yero.
Dalton,
You talk about tolerance and acceptance, yet it is you people who don’t want to accept and tolerate Terry Jones and his supporters’ legal rights to burn the quran. Talk about tolerance and dangerous mindset! Further, Ramadan means NOTHING to me and it has no bearing on my right to express support for Terry Jones and his supporters’ rights to burn the quran. Talk about aggression! It is your muslim ‘brothers’ who are threatening aggression if this quran book burning event goes ahead. I suggest you look closer to home before you accuse none muslims of aggression.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 19:58:41
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Tamsier,
I dare you to buy a Quran, the one written in Arabic not a translation and burn it. I double dare you!! Just do it.
LMAO! What’s going to happen to me? Am I going straight to hell? LOL! Sorry! I don’t believe in your hell fire. Is a fatwa going to be issued on my head or are you going to come down to my house and cut off my head? LOL!
For your information I did long ago. I had 4 copies and decided to burn 3 because they were taking too much space in library. One is enough. But since you are threatening me, I will burn the last one later this evening in my back garden. On Saturday, I will also go to my nearest Islamic book store in Connaught Street to get more copies for burning.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 20:26:24
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Spot on! I totally agree with you. Happy Eid!
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Originally posted by Santanfara
The media is as usual giving undue attention to the fame seeking Pastor. No Muslim should mind his actions. let him carry it out. Making a meal out this crazy stunts only give them the name they are seeking.
He should be allow to do it with his whole Church members present and be allow to live in peace with himself. burning the Quran will in fact increase its reading and the curiousity will be good for Islam. There is no bad publicity.
Let the politicians leave the guy alone. He should even be given a can of petrol to carry it out.
The media like this kinds of events, the guy has now attain global attention. I for one will not worry about this stunts, all they want is cause out cry and then start throwing the usual accusations.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 21:33:17
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I am not threatening you, I am daring you. Please don't forget to buy the one written completely in Arabic. I told you to stop being bitter. Bigger and more conceited men than you have fought against the religion of Allah in the past and lost.
It will perhaps serve you better if you read the Quran than collecting them in your library. In any case, you can whinge all you want but end will always belong to the Muttaqun. ALLAHU AKBAR! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 09 Sep 2010 : 23:33:59
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This MAYBE good news for Muslims and the world;
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100909/twl-american-pastor-halts-koran-burning-3fd0ae9.html
HERE IS THE LATEST ON THIS,lets hope its not a case of misreporting:
9 mins ago
FROM ITN (Independant Television News UK)
A US fundamentalist Christian pastor on Thursday called off his plan to burn copies of the Koran on Saturday.
Koran burning called off
Terry Jones, who heads the tiny Dove World Outreach Center church based in the Florida university town of Gainesville, said an agreement had been reached with Muslim leaders to move the controversial location of a planned Islamic cultural center and mosque in New York.
The centre will be moved away from the site of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 09 Sep 2010 23:44:34 |
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