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Santanfara
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 Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 16:05:12
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Janko, Kuno and Dembish, what a brillaint statements. Janko you absolutely nailed the Nigerian issue. In fact, many Gambians were rescued to safety if not you are accused of being a thief, and only God knows what awaits you. The Nigerian influence is more in the counterfiet and smuggling drugs. They have that in common Jammeh. This is why, Nigerinisation became a phinominum. They will destroy the Gambia in a couple of years. No one is against decent Nigerians or immigrants. The Guineans are welcome, Sierra Loenians, Senegalese etc, we hardly say anything about them. But the criminals are unwelcome guest. Go the beach side at nigh and see the Jamiacan and Nigerian gangsters looing teenage girls, It is a sad sight.
As usual, Turk is bitting about the bush, bull****ing and taking the drunken long road. To Gambians, the Jammeh problem is as clear as day light. Kuno, a fine analysis, brillaint. Mr Banana is a disturbed boy, let him gallop from the frying pan to the fire. He is brain dead to facts, pains of Gambians and the brutal gangster President. All gangsters die a mesrable death. enjoy for now cow Jammeh. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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turk
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 16:33:08
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| Santa, stop biatching like an old whoore and stick with the discussion with your little intellectual capacity. Gambia is fortunate that you abandoned the country and only able to nag from abroad cowardly. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Kuno
Malawi
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 18:56:34
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Moe, my youth, yetteh jallow, koo-ming Kuno, cho-lung-kung ka doow suudu(I am the little bird perched atop the hut), ntay lemu Kuno kunanding-o nying yiriba santo( This is Kuno, the little bird atop the big tree). I see you keep calling me a cacho cacho...I don't know why you do that or how you arrived at the conclusion that I am a weaver bird. For Junkung Jadama's sake, please understand that I am neither a cacho cacho nor noisy. I don't trawl the mighty Bantaba hour after hour the way you do...I am shy and say very little....brevity is a strong suit of mine. I still care for you, though. You are an interesting fella minus the nonsense and the churlishness that describe much of what you parrot here on this forum. But if you insist on knowing what I am, well, I belong to the Kingfisher species of birds. I don't know what your understanding of ornithology(the study of birds) is or whether you possess any hint of ornithological indulgence, but if you care to know, I am a Pied Kingfisher. I am the interest of many conservation ecologists, bird watchers, and oh yeah, tourists, too. I am found in many parts of Gambia, Kiang West National Park, Abuko Nature Reserve, Tendaba Bush Camp, Makasutu Culture Forest, and in Niokolo Koba National Park in south-eastern Senegal. The Gambian tour operators: West African Tours, Black and White Safari, The Gambia Expedition Tours, African Adventure... all make good money from their clients when they go on bird watching safaris. Ask them about the relative value of the Kingfisher family or better still, the Pied Kingfisher.
To you and others who want to turn this debate into one of immigration and immigrants, I say chill out, don't rush to cynical judgements. I am not xenephobic and I am not anti-immigrant. My critique was confined to Nigerians, the many criminal elements and their sheningans wrecking havoc on my Smiling Coast. Long before the Nigerian wave, we had our neighbors Senegalese, and then the Guineans from Conakry...we all lived happily together...the Ghanaians and S/leoneans also came and we all lived happily together..there was nothing like what you see happening in gambia today. I don't know about you folks, but except for Okonkowo's beautiful story in Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart or Wole Soyinka's beautiful plays, Kongi's Harvest, etc, I have not benefitted anything from Nigerians....I am speaking from personal experience, and I am telling my story...In high school, I was taught mainly by Ghanaians and S/leoneans...they passed their knowledge and wisdom to me...at Gambia High, I owe immense debt of gratitude to my physics and chemistry teachers, namely Jazzy Matu, Keteh Kung, Vavatu, all Ghanaians...once a certain Mr. Ajayi came looking for a teaching post, and his sorry arse was soon laughed out of the school for holding a fake degree certificate.
And these days, you see schools sprouting up everywhere in gambia, and some people especially on this forum give credit to the Nigerians for their contribution to Gambian education. I don't know where is the Nigerian contribution to Gambian education. I personally have spent thousands of Gambian dalasi helping neighborhood kids learn in these Nigerian-owned schools, and what a rip-off, a waste! They learn nothing of substance and how can these kids whose monies are being siphoned through quick-rich schemes, compete in a global environment. Moe and others would like to tout this as globalization. I call it chicanery, fraud. Globalization is a fraud. And there is nothing Nigerian society with all its ills, military coups, corruption, neighborhood and highway robberies, tribal tensions, maladministration can teach Gambia. If we must tap into the wealth and social capital of others from the sub-region, Ghana is the place... Nigeria is not. Its society has a huge deficit of integrity and I do not want this exported into my backyard. It will be the economies of scale for 419 scam artists, counterfeitters, robbers and fraudsters.
Moe likes to beat down on Gambians, calling them lazy bums. Gambians are not lazy, Moe....you are dead wrong. Gambians need to be educated on the opportunities that lay at their doorsteps, and more than that, they need to be given access to the capital to enable them tap into those opportunities. How many banks, a lot of them owned by Nigerians, are willing to lend out loans to prospective Gambian businessmen to try their hands at marketeering and profiteering? Successful Gambians like the young entrepreneurs Harona Drammeh and Lamin Manga had access to resources and voila!, established job-making companies. There are many Gambians returning home from the US and England setting up shop in Gambia and employing people. These are not lazy Gambians...
I agree with Moe that someday, Gambian land could all be taken away by the foreigners, because in the long run and especially as populus Nigeria keeps sending her children to weak and sparsely populated countries like Gambia, it will be the foreigners who would run the show. Nobody should be suprised if someday a Nwachuku Uche runs for the mayor of KMDC. It will be a rude awakening for Gambians and then and only then would they come to realize the full impact of Jammeh's malgovernance and all its horrendous policies. Jammeh is a fraud...he doesnt care what happens to Gambia as long as he remains president and carts his riches away from the public eye.
Prince wants me to be optmistic....no, I can't. I have always refused to be optimistic because it makes me rest on my laurels, it disconnects me from reality. I thrive best and good things happen to me and around me when I am pessimistic. I feel the same way about my Smiling Coast. I see a different gambia slowly taking a turn for the worst. I don't know how to put it in more ghoulish terms for others to comprehend.
Thank you all...it's been a wonderful debate.
Kuno, The Bird
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 20:49:53
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Two Quotes from Kuno:
"Jammeh is a fraud...he doesn't care what happens to Gambia as long as he remains president and carts his riches away from the public eye."
"I see a different Gambia slowly taking a turn for the worst. I don't know how to put it in more ghoulish terms for others to comprehend."
I agreed Kuno. |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 10:41:59
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Well I waited for a reply from you the majetic bird but am assuming you wanted to wait till the thread had a life. I was a bit caught up trying to catch flights back home and its 3am. This is where you have it all wrong. I donot browse the Bantaba every 4 hours as a matter of fact it's more like hourly . When I wake up in the morning I will further elaborate and discredit your focal point. The way your words flowed somehow gave me the impression that, reverend Junisa's curriculum had something to do with it. For your Information you would have been better off taking classes from Gbloh, Government 101. "Cholu me haybee Catapult but me warra taa ma" I have some "Pu-chu's I have to tame first and a retarded Toubab from Niumi. "Ndeemo's" have a funny way of acting when they lack what it takes hence The Alkaloo of mile two is busy running his filthy mouth trying to get his bearings back but rest assured Alkaloo1020 I got you imprisoned like the felon you are and of course this time around it's all REAL...........................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 05:59:56
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Okay Kuno the Majestic Bird,I think Yetteh Jallow is kinda ready for this debate now, and of course I do know that you are no ordinary Kingfisher, but rest assured you are an element/Kingfisher with a sinister agenda, As of present what you are embarked on can only create havoc and needs total isolation Birdman, Nothing so far that you have stated established the fact that Nigerians in particular are a menace to the Gambian society.
That is the most ridiculous crap I have heard in years, of course you do exhibit signs of a xenophobic. Your sermon my friend is entangled with the ultimate goal of creating havoc and sowing the seeds of deceit, pain and destruction in communities known to be passionate, loving and welcoming people. "The Gambia No Problem" was that a lie.......As an educated man, one who actually benefited from the works of foreigners, I think it should be the last utterances spewing out of your mouth. Saying that they are taking your women and in their businesses marginalizing Gambians, which is what I derived out of your statements is basically unfounded.
If such a scenario as in a backlash against Nigerians, you Kingfisher should be the first to stand up appealing for calm and tolerance knowing damn well that your Gambian brothers don't go to Germany or Swiss to eduacate themselves. I just want you to elaborate on what the Nigerian does that the Average Gambian Semester is not embarked on. Everything you are accusing Nigerians of Gambians are the master minds behind it. If I remember right you I know are aware of the high profile kidnapping by young Gambians " Well they were still going to court for Kidnapping a Nigerian on a drug case gone wrong, does a prominent "Yetteh Jallow" ring a bell?......
If it is of concern that migration and the governments regulated open door policy is of concern I would like to see that consensus as to what is wrong with the current system in Place. I would have given ya credit if you totally demonstrated remarkable insight into what is wrong and what must be fixed. That you failed to elaborate on, if the laws in reference to crimes being committed foreigners is too lenient am guessing that also requires a general consensus as to whats wrong with the whole system and establishing harsher punishments for foreigners committing crimes. What you failed to do kingfisher is identify an accord with the very people who seem to defend the brotherly love in Gambia.
One of your common complaints that you elaborated on is their supposed involvement in undesirable activities which like I stated are mostly unfounded and based on stereotyping and castigating. You also stated their involvement in criminal activities and taking up much needed jobs well I think it's safe to say thats a common argument from xenophobes.
If you claim to be a democrat, forget nationalism and all the rhetoric about our Nigerian Brothers,bro bro The question to be asked is whether the laws concerning migration are fair and just and if it falls under either category decisions to repeal the laws is of neccesity but on the other hand if unfair to them they should also be given a chance to argue their points in a pragmatic fashion, which they akll seem to do in Gambia , they are not stupid my friend. Gambia has an open door policy for migrants and developers so marginalizing someone based on their identity is prejudiced.
First of all most of the teachers from Sierra-leone,Ghana and Nigeria by law are allowed to come to Gambia and work especially since the average Gambian half baked illiterate thinks nothing is more important in life than the civil service and Ministries. The problem becomes a question Kuno, My concern is not whether they are involved in criminal activites the incompetent Justice system should handle that. I find fault with the ignorant and misguided people who create and support unjust laws as you have already done yet you particularly want Nigerians isolated....
Immigration into almost the whole of West Africa is relatively free and unrestricted. I walked through the Senegalese border as if I was not entering a different country my friend and so do other West Africans. You know that it is relatively easy for the National assembly to pass laws controlling migration into the region yet that is not the case here and there is not concrete evidence worth prosecuting Nigeraians and I hope the Cocaine Saga recently is not your AMMO.
You are a Xenophobe KingFisher crying foul about legal immigration in almost all your rhetoric, First you stated taking away your women then their businesses, whats next Kingfisher?. I am pretty sure their presence is legal by all means so the problem is bigger than what you tried to elaborate on so please do try again or explain further. Just rest assured that protectionist policies hurt countries where migration is based on stereotyping and are prejudicial...............................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 08:06:47
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"...physics and chemistry teachers, namely Jazzy Matu, Keteh Kung, Vavatu, all Ghanaians...once a certain Mr. Ajayi...", said Kuno.
Jasseh-Matu, physics, with his big reading glasses and rumpled clothes (the "mad prof"). Keteku did not teach me chemistry, it was Kwabnah and the little Indian, Pada (who taught me not to belief in a personal god-atleast in the conventional sense). I knew Ajaye briefly, he never taught me. Great teachers. I mean Jasseh, Kwabnah, and Pada. Thanks Kuno for reminding my 'sixth form' years |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 02:13:37
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So Kuno what is the Malawi view of foreigners in their country? Why is it that you prefer to remain a stranger in another land and not in your own? Why is it do you think that some Gambian women prefer Nigerians?
Kuno it seems as though you have a personal issue agianst Nigerians per se and maybe one in particular as your take on Gambia seems to viewed from one particular angle unrequited love!
I suppose with Nigerian Media carrying the swing with African Magic, young Gambian women aren't as passive and as stereotypically as they used to be. As for Nigerian men impregnating and leaving Gambian women for pastures new. The same thing can be said for slack men everywhere including Gambian men of that variety. As I in 6 Africans are Nigerians it is stupid to tarnish all Nigerians with the same brush or all Gambian men with the same brush. Not all Nigerian men are conmen neither do all Gambian men sleep their way around the world to migrate from one country to another. There are genuine hard working family orientated Gambia men who own their own businesses or are employed in different sectors other than Civil Service in Gambia. There are HONEST Nigerian men who work hard and have earned every dollar, Nira or Pound that they earn legitimately and are happily married to Gambian women etc.
Envy is a terrible green eyed monster that lays deep within the psyche. Projecting those feelings on to others by calling it politics is farcile to say the least.
Don't be a hater, if you want to invest in Gambia do so invest in a farm and save your money by growing your own fruit and veg. Just imagine if you did this instead of buying produce from Jammeh you'll be reaping in the profit yourself. Then just maybe a good Gambian woman my think you're a good stable prospect.
Hey Gambian Sisters are doing it for themselves! Producing the majority of the nations food building their compounds. Educating themselves providing for their families, maintaining their day jobs. Not all Gambian women are victims. Their driving their own cars, and have their own businesses and travel abroad on a regular basis, and guess what no Narcotics in sight.An.d guess what a lot of them are married to good hardworking Gambian men
Let's keep things real!
Yout Man.
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Kuno
Malawi
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 17:32:29
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Sister Omega,
Sorry that I couldn't reply to you much earlier......time constraints and work-related hinderances. I enjoyed reading your post..matter of fact, I do enjoy reading you here on the mighty Bantaba...I would like to see more Gambian women, well if one, you are Gambian, and two, a woman, take part in the discussion. You can be fesity, sometimes, Sister. But it is all good...I aint mad at cha. Jammeh should know that in you he has a staunch ally, and Mawdo Pullo Moe, yetteh jallow is another one. But sometimes he takes his passion for Jammeh and his fraudulent policies too far. Tone it down, youthman. There is no need to hurl abuse at folks...we are all one people...someday when Jammeh is gone and he will, Allah Y'Allam (God knows best), we will all be together as one people, one nation. Leaders come and go; communities stay. We can learn to disagree about Jammeh without being cantankerously churlish. I love you all, Jammeh supporters included. Well, I am not a supporter, never was and never will, for I had known from day one, when AJJ came to power in military fatigue, that Gambia would be on the road to decadence and misery. Please do not bring me the schools and hospitals, bridges, roads. I am talking about decadence of the moral psyche, the fraying of the social ramparts of the Gambian nation. Like a candle burning in a gale of wind, the structures of our societies are fast unstitching, it is the hollowness of the Gambian condition and the uncertainty of its future...
But I digress, folks. I would like to respond to Sister Omega's post. She raised many questions, and I will only attend to the most relevant ones. Sister asked, "Why is that you prefer to remain a stranger in another land and not in your own?" Well, I live and work in Malawi...I am an epidemologist, fighting off diseases in Southern Africa. I am an international civil servant. I visit Gambia every three months, and I am sure well informed about happenings in The Gambia.
Sister Omega also said the following: "Kuno it seems as though you have a personal issue against Nigerians per se ansd may be one in particular..." Well, I do not have a personal with any particular Nigerian; I do have an issue with the many criminal elements among Nigerians. It is a whole lot of crooks, scam artists, robbers among them. I thought I was always clear with my disliking for the sheningans of Nigerians. I was never shy to express myself in this regard. I don't know why sister Omega didn't see that I was as candid as honest.
She also writes, "If you want to invest in Gambia, do so invest in a farm and save your money by growing your fruits and veg. Just imagine if you did this instead of buying produce from Jammeh, you will be reaping the profit yourself. Then may be a good Gambian woman may think you are a good stable prospect." LOL. Thank you for the advice, but I love to invest in human capital, that's why I am investing a lot of my money on the educational needs of my family and the neighborhood. God being great, some of them have long graduated and have become good citizens producing for their families and the community. I am also investing in some self-help projects, and donating money regularly to Gambian interests. I am happy...very happy about this. It is a way of paying back those who helped me grow into a productive Gambian citizen..I am talking about people who just by chance saw the potential in me and helped me along way to get to where I am today. I hail from a very poor background...that's why my conscience tells me to never forget the past, never forget the people and always help and be generous to mankind.
And just so Sister Omega knows, I am a good, stable Gambian prospect. The fact, however,is that I am not looking and I am not looking forward to being courted by Gambian women other than my preciously beautiful wife of ten years. I get fawned over by Gambian women anytime I visit, but Nah, I am cool. My wifey is beautiful, she is equally successful and caring. If I could give her the stars and the moon, I will.
Moe, ajarama Mawdo Pullo
Kuno, The Bird
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 21:15:47
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Jarama Kuno,
Keep up the positive work in Malawi and Gambia. Kuno, you are indeed blessed to have a good wife as the saying goes behind every successful man there is a strong woman.
Peace
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tamsier
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 23:10:21
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
So Kuno what is the Malawi view of foreigners in their country? Why is it that you prefer to remain a stranger in another land and not in your own? Why is it do you think that some Gambian women prefer Nigerians?
Kuno it seems as though you have a personal issue agianst Nigerians per se and maybe one in particular as your take on Gambia seems to viewed from one particular angle unrequited love!
I suppose with Nigerian Media carrying the swing with African Magic, young Gambian women aren't as passive and as stereotypically as they used to be. As for Nigerian men impregnating and leaving Gambian women for pastures new. The same thing can be said for slack men everywhere including Gambian men of that variety. As I in 6 Africans are Nigerians it is stupid to tarnish all Nigerians with the same brush or all Gambian men with the same brush. Not all Nigerian men are conmen neither do all Gambian men sleep their way around the world to migrate from one country to another. There are genuine hard working family orientated Gambia men who own their own businesses or are employed in different sectors other than Civil Service in Gambia. There are HONEST Nigerian men who work hard and have earned every dollar, Nira or Pound that they earn legitimately and are happily married to Gambian women etc.
Envy is a terrible green eyed monster that lays deep within the psyche. Projecting those feelings on to others by calling it politics is farcile to say the least.
Don't be a hater, if you want to invest in Gambia do so invest in a farm and save your money by growing your own fruit and veg. Just imagine if you did this instead of buying produce from Jammeh you'll be reaping in the profit yourself. Then just maybe a good Gambian woman my think you're a good stable prospect.
Hey Gambian Sisters are doing it for themselves! Producing the majority of the nations food building their compounds. Educating themselves providing for their families, maintaining their day jobs. Not all Gambian women are victims. Their driving their own cars, and have their own businesses and travel abroad on a regular basis, and guess what no Narcotics in sight.An.d guess what a lot of them are married to good hardworking Gambian men
Let's keep things real!
Yout Man.
Peace
Well said! People like Santanfara with their anti Nigerian sentiments are sickening. Jealousy gets you no where. I don't know where is this anti Nigerian is coming from. Some Gambians know nothing. Many of the things they are accusing the Nigerians is exactly what others are accusing Gambians of. Those that mean all Gambians behave like that? No! Those that mean all Nigerians behave like that? No! Pathetic! |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 29 Jul 2010 : 09:22:57
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Good clarification Kuno!!! I decided to stay away from the topic because of what initially appeared to be an unwarranted attack on Nigerians for the Gambia's social evils.
I like the description of political and economic dilema in the Gambia under APRC...
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Moe
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 07:28:48
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Kuno is a migrating Bird Kayjatta, I think he went to Australia to mess with the Aboriginals........................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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