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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
 Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 01:47:52
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| According to APRC supporters there are no human rights violations, it is all an illusion. I do not know who to trust. Moe please defend the APRC regime again please humor me. |
God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 01:56:54
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Famous statement attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
MAY THE GAMBIA NEVER RUN OUT OF SPEAKERS. |
God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 11:45:36
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I love that piece. all it needs is for good people to do nothing.  |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 16:09:58
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Demba Dem was in fact an APRC MP. But that is the hazard of associating with a gangster. When the cocaine blow his brains, everyone is a suspect. The paranoia and fears makes him order the jailing and killing of Gambians as if they are birds.
We are underestimating the extend of the Jammeh madness.
Even gangsters have blings and good houses, but that doesn't mean they are good. They are criminals. This is the same with Yahya and fellow tyrants. Yes, they will do some show projects here and there, but under it all, they are criminals who hates decent people. I am sad to watch the video. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 15:39:45
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| Come on where is the Jammeh supporters? Sister Omega, your reaction to Sarata's story please, As a mother I suppose.Moe and Turk whats your reactions? |
There is no egg without a chicken, and no chicken without egg. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 16:42:16
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Dembish
Yes. It is bad. I condemn it. However, there are more dying/suffering on health related problems due to lack of economic development. I would focus on socio-economic under-development which has more impact and causing more suffering. See my topic below. I believe there is different and more efficient 'to do' list and road map. See below on how many children are dying and very small improvement would save 100s of children. I have different view on priorities.
For example, everyday almost 10 babies, 20 children under five are dying because of preventable diseases and lack of education in health.
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9347
I don't have and support for anyone. I am not a Gambian citizen. Personally, I would recon socialist party (PDOIS) as it is being socialist and that may fit Gambian needs, but so far I have not heard much about their socio-economic development. At least PDOIS has some ideology. You know what they will do based on universal socialist ideology. And there is UDP. According to wiki, it is conservative party, or socialist, or social democrat or whatever. We don't know. Seem like they don't know what is their political ideology either. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 19:39:24
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| Turk: If these human rights abuses were happening in Turkey will you say there are more important issues to deal with. If your family member in Turkey gets picked up in the middle of the night and no one hears from him or her will you still say there are more important issues to deal with that worry about my family member? |
God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 20:46:56
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Terangba. There are already human rights abuses happening in Turkey by the Turkish government/civilians. They should definitely focus on that. I would worry a lot if the scenario you mentioned happened to me as well. However, Turkey is relatively better than Gambia when it comes to social and economic development. They are the 15th largest economy in the world, 5th largest in Europe with second highest GDP growth after China last 10 years. Much higher GDP per capita. They have a technology and they are a competitive industrial nation i.e. producing their own planes, much better education, health and social services. They already steps ahead in terms of priorities. But if my stomach is empty, I still have to pay for primary education for my child, if I have to wait hours for paid terrible medical services way lower standard, no retirement system, no unemployment benefits, I would worry about these things first rather than seeking a western democracy.
My priority is my individual development and family and our well being. I would first worry about to have a shelter, to provide education, health care and good nutrition for my family. Currently the country I am living is offering high class social services and I am able provide.. Once me and my family are satisfied in terms of basic necessities, then I would worry about political situation. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 22:52:38
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Greetings Everyone,
Sarata experience was harrowing for her as a mother with two very young children being forcibly separated from them under a matter of the principle of freedom of expression, which is deemed to be a fundemental human right.
With rights come responsiblity and taking responsibility for ones action goes along with the territory. Especially when what you say is controversial against a state that has clamped down on such utterances with the Media Commission Bill.
Sarata's experience has put the spotlight on Prison Reform and clearing up the length of time non-convicts spend on remand awaiting their sentences. This does need to be dealt with as swiftly as possible, and hopefully with more Judges being appointed the backlog of cases can be speeded up more swifty. Each prisoner should have the right to contact someone on the outside, so that families can be informed about their whereabouts. Prisoners should also be entitled to Prison visits.
As for overcrowded prison cells there does need to be an enquiry into prison conditions. They need to be inspected to prevent the outbreak of diesease amongst the Prisoner population which can easily spread within the wider community. Coupled with better santuary and dietary conditions. Thee penal code governing punishments also need to be addressed and made clear so that Prison Guards do not abuse their authority, and sre sanctioned when they do.
Conditions for Female immates and their babies also need be looked into. Obviously fly ridden and mosiquito infested cells are not sauntary conditions for Adults let alone children.
SOS Children's Village is a fine establishment having visited it myself, and they should be commended for the work that they do.
However I do feel under the circumstances that Sarata could of been given an alternative to custodial sentence. That would of been a more humane option in light of her circumstances in the form of community services. At least then she could of taken care of her children without them being traumatised by being separated from her.
Alternatives to Custodial sentences ahould be looked into as a more humane and economic course of action that will reduce the bottle neck of cases awaiting trail.
One positive thing that has come out of her experience for me is that both Sarata and Dibba are able to confirm that the Prison conditions in Mile Two Prison needs to be improved dramatically. That the use of torture to be addressed, a code of conduct brought into place. If necessary an Inspectors of Prisons if there isn't one to be established to make sure that Prison Officers aren't ruling with impunity, and will be sanctioned for abuse of power,
The pen is mightier than the sword and with it comes responsibilty for social justice. Freedom of the Spirit, the heart and the mind, freedom of expression towards the unity of humankind. These issues need to be discussed for the Reorientation of the nation in regards to freedom, progress,unity and nationbuilding.
To quote Bob Marley, WE DON'T NEED NO MORE TROUBLE WHAT WE NEED IS LOVE!
Peace
Sister Omega
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 00:20:37
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Ok, sister O has shown a humane character here. There are few observations I would have drawn her attention to but because she has not taken the heartless line of saying ''yeah! it is not happening to my family and therefore not a priority to me'' unlike another, I do not want to say anything that would devalue her well earned credit. I think she deserves a tap on her shoulder.
Well done Sister O. Let's hope Moe will follow suit soon in the spirit of one Gambia one people.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 20:40:28
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| well Said Sister Omega, you for now deserved my Gold medal,hahahaaaa, remember is not the Diamond yet,Yea but to give a devil it's due, that was well presented.Our appreciation to your words should further put to you that in as much as we differ on political agenda, we all want a better Gambia.Being on the opposition side does NOT made us enemies to each other or to the state as potrayed by president jammeh, rather we are trying to put to an end to such issues as faced by Sarata and Mr Demb.My personal beef with jammeh and the APRC Government is centred on such issues and if president jammeh could cutail the human right abuses in the Gambia,enhance freedom of expression and association,end tribalism and employ citizens base on merit rather than sycophancy,regard opposition as citizens rather than outcasts, personal and state enemies, I will support APRC.You see forget about Development,Its useless without freedom.Lepold Senghore (former president of senegal)said, "FREEDOM IN POOVERTY IS BETTER THAN SLAVERY IN RICHNESS).We may differ in opinion, but yes be it APRC, UDP, PDOIS,NRP etc, we are all Gambians and for the Gambia ever true. |
There is no egg without a chicken, and no chicken without egg. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 14:35:40
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| Oh sorry my son. I did not know Gambia is still under occupied by the foreign forces. Slavery? Freedom? Are they still colonized? And there are still slavery? These people amazes me with. Last time I checked all the government posts, elected officials, police chief, military chief, ministers were 'Gambian citizen'. Not Lebanese, not British, not Marsians. They are all the sons and daughters of Gambians. They are probably your relatives, neighbors, classmates, brothers or sisters. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 15:22:54
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Am I to take it TURK that put in simple terms you mean: Gambians should get on and put their own house in order now and stop bleeting about what other others did or didn't do ?
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Originally posted by turk
Oh sorry my son. I did not know Gambia is still under occupied by the foreign forces. Slavery? Freedom? Are they still colonized? And there are still slavery? These people amazes me with. Last time I checked all the government posts, elected officials, police chief, military chief, ministers were 'Gambian citizen'. Not Lebanese, not British, not Marsians. They are all the sons and daughters of Gambians. They are probably your relatives, neighbors, classmates, brothers or sisters.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 16:03:26
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Not exactly. What I am saying is that Dembish's exaggeration of lack of freedom or existence slavery is not a valid observation. His agenda is to spread the propaganda of Gambia is in a situation like Palestinians or South Africans have. With his inaccurate observation, it is impossible to have solution. Gambia has issues in terms of human rights and democracy in addition to other socio-economic problems. And they are all inter-related. Without high literacy rate, you can't establish democracy. To have a higher literacy rate, you need investment in education. Without money and development, you can't invest. Without proper wealth, you can't eliminate the corruption. Without money, you can't establish human rights. It is very naive and simplistic view that Jammeh is the only reason for the problems Gambia have. Opposition can promise all the paradise, if they come to power, they may not make any differences because, it is not about personalities. They could see the opportunity when in power and could try to take advantage of the power. The folks in UDP are the brothers, sisters, relatives, friends and neighbors of APRC members. They are the same people.
How you resolve the problems of Gambia and prioritize the issues,I have totally different perspective than him. It is foolish to think that when democracy come to Gambia all the problems will be solved. Contrary, in order to establish democracy one need to solve the all the issues.
To establish democracy in Europe, it took Renaissance and reform which happened 500 years ago, industrial revolution that occurred 300 years ago, free labour (slavery), free natural resources (colonization) helped. There is no short cut.
Back to the subject? Did this woman have a lawyer when she was arrested? Is there a legal aid service in Gambia? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 28 Jul 2010 16:20:36 |
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