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turk
USA
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 Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 06:43:55
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 10:32:01
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Originally posted by tamsier
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Originally posted by kobo
THERE ARE SOME GIFTED MEDIUMS BUT ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT SORCERY, ORACLES, FUTURE TELLING, ILLUSIONIST AND MYSTIFYING. ITS ALL ABOUT PURE KNOWLEDGE OF LAWS OF NATURE, LIFE & DEATH (ETERNITY), WHY THE NEED TO SUBDUE TO ALLAH'S WILL, TO FEAR OF ALLAH & TO COMMUNICATE TO ALLAH IN PRAYERS.
Since ancient times there are always tales for example The world's oddest oracles under
1. Paul, the psychic octopus http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/photos/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=154071861
2. Mani, the psychic parakeet http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/photos/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=154071861&page=5
3. Punxsutawney Phil http://news.uk.msn.com/odd-news/photos/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=154071861&page=4
THE DEVIL PUT ON MANY FACES, MASKS & HAS ITS OWN ADVOCATES
Islam is about killing innocent people of course.
EASY CHEAP SHOTS FOR HATRED, CASTIGATE & PROVOCATION TAMSIER REFER RELATED BANTABA RELIGION TOPIC The True Religion under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9443 |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 20:07:07
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Originally posted by Janko
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Originally posted by turk
So Janko, I am assuming these annual ceremonies are all traditional (pre-islamic, pre-christian, pre-colonial times). So, what was the calender used. How do they determine i.e. Wednesday or the specific time of the year?
turk,
I don´t know how Wednesday was determined or identified, but there is a story that explains the Wednesday-off-work phenomenon or reason. (I will not go into the story here) The seasons of the year are the timeline, for ex. harvest, dry, rain etc. seasons ...
Surely Janko you have more patience than I do for this boy. As I have always said, this boy copy and paste from Wikipedia and his belief that Bara Mbackeh has been hospitalised for months due to illness just goes to show the brain capacity of this boy. Unlike me and others here, Wiki is his bible. Had he comprehended my comment, understood Serere religion and fully abreast with Senegalese current affairs, he would not have asked such stupid questions. Sering Bara only became worryingly sick in mid May. It was because of that Macky Sall had to postpone his tour in Touba out of respect. His actual state of health was at that time brought about by eating super kanja. Call it food poisoning. Although admitted at hospital in Dakar, he did recover and went back to Touba. Yes he did had health problems long before but he recovered and was very active but he didn’t stay in hospital for months and months as this fake boy is trying to say. Speaking of May, at the Xoy Youngar Ceremony of Fimla [20th May 2010] – about two week before the grand Xoy of Fatick, when this Bara was already out of hospital and recovered, the High Priests of Fimla and including others as Khane Joof foretold the same thing. It must a pretty good ‘guess’ to predict the death of someone who has recovered from ‘food poisoning’ - less than two months. To say just because someone is 85 they are bound to die ‘soon’ is the most ridiculous statement/implication I have ever heard in my life. Some people are in the 90s and hundreds. My uncle is in his 90s and very active in spite of his health. My great-great grand aunt died in her hundreds [only few years ago in fact]. I have met people aged 100 and are very active for their age. What a stupid conclusion! I do not have time for this stupid boy’s childish games. If he was honourable and of good character I would have answered any question he wishes to ask me, but he is not.
Anyway enough of this stupid boy’s games! My main reason for writing is in reference to the ‘Wednesday off work ‘statement you’ve made. ‘Wednesday’ was never an off day. In fact, it was the day people had to pay their dues [tax/fees]. Those who were farmers go to the farm to farm and sell crops in order to pay their dues; weavers also went to work trying to sell more of their items to pay their dues; the kings’ armies went to the royal farm in order to help with their up keep; those who went to Islamic school pay their 12 pence [depending on the local currency at the time] etc. It was also the day the French paid their customary dues to the Kings at the time of colonisation [before full colonisation]. In fact, the French for instance tried to negotiate their ways out of it because at certain points during their settlement, they were running out of money and the French Government at Paris was not helping. That incident resulted in fraudulent accounting on the French’s part – what can only be referred to as double taxation of merchants. It was also on Wednesday when Maba’s entourage attacked the Sereres at Kerr Ngorr when most of them went to work and the army went to the field to work for their upkeep. It also coincided with Buur Sine Kumba Ndoffene Joof Famak attending the funeral of one of his Kangam [lieutenants]. Although Maba never went to Kerr Ngorr, Damel-Taign Lat Jorr Ngoneh Latir Jobe who has now formed alliance with Maba, went to Kerr Ngorr accompanied by Biran Ceesay; Gumbo Gaye; Sawalo Mooso; Draman Kan ni Wulli; Sait Kani; Sering Pakala Manjuk Khady Sam and the gang [all members of Maba’s sect]. What followed of course was what we know as Mbetan Kerr Ngorr [the surprised attack at Kerr Ngorr]. It was on that fatal day the great Boukary Ngoneh Joof [father of the future king of Sine – Semou Mak Joof] sacrificed his life for king and country as well as to preserve Serere religion. After his funeral, King of Sine Kumba Ndoffene Famak invited Maba to an open battle for the treachery and cowardice shown by Maba’s men when they attack the Sereres under the guise of jihad. Although Maba never actually went to Kerr Ngorr, his men did, instigated and led by the King of Kayor - Lat Jorr the betrayer who had a grudge against Kumba Ndoffene. Maba accepted Kumba Ndoffene’s invitation hence the Battle of Fandane-Thioutiougne [commonly known as Somb – Thursday 18th July 1867]. We all of course know what happened in that Battle. The Sereres defeated the Muslims and decapitated their leader [Maba Jahou Bah]. Anyway, as you can see, Wednesday has a very significant part in Senegambian history more so in the 19th century. With the fall of the old Kings and the end of colonisation with no more regular taxes on Wednesdays, I think it is from this ‘Wednesday off work phenomenon’ you speak of originated.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2010 : 20:10:12
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Originally posted by Moe
Hey Turk, I have a few Serere Relatives you better stop................................Peace
I guess these Serere folks should read wiki little more to forecast when it will rain. But I gave them credit to tell us that
- It will rain.
- 85 years old man who has been sick will die.
I wonder if the rain season will be over in November? Enlighten us Tam(sier)!
And who is going to win the 2011 election?
Wiki:
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Climate
tropical; hot, humid; rainy season (May to November) has strong southeast winds; dry season (December to April) dominated by hot, dry, harmattan wind.[1] Well-defined dry and humid seasons result from northeast winter winds and southwest summer winds. Dakar's annual rainfall of about 610 mm (24 in) occurs between June and October when maximum temperatures average 27 °C (80.6 °F); December to February minimum temperatures are about 17 °C (62.6 °F). Interior temperatures are higher than along the coast, and rainfall increases substantially farther south, exceeding 1,500 mm (59.1 in) annually in some areas.
p.s. The wiki page was updated/last modified on 26 May 2010 at 20:45. Meaning, much earlier than serere priests.
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Moe,
I wouldn’t sink to his level. This boy is a lunatic. Some people here have commented on the type of games he like to play hence why they have limited their exchanges with him. He needs help.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 16:27:35
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Thanks,Tamsier
Yes, Wednesday is not a free-day, rather, free-from-farm-work( in my village) to enable taking care of other businesses, ...as you elaborated.
Do not mind turk, for him wiki is absolute and that which is not found there does not exist, even whereas we know wiki is a compilation based on private subscriptions and that its younger than the www. itself. |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 17:57:44
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| The point of 'wiki is absolute'. That is hilarious. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 18:16:24
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Janko
Dilemma!
Do I think ‘wiki’ is absolute because it reports me the weather/climate based on the science of Meteorology?
Or, should I think serere tradition is absolute because, some serere priest report from divine oracle ‘roog’ that tells me when it will i.e. rain?
I thought you were going to say "Do not mind Tamsier, he thinks the wheather forecasting by serere priest is absolute"!
Can you help me out?
Also, are you disputing the meteorologic information reported by wiki below?
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Climate
tropical; hot, humid; rainy season (May to November) has strong southeast winds; dry season (December to April) dominated by hot, dry, harmattan wind.[1] Well-defined dry and humid seasons result from northeast winter winds and southwest summer winds. Dakar's annual rainfall of about 610 mm (24 in) occurs between June and October when maximum temperatures average 27 °C (80.6 °F); December to February minimum temperatures are about 17 °C (62.6 °F). Interior temperatures are higher than along the coast, and rainfall increases substantially farther south, exceeding 1,500 mm (59.1 in) annually in some areas.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 21 Jul 2010 19:00:15 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 20:32:45
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turk,
my mind is in Kabakama just at now, so please ... |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 21:30:14
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| It is time for you to visit Ginnack Island, then. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 21:54:53
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turk,
am actually on my way to Marmaris |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2010 : 22:33:13
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| Marmaris is just fine. But don't go to Bodrum you might think you are in UK. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 13:55:15
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While you are in Turkey, have some experience of shamanism if you go to mountains along the Mediterranean sea where Altaic shaman rituals from central Asia are still practiced by Turkic nomads.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 14:43:11
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Yes, in fact that reminds me of the dervish ecstatic dance of wisdom, medicine, poetry etc.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Your holy WWW-Site
The Tale of the Four Dervishes
… Legend has it that Amir Khusro's master and Sufi saint Nizamuddin Auliya had fallen ill. To cheer him up, Amir Khusro started telling him a series of stories in Hazar-o yek shab (Arabian Nights) style. By the end of the stories, Nizamuddin Auliya had recovered, and prayed that anyone who listened to these stories would also be cured …
SO, whats the difference...
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turk
USA
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2010 : 16:54:56
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By the end of the stories, Nizamuddin Auliya had recovered, and prayed that anyone who listened to these stories would also be cured …
SO, whats the difference...
Have you heard, hmmm, placebo effect.lol. At least it is scientifically explained. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 22 Jul 2010 17:00:35 |
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