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Moe
USA
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 Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 09:37:29
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Toubab you know I am kinda retarded sometimes but check this out. Do you think my man is ignoring Karamba's complements for a reason, or is it maybe he talked to him personally about it during first bradder as in Friends getting together . I think either they are associated or My man being a figure can't associate with this nonsense of a guy regarding the due process. I am very observant and I don't understand why he ain't got a single acknowledgement. Maybe it's just my cataract, well apart from the first reply, It all seems like attack of the clones to me...................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 12:05:51
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MOE,I read what you have written,and its up to people to reply if they want to,I have made my enquiry and established all that can be established from those who have posted,there is nothing further to be gained unless new people wish to post and answer my enquiry which is at present unanswered.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 14:41:54
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I bet with 1 Billion Dalasi worth of investment to any opposition party, Jammeh and APRC is not going anywhere.
THE STRATEGY & TACTICS IS NOT MONEY AND FUND RAISING. THEY ARE COMPLIMENTARY THOUGH.
CONGRATS UDP-UK ON YOUR DIVIDE & RULE POLICY! |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 15:36:27
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touby
I think political parties should not accept money from the foreign resources. (This is just my personal opinion, it is not a legal fact)
Nyarikangbanna
Isn't it very sensitive issue to send money to a political organization in Gambia from a foreign country. Isn't it senstivie, i.e. what if a Taliban, or Venezuella, or Israel or N. Korea, USA, Iran, Turkey or UK whatever country sending money to Gambian Politics may seem as influencing the politics of Gambia by foreign interests? What is the source of money? Gambia has no jurisdriction in UK.
I remember in Turkey for example, political parties can't accept donation from non-Turkish organizations/individuals. I think USA has similar rules. Is there similar regulations for political parties in Gambia?
Also, isn't is unfair in terms of competition of political party which may have link to i.e. Iran to have influence in Gambian politics just because they have money?
Is UDP-UK a constitutional under the Gambian law? Does Gambian Government audit this organization funding?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 18:14:30
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Just so it is not lost,I found "the mission statement " that you talked about,its the first posting in this link:
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9104&SearchTerms=mental,illness
As you see I was searching for something else and my search came up with your posting about the mission statement .
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Toubab1020,
I do not have authority to speak for any party but I do have authority to speak about the state of affairs of Gambian politics as a legitimate stakeholder who is putting his hand where his mouth is and have not relinquish ownership in default. Win or loose, I can stand up and say I have done my bit, come 2011.
Yes, I am an executive member of UDP-UK but this is not an organ of any opposition party in the Gambia. It is only an affiliated body to the United Democratic Party. If you are in doubt or little bit confused, please revisit our mission statement. If you are irritated by my previous comment then I got news for you; I am not here to appease anybody but to continue to speak the truth as it is regardless of anything. Therefore,I am standing by my comments.We've had too much of this kind of silly banter here. It is about time we become action oriented and do something about the issues. If you are not up for that, then you should forever keep your peace and save us from unmerited criticisms and silly comments since you lack both the authority and credibility to criticise.
I can promise you this; if you contribute even a penny to the UDP-UK or choose to canvass votes for the UDP, I will make sure you are given the opportunity to speak to the UDP leadership and convey your criticisms directly to them. You will be surprised about their level of tolerance, objectivity and openness. I am sure other parties will accord you the same opportunity should you choose to donate or canvass for them.
Kind regards
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 18:17:31
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turk
the UDP-UK is a Gambian organisation not English ... |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 19:18:25
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Janko
How can be a Gambian organization that is registered/operating in UK? When they collect this money, is it a British receipt? When donate this money to UDP, who is giving the money? An organizaiton from UK? It may Gambian in terms of 'agenda' and 'members' but it is a British Organization in terms of 'legal entity'. Isn't it operating in UK. No? So I am not sure if you are correct. I do not think it is Gambian.
Can political organization exist out of Gambia according to political party laws? That would be nice to get some information on this.
So my argument has two parts. Legal argument: Can a political party in Gambia get funds from other countries? I.e. Can they get fund from Taliban?
Political Argument: Should parties be allowed to get funding from foreign countries? One argument
http://aceproject.org/main/english/pc/pcd02h.htm
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Dangers of Foreign Contributions
There are objections of principle as well as of practice against foreign contributions to domestic politics. The objection of principle is that national sovereignty demands that the political process in each state should be autonomous. It is no more legitimate for foreign citizens to pay money to support a political candidate than it is for them to have the right to vote for him. 'Political aid', according to this view, is likely to become a form of neo-colonialism. Revelations about the manipulative activities of the intelligence agencies of the great powers or (often more important) of neighbouring regimes demonstrate how serious these dangers have been in the past.
The practical objections to foreign financial assistance are as follows.
1. It is hard to introduce rules that assure the accountability of overseas donations. Whereas a government can oblige domestic corporations to declare their political payments and to impose penalties if they fail to do so, the task of bringing foreign corporations (or individuals) to account is far harder.
2. The search for foreign donations may distort relations within the party receiving aid from abroad. Politicians with good foreign contacts may win office on the basis of their overseas fund-raising abilities even if they have a small local base. Battles over control of foreign largesse have the tendency to cause quarrels, jealousies, and splits.
3. A ready source of foreign funding may lead the recipient party to live beyond its means and to be lazy about seeking money from local sources.
4. Foreign funding is fickle. The priorities of foreign political aid organisations change from year to year. A period of generous assistance may come to a sudden end and leave a party high and dry.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 19:45:13
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http://www.iec.gm/home
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 19:50:26
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source: http://www.jollofnews.com/udpuk-calls-for-independent-enquiry-into-rights-violations-in-gambia.html
**** This is not my quote ****** (Although I am behind the 'Kebab' statement 100 % in order to promote my delicious cuisine)
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A GREAT CALL!Will the UDP in the UK be ready to chair the enquiry commission? Are the UDP itself clean from the stated facts.Hey Suntou Touray and co.if you will not do your politic in The Gambia, better stay in UK and continue to eat KEBAB there.Action is what we need and not endless and useless shoutings on the internet.Either do your politic in Gambia or keep silence.How can you be thousands of miles away and pretending to be caring for the welfares of the Gambian people.Seek your greener pasture in UK and let serious politicians in The Gambia do their politic.We need genuine and effeciant politicians who venture into politic for the true interest of The Gambia nation.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Senegambia
175 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 20:18:43
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Turk,
Stop confusing us with such postings.. At best they just show how sneaky you are in trying to contaminate what could be regarded as a genuine political participation of Gambians in the diaspora. Seriousely what do you want to hear? That opposition parties in Gambia are getting sponsored by foreign groups? You just got a simple clear answer from Janko but you have to keep on blending into theories that make no sense at all. I repeat Janko, the UDP-UK is a Gambian organisation. And please keep your "taliban" politics to yourself, and out of Gambian politics.
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Originally posted by turk
Janko
How can be a Gambian organization that is registered/operating in UK? It may Gambian in terms of 'agenda' and 'members' but it is a British Organization in terms of 'legal entity'. Isn't it operating in UK. No? So I am not sure if you are correct. I do not think it is Gambian.
Can political organization exist out of Gambia according to political party laws? That would be nice to get some information on this.
So my argument has two parts. Legal argument: Can a political party in Gambia get funds from other countries? I.e. Can they get fund from Taliban?
Political Argument: Should parties be allowed to get funding from foreign countries?
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 20:24:03
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turk,
is there any state subsidies/support to political parties in Gambia?
The Swedish Party Grand Board -state subsidies to parties 2009/2010
Subsidies/support to political parties
Social Democrats had close to 53 million
Conservatives about 37.4 million
Liberal Party 16.6 million
Centre Party over 15.6million
Christian Democrats close to 14.9 million
Left Party more than 14 million
M, Green Party barely 12.6 million
Sweden Democrats 999, 900 SEK
The state subsidies to political parties consist partly of financing the party and support for maintaining party headquarters, and or offices.
The Cabinet subsidies/support is only awarded to parties in parliament, while the party subsidies are distributed to all parties that received more than 2.5 percent of the votes in parliamentary elections and the size depends on the election results.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 20:32:11
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Senegambia
I am not confusing you. You are already confused. I am clarifying. You could have seen my contribution as 'devil advocate', but you choose to be emotional rather than rational and react. You are missing the point in my arguments. Anyway. I tried to simplified the argument. One one in terms of legal argument. If UDP-UK is able to donate money to Gambian political, what can stop 'Taliban' sending money to political organization. Answer this question. UDP-UK is a separate entity. UDP Gambia is different from UDP-UK.
"your taliban politics". You are overlooking my taliban analogy and relating that I am promoting taliban? Taliban example here is just an example. I have no hidden agenda or agenda in terms of promoting talibanism. I am against taliban or any kind of radicalism. I have no clue how you connect me with taliban politics. Oh, it is because my stand for Palestine issue? I have never implied UDP-UK is taliban or any associated them to be an illegal organization or not genuine. What are you smoking? You did not get the 'sarcasm/irony' that I am indicating the potential influence by foreign ideologic organization influence in Gambian politics. Imagine, Taliban indeed donate money to Gambian Political organization. Is there any legislation/process to govern this? Did you read my questions.
If you are satisfied with the simple answer of Janko, that is your problem. I am not satisfied. I don't have to have your criteria. If an organization exist is UK, if the organization is registered under UK law, that is not a Gambian organization. The members maybe Gambian, but it is not officially Gambian organization.
It is very disappointing to hear 'keep your taliban politics to yourself. Obviously, you missed the main point of my post.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 20:36:06
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Janko
I don’t know if there is any state subsidies/support in Gambia. But if there is I think it should be the best. This way, parties would get equal opportunity in terms of funding. In Turkey there is. Parties get funding from Government based on the last election results. For example if Party A get 40 %, that party get 40 % from the pool that finance political parties. In Canada, any donation to a political party has a tax break. There maybe several ways to make a fair competition of the political parties and prevent negative influences on political parties. For example, It is a crime to accept donation from foreign organizations/individuals. All party funding must come from the domestic resources.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 14 Jun 2010 20:59:02 |
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Senegambia
175 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 21:00:46
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Exactly what were you trying to clarify? Still confused by you..
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Originally posted by turk
Senegambia
I am not confusing you. You are already confused. I am clarifying. You could have seen my contribution as 'devil advocate', but you choose to be emotional rather than rational and react. You are missing the point in my arguments. Anyway. I tried to simplified the argument. One one in terms of legal argument. If UDP-UK is able to donate money to Gambian political, what can stop 'Taliban' sending money to political organization. Answer this question. UDP-UK is a separate entity. UDP Gambia is different from UDP-UK.
"your taliban politics". You are overlooking my taliban analogy and relating that I am promoting taliban? Taliban example here is just an example. I have no hidden agenda in terms of promoting talibanism. What are you smoking? You did not get the 'sarcasm/irony' that I am indicating the potential influence by foreign ideologic organization influence in Gambian politics. Imagine, Taliban indeed donate money to Gambian Political organization. Is there any legislation/process to govern this? Did you read my questions.
If you are satisfied with the simple answer of Janko, that is your problem. I am not satisfied. I don't have to have your criteria. If an organization exist is UK, if the organization is registered under UK law, that is not a Gambian organization. The members maybe Gambian, but it is not officially Gambian organization.
It is very disappointing to hear 'keep your taliban politics to yourself. Obviously, you missed the main point of my post.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 21:05:54
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I think the man to tell you the facts is KAY (I am not an Att.etc.!)as he knows a great deal of legal stuff ,unfortunatly he appears to be on holiday or perhaps travelling at the moment otherwise I am sure he would have joined in 
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Originally posted by turk
touby
I think political parties should not accept money from the foreign resources. (This is just my personal opinion, it is not a legal fact)
Nyarikangbanna
Isn't it very sensitive issue to send money to a political organization in Gambia from a foreign country. Isn't it senstivie, i.e. what if a Taliban, or Venezuella, or Israel or N. Korea, USA, Iran, Turkey or UK whatever country sending money to Gambian Politics may seem as influencing the politics of Gambia by foreign interests? What is the source of money? Gambia has no jurisdriction in UK.
I remember in Turkey for example, political parties can't accept donation from non-Turkish organizations/individuals. I think USA has similar rules. Is there similar regulations for political parties in Gambia?
Also, isn't is unfair in terms of competition of political party which may have link to i.e. Iran to have influence in Gambian politics just because they have money?
Is UDP-UK a constitutional under the Gambian law? Does Gambian Government audit this organization funding?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 14 Jun 2010 21:07:06 |
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