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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 23 May 2010 : 02:05:06
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Santafara I agree with you that Jammeh is safe. He has no reason to have to save himself. It seems as if the past 15 years is slowly merging into one for you Guys. Countless changes and progressive developments have ocurred in the past 15 years than at any other time in Gambian post independent history in such a short space of time. Yaya has confounded his critics who thought he wouldn't last a month yet alone the year.
Guys really who are you trying to fool here. With the economic situation in the west enough people are looking at Gambia as the place to be.
Peace
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2010 : 02:20:19
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Sister Omega,
It is so easy to pick from a person's post what intentions motivate her or him. You mentioned about people being fooled. Clearly, it is you and only you who seeks to fool people by peddling around what Yaya according you is doing. He is not just the most caring person to advance Gambia. Up to 15 years forced rule is enough. To extend that amounts to more injury and insult.
Don't twist facts. What is there in Yaya that he has to stay on? Where were you when Brown decided calling it off even with all the constitutional provisions that he could hang on? Stop insulting Gambians for goodness sake.
If Yaya is capable of transforming pebbles into diamonds, not on Gambian hills, please. What do you want any sensible person accept about your peddled idea of having to wait for whatever period so that Yaya brings tractors or rails?
Some times we have to respect others and stop insulting collective intelligence. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2010 : 11:53:49
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Karamba, I agree with sister O that those that refuse to see what is happening in The Gambia are just fooling them selves. Not even a satisfactory report from an impartial and respectable international organ like the IMF can satisfy the real unjust critics of Jammeh. You see, if you critisize us and justify it I wil agree but I wil not agree with such unjust critism that the likes of karamba, Pa nderri and co is doing.I even heard the mouth piece of the disoriented opposition in Europe and America (Pa Nderri Mbye whose newspaper is been used by SB. Sabally, Chogan and The Intelligent Sam Sarr as a battle ground) critisizing the IMF report. Had the report been the opposite, you would have used it to continue the perpetual distortion of the truth about The Gambia. Yes there´s still room for improvement but hey nobody is perfect and that includes our dear Proffessor.
By the way Thank you Pa Nderri for broadcasting your interview with Hamat Bah. I do not agree with your way of jounalism but this was a real show of matured journalism. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 25 May 2010 : 12:20:30
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Breadman, did you just say that the Professor is not a perfect man? You know that if you were resident in the Gambia and you say that, you could get in trouble for that. I think it was Machiavelli who once said that " if there were an absolutely righteous person, then by right he should rule. But then there is no such person." Therefore political power should change and should change frequently.
Jammeh has ruled the Gambia for 16 years with some modest infrastructural development but with catastrophic security and human rights consequences that far outweighs any measurable construction works under Jammeh.
I have just mentioned the former U.N. Sec. General, Kofi Annan giving a speech in Yaounde, Cameroon on Thursday about "human rights and the rule of law" to an audience that included scores of African leaders who themselves are largely tyrants of one kind or another. If the Gambia's Sheikh, Dr. Prof. were among that audience, Mr. Annan would be talking directly to him. Jammeh's human rights record is so calamitous, it could easily wipe out a thousand years of his road construction that his supporters often cite as development... |
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bread man
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Posted - 25 May 2010 : 12:40:32
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| Ha ha ha Kayjatta, me arrested for just saying Jammeh is not perfect??? What world are you living in??? Surely not Gambia, I can give you a long list of people who everyday says aloud that Jammeh is not perfect and are still enjoying the freedom granted to them by our noble book (The Constitution). Jammeh is a man of not just word but deeds. We wanted someone who will deliver our needs and he is doing that to the best of the meagre ability he inherited from a disfuntional and currupt gov,t of the PPP. 30yrs of distruction cannot be reconstructed in 15yrs not even 50yrs can do that. So give the guy a chance cos he is better than the comparison. The only tangible opposition in the Gambia is Hamat Bah who was never been part of the old school political masters of The First republic of The Gambia. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 25 May 2010 : 12:52:47
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I think if you construct one road, you have only constructed one road. If you however kill one person, "it is probably as if you have killed the whole of mankind".
Mr. Breadman, how do you compare the Professor's much talked about infrastructural development to the accompanying catasterophic loss of lives and human rights crisis in the Gambia? |
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bread man
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Posted - 25 May 2010 : 16:02:56
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Mr. Breadman, how do you compare the Professor's much talked about infrastructural development to the accompanying catasterophic loss of lives and human rights crisis in the Gambia?
The evidence is that the roads are built within his watch, and the people died as well within the same watch. Now how do we differenciate these two responsibilities? Well the latter is difficult to prove because as yet with all the ranting about Jammeh´s murderous attitude, no one has ever said he/she is a witness to any of the murders to have alledgedly commited by him. On the contrary you mentioned the developments, be it modest or not. This means you are a witness to that development. So do not get me wrong because I cry with a lost of any life and I sympathize with their families. I also think anyone guilty of murder must face justice in the manner that it was denied to his/her victim. So yes, if at anytime Jammeh is found to be guilty of these heinious crimes (which I vehemently doubt) he should be brought to justice. As of now I presume him innocent until proven otherwise or until he pleads otherwise as is the case of the current coup suspects whom I presume to be innocent for now and the evidence talks in the favor of the ex CDS. The rest has a heavier burden on them. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2010 : 17:38:10
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During Jammeh's rule, more people have disappeared, summarily executed, or jailed without trial, than any time in Gambia's history. Almost all of them for political reasons. Jammeh in essence destroyed the structure of our govt. by surplanting the judiciary and the legislature just to shove his agenda down our throat. That agenda, ill-conceived and mis-understood but call "development" has left most Gambians behind. Poverty, instead of decreasing, has in fact increased to more than 60% despite the so-called development. Construction is not equivalent to development. Construction of roads, schools, hospitals and the like must be done within a set of parameters in order to translate into development. An elderly Gambian used to argue that "It is futile to build and live in a big and beautiful house when you are starving".
I think what you are doing Breadman is that you are giving Jammeh credit for "developing" the Gambia but not willing to hold him accountable for the atrocities committed against Gambians under his rule. Just like there is no execuse for being ignorant of the law, leaders have no excuse for what happens to their citizens during their rule. So much blood has been let during the AFPRC/APRC's 16 years rule; and it is about time you guys recognized and addressed that also. You are doing Jammeh, the Gambia and yourself so much dis-service by ignoring the human rights disaster that is unfolding daily in the Gambia. Development and human rights should not be an either or; they can co-exist... |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2010 : 18:31:39
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| Ok, lets say that Jammeh is guilty of all these crimes and you people want to uproot him and put into place a gov´t that will account him democratically. Now, lets talk about your archievement since as an opposition. Here is the opposition in the Gambia, Lawyer O. Darboe is a greedy lawyer who took the money of poor people from Brikama to defend them against Jawara´s "democratic oppression" for demonstrating against buying water in Brikama on the 29th june 1994 but never show up in court and is only interested in the highest office or nothing, Lamin Waa Juwara was the only vibrant and genuine opposition challenge to the aprc and now you see what happened, he came to his sences and join the development agenda propergated by Jammeh, Seedia Jatta and Hallifa Salleh are two highly intelligent fellows who is still stuck in the communist era, Hamat Bah is making the right noices but who is listening?? Remember Nkwame Nkruma, he was crying wolf and the Ghanaians were laughing, just to realise what he was saying later after his demise. Now, to analyse it all is the demise of NADD an intelligent and galant gesture by the opposition that as a matter of fact scared most of us APRC supporters, and then their was a power struggle. They could not even unite behind the most powerful amongst them Lawyer O. Greedy Darboe unfortunately. So they died and so was all the hope that opposition ever had. Now guys its campaign time one advice from me is REORGANISE YOUR SELVES AND BRACE FOR THE NEXTBIG WIN BECAUSE WE ARE READY TO STAND YOUR DIS-ORGANISED DIFFERENT GROUPS. |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 25 May 2010 : 20:57:31
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"Kasumai" Kayjatta, I knew you would come trotting your horse like a cowboy from the midwest but guess what this ain't the wild wild west no more "Afang" you are so out of touch with reality I think it slaps you in the face every time. Look lets get things in perspective, Your first statement lacks foundation bro since you cannot account for the so called people that disappeared and languished in jail during the Jawara Era or Gambia's history ,You knowledge of things is very limited son.
Lets take a good look at most of the projects initiated by the Jammeh Regime. Start screaming cos unless you are a true liar you will have to agree with me. What is the average life expectancy of the Average Gambian and how much has it changed since 1994? The average age is 59-60 nowadays go back 15 years and see what effect the hospitals called white elephant projects have achieved,Yall use to die in your 30s. The Education sector is currently getting a boost to reach it's ultimate goals, meanwhile I am pretty sure you have read what the IMF says about the agricultural rebound. Lets just assume The best Gambian farmer has figured it out his strategies are working unlike the Jahally Pachar project where 600 million was embezzled prior to our economy being a Billion Dalasis. Kayjatta being a migrant in the US should expose you to the industrialization age not to mention the ease of travel.
The introduction of the interstate highway system in America helped boost industries and commerce not just that it also gave birth to new cities. Go to Gambia and take a good look and tell me what kind of a visionary leader Jammeh is, Reminds me a lot of Eisenhower who during the introduction and signing of the Interstate highway bill did it with no fanfare at a hospital. You have no experience in politics my friend ,take a look at the big picture and stop being a hater. I laugh when I hear you people scream human rights when I can clearly see that half of ya'll belong in Mile two central prison anyways. Makes me rethink this whole human rights issue, Basically I am just guessing ,some of ya'll just wanna be given an opportunity to break the law when you deem fit and when arrested for breaking the law, you blame everything on the failures of the judicial system or the incompetent prison guards at Mile Two.
Inorder for your strategy to be effective first of all you need to be innocent of your so called crimes, just tell me one person that was arrested and found to be innocent? As the story goes it's always more like "he was about to post a damaging article against the government" Well most of the articles I have seen you half baked fools write can send you to jail indefinitely depending on the circumstances. I hope you understand that there are different methods of overthrowing and smearing the image of a State and that can send you to jail or have you held incommunicado for a long time. I just hope some of you ignorant fools can get yourselves acquainted with the very laws set up to govern your lame butts.............................................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 25 May 2010 21:04:30 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2010 : 21:17:59
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2010 : 00:13:11
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Breadman,
Don't you feel worried urging Gambians to keep waiting till Jammeh turns pebbles into diamonds on sandy beaches of the coast?
Have you forgotten that Gambians agreed to let the illegal stay of AFPRC for nothing more than TWO YEARS (2x12 Months)
It was during those bitter two years that Jammeh ventured into white elephant projects as exhibits to bid for continuity.
Later he turned round telling Gambians he would deliver or at least initiate a development project every 6 months.
Now Breadman, you are urging us to sit waiting for another 50 years!
That, according to sensible assessment amounts to the BIGEEST INSULT TO EVERY GAMBIAN.
Yaya robbed the nation for so long already. He should be honest and to surrender those lethal weapons of mass murder. May be the next decent government will pardon him for all the bad deeds.
To keep staying on will only deepen and firment more hate against him.
Tell your man to leave in peace and not to risk leaving in pieces.
What do you think of Gambians? |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 26 May 2010 : 00:24:25
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If what Yankuba touray said is anything to go by, am guessing we will not be getting a Tribal based government anytime soon. He made the announcement nation wide and Gambians actually agree..............................................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2010 : 00:52:21
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About armed bandits robbing a whole nation one morning. Asked to stay for just Two years. The chief bandit claims a nation as his private estate.
That is a big issue for Gambians. Certainly bigger than anything.
Why must Gambians take any more chance?
With very unclean start, it is very highly doubtful that this bandit will ever choose staying clean.
What are you not proud about the history of your bandit gang leader Moe? Do you also want to disown the man like many others?
Why don't you answer simple questions? |
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