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Janko
Gambia
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 Posted - 11 May 2010 : 17:59:16
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For The Gambia, our homeland
We strive and work and pray,
That all may live in unity,
Freedom and peace each day.
Let justice guide our actions
Twords the common good,
And join our diverse peoples
To prove man's brotherhood.
We pledge our firm allegiance,
Our promice we renew;
Keep us, great God of nations,
To The Gambia ever true.
So, the only reason “to join our diverse peoples” is “to prove man’s brotherhood.” Rather we join our diverse peoples towards the common good. That line should be taken away from our national anthem for it is an empty talk that has absolutely no use. I would rather say;
Gambia’s diverse peoples
Let´s strive, work and pray
That all may live in unity
Towards the common good
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Edited by - Janko on 11 May 2010 18:00:38 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 19:31:48
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Janko why
FRATERNITY=HUMANITY = DIVERSITY= BROTHERHOOD!
Fraternity defined;
1. "a group of persons associated by or as if by ties of brotherhood."
2. "the quality of being brotherly; brotherhood: liberty, equality, and fraternity."
"the belief that all people should act with warmth and equality toward one another, regardless of differences in race, creed, nationality, etc."
So what's wrong with "To prove man's brotherhood!"
The "Common good" = "Commonwealth" & WHAT BELONGS TO EVERYONE= THE NATIONAL CAKE!
Hope that helps to clarify
THE GAMBIA NATIONAL ANTHEM IS EXCELLENT & BASIS OF A GREAT CONSTITUTION & FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
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Edited by - kobo on 12 May 2010 20:01:50 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 19:56:44
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Well, Kobo
It is contradicting, hence FRATERNITY=HUMANITY = DIVERSITY= BROTHERHOOD is much bigger than “proving mans brotherhood”.
Rather, joining diverse peoples, is towards a common good.
To prove mans brotherhood sounds like an experiment, and Gambians have been living together long before the british
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 20:31:14
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Janko don't be funny or ridiculous? Nothing is contradictory. I tried to explain the literal meanings but when it comes to writing a song its beyond my ability to handle. The words were rightly chosen to give proper inspiring POLITICAL FACTS OR MEANINGS & harmonise with lyrics of good song.
Like I stated earlier; "To prove Man's brotherhood" promotes FRATERNITY = LIBERTY = EQUALITY = BROTHERHOOD = HUMANITY
I can't go further than that Bro.
Why do you referred to "Gambians have been living long before the British"?
It's not about British empire. TO SHARE IN COMMON. It works like this COMMON GOOD = COMMON WEALTH = NATIONAL CAKE = SOVEREIGNTY.
You can twist the words as it suits you but I don't think there is nothing wrong with The Gambia National anthem
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 21:18:29
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Kobo, bro
I agree with all your explanations.
I have a problem with only one phrase and you seem to not get my point.
And join our diverse peoples
To prove man's brotherhood
I mean, the reason of joining our diverse peoples is not to prove “man’s brotherhood”. Rather we join our diverse peoples to accomplish a common good, for all. Which I think is a better reason than validating “man’s brotherhood”. Don´t you see anything wrong with the phrase
A national anthem is meant to inspire and unify. But I feel no inspiration from that phrase.
That we are living together forever is prove enough therefore we need to strive for something more, higher, a greater goal.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2010 : 12:48:10
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Janko I think i over-elaborated? I don't think you understand what "COMMON GOOD" denotes
COMMON GOOD = OUR COMMON WEALTH = THE STATE = SOVEREIGNTY ; that is what we are PRIVELEDGE TO OWN & SHARE EQUALLY AS CITIZENS! This can only happen when "LET JUSTICE GUIDE OUR ACTIONS!" come into play; guided by A SOUND JUSTICE SYSTEM & CONSTITUTION
"To accomplish a COMMON GOOD!" therefore is a by-product of SHARING OF WEALTH (The constitution, state, sovereignty, independence & national cake) THROUGH EXERCISE EQUITY OR FAIR PLAY ("WITHOUT FEAR & FAVOUR").
Now "And join our diverse peoples! To prove man's brotherhood"; denotes promoting the spirit of humanity. It synchronised all the complexities of community relationship & spirit of humanity; i.e. race or creed, diversity, equality, discrimination etc. Therefore "And join our diverse people" is to ultimately promote the spirit of ties of (brotherhood/humanity) relations for FRATERNITY, LIBERTY, EQUALITY (DIFFUSES DIVERSITY); regardless of differences in race, creed or nationality as evryone is considered as having same "GOD GIVEN RIGHTS!".
In simple terms if you "JOIN OUR DIVERSE PEOPLES", what do you end up with Janko Isn't one common factor = Man's brotherhood = "Ya baani Adam!"
A powerful quotation courtesy of Santanfara;
"Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22 And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 13 May 2010 : 22:24:32
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It is clearly stated the reason of joining our diverse peoples is to PROVE man’s brotherhood. PROVE has no other purpose here than to confirm, or provide evidence, or verify.
Secondly, “to prove man’s brotherhood” is generalizing and abstract compared to the rest that is contextual and concrete. The message does not change if the phrase is omitted, which confirms its pretentious pointlessness.
For me PROVE implies some kind of hesitation, or uncertainty, or reservation, some kind of feet dragging. Why was there uncertainty, under what political atmosphere was Gambia granted independence? “Kairaba”, the book, may hint us on the political climate at the time.
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Edited by - Janko on 14 May 2010 00:26:50 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2010 : 12:46:38
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Janko am not good at English grammer & poetry! Perhaps Toubab, Dalton, Karamba, Kayjiatta & others can help with your point on "TO PROVE..?"
"PROVE" from dictionary.com;
–verb (used with object)
1.to establish the truth or genuineness of, as by evidence or argument: to prove one's claim.
2.Law. to establish the authenticity or validity of (a will); probate.
3.to give demonstration of by action.
4.to subject to a test, experiment, comparison, analysis, or the like, to determine quality, amount, acceptability, characteristics, etc.: to prove ore.
5.to show (oneself) to have the character or ability expected of one, esp. through one's actions.
6.Mathematics. to verify the correctness or validity of by mathematical demonstration or arithmetical proof.
To the best of my comprehension; I think "AND JOIN OUR DIVERSE PEOPLES!" can be considered a challenge ultimately "TO PROVE MAN'S BROTHERHOOD"; i.e for Redemption of mankind or humanity in the spirit of brotherhood. If we endeavour to "JOIN OUR DIVERSE PEOPLES'" then it can be translated as "genuine" "evidence" that we can "PROVE MAN'S BROTHERHOOD"
On Kairaba's era some facts about The National Anthem under http://www.accessgambia.com/information/national-anthem.html
National Pledge of P.P.P
"Government and people working together in unison and harmony,
That still lead us to achieve the progress that we all desire.
We must stand together as one people with one goal and move forward as one nation.
For if we insist on pursuing our personal goals without keeping our collective.
Objectives and responsibilities in mind,
Then indeed we shall fall. Let us renew these promises we made to ourselves and to our
Country at the time of independence as enshrined in our National Anthem."
Bye!
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mansasulu
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Posted - 14 May 2010 : 16:51:22
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| Hush!...before the Sheikh finds out that we are not happy with the national Anthem and replace it with the July 22nd Anthem....lol |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2010 : 00:14:03
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There is some argument over who wrote the actual words and musicof the national anthem. The music is said to be based on the Gambian Kora music (the song) of Foday Kabba Dumbuya. It is said that the anthem was written by Virginia Julie Howe and adapted (composed) by Jeremy Frederick Howe for the traditional Mandinka song.
Some have said that it was the father of Marcel Thomasi, the previous head of the Information Department who wrote the words to the anthem as well as designed the Gambian national flag we know today.
Thanks, Kobo
The text above is from the link you posted, so, going by the above there is uncertainty as to who wrote the national anthem, that in itself is very interesting, if the statement is anything to go by.
My uneasiness concerns only one phrase “To Prove man’s brotherhood” and nothing else. As I said, take the phrase away, the message and its intention will remain intact. So, my question is why such an excess?
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2010 : 14:45:33
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Professor Janko, you appear to be too good & comfortable in English grammer? I've tried to the best of my knowledge & ability to clarify & defend it but am not as good as you in English language? Yet am not convince you got it right that; phrase is wrong or not in the right usage If it was wrong, it cannot be oversighted for decades now? How many statesmen & intellectuals do we have since Gambia became independent?
However I enjoy the Gambia national anthem VERY WELL AND INSPIRED DEEPLY ON THE SPIRIT OF BROTHERLY TIES & REDEMPTION OF MANKIND with "AND JOIN OUR DIVERSE PEOPLES! TO PROVE MAN'S BROTHERHOOD!"
The link stated that; "there is some argument on who wrote THE ACTUAL WORDS & MUSIC of the Gambia National Anthem" Thats a grey ground for history
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 15 May 2010 : 17:39:39
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Professor Kobo
My intention is not to convince you but dialogue with you, am satisfied with your opinion on the matter.
Gambia is not standing still and Gambians are improving constantly, in all strata. My hope is that we have not seen the end of the growth of statesmen and intellectuals in Gambia. That we have had abundant statesmen & intellectuals since independent, dose not make a wrong right.
Am not an intellectual (you know that), statesman nor am I comfortable with the English language, hence, I can make myself better understood with my language (you know that too) I enjoy the national anthem too, that’s why.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2010 : 14:59:03
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Professor Janko!
Let's not argue about semantics
I understand you need someone's help to convinve you on why; "AND JOIN OUR DIVERSE PEOPLES! TO PROVE MAN'S BROTHERHOOD!"?
We had good exchanges and still learning!
I rest my case! |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2010 : 22:54:58
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Professor Kobo
Don´t you see the difference between;
Let justice guide our actions; and
Let honesty guide our actions |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 19 May 2010 22:55:37 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2010 : 15:26:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Professor Kobo
Don´t you see the difference between;
Let justice guide our actions; and
Let honesty guide our actions
Professor Janko you are playing scrabble with the words of Gambia national anthem Of course there are differences in meanings between them.
"Let justice guide our actions!" = What we need to achieve ultimately is dispense justice EQUITABLY OR THROUGLY WITHOUT FEAR & FAVOUR; therefore "JUSTICE" (ethical) technicaly denotes meeting the end.
"Let honesty guide our actions!" = "honesty" is one of those means to the end (of "Justice"). "Honesty" is based on conscience or thought process (ethical/moral) that inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual! |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2010 : 21:56:38
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Professor Kobo, thats my point.
So would you agree with me that it is better to foster HONESTY, people who take their individual moral responsibilities upon themselves,” Let honesty guide our actions". Hence honesty has a self regulating mechanism. Than lifting that moral obligation onto the state judiciary system, “Let justice guide our actions”.
In other words; innocent until proven guilty is applicable where honesty is the guidance of actions. On the other hand guilty until proven innocent is applicable where justice is the guidance of actions.
It is when honesty becomes the guidance of our actions that we would have a well functioning judicial system that is less susceptible to corruptibility.
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Edited by - Janko on 20 May 2010 21:57:50 |
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