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toubab1020
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 Posted - 02 May 2010 : 00:27:11
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Do you really think that those in charge of "The International Dragnetare interested in "getting the job done" what has The Gambia got that they want ? Oil, No, Gold, No,Diamonds or gems, No, significant mineral wealth at all, no,so why should they bother to input resources to obtain justice? its a non starter I am afraid,dispite being a laudable objective,its all about money as usual.
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Originally posted by Kitabul Arerr
If the long arm of the law isn't long enough in present day Gambia, to grab the untouchables, and bring them to justice, then the International Dragnet should get the job done with it's wider reach. Let justice prevail..........................................................................lol!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 02 May 2010 : 00:27:46
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Moe, I will respond to your questions shortly.
Janko, you don't seem to be getting the point. |
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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Posted - 02 May 2010 : 02:25:32
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Originally posted by Moe
...Only in your wildest imaginations Kitabul Arrer , Long arm of the law my butt,what are you smoking today?...
Whatever, Jebel Musa!
But Cocain is not one of them.........................................................................lol! |
The New Gambia - Stronger Together! |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2010 : 02:27:58
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Fisher man by the congo's, oh yeah you right,what are you burning today ? some of that sensi or just bush weed. Lol , No doubt ,this season I am Jebel Musa Lol ...................
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 02 May 2010 : 07:14:15
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Okay Moe, this is the point. You want to know how President Jammeh could possibly be implicated here. I believe this is well explained in the essay I posted, but I will further explain liitle more:
The IGP and others are charged with "official corruption, abuse of office, misrepresentation, destruction of evidence, defamation", etc,etc. None of them is charged with drug related offenses, even though they were obviously involved in drug dealing. The defamation charge emanates from the fact that they used the President's name to sell illegal drugs. Now one of the defenses to defamation is truth, that is the statement made by the defendant is actually true. I doubt that the courts under the Nigerian judges will entertain any introduction of evidence to prove that IGP Badgie and co were actually acting on the orders of or atleast the approval of the Chairman, but even if objected to, the use of the defense of 'truth' casts the President's office in disrepute. The IGP should be allowed to testify in court and perhaps called and subpoena witnesses and documents to prove that his actions were backed by the "Big man". I for one do not think IGP Badgie will go around telling people that "the Big man asked" him "to sell" drugs for him if that was not the case. Why is the Gambia govt. stock-piling illicit drugs that should have been immediately destroyed?
Furthetmore, the failure to prosecute the IGP and co for felony drug possession and trafficking but instead for the "defamation" indicates the govt's deisre to punish only for the mention of Jammeh's name and not for the drug offenses. In a shady drug world, you don't mention the name of the boss; do you get it Moe? Bun Sanneh and co at the Drug Squad (NDEA) are also basically not charged for anything more than theft, unlawful possession of firearms, and destruction of evidence. The escalating drug problem in the Gambia is largely brushed under the carpet. Even though, jammeh has promised to stamp out drugs from the Gambian society, the cases brought in court against the IGP, Bun Sanneh and co proves otherwise.This together with the Gambia govt's deep involvement in Guinea Bissau, as well as its connection to Rui Jabbi Gassama, a confessed drug traficker, through the Gambian embassy in G/Bissau and as prosecution witness indicates if only circumstantially, the Jammeh govt's complicity...
PLease Note: Kayjatta is not an attorney and has no legal qualifications. Anything he says is a mere opinion and does not constitute legal advice. |
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2010 : 14:07:28
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| Yes, Jebel Musa, if ex-IGP, ex-NDEA Boss & Co. are charged with defamation of "The BIG Man's" character, by claiming he connived with them on their hard drugs dealings conspiracy, why aren't they actually charged with drugs trafficking? What am I missing here, Jabel.....................................................................lol? |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 02 May 2010 : 17:29:09
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Janko, you don't seem to be getting the point.
I think real corrupt people in the Gambia and perhaps Africa and elsewhere goes far beyond the underpaid and the low paid workers.
There is a saying; “you can’t kill a snake by pounding on its track." To kill a snake you have to find it and pound it on the head. To solve a problem one has to understand its cause.
If corrupt people or corruptibility is only found at the top or amongst “people in positions of responsibility and are in many cases well-to-do, privileged members of society“ as you imply, then corruption would disappear by firing one and employing another, simple. But it is not. There are those who are corrupt because of greed and those out of need. That does not mean the greed motivated is more corrupt than the one motivated by need, nor does the sum determine the potency of corruption. Corruption does not start or end with embezzlement of funds rather it starts with an administrative structure.
We are talking about cabinet ministers, parliamentarians, managing directors, CEOs,judges and yes presidents and heads of states.
We can not get reed of "greed" in human society. But we should not mistake greed for "need".
Say, we have two clerks. One is paid to enable caring for the family. The other is underpaid and can not take care of family from the monthly salary. So the one that is well paid does not have the need to be corrupt and the one underpaid needs to fend for his family therefore resorts to corruptible means to make ends meet. Who of the two is most likely to be corrupted by greed at a CEO level?
I think most of the time the difficulty in finding solutions, if we ever do, is Gambians/Africans "re-act" to results instead of understanding the underlying cause. We can resort to punishing individuals as a re-action or find solutions. For example, putting a bank director behind bars for corruption does not stop the next director being corruptible, but dealing with the structure that enables corruption would minimize the practice.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 02 May 2010 17:30:28 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2010 : 18:18:21
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| ok will xplain lil more, later... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 09:29:01
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| You know never mind Janko. I think you are stating an official UDP position on corruption (acceptance of corruption); so there is no need for my further response. Thank you. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 11:08:48
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Originally posted by kayjatta
...I think you are stating an official UDP position on corruption (acceptance of corruption);...
Kay
  UDP indeed,where did you get that from |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 11:33:09
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Okay Moe, this is the point. You want to know how President Jammeh could possibly be implicated here. I believe this is well explained in the essay I posted, but I will further explain liitle more:
The IGP and others are charged with "official corruption, abuse of office, misrepresentation, destruction of evidence, defamation", etc,etc. None of them is charged with drug related offenses, even though they were obviously involved in drug dealing. The defamation charge emanates from the fact that they used the President's name to sell illegal drugs. Now one of the defenses to defamation is truth, that is the statement made by the defendant is actually true. I doubt that the courts under the Nigerian judges will entertain any introduction of evidence to prove that IGP Badgie and co were actually acting on the orders of or atleast the approval of the Chairman, but even if objected to, the use of the defense of 'truth' casts the President's office in disrepute. The IGP should be allowed to testify in court and perhaps called and subpoena witnesses and documents to prove that his actions were backed by the "Big man". I for one do not think IGP Badgie will go around telling people that "the Big man asked" him "to sell" drugs for him if that was not the case. Why is the Gambia govt. stock-piling illicit drugs that should have been immediately destroyed?
Furthetmore, the failure to prosecute the IGP and co for felony drug possession and trafficking but instead for the "defamation" indicates the govt's deisre to punish only for the mention of Jammeh's name and not for the drug offenses. In a shady drug world, you don't mention the name of the boss; do you get it Moe? Bun Sanneh and co at the Drug Squad (NDEA) are also basically not charged for anything more than theft, unlawful possession of firearms, and destruction of evidence. The escalating drug problem in the Gambia is largely brushed under the carpet. Even though, jammeh has promised to stamp out drugs from the Gambian society, the cases brought in court against the IGP, Bun Sanneh and co proves otherwise.This together with the Gambia govt's deep involvement in Guinea Bissau, as well as its connection to Rui Jabbi Gassama, a confessed drug traficker, through the Gambian embassy in G/Bissau and as prosecution witness indicates if only circumstantially, the Jammeh govt's complicity...
PLease Note: Kayjatta is not an attorney and has no legal qualifications. Anything he says is a mere opinion and does not constitute legal advice.
Also what i mean by "Jammeh will almost certainly sail through this scandal" is that there is no authority or power in the Gambia to bring Jammeh to accountability. Not the National Nssembly, not the Judiciary, not any other civil institution. perhaps the major price jammeh will pay for this scandal is the loss of public trust and confidence.
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Edited by - kayjatta on 03 May 2010 11:33:58 |
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