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kayjatta
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 Posted - 05 May 2010 : 07:21:48
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Moe, you have said it well: "as if it matters". It actually does not matter. Ethnicity is not important to me. I would be very happy to have been a Jola, a Serere, Wollof, Manjago or Fulani. However, sometimes I wonder if I could rightly claim to be even a Mandingo even though both sides of my family as far back as living memory have spoken and lived by Mandingo language and culture. I have become too big to be defined by ethnicity. I don't even speak mandingo or any tribal language with my kids. I am beyond ethnicity. That is why even though I purpotedly share the same language and culture with my UDP friends, I cannot be part of their sectarian agenda. UDP is essntially a 'Mandingo party' (subject to explanation if need be)...
I have told you that I come from a long line of conservative Imams and religious scholars. But I grew up seeing by dad, as a businessman, interacted with and befriended all kinds of people of different ethnicities and religious believes. I have since learned to break barriers, sometimes at the risk of attacking my own side of the fence. I am a globalist, not a jihadist/tribalist like Nyarikangbanna and others are.
I ask Santafara and Nyarikangbanna to please tell us what they believe is "Halifa's real motivations" (Santafara's words) that make him so hateful to them |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 10:59:39
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Kay
I wonder how you arrive at certain crazy conclusions. What analogies did you use to arrive at the conclusion that UDP is mandinka party. While you are at it, can you also tell us if PDOIS is a Wollof party since Halifa came to the helm.
My friend the way you cannot tell us if the republican party is a white party as compared to the Democrat, you cannot also errorneously tell us the UDP is a Mandinka party.
If that is the case, don't you think, APRC will be a Jola, Njako, Karoninke, Serere party whilst the NRP will be a Fula party, and PDOIS a Wollof party.
This are baseless futile talk Kay.
You being Mandinka does not matter my friend, just as Amadou Taal, Ebou Manneh, Yahya Jallow, Mariam Denton etc are non-Mandinkas as UDp executive members matters. What matters is which party appeal to Gambians.
UDP appeal to people across the tribal line. It happens that, Mandingos constitute the larger Tribe base.
My response to the nonsence put forward by the rude Shaka hiding here, and the Kobo jaro a man i know in London pretending that they are here for Gambian politics in general. This boys are here for Halifa and Halifa alone. What other topic did you see SHaka Lah have his say on? eternally defending Halifa, no wonder no one will be wrong if it happen to be Halifa himself. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 11:08:58
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Moe, you have said it well: "as if it matters". It actually does not matter. Ethnicity is not important to me. I would be very happy to have been a Jola, a Serere, Wollof, Manjago or Fulani. However, sometimes I wonder if I could rightly claim to be even a Mandingo even though both sides of my family as far back as living memory have spoken and lived by Mandingo language and culture. I have become too big to be defined by ethnicity. I don't even speak mandingo or any tribal language with my kids. I am beyond ethnicity. That is why even though I purpotedly share the same language and culture with my UDP friends, I cannot be part of their sectarian agenda. UDP is essntially a 'Mandingo party' (subject to explanation if need be)...
I have told you that I come from a long line of conservative Imams and religious scholars. But I grew up seeing by dad, as a businessman, interacted with and befriended all kinds of people of different ethnicities and religious believes. I have since learned to break barriers, sometimes at the risk of attacking my own side of the fence. I am a globalist, not a jihadist/tribalist like Nyarikangbanna and others are.
I ask Santafara and Nyarikangbanna to please tell us what they believe is "Halifa's real motivations" (Santafara's words) that make him so hateful to them
You are beyond enthincity, then migrate out of America good man to the moon.
"God bless America..." A country you defends with all your tired energy yet you are beyond enthinity. This is the most rediculous argument a certain politician pretend to tell people.
Show us a person beyond his identity, i will show you a confuse character.
The English language is within a social cultural context, which trigger all sorts of patriotic passions (ethinicity, racial set-up). Yet Kayatta is so educated and modern, he is beyond his identity.
Now, I have heard it all.
To be frank, this is too desperate a political discussions.
I am out of this.
"This is the problem with Gambians..." Halifa. Sounds unhappy to me. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 11:32:19
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Originally posted by Moe
Hey Nyari, You know atleat I keeps it real ,Kayjatta is lying ,he is not Mandingo ,Back in the day educated Jola's claimed to be Mandingo if you know what I mean. The boy is a Jola boy LOL .LOL "sawaye Jola la " as if it matters anyway.The fact is he does exhibit signs of Mandinka-Phobia ,it does exist and now a days so does Jola-Phobia........................................Peace
Well if he is a mandinka, then he must be an ***** to be insulting his own tribe like that. I know he is lying. He even said it; he said he ''purportedly'' share the same language with us. He was only resorting to tribal jibes due to his inadequacies in defending his position on the issues. In a nutshell, he is inept.
My aunt is married to a prominent jola and her children are my counsins. So silly kay is not going to make me insult jolas or any other tribe but you know what! I have no time for petty squabbles. I know for sure that there will be no coalition involving UDP and PDOIS. I said what I said because I want people to get grasp of this reality and stop pestering us with that unrealistic call for coalition of all opposition parties. It is simply not going to happen but that doesn't mean we can't build a formidable coalition against Jammeh in 2011. We need to isolate PDOIS and its grand Ayatollahs and redirect our efforts in bringing the other parties together if we are to succeed in building any formidable coalition. That is what I've ask STGDP to do. PDOIS is a fringe party and therefore insignificant in any project to democratically dislodge Jammeh in 2011. If anybody thinks there is an alternative to what I've just said, then I got a bridge to sell you in Wuli Nyakoi.
Kind regards
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2010 : 12:07:11
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I understand your difficulty in appreciating the two assertions I have made above, Santafara. I will explain both for you in a little bit:
1. UDP is essentially a Mandingo party.
UDP is an offshoot of PPP and NCP, both derived their strength from ethnic mandingo-dominated protectorate. During the First Republic, electoral outcome was decided chiefly by the ethnic mandingo grassroots support between PPP and NCP. The votes from other (minority) ethnic groups constituted mere additions to a largely decided outcome. The physical presence of individuals members of the party from other ethnic groups did not deviate both PPP and NCP from a largely Mandingo, rural peasantry agenda. UDP's agenda follows a (similar) path consistent with its parents, PPP and the NCP. Some scholar and observers of Gambian politics since independence attributed this largely to a "Mandingo arrogance". UDP needs to rid itself of this impression.
2. I am beyond ethnicity.
I don't think in terms of tribe or ethnicity. It is too narrow and restrictive for my "big brain". Human identity is not static, Santafara. Culture itself is not static either. Human culture and identity are products of socialization, training and experience. Globalsim has tilted the world towards cultural universalism. Based on training and experience, I am unable to fit totally into a stereotypical Mandingo or any other ethnic culture. Tribalism and jihadism are both psychological reactions to the perceived threats of globalism and universalism. While my mandingo roots remain as a vestige of my identity and cultural evolution, I do not look back to it as a solace or escape from a fast collapsing world. That's what I am talking about! |
Edited by - kayjatta on 05 May 2010 12:24:02 |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 12:52:45
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Kay, you are being very selective in the way you are presenting facts and that is not right. I am pretty sure you can do better than that.
Labelling UDP a Mandinka Party is highly refutable. While I understand your need for scoring points against Santanfara and Nyari (just like my need for scoring points against Mr Shaka), I see no need for you to do so in such an assailable manner. You have been scoring some good points anyway :).
Cheers!
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2010 : 13:01:41
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Well this is our version of history, accurate and irrefutable. What is UDP's version of history? You guys write your own history, otherwise we will write it for you... |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 14:48:45
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GROUND CONTROLL
Comments from politicos ?
Pa-Sainey Jallow, a former PPP and UDP militant now a member of the APRC, has made a startling revelation against Gambian opposition politicians, saying they embark on fundraising trips to Western countries whenever national elections are around the corner.
According to him, the opposition politicians pocket monies collected from donors during such trips, though these monies were usually collected in the name of the people. Jallow made this revelation during an APRC rally held on Sunday at Tabokoto in the Kanifing Municipality.
He said: "Opposition leaders have totally eroded the trust and confidence of the Gambian people; they are dead and buried now because their dreams of leading this country is over. I hereby advise anybody that wants to enter politics to join the APRC, other than that, you are just wasting your time on selfish opposition. The opposition leaders are now packing their luggage for the Western countries in order to raise funds for their pockets on behalf of the people, but I advise you to scrutinise them when they come here. "As a former UDP interpreter, I used to be left starving by the UDP leader despite being a strong supporter of his party and in fact they have betrayed the people despite the hardship I encountered in the opposition." ....
The starving is now over for Pa-Sainey Jallow, he shall not lack food no more
Kay,
I agree with part 2 of your post but not part 1: hence,"Pa-Sainey Jallow, a former PPP and UDP militant", in the above does not fit your supposition in part 1. |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 05 May 2010 16:17:34 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2010 : 15:42:24
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FOR HEALTHY PROPER POLITICAL DEBATE, PLEASE FOCUS ATTENTION & ADDRESS HALIFA ON GRTS AUDIO TRANSLATION
GRTS"Welcome to GRTS International Broadcasting from Sylvaston Maryland in United States Of America. This is the Gambian experience and thanks for joining us. In this week's programme we will be talking to Mr. Halifa Sallah a Sociologist and former flag bearer of the opposition NADD Party. On the line from Banjul Mr Sallah welcome to GRTS International. Welcome to the Gambian experience."
Mr. Halifa Sallah "Thank you very much."
GRTS "Last year you came up with a proposal on how the Gambian political opposition is to participate in the coming 2011 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. Under normal circumstances political parties come together on the BASIS OF SHARED BELIEFS IN PRINCIPLES, POLICIES & PROGRAMMES. And under not so normal circumstances they can AGREE TO COOPERATE BASED ON THEIR OPINION(S) ON THE POLITICAL PROCESS; for instance on ISSUES LIKE THE PRESIDENTIAL TERM LIMITS, VOTER REGISTRATION EXECISE, COMPOSITION, MANDATE & AUTONOMY OF THE ELECTORAL OVERSIGHT BODY LIKE THE I.E.C WE HAVE IN THE GAMBIA. Apart from this SHARED OPPOSITION TO PRESIDENT JAMMEH'S STYLE OF RULE & IN-ADEQUACIES IN THE DEMOCRATIC DISPENSATION IN THE GAMBIA. WHAT POLICIES DO THE VARIOUS OPPOSITION PARTIES SHARED OR ON WHAT ISSUES DO THEY DIFFER? This question to my mind Mr. Salllah are/has become somehow irrelevant in your proposal, because what you are proposing is not a coalition of political parties but an alliance of individuals? Can you dis-suade me from this assertion"
Mr. Halifa Sallah "He he he he Thank you very much. Well the fact that if you read all your on-line papers at the moment, the opposition parties are considered to be literally dead. And some people are infact calling on the Arm forces in this country to salvage the country. Thats an opinion there!"
To make it more interesting on coups, refer on related Bantaba Gambian politics topic Is Military Culture Good for Gambia? under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9071
Halifa Sallah continue further "And we all know that when a group of people take over the country. They do not come in the name of party. They call for NATIONAL SALVATION & then initiate a PROCESS of involving people to participate in the process of NATIONAL RECONSTRUCTION. I THINK the mere fact that GAMBIANS feel that; there is VACUM. A POLITICAL VACUMM and many people believed that vacum should be fill by a FORCE WHICH WILL NOT COME UNDER THE MANDATE OF THE PEOPLE; TO LEGITIMIZE WHAT AM TALKING ABOUT Because what am talking about is FOR ANOTHER TRANSISTION. A TRANSISTION WHICH WILL NOT BE IMPOSED BY THE BARREL OF THE GUN BUT A TRANSISTION THAT WILL BE IMPOSED BY THE SOVERIGN PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRYAnd that is called for by precisely the vacum which exist. Under normal circumstances as I have said, countries have mult-parties; many parties which contest on the BASIS OF THEIR IDEOLOGY, THEIR PRINCIPLES,
To continue later!
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