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kayjatta
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 Posted - 02 Apr 2010 : 13:13:42
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Originally posted by Senegambia
With all respect, Kayjatta, what do you want UDP supporters to do about this? This should concern all Gambians across all spectrum of every divide. We are in this together and the earlier we realize that the better it is for everyone. Such things have happened too often: So many political and other figures have been victims of selective and barbarian justice in Gambia and still Gambian people (not UDP, not NADD, not any party)stand by and look.
Maafanta was right!
Thank you Senegambia. I really have a mouthful about this matter. I will say it when I come back after the weekend. This is the time to say it I guess... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 05 Apr 2010 : 10:09:44
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Some time back I posted a topic: FEMI PETERS; A VICTIM OF DARBOE'S TIMIDITY, and later pulled it down because I thought it may not be appropriate at the time and could provoke the wrath of the UDP diaspora particularly...
Now this is the point.I agree that all Gambians are in this together, because the case of Femi Peters is no doubt an affront on the freedom of speech and assembly guaranteed to all Gambians by the Constitution of the Gambia.
After the arrest of Mr. Peters on charges of illegal assembly and use of a public address system, under the Public Order Act, it was almost a certainty that he would be convicted by the court and sent to jail. That much was not surprising, I saw it coming. What I did not see coming is the fact that UDP, the largest and broadly based opposition party whose members and sympathizers across the globe closely monitored the trial, would coil back into their shell and retreat home while Peters was wisked off to his cell in the notorious Mile II central prisons for one year with hard labor.
I am sure this is not what many of us expected when the UDP leadership including Lawyer Darboe and Peters himself announced several months ago, follwoing repeating denial of permit to hold a rally, that "with or without a permit, the UDP willl hold rallies". I for one understood that UDP pronouncement as the beginning of a more militant approach to asserting their rights rather than reverting to the same kangaroo courts that have consistently denied their rights repeatedly in the past.
I totally agree with Nyarikangbanna that Peters was the "soft target" for the government to punish without exposing themselves to international spotlight. But precisely this is the reason that Darboe, the UDP presidential candidate and the national and international face of the party needs to be at the forefront of this battle. I know that good leaders delegate responsibility, but good generals also fight alongside and often lead their troops in the battle. Therefore, in hindsight, and having full understanding of the hostile political environment, Darboe could have carried out some of the responsibilities of Mr. Peters in order to shield him (Peters, who the police would be eager to pounce on as a "soft target"). To be more specific, Darboe could have signed the application for the permit himself, submit it himself, and lead the rally himself and possibly volunteered to be the sole speaker at that 'test rally' in Serekunda. I call it a 'test rally' because it was perhaps the first of an open UDP disobedience to the IGP, therefore arrests or forceful disruption by the police is foreseable. [Interestingly the same IGP who once boldly told his officers to either support jammeh and the APRC party or go find another job, is himself languishing at the Mle II prisons and is now joined by Mr. Peters]. This is how good leaders lead. Leadership is shown by example and self-sacrifice during times of difficulty. Another UDP rally was subsequently dispersed and aborted in Serekunda even before what was arguably the deliberate delayed arrival of the Party leader, Lawyer Darboe. It appeared again that Darboe was two steps behind the police for his own safety.
During the incarceration of Sam Sarr and the other five journalists, Halifa Sallah (Sam Sarr's colleague in at the Foroyaa newspaper, and PDOIS and NADD political parties threatened to join him in jail if he is not released. He was finally released; possibly for different reasons but he was released. It is common knowledge that publicity is the enemy of dictators, therefore I expect the UDP to continue the militant approach to assert their rights. Darboe must volunteer to join Peters in jail. Darboe must organize the UDP foot soldiers and lead a peaceful protest in the streets of Banjul and Serekunda and deliver a statement at the doorsteps of the judiciary and the executive (State House). The rest of the opposition should join them. As long as Lawyer Darboe is actively involved, at the forefront-not behind the scene, the world will be watching. UDP must not surrender after just one casualty, Femi Peters. Mbarodi has nearly laid his life for the party, and he has the scars to prove it before finally defecting to APRC, understandably. Now the indefatigable Femi Peters is gone...
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Apr 2010 : 14:36:47
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Kay, your comments above is despicable, abhorrent and devoid of any substance whatsoever. You deliberately do this because you know you will be out of our radar as we [UDP Diasporas] focus on Femi Peters case but you know what? I will get back to you once the dust is settled. You will not get away with this slender and innuendo cheaply.
I hope you are rest assured
Thanks
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Apr 2010 : 15:35:56
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Courtesy of Haruna Darboe
The fact that PDOIS can't hold rallies is not because Yahya bars them from holding rallies, it is because they cannot draw more than a 100 people to any rally. The IGP does not deny PDOIS permits to hold rallies. And they still can't hold a rally. In order to hold pseudo-rallies, they engage in solo fact-finding missions for witch-hunt. Since when does anyone need a bullhorn for a fact-finding mission??? Don't make us laugh. Nobody wants to join PDOIS to fight any battle because PDOIS is not reliable and they are ever-schemin'
UDP is the largest opposition party in Gambia.
UDP/NRP alliance is all the opposition party unity Gambia needs if the aim is to remove Yahya from the presidency.
Why you change Femi Peters' imprisonment to settle intractable scores with UDP is odious. Are you not satisfied with your membership in PDOIS? Might you suggest to them how better to lead you? I don't know if you realize this or not, but where UDP, NRP, or GMC is denied permit to hold rallies, joining PDOIS, which is what you hope for, is akin to suicide. We all know how the solo-factfinding on witches and wizards ended up for you. And you sought relief via the judiciary. I guess you don't have much against lawyers and the judiciary then. Wallai momo nyaamaata iko ibeh bulala PDOIS finkintewol le noma, ilabango teh nyeenyaala.
Why Sambo and PDOIS think that a diminished NRP, UDP, GMC are the best avenues for PDOIS cluelessness behoves Gambians. For 20 odd years, they have been on the catwalk, repackaging stale dogmas and ideologies and when they had an opening to lean on others' sobriety, they screwed the opportunity up in NADD. Who wants to be led by PDOIS or any permutation of it??? PDOIS tried to engineer a marriage of convenience with NDAM and ppp. Wonder how that marriage is going? You guys can't even choose a bride if one fell on your laps. You go about life angry at everyone else but your own inadequacies. You'd think you will learn from 2 decades of mistakes and missteps. But no. Let us destroy Gambia if we can't lead it. Get a life people. Your emergencies do not urgencies constitute for Gambians. To be sure, we are all in a fight. However, PDOIS fights a different existential battle from the rest of Gambia.
Haruna.
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shaka
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Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 01:41:24
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Wa keur doff are at it yet again. Why do you people in nepotistic Lala Land have to always take refuge in highlighting PDOIS' 'insignificant relevance' in Gambian politics, every time the leadership of the UDP is subject to public scrutiny. I thought the debate 'is not about numbers' anymore? Or is it that the 'numbers' are only relevant if and when you choose to bring it to the arguement? Holding rallies or not, what have PDOIS got to do the unfortunate incarceration of Mr Peters? The question legitimately raised by the frustrated public is; time and again the dictatorship have cherry-picked the bull-dogs from among the ranks of the UDP leadership, to be subjected to illegal detention, falsely incarcerated, tortured and even matyred, while the rest of the pack including the party leader pathetically whimper to a stone cold silence, why? This is the question that need to be answered. The PDOIS' 'ability' to gain permits and holding rallies is not the solution to the sorry predicament of the UDP. And i can bet you, were the PDOIS ever to embark on such expedition, the wa keur doff posse under the tireless leadership of the lunatic-in-chief will be the first to accuse them of political opporturnism.
It was such a relief to hear Ousainou Darbo finally admit that his biggest mistake in politic was to yield counsel from 'bad advisers'. Advisers who would eventually mislead him to tragically boycott 2002 parliamentary, a bad decision that heralds a continuous steep decline in the fortunes of the UDP. Those bad adviser still loom large among the UDP militants, especially in the diaspora. The lunatic-in-chief happens to harbour and propagate the idea of boycotting elections and it is matter of time before the rest of the robots in the clan are programmed to sing from that hymn tune. If there is ever a good time to separate the chaff from the coose, then this is the time to exibit wisdom in leadership Mr Darboe. The nepotistic project within the UDP must be derailed as soon as possible to make way for a strong unified opposition. The overwhelming euphoria that greeted NADD in 2006 was no coincidence, neither was beating the APRC to three out of four contested parliamentary seats in a subsequent bi-elections, despite its financial clout and the enormous advantage ot state machinery it continues to abused against the opposition. The people badly need change. There is tremendous wisdom in Ousainou leading the call and challenge for a unified opposition inspite of the vehement objection of the nepotistic agenda. They are a narrow minded few in the minority. The Peters family, the family of Kanyibaa Kanyi, the families of the matyred, maimed and tortured UDP militants and the majority of the Gambian public look up to you towards that endeavour, otherwise 'bula sen akhi yaye jappe'. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 07:42:46
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Kay, your comments above is despicable, abhorrent and devoid of any substance whatsoever. You deliberately do this because you know you will be out of our radar as we [UDP Diasporas] focus on Femi Peters case but you know what? I will get back to you once the dust is settled. You will not get away with this slender and innuendo cheaply.
I hope you are rest assured
Thanks
 okay thanks. I look forward to your response. Having said that, I would like to add that the UDP leader, Lawyer Darboe's reference to the jailed Femi Peters as "the Mandela and Nkrummah" is perhaps the biggest irony of the century. The thousands of Gambians who vote and even risk their lives and limbs for the UDP expected Darboe to be their "Mandela and Nkrummah", not Femi Peters...
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 17:43:14
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| Thats what I thought and not sacrificing the herd (Waa Juwara, Rambo, Shyngle Nyassi, Femi and the list goes on) to the wolves! The shepard is Lawyer Darboe. Thanks Kayjatta |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 17:57:22
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Originally posted by Senegambia
With all respect, Kayjatta, what do you want UDP supporters to do about this? This should concern all Gambians across all spectrum of every divide. We are in this together and the earlier we realize that the better it is for everyone. Such things have happened too often: So many political and other figures have been victims of selective and barbarian justice in Gambia and still Gambian people (not UDP, not NADD, not any party)stand by and look.
Maafanta was right!
Foroyaa/P.D.O.I.S/N.A.D.D is fighting the cause not for U.D.P (who is yet to issue a press release) but to ensure The Gambia Constitution, democracy, human rights and justice is seen working to forward The Gambia Our Homeland! "That All May Live In Unity, Freedom & Peace Each Day!". Senegambia please refer;
1. Foroyaa Editorial: The President Should Revisit The Imprisonment of Femi under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4684
2. Foroyaa Burning Issues : Letter To President Jammeh On Femi Peters Re: the Wise Counsel of Reason and Justice on Femi Peters under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4683
Its observed that Lawyer Darboe has not referred to MOU signed by all political parties in 2005 during the trial; "Suffice it to say the memorandum that was signed by all political parties in 2005 provided a code of conduct which states that: a party that has subscribed to this code of conduct will respect the right of all other parties to campaign freely and to disseminate their political ideas and principles without fear;
respect freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly and of peaceful demonstration;
refrain from disrupting or frustrating the legitimate activities of other political parties, including the holding of political rallies, meetings, marches or demonstrations;
organise and conduct activities at all times in a manner that contribute towards a congenial and peaceful atmosphere ;
avoid using inflammatory and defamatory language and not in anyway threaten or incite violence in any form against any person or group of persons;E
The point is clear. The instruments and code of conduct are in place to regulate multiparty activity in the country. An inter-party committee exists to promote dialogue. What is left is the political will to back words with action." Halifa Sallah/Foroyaa
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kobo
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 19:06:53
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Apr 2010 : 15:47:48
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PLEASE DON'T REDICLE US MORE
IS IT DEFIANCE or FIGHTING A WAR WITHOUT PROPER ARMOURY
WE NEED A COMPASS TO DIRECT US TO THE EAST/ MECCA TO PRAY! |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 00:30:17
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Bro Kobo
Sorry, it became too much for my little brain, take no offence.
There is a saying that, if you do not want the rat to eat up the smoked fish then dont let it smell too strong.
Going by the logic; one man can not fight a dozen all by himself is Mr. Darboe more effective as a party leader outside the court or as a defender in court? Is their no conflict of interest here, what kind of justice is expected from such a scenario and how realistic and justifiable is such an expectation? What justice?
How do you negotiate the rolls of a defender with that of a party leader? It is certain that one can not sit on two chairs at the same time. Secondly, there is no need to give up the party leader position for the defence lawyer position they strengthen each other especially in such needy times.
We are trying to get out of the NADD thing but look at what we get.
Well, it is true, this is crying over spilt milk, but I hope we learn from our mistakes and this case to have a happy ending for all.
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Edited by - Janko on 08 Apr 2010 00:32:08 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 16:43:54
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Maitre Abdoulaye Wadda was a lawyer/party leader/politician and succeed to became President of Senegal.
Yes there is conflict of interests or a very difficult scenario that Lawyer Darboe is facing under present political climate of The Gambia. IS THE GAMBIA CONSTITUTION WORKING WHERE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE, ARBITARY ARRESTS, DETENTIONS, STATE TERRORISM, POLITICAL PERSECUTION & KANGAROO COURTS FOR UNLAWFUL IMPRISONMENT INTER ALIA IS RAMPANT
Who said "WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS N.A.D.D THING" Coming back to conflict of interests with the N.A.D.D Project. When U.D.P/N.R.P conspired and marched out of N.A.D.D, they didn't gave us any convincing explanation or declaration why they cannot work with other opposition parties? If you refer back to Lawyer Darboe's interview why N.A.D.D broke up, saying such things like I advised in not registering N.A.D.D when N.A.D.D was ALL THE OPPOSITION PARTIES & FORCES AGAINST JAMMEH/A.P.R.C AND NOT ANY OF THESE; U.D.P OR N.R.P OR P.D.O.I.S OD N.D.A.M OR P.P.P ETC?
Revisit these quotes from interview and reconcile the conflicts of interests and double standards;
Lawyer Darboe's interview from Bantaba Gambia politics topic [bDarboe Explains Reasons Behind NADDs Failure under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8286
1. EUQUAL REPRESENTATION, EQUAL VOICE & EQUAL PLATFORM "Mr.Ceesay in 2004, all the parties agreed on the need to form an alliance for opposition parties and this need became more urgent and apparent when the constitution was amended by introducing a simple majority for Presidential elections. Hitherto a Presidential candidate would be declared duly elected if he obtains more than 50% of the votes validly cast at the elections. We all felt it made more sense to have an alliance of opposition parties so that we do not have split votes to the opposition. The UDP was very committed to the idea and because of that we agreed to be at par with all other opposition parties. We agreed to have equal representation and equal voice with even an untested party like NDAM,we agreed to have equal voice and equal representation with a party such as PPP which had a committee only in Serrekunda.We also agreed to be at par with PDOIS which did not even poll more than 5% at the 2001 Presidential elections. I know as a fact that non of the leaders of these parties would have accepted this sort of arrangement if they had the political dominance UDP enjoyed. We conducted all the negotiations on the basis of having an alliance of opposition parties."
THE STRATEGY AND TACTICAL REASON FOR ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES TO COMMIT THEM TO N.A.D.D IS APPARENT ABOVE. Having said that THEY TRY TO STATE LEGAL REASONS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AFTERMATH YEARS N.A.D.D became derailed.
2. We did not discuss and agree on the merger of political parties or the creation of new political parties. The opening words of the preamble are We, the undersigned representatives of opposition political parties, who seeked to establish an alliance. Under part one of the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) the alliance was established and article one states an alliance is hereby established. The name of the alliance is National Alliance for Democracy and Development (NADD) with the acronym (NADD).Then article four states amongst other things all opposition parties who are signatories to this MOU shall be founding members of the alliance. The selection of candidate for the alliance for Presidential, National Assembly and Council elections should be by consensus but if there is an impasse then selection must be by Primary election which will be restricted to party delegates and there would be equal member of delegates comprising a chairman and youth leader of every party from village, ward and constituency"
"These are some of the most important provisions in the MOU, what we have opted to do by MOU is to set up an alliance of opposition parties. Obviously the criteria set for the selection of candidates could be met only by the UDP. PDOIS did not have the following to meet the criteria, nor did the PPP or NRP.It was only UDP that had the capacity and following to meet this criteria. It is common knowledge that the MOU was signed in 2005."
UP TO THIS TIME NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH N.A.D.D'S FORMAT AND EVERYTHING WHEN WELL ACCORDING TO HIM.
THEN THE POWER STRUGGLE, DIS-INTEGRATION, DIS-APPOINTMENTS & FAILURE
3."On the 7 February, I tendered my resignation from NADD the political party and indicated that the UDP was committed to the Memorandum of Understanding signed in 2005 and that it would be to the UDP to decide on its continuous membership of the alliance."
i. Apart from Lawyer Darboe U.D.P is never heard
ii. Party-led alliance has never been on the negotiating table Until now I never heard Darboe as party leader or U.D.P demanded it
iii. Party-led alliance is an idea and on the market from some so-called U.D.P online propaganda debaters, spin masters & cyber warriors. I would be happy to hear a declaration from Lawyer Darboe or U.D.P as non-negotiatiable or un-conditional offer
Related to comments above (Lawyer Darboe's interview) from Bantaba Gambian politics topics Discourse With Halifa Sallah [/b] under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8329&whichpage=1 |
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